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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 12 2013 13:38 GMT
#1621
also rayn... please... no fake claim theatrics, ok?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 12 2013 13:46 GMT
#1622
Ok, I thought there was a Mason between you. nvm that.

So you are not telling us on who you have a redcheck? I don't see how that helps us at all. I also don't understand why you didn't push this read on D3.

So a townie is going to die tonight and you are not allowing this guy to filterdive a redcheck. Awesome.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 12 2013 13:49 GMT
#1623
Koshi stop it fucking already. If i have a red check it allows every single person to call them scum. There is not going to be any discussion about anyone. I want people to give their reads.

Also red check is not 100% certain scum, green check is 100% town.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 12 2013 13:57 GMT
#1624
Nope, I totally do not agree with holding back that information. As if we will not lynch that redcheck if it is within Snow, Syl, Umasi. People don't have much time as it is and you take away a GIGANTIC helpful piece of information for the next 9 hours and it will make it easier for people to give their read for the last scum. Instead of being unsure about the last 3 scums.

I do not see any reason for keeping that information secret but spill the fact you have a redcheck. So fucking annoying. What, you hope scum is going to buss each other now because htey are afraid for your check?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 12 2013 13:58 GMT
#1625
It makes 0 sense. 0.

thrawn ask for the check plz.
I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 12 2013 13:59 GMT
#1626
I think Umasi's last post was pretty bad. I'm reading through his filter now.

Sn0_Man is scum lol... I dont feel like that's even up for debate until he at least starts trying
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 12 2013 14:01 GMT
#1627
On November 12 2013 22:58 Koshi wrote:
It makes 0 sense. 0.

thrawn ask for the check plz.


idk, I always defer to letting blues decide what to do and when to claim.. since they're the ones holding the information they probably have a better grasp on the situation than others
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 12 2013 14:01 GMT
#1628
I AM OUTING THE CHECK JUST BEFORE DEADLINE? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT KOSHI?
why are you dumb?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 12 2013 14:04 GMT
#1629
People are posting like 2 times / day either way. I'm sure they can put a bit more effore in the next couple of days and everything does not need to happen in these 9 hours.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 12 2013 14:08 GMT
#1630
On November 12 2013 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I AM OUTING THE CHECK JUST BEFORE DEADLINE? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT KOSHI?
why are you dumb?

I have been reading filters for the entire day now and it simply isn't easy. Look at Vanesco filter for example, he starts with talking about Sylencia, asks the thread for approval for his read in his first post of the game. Then goes null after Sylencia defense, then gives Sylencia a strong townread, get's called out by OO for it, explains his townread. Then Vanesco makes a big list and puts Sylencia as null again....

It's sick how much Vanesco talked about Sylencia on his first page of his filter. I can't believe he talked so much about a scumbuddy.

But then I got to look at Snow/Umasi/Hopeless.

Umasi: Dat buss on Vanesco, they kept going for each other early. 2 times elected for Witch.
Snowman: carefree & clueless. Not pushing a scumagenda, but town seemed pretty bad day 1 & 2 so I guess he didn't need to cause disruptions.
Hopeless: really? I said earlier that ET looked bad but mehhhh, 4 page filter and it isn't that bad tbh. Hopeless looks pretty good even thoug he didn't do too much.

Like really, I have 0 clues. A redcheck would be pretty cool and I do not see how we will not lynch this redcheck D4. As if N3 reads will change that.

Just give the damn check and we can work with more information...
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 12 2013 14:12 GMT
#1631
Umasi is town.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 12 2013 14:12 GMT
#1632
koshi, shut the fuck up and let him reveal when he wants.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 12 2013 14:13 GMT
#1633
No actually this is probably better.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 12 2013 14:13 GMT
#1634
Koshi is right.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 12 2013 14:13 GMT
#1635
On November 12 2013 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Umasi is town.

Ok thx.

Now, look at how Vanesco enters the thread. Look at how much he talks about Sylencia. You think they are both scum?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 12 2013 14:19 GMT
#1636
Ok so what I made earlier this day but didn't post it because it was so controversial. But now with this extra information I just want opinions.

Vanesco filter dive:
The first thing I noticed was Vanesco on Sylencia:
This is how Vanesco enters the thread:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2013 09:50 Vanesco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works?

I don't really like this. You don't really put effort in to even cross-check the players from the last game (of witchcraft) which is really simple to do. The only player to play in the last one is Thrawn who was shot night 1. But I think that is not very relevant since each game can turn out different. I think you should come to your own conclusions on how to play this themed game instead of hoping others tell you how to play. It just seems like your not willing to put the effort in to even try to solve this game for yourself. It's also very dangerous to discuss strategy because scum can see everything also and can use that against town. I'm of the opinion that everybody should play the way THEY think is the correct way to play.

See how Vanesco is really uncertain about this? This doesn't feel like a buss to me it feels more like Vanesco didn't really know how to enter the thread and was asking for approval from the thread about his read. Which is strange stance to take when you enter the thread with a buss.
This is Vanesco follow up, Vanesco puts Sylencia on null here:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2013 11:33 Vanesco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
What do you think of hzflank and his attempt to make plays?
Or Sylencia's response to your attack?


I'm assuming you are talking about this. I like hzflank's analysis since it makes sense to me, but like I mentioned before I do not like really discussing strategy that much since scum can just meta it. Overall it feels like a townny play trying to rally everybody in one general direction.

With Sylencia I can understand being busy and being a little lazy even tho it took me maybe a minute to cross reference people. He even answers himself that unless anybody obs'd last game then there is no answer to his question. So at this moment I have him as a null read.

Later Sylencia is even a strong townread:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 05 2013 02:39 Vanesco wrote:
I don't like how WoS has been only on my case from basically the start of the game and his inconsistencies so far. He even points out to me not to talk about any games still going on but when Echelon does so here in direct response to WoS, he doesn't even mention it. These inconsistencies pop up many times in his play. He keeps on talking about the out I took from him when I even address that it was from Echelon and I disagree with him, yet he persist that it is because of his out. WoS says that "activity is not [his] only defense", however when you are confused why people would put suspicion on you you just say that you think your performance is decent and that you have a large filter. If somebody doesn't agree with your performance (which is why you might be on their scum list) then the only defense that's left is your filter. Overall I am leaning slightly scummy.

I don't really like your reasoning sno_man on the lynch on Onegu. Especially as a Day 1 lynch I think it would not be a wise move just lynching somebody because you have a hard time reading them.

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 12:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
This vanesco thing, I could hardly be less interested in any of the arguments against him. I AM interested in WoS's post and want him to get back to me before the magic wears off.

This is the only thing thrawn has posted that seems relevant so far. It seems like he's not interested in any arguments on me and just goes straight at WoS for his post on me. It seems more like a deflection off of me and onto WoS. Maybe there was something more he wanted to say about WoS but he doesn't really have any useful information apart from the part i quoted above. Yes it was his special day but I do not like what he has contributed in the game so far.

My two strongest town reads in the game so far is Echelon and Sylencia. Echelon has made posts that make sense to me and his response to OO saying that Echelon was going "bat-shit" seems very level headed. I was comfortable with Sylencia's first response to my first post and he has stuck true to everything that he has said from the start of the game.

OO calls him out for those 2 townreads and this is how Vanesco replies:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 05 2013 03:35 Vanesco wrote:
Sure OO. Echelon has stated how he disagrees with the strategy by hz and later on agrees on my point about the strategy that hz posted can be used against town. The strategy post he makes later on I am actually fine with (claiming roles when there are no blue able to be voted in) because at this point scum cannot use the vigi shot against the blues. To me it seems like there is no downside which is why I am fine with that type of strategy post. I also like how he just calms down the argument between hz, WoS, Onegu since it seems like scum would want more useless arguments happening in the game and would have just let it continue. He hasn't really offered much of his reads so far in the game but I do think that what he has done so far seems more in favor of town play then scum play.

As I have mentioned before, after Syl's first response to me I didn't really see anything scummy in it and so I put him back in null.
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 19:28 Sylencia wrote:
Options 1/2 about strategy are fairly weak, as I mentioned above, there are biggest fish to fry than foiling strategies most of the time when playing scum (honestly, if scum timezones dont match up good luck with getting anywhere on that, but that's outside the scope of our investigations anyways), and I would've thought that discussing strategy would be a good thing since we can actually get an agreement on some things we should(n't) do, since we've already seen (from you nonetheless) that there are problems in the reveal at night X+1 strategy. Had we not discussed this, someone could've followed the train of thought that we've discussed and just gone through with it without thinking about the fact that scum can possibly realise they've been voted for again the following day.

This is what makes me lean from null to slightly town. Even tho I show a clear flaw in the plan he still sticks to it and if I'm understanding him correctly, it seems that had I not pointed out the flaw it would have been a greater benefit for town than for scum. Although I disagree with the idea, he doesn't change his case even after evidence has been shown why it might be a bad idea and isn't afraid to stand by his motion.

Everybody that I have not mentioned I have a null read on.

After reading Vanesco his reply, I kinda like the explanation for the ET townread. I believe it to be a "legit" townread. The reason for the Sylencia townread is less convincing but because there is so much fluctuation about Sylencia his allignement early in the game I got to lean town on Sylencia.

This means I have a problem. There has to be 2 scum left and I must say that Sylencia his filter looks so horrible that I need to look at Umasi/Mr. Snowman/Hopeless as last 2 scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 12 2013 14:20 GMT
#1637
I don't think it means anything. He ends up with a null read and even says "i didn't take much of a stance". Then he uses it as a bridge to attack Umasi.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 12 2013 14:23 GMT
#1638
You know who Vanesco reminds me off? Seuss his first reads in ##Mafia.

A good townread on Prome, well thought out.
And then his fake scumread on Oats, flipflopping everywhere.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 12 2013 14:24 GMT
#1639
On November 12 2013 23:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
koshi, shut the fuck up and let him reveal when he wants.

You being aggressive towards me gets old fast. If Sylencia is town you will go to the chopping block m8.
I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 12 2013 14:29 GMT
#1640
lol rayn wtf are you shitting me.. i was just about to press "post" on a post saying otherwise about Umasi.... hmmmm
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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