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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 11 2013 08:19 GMT
#1441
lol the hosts are more active than a few of yall
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 08:28 GMT
#1442
So here's what i think.

Thrawn is probably town. I won't even consider him scum as if he is there is no way to win this game with this activity.
Koshi and Hopeless are also town for what i said in D2 - N2.

From the rest of the people:
One of Umasi/Vanesco is scum. They have been on each others throats all game (although Vanesco tried some weird pushing on Sno based on votes and shit). Umasi looks way better than Vanesco so i would say Van is scum from those two.
One of Cephiro/Sylencia is scum. I highly doubt they could both be scum but i am pretty sure one of them is based purely on process of elimination. Cephiro's witchcraft win announcement on N2 was a really bold move if he was scum, therefore i do think he is town from the pair. Otherwise they look equally bad.
That leaves Snodude as the final scum. I have tried to process different scenarios with different people but anything else does not really make sense to me unless scum have been bussing hard from D1, and i do not think that's the case.

Therefore:
##Vote: Sn0_Man
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 11 2013 08:42 GMT
#1443
ok rayn i have a similar problem. first, i'm going off the assumption that hopeless and koshi are town. there's no way they aren't, they both just got done telling me they literally don't care about the game which they wouldn't have done if they were scum. there's also the election shit. specifically how koshi mentioned the 3 names asking if they were thought of as town, i jjust don't see him trying to pull off something tricky like that. so koshi and hopeless are town and it'd be idiotic to lynch either of them.

van is mafia and i don't doubt that at all. umasi... eh. i suggest you look at his post where he blue claimed and explained his witchcraft votes and actions, it all made sense and didn't look like something he just made up.

so who does that leave? syl, cephiro, sn0, and you lol. what really sucks is that i have a hard time believing that sn0 is scum, i have a hard time believing that you are scum, and i have a hard time believing that both cehp and syl are scum. I think the easiest of those to swallow is sn0man being scum but shit, i really just dont see it.

why dont you want to lynch vanesco?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 11 2013 08:44 GMT
#1444
if only syl ceph and sn0man would just play the game this would be so much fucking easier
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 08:46 GMT
#1445
I can lynch Vanesco and i will vote for him if we are not lynching Sno. What makes you think Sno is town?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 11 2013 08:48 GMT
#1446
oh yeah, i forgot about cephiro claiming way back.... hm. fuck lol. i really hope i haven't been wrong all game about sn0man. I still think van's the safer bet, go read his filter. look how fucking fake everything looks!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 08:49 GMT
#1447
And yeah, maybe i didn't make it clear enough, but there is very little chance Umasi is scum and Vanesco is not. It is just that i don't have such a strong townread on Umasi than i do with you three (who i mentioned first in my post).
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 11 2013 08:50 GMT
#1448
On November 11 2013 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can lynch Vanesco and i will vote for him if we are not lynching Sno. What makes you think Sno is town?


it all comes down to his carefree posting. to be fair this is something I mentioned at the start of the game so it'd be easy for scum sno to pick up on that and roll with it the rest of the game
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 08:51 GMT
#1449
Okay i'm gonna make some coffee then go to read Vanesco's filter and his other games.
I basically had a town read on him because he attacked me early on in the game, i don't really see scum doing that with reasoning he gave. Given what i usually do (or what i've done in my games) that would be a suicide to do what he did. :p
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 08:52 GMT
#1450
On November 11 2013 17:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can lynch Vanesco and i will vote for him if we are not lynching Sno. What makes you think Sno is town?


it all comes down to his carefree posting. to be fair this is something I mentioned at the start of the game so it'd be easy for scum sno to pick up on that and roll with it the rest of the game

I better look into Sno's scumgames aswell.. I agree with the carefree thing, but i do not agree that makes someone town. Different people post differently and that's not an universal scum/town tell imo.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 11 2013 08:54 GMT
#1451
he doesnt have scum games, only 1 that he replaced into back in his newbies

this would be his first scum game which makes the case for him being town even stronger.

hey you know what? we could figure this out if he would fucking post
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 11 2013 08:55 GMT
#1452
actually fuck it. vanseco/sylencia/sn0man is my final answer. everything other than that is very unlikely
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 08:56 GMT
#1453
Well his contirbutions are nowhere near his contributions in Hogwarts. He did play really well in Hogwarts and i can't really tell about other games because i do honestly believe he has played "worse" in them because of his anger towards me in those games has taken like 80% of his time.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 11 2013 08:58 GMT
#1454
yeah... it's entirely possible that sn0man has been putting on the "idgaf" face in order to not have to say anything, because he doesn't know what to say, because it's his first scum game and that shit's hard
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 09:09 GMT
#1455
Going through Vanesco right now.
Vanesco, how much mafia have you played? Live or forum mafia?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 11 2013 09:16 GMT
#1456
rayn, what do you think about this post... i found it very interesting to read this post thinking about the possibility of both van and sn0 being scum. it's like vanesco is telling us exactly why OO died

On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote:
This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target?

So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill.

OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO.

##Vote: Sn0_Man

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 09:23 GMT
#1457
The interesting part in that post is the fact that from what i remember OO was hardly going after EchelonTee with me. From any point those points about Sno make very little sense to me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 09:24 GMT
#1458
EBWOP: i mean OO was probably going to push ET hard on D2. Wording might give the opposite feeling about what i meant. :p
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 09:27 GMT
#1459
So Vanesco's play on D1 looks really good to me.. meh..
After that it doesn't look so good any more. Like, i can understand his thought process and it even makes sense but his overall play has been much much worse in terms of quality of content.

Vanesco make a case on your top scumread and give reads on all other people when you next come back. Also explain why do i feel like you were trying very hard to find scum on D1 and why have you basically given up on that after N1?

Until then:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Vanesco
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2013 09:49 GMT
#1460
This is what bothers me on Sno.
1) I need to see who votes for what wagon when people flip. Thats integral to how I find scum.

Need 3 more votes to lynch. I do not believe that a no-lynch benefits town and as such PLEASE VOTE PEOPLE.

He never follows up what he says on D1. There is no voting analysis which he claims to be his way of playing. Nothing.
Then he comes up with this on N1:
On November 07 2013 04:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Im around but I'm (as you can see) not posting much atm. This game is disheartening considering I'm somehow "scummy" and pointing out things that others do when I consider them scummy somehow is an excuse for OO to be an insulting asshole.

I dont know what the hell we are gonna do about cephiro, but he's playing much more town-aligned than last game (may have to do with him having a weird ass role last game). Lynching him doesn't seem smart atm.

ET seems pretty town not sure why people wish to lynch him.

Rayn is playing very different but afaik its different from anything he's done before as scum or town and I'm OK with his train of thought. Not his conclusions but he feels reasonably town too.

Umasi/Vanesco/HzFlank are all pretty null, i have no kinda "ins" to read these guys so far. Onegu kinda fits this category too, but I'd rather lynch him than the others I think.

Syl I don't like. Mostly because him and OO have hard-buddied. Not that I'd expect them to do that as scum, but they haven't even been a little bit suspicious of each other despite said buddying. Generally somebody attempting to buddy me makes me very suspicious (at least when I feel like I'm obvtown). Syl's scumgames often include real effort at the start with long, very "effort-y" posts put in at fairly regular intervals so I'm gonna keep my eye on him. Then again i've Mislynched Syl for dumb shit too. He's on the scum side of null, along with OO.

WoS is hard for me this game. Half the time he sounds like he's thinking the game and obvtown. Then the other half his posts just rub me the wrong way. I've played a fair few games with (always rolls town) WoS and something feels off, dunno. Don't think we lynch him soon either but I can't just give him the townread I've given others (ET/Thrawn etc).

Thats like everybody relevant I think.

I'm willing to discuss stuff with ppl but I'm currently 100% unwilling to interact with OO due to how he's played so far. My scumread on him hinges on his mindset towards the game: All he cares about is people's perception of him and that they see him as conftown. He doesn't actually care to play well, just to appear good. My unwillingness to interact with him is completely separate from that, though it probably clouds my vision somewhat.

I do not think these reads are very strong. Everything is just "this guy could be scum" or "i could lynch this guy". For fucking what?

Here is another contradiction:
On November 07 2013 05:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
This feels like rayn from the end of that game to me. Or close enough that I'm giving him a pass for now. I always give rayn a hard look at mid-game, which is still the plan, but at the start like this I disagree that he looks scummy.

He does never do this. I am amongst the most active people in this game. Even if there is nothing else to go on with, this could be done because i have actually provided content. Snodude never takes this "hard look" on me. A way to say "i can't read this guy yet -> i'll do that later on" to have an excuse for not trying to read someone and never following it up.

This was really weird:
On November 08 2013 03:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Errybody's afk or something.

It is possible that OO died from silver bullet and that the actual NK was either roleblocked (as it is personally delivered not factional) or Doctored. Either way, I'm interested to know if people voted for OO to be witchcrafted (Since he is dead there is no drawback to people admitting they voted him).

I, personally, did not vote him (for obvious reasons) but I'm aware he had townreads from some/many.

Part of the reason I bring this up is that I would have expected scum to spend AT LEAST 1 silver bullet last night. The rewards for killing the blues BEFORE their actions occur seem too high to pass up considering the limited amount of people I'd expect to get votes. If OO was indeed killed by silver bullet, some blue role would like VERY much to know that as they know their save hit town for example (Or their RB hit scum).

On November 08 2013 03:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well scum have 2, also the silver bullet resolves at the end of the "Phase" which means if fired at night it resolves with the daypost (as we saw).

Discussing who voted for OO is pretty safe IMO, since scum know if he was blue or if he died to their NK anyway. Admittedly if they NK'd him they don't know if he was blue. Okay maybe we talk about it after this lynch?

I ahve no idea what anything in this post is supposed to achieve other than bluehunting.....

Then he makes a big case on WoS, followed by not voting for him?!?!?!?

And then there is nothing.


I really do think Sno is better lynch than Vanesco, but here's what we gonna do:
Snodude and Vanesco, both of you need to make a case on your top scumread and give reads on all other people. The one who fails to do so gets lynched. If you both fail to do so we lynch you both on D3 and D4. If you both succeed in writing what's asked we re-evaluate the lynch.

Right now you both look terribad.


thrawn whaddya think?
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