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I'm rereading entire thread. And its making me want to re-think my acceptance of rayn's claim.
Not that I'm thinking he's scum but posts like
On November 05 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO and thrawn look the worst atm.
Sylencia i don't think Vanesco is scum.
put a seed of doubt in me.
YES IT WAS EARLY D1 but to be so utterly wrong...  (there was a bit more vanesco buddying too)
Now I gotta figure out if the night actions could possibly involve scum rayn. Intuition says no still.
For now I'm believing rayns claim but when I get to the night-action claims I'll be re-examining I think.
For those who are gonna flame me for shit-flinging without a case or vote: Don't care what you say. I'm re-reading and posting what I find. When I get to the end I hope to have figured out at least 1 scum for sure. As far as I'm concerned the rayn claim is central to that because it solves 2 people.
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I thought umasi tracked some1 (syl maybe?) and got nothing, and rayn checked umasi?
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Hmmm, so far EITHER rayn OR ET (now hopeless) are scum. I'm leaning towards ET. He had a few posts that made me think he's town but he buddied vanesco (sharing his reads etc) while still distancing with reads like "null to slightly scummy". Plus he was a key OO scumread (OO disliked him and vanesco, as well as me and ceph).
He spent the early game pushing thrawn really hard (with vanesco helping), had a big case post followed by "come at me if u dislike my case" kind of bluff. Rayn wrote a case on HIM in return and ET said "Fine fine my case is shit. That doesn't make me scum lol". -_-. He was pretty adamant that the people he would lynch were me and thrawn, and that people voting others were wasting their votes. But he slid onto the Hzflank and later gumshoe lynches pretty smoothly. I'm at the start of D2 and rayn and thrawn both have big scumreads on ET which is helping.
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Independent of anything rayn says or does, Umasi is pretty solidly town to me due to posts like
+ Show Spoiler +On November 08 2013 11:23 Umasi wrote:so I think that onegu is town, purely by feel, and would rather see votes on other people. I had a good feeling about hz at the end of d1, but since then it's been *shrug*, will keep relatively close track of koshi. Kinda leery of hopeless/et atm, but not that much. Not sure about rayn, but there are other people I prefer to lynch. I have sylencia as town still, but I've kind of slept on him for a while. I still like a vanesco lynch, can we lynch him? Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 17:18 Vanesco wrote:
After me trying to ask why people decided to vote on gumshoe in the last few minutes of the day I only got 2 responses (by thrawn and rayn). Mostly everybody else has been kinda lurking up to this point and still hasn't given a reason for their vote on gumshoe. I still believe that most likely that scum was involved in the vote since i don't think 7/9 townies would instantly change their vote which is why the reasons for switching your votes is really important in my opinion.
Out of the 7 who voted on gumshoe I feel like the most scummy are umasi and sno_man.
For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there is because I do not think he is as scummy as I did last time. Ever since night 1 he has been posting well in my opinion. Another reason why is because of what I found suspicious at first, that he kinda deflected off of hzflank and started the vote on gumshoe. The more I think of it it makes me lean more town on him each time.
The argument still stands if they are both scum, but it would have been a big risk to take, but still a possibility. I don't see the scenario working if thrawn was scum and hzflank was town, that he would poke his head so far out to vote on gumshoe when all that was needed was 1 more vote on hzflank. And if thrawn is town, regardless of hzflanks alignment, he thought that gumshoe was a better vote as explained in his reasoning. He says that he thinks both sno and I are scummy, but doesn't pursue it at all, he just addresses why thrawn ISN'T listed. feels like he was throwing something out there to throw something out there. Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 17:27 Vanesco wrote:
I'm also disliking all of this meta talk. While meta is good as a guideline I think people are going to much in this line of talk "well since he plays like this and this game he is playing slightly differently then he obviously must be the opposite role he was last game". Some meta talk is fine but some pages are just filled with mostly meta talk. What about some game related topics like the votes, OO's death at night and any suspicions he had on people and any people he put in the town zone. It seems many people are ignoring these greatly and if we do so then it puts town almost back into the same position as it was in day 1 with some extra reads and 2 townies dead. 'I dislike meta talk' proceeds to talk about meta ##vote: vanesco
This was long before vanesco had a chance at being lynched and while scum can definitely bus, I just don't see this coming from scum!Umasi. Too many other easy targets, and ALL his posts feel far too genuine.
So even if I doubt rayn, Umasi still town.
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Shameless self-plug
On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote:
This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target?
So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill.
OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO.
##Vote: Sn0_Man
Early D2. Hopeless jumped on not much later.
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On November 13 2013 04:37 Koshi wrote:
Will you be here around deadline snow?
I'm here for the next 3 hours, so past deadline yes
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Still reading buuuuuut I'm not leaning scum on Syl right now. All his posts so forgettable or something
I'm pretty much ignoring your post re: koshi till daytime.
AFAIK one of syl and koshi are scum, along with one of rayn and ET/Hopeless though. Right now I'm thinking hopeless as mentioned above but that could easily be confirmation bias. Rayn's play this game pretty disgusting if town. Considering he's claiming to be playing "for end-game cred" he's been CONSISTENTLY wrong so far about essentially everything (approaching d2 lynch). Except Umasi town, he's right about that lel.
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I skimmed d3 earlier.
I'm properly reading it now.
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Yeah u changed avatar now we can't be Templar friends
I wasn't leaning scum on syl because there wasn't memorably scummy things in them. Syl is part of a large group of people who play very forgettably as town or scum as far as I can tell (Umasi too only he's town this game).
Syl went kinda pants on head D3 though. Is calling the towniest person in the thread scum intelligent as either alignment? I'd argue not...
How'd I come through all that without a certain scum? ugh. Still working on it or something.
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He's not such an enigma he just hardly registered when you read his posts. Umasi's the same only his posts are calling for a vanesco lynch consistently from day 1 (contrary to every other person in the thread) so that sticks out as vanesco's the only flipped scum.
How does "If i could suicide without getting banned for it" count as genuine? Because scum would never say something like that safe and secure in the knowledge that it can't happen... owait.
See, I'd probably be glad to do the same (depending on the results of tonights actions since we may still have a mislynch available to us in which case me suiciding isn't smart at all). Wheres my free towncred?
I don't even get how when hopeless subbed in he was your prime scumread (start of d2), then he hasn't posted anything at all that could be construed as scumhunting (the best he's got is SHEEPING VANESCO and voting me), and now he is "probably not scum". If you read hopeless filter (nice and short) all it is is a bunch of berating town ("WoS gg post so bad omg" etc plus "well towns fucking terrible too bad oh well you cant blame me since nobody else is trying I dont have to either"). He threw suspicion at Ceph and Umasi (town X2) before the vanesco flip. His filter is just garbage. Yet somehow he's townier than me.
Meanwhile I've been the only person Vanesco was seriously willing to call scum for practically the entire game, clearly that makes me scum.
You'll notice in Hogwarts where i was confirmed town the entire game I still couldn't nail down scum until I was NK'd. I'm just not good at that shit.
Anyway i'll read just syl so that I can actually focus on his posts or somethign.
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Thoughts on a player changing = obvscum. This from the single most flip-flopping player in the thread (ur reads on essentially every player have 180'd at least once). Note how I'm not calling you scum for it. b
Yo yesterday syl seemed like a good lynch.
Today I reread the entire fuckign thread and syl simply wasn't obvious when I mentioned I was focusing on rayn and hopeless/et (as well as vanesco since he flipped scum).
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On November 13 2013 05:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but how do you "forget" about your main d3 scumread? when you say his posts are forgettable you're implying that you cant really remember what he's said. how could you have had a scumread on him during D3 if you've been ignoring him?
I had scumreads d3? this is news to me. I barely managed to skim the thread lol. When I wrote that post I thought that syl was probably a better lynch than vanesco, based on skim.
On November 13 2013 06:00 Koshi wrote:
Snowman, how do you feel about rayn as scum giving us a "free" townread in Umasi.
Seems like a reasonable play as either alignment considering Umasi's obviously town... I considered how it would reflect on rayn and I've decided it doesn't help read him at all.
In other news I read Syl and I don't see evidence for him being scum. I don't see any for him being town either though, its kinda messed up. Tunnelling Cephiro ALL GAME LONG seemed reasonable as either alignment. The swap onto "RAYN AND THRAWN SCUM HUEHUEHUE" seems equally dumb as either alignment. This games dum.
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I'm not sure what you are saying. All I'm saying is that if I were scum I don't think it would be possible to push an Umasi mislynch because even cursory examination of his filter exonerates him (despite him playing the kinda lurky blendy game that keeps him below mention most of the time) due to his interactions with vanesco and overall genuine tone. So I fail to see how scum!rayn (who would have to fake his night action) faking that he checked Umasi and got town is something that couldn't happen. That is to say, if I'm rayn and scum and get elected n2 and need to fake an action, green checking Umasi may not be my first choice but I think its within the realm of reasonable.
I'm not calling rayn scum for it. Its a purely null point to me.
I'm still not calling rayn scum at all. But he isn't at conftown to me. Close, but not there.
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Well koshi was indeed town.
People seem to disagree, but at 4:2 the correct play here is to no-lynch. Barring that, Koshi's death means that syl and hopeless are both almost certainly scum.
Last night's blue role CAN SAFELY CLAIM NOW since dying to silver bullet merely removes our no-lynch option, which is IMO worth less than a check would be. Plus you will be alive all day today and have a lynch vote.
If the blue role claims, no-lynch is no longer an option. Actually, no-lynch seems scary now that I think about a blue-vig possibility.
OK. no no-lynch after all.
##Vote: Hopeless1der
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okay guys a) none of you can justify a scumread on me beyond "hasn't caught scum" whereas i'm provably town (read vanesco).
We lose if you lynch me.
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PS Theres 0 fucking way koshi is shot if i'm scum I think.
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Every post i've made has been legit. Nobody reads them though because you all have scumreads on me for no fucking reason. The fact that I haven't solved the game 100% is PROOF IM FUCKING TOWN since we are at MYLO if i'm scum I just ahve to commit to 1 mislynch and win.
READ
VANESCO
PLEASE
PPS: i voted thrawn for blue last night. Blue can claim see my above post. If you did soem retard shit like hiding then fuck you how's that help solve the game.
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I want to lynch Hopeless and Syl. I don't really care which since they are both scum. Rayn could be (that suspicion keeps getting stronger) but I'm ignoring that since even if he is there must be another scum out there.
Literally nobody else can be scum (I have a green pm, you can't be scum, thats the entire thread). The only good reasons I have for them to be scum (apart from EchelonTee and vanesco tag-teaming shit like pushing you day 1, voting me d2, etc) is process of elimination.
Any point you can put on me (too lazy to scumhunt) applies to hopeless in fucking spades. Syl has been off in lala land all game apparently thats more townie than having fun with the game d1, doing my best to discuss onegu day 2, actually voting for scum d3, etc...
You guys are all so out of touch because scum kept whispering "sno is scum" in the thread till people believed it for NO REASON. Koshi himself said (and he's conftown) that I afk most weekends you can't lynch me for that. Note how he got killed because Koshi was the single person most against my lynch in the whole thread.
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PS by scum whispering that I mean Onegu and ET/Hopeless unless that isn't clear.
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Next game imma rng all my reads since making no sense is a clear towntell these days based on syl.
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