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On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote: Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk? onegu TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn? As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)? Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either.. That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu? Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta. The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.
How is this anywhere close to what is going on THIS game?
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On November 07 2013 17:18 Vanesco wrote: After me trying to ask why people decided to vote on gumshoe in the last few minutes of the day I only got 2 responses (by thrawn and rayn). Mostly everybody else has been kinda lurking up to this point and still hasn't given a reason for their vote on gumshoe. I still believe that most likely that scum was involved in the vote since i don't think 7/9 townies would instantly change their vote which is why the reasons for switching your votes is really important in my opinion.
Out of the 7 who voted on gumshoe I feel like the most scummy are umasi and sno_man.
For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there is because I do not think he is as scummy as I did last time. Ever since night 1 he has been posting well in my opinion. Another reason why is because of what I found suspicious at first, that he kinda deflected off of hzflank and started the vote on gumshoe. The more I think of it it makes me lean more town on him each time.
The argument still stands if they are both scum, but it would have been a big risk to take, but still a possibility. I don't see the scenario working if thrawn was scum and hzflank was town, that he would poke his head so far out to vote on gumshoe when all that was needed was 1 more vote on hzflank. And if thrawn is town, regardless of hzflanks alignment, he thought that gumshoe was a better vote as explained in his reasoning.
Thrawn was the first gumshoe cote but not the first to suggest it as a opposite wagon to hzflank, and that person was rayn.
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On November 06 2013 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is therea case on hz because i can't find it. And if we need to "consolidate" 20 hours before the lynch and the defences to cases after that will be "you are not going to get me lynched because look, there are no votes on me" this game will be really shit.
On November 06 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am going to vote for hzflank most likely but this is bullshit, at least if he flips town.
On November 06 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: so why are we lynching hzflank over gumshoe?
Scumteam
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On November 07 2013 17:46 thrawn2112 wrote: Onegu I have a question. What do you think about rayn's actions during the lynch change if hzflank is town? Then they become null. Maybe slightly townie and I eat my hat.
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On November 07 2013 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 17:52 Onegu wrote:On November 07 2013 17:46 thrawn2112 wrote: Onegu I have a question. What do you think about rayn's actions during the lynch change if hzflank is town? Then they become null. Maybe slightly townie and I eat my hat. Pretend hzflank somehow flips green right now. Do you keep your vote on rayn on not?
No my vote would then go to sn0
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That wouldnt matter rayn is connected to hz but not the other way around. Hz is still scummy without rayn saveing him.
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Because Im 85~% sure they are both scum and want to get rid of the dangerous one first.
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On November 07 2013 18:55 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 18:49 Onegu wrote: Because Im 85~% sure they are both scum and want to get rid of the dangerous one first. and there is no way for me to verify this because you never said you thought rayn was scum until you voted for him. the only reasoning you gave in that post was that thought he was saving hzflank, which doesn't count as reasoning because it could be applied to so many other people just as senselessly. and this is after talking about hzflank all game long. it just doesn't make for a believable story.
Completely understandable. My vote stays on rayn today most likely. Ill look for final scum after Im back from the mall tonight and find the third scum player. Guessing its sn0 or possible hopeless atm.
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On November 07 2013 21:14 Sylencia wrote: I heard in White Flag the scum team threw themselves to try save their teammate. I don't think a repeat of that happened. The case he presented doesn't really have anythign else to it. Thing is, I don't think scum Onegu is that lazy when it comes to making cases..
Yeah this is terrible, I was uber lazy in hogwarts.
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On November 08 2013 12:03 thrawn2112 wrote: If he really thought he was going to be lynched and decided to self vote to speed along that process to "help town" as he claimed, he was giving up way too early and for too little reason. Self voting when you know your going to be afk the rest of the lynch is helping town? If you read the thread around where he self voted you see he does it right after people start voting for me and thread sentiment does not indicate that there's enough reason for him to react so crazily.
Except I had to I knew I wouldnt be around. At the time I selfvoted I had two votes and at least 3 other people say they were fine with my lynch, with my vote that was one short of majority.
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On November 08 2013 05:16 Koshi wrote: Cephiro Sn0_Man Rayn
Are these 3 guys considered town?
Nope, there is like nobody in this game everyone agrees is town
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On November 08 2013 05:15 Koshi wrote: Well. I am a man of God normally. But I rolled Acolyte this game. True Story. Hand to God.
If you are godfather...
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And WoS rayn hasnt really done anything at all today, how does that change your opinion?
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On November 08 2013 03:55 Sn0_Man wrote: Barring shenannies I usually expect my strongest townread to die every night. When they dont, (and instead its somebody I thought was pretty scummy) Alarm bells go off. I must not be thinking this game right. My solution to that would be if OO was a blue shot, then my reads can still be somewhat reasonable.
W/e, discussing it with u isn't helping I don't think.
This post is really wierd to me, maybe its because thats not how I choose my night 1 shot as scum. And to go along with this he keeps calling for people to share blue votes.
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@Koshi
Are you caught up? Have you read hz? What are your thoughts on the person you replaced?
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On November 08 2013 14:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:WoS i liked your post on Sn0, it's nearly the exact thoughts i had when i read those posts. He hasn't been saying much, there are people being discussed (me/Onegu/Syl/Hopeless/etc..) and he comes in with "hmm doods, why was OO hit?" and says pretty much nothing at all. Onegu me doing nothing is bullshit. I have done the most today maybe barring thrawn, last night there was nothing to talk about because noone was here. At that point i had said everything there was to say for me. Why are you trying to continuously make me look bad for something that's not there? Feels like you have just decided i am scum and the go find reasons why could i be scum. Vote stands. Sylencia looks worse. I liked his D1 but not his D2 the slightest. I can't possibly understand he has played scum with Onegu just a while ago and that's all he has to say about him. Still waiting for hopeless to catch up. If he doesn't i will seriously consider him for a lynch. Same with Cephiro. I liked this from Umasi: Show nested quote +I think it's actually patently absurd that someone can be so anti-WoS. Just as an aside. Koshiiiiiii <3<3<3<3 Also Koshi, i hope you catch up today, hzflank wasn't looking too dandy and you didn't really help your slot with your posts yet.
Yeah this is basicly true, I have decided you are scum. Again most of my reads are based off of feel, so it is difficult for me to convince town I am right, which alot of the time I am (ie P4).
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Also in the above post it looks like you know I am town and am fustrated I am tunneling you with little evidence. Since the wording I have decided you are scum, comes from someone who you would think is town.
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Again I have mostly agrred with sylencias train of thought especially day one, he hasnt been that active but I still put him in my town catagory as of now. This coupled with the OO interactions led me to believe he is town.
Sn0 is my current guess on the third scum, over Hopeless at the moment. ET posting looks completely different from hogwarts and you can follow a logical progression from him. The thing that makes ET/hopeless so bad imo is because that is who OO was planning on pushing before he died.
But in OO list of scum sn0 and hzflank were in it.
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