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On November 05 2013 10:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
I promise to talk about onegu or whoever if you'll talk about rayn?
Do you think that town rayn is likely to display the apathy he's showing if he truly thought he'd caught me lying? He hasn't done a single thing this game that's made me think he's town and the way he's passively gone after me all game does not match up to what I remember him doing the last time a town rayn thought I was mafia. Why will you not vote him D1? If you think he's going to be lazy this game why do you want to keep him around?
WoS my town circle posts were pretty sarcastic although they accurately describe my reads.
The scum Rayn I remember would be more likely to push for your lynch in some way than what I'm seeing here, considering his opinion from my interpretation of the game state is an unpopular one. You could pin him for not really thinking about the game or participating very much but it's early and from what I'm seeing he's not going out of his way to interact with his scum buddies in the thread which is another thing I expect of scum Rayn. Basically his apathy right now, for D1, and I'll have to reformulate my opinion about him later, is that he's more likely town than scum. Unless his partners are in the inactives and shit but again that's a problem for later.
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On November 05 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
I think that what we have here is the elusive Sober Rayn.
Preferable to the out-of-cigarettes Rayn.
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On November 05 2013 10:46 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:43 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 10:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
I promise to talk about onegu or whoever if you'll talk about rayn?
Do you think that town rayn is likely to display the apathy he's showing if he truly thought he'd caught me lying? He hasn't done a single thing this game that's made me think he's town and the way he's passively gone after me all game does not match up to what I remember him doing the last time a town rayn thought I was mafia. Why will you not vote him D1? If you think he's going to be lazy this game why do you want to keep him around?
WoS my town circle posts were pretty sarcastic although they accurately describe my reads. The scum Rayn I remember would be more likely to push for your lynch in some way than what I'm seeing here, considering his opinion from my interpretation of the game state is an unpopular one. You could pin him for not really thinking about the game or participating very much but it's early and from what I'm seeing he's not going out of his way to interact with his scum buddies in the thread which is another thing I expect of scum Rayn. Basically his apathy right now, for D1, and I'll have to reformulate my opinion about him later, is that he's more likely town than scum. Unless his partners are in the inactives and shit but again that's a problem for later. So you're saying that his play here doesn't look like his scum play? I have been saying that this doesn't look like town rayn and I think both of us are right. So throw all the meta out the window and judge his play based on this game only, you still think he's townie?
Not particularly swayed either way which is an uncomfortable position given that (before he stopped being spammy, which seems to be the case) I generally would end up with a scum read on him most games for either alignment. That cut-down on spam has the unfortunate consequence of giving me less to go on.
So if you're asking about what he's got in the thread so far right now, the fact that he said "thrawn and OO look the worst" is perplexing as fuck. I guess I ended up on that list because of a mis-communication on my part which seems to be resolved, but I disagree that you are the worst looking in the game. I'm having trouble pinning down exactly what it is that is the basis for his scum read on you, but if it's from the list post, he's accusing you of not making much sense? So that's pretty dumb. He's not picked up any other torch either, not even sheeping... fuck. Null, leaning scummy, but not more so than Sno or gumshoe IMO. His effective contributions are just above mod-kill level, rofl.
Shape it up Rayn.
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On November 05 2013 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:44 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
I think that what we have here is the elusive Sober Rayn. Preferable to the out-of-cigarettes Rayn. If you read the last page of my filter.. I was not lying regardless of my alignment.
I thought this was a drunk posting joke. I'm all about dae jokesen.
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On November 05 2013 10:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn is asking stupid stuff and his interaction with WoS early on was really weird. Also he misses stuff he should not miss imo.
After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too..
Was your cutting back on spamming in general a tactical move to improve your play (deliberate choice) or just a side effect of other committments?
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On November 05 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:54 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2013 10:44 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
I think that what we have here is the elusive Sober Rayn. Preferable to the out-of-cigarettes Rayn. If you read the last page of my filter.. I was not lying regardless of my alignment. I thought this was a drunk posting joke. I'm all about dae jokesen. No i really mean it - read my last page of filter from ## game if you are curious.
Oh found it:
On November 04 2013 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Starting from this game i will get mislynhed as town, probably a lot, because i will intentionally start playing worse.
I understand now what Vayne said in some game, when he said he does not give a shit if his target gets lynched or not, he just careas about if he is right or not in his reads. That's the approach i am going to take in these games from now on, as the convincing other people part has never worked with me. Expect unbelieveably bad and lurky play from me now on, even when i am confident i am right.
Okay. That's a what, genuinely curious about the why.
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Well, I'm sure you'll find a happy medium or something where you'll be open and shit for certain periods of the day and not worry about phone posting or mobile playing because let's be honest, mafia isn't a job. I just don't think emulating the behaviors of a downtrodden newbie is going to help the towns / scum teams you are a part of and I'm hoping you're town here and can find it in your heart to tell me two more people who are scummy just for a basis of your mindset. Thanks bbycakes.
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On November 05 2013 11:18 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not reading Cephiro's post because even if WoS is scum i can assure you 90% of that post does not make WoS scum. Even if you think that you should read it even for the 10%. I admit there may be points (especially later on the case), where I am simply so sure in my read that they are a bit biased. If you honestly think WoS is not scum and my case is horrible, then point it out. That's why I posted it. I want people to look at it and see my reasoning why I think WoS is scum. If you agree, great, let's lynch WoS and hope that I'm right. If you don't agree, either tell me the flaws of my reasoning or provide me with a better target. Preferably not the latter one, as at least half of the players in this game currently can be made a "wishywashycase" off. Almost no-one seems to commit...
You wrote the word bus in a game with unflipped players holy fuck I stopped reading there.
---> Scum is under constant pressure, scum is also more likely to be inconsistent. Especially later in the game when you may able to force them into a situation where they are forced to choose the lesser of the two evils. Reactions in those moments tell a ton.
I won Smurf Mini as mafia (MAD PROPS TO MY HOME BOY BLAZINGHAND AKA SIR ECCLESTON THE AWESOME) by building a house of cards and remaining as consistent as possible throughout the entire game. I essentially knew how I was getting to end game by the end of D3. So your generalities doesn't hold much weight with me. Tell me specific generalities about WoS scum meta and how they relate to his play here, not just general stuff and how it applies to WoS.
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On November 05 2013 11:26 gumshoe wrote:
Ooh sorry that post earlier was meant as a response to Rayne XD. Cephiro what I got out of your Great Wall of china post is that I think your town, that level of investment and consideration from you and ironically WOS to a lesser degree makes it hard for me to consider either of you as scum. Your arguments are solid, but there's a bit of confirmation bias there, ie it seems like you saw a few shitty things there and are now viewing all his posts in red. Ask me to make a case on anyone here, I can and will because narrative is a powerful tool that binds both fact and fiction and it's quite easy to conjure up. A good narrative can also be self deceiving ) : I've learnt that just this Saturday in fact : p. Wos actions, which he himself has admitted have been somewhat shifty, are enough to make him 15 percent mafia in my eyes, higher than normal, but not yet worth the risk of his deaths blowback and the absence of his voice, which may yet be crucial in securing votes at the very least..
I suggest rather taking a gander at the rats that scurried out right after my case, sno oo and onegu, what do you feel regarding them? Oh and sorry all if my posting quality will be lower tonight, phones are hard.
Rats? Reals?
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On November 05 2013 11:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 11:26 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 11:18 Cephiro wrote:On November 05 2013 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not reading Cephiro's post because even if WoS is scum i can assure you 90% of that post does not make WoS scum. Even if you think that you should read it even for the 10%. I admit there may be points (especially later on the case), where I am simply so sure in my read that they are a bit biased. If you honestly think WoS is not scum and my case is horrible, then point it out. That's why I posted it. I want people to look at it and see my reasoning why I think WoS is scum. If you agree, great, let's lynch WoS and hope that I'm right. If you don't agree, either tell me the flaws of my reasoning or provide me with a better target. Preferably not the latter one, as at least half of the players in this game currently can be made a "wishywashycase" off. Almost no-one seems to commit... You wrote the word bus in a game with unflipped players holy fuck I stopped reading there. ---> Scum is under constant pressure, scum is also more likely to be inconsistent. Especially later in the game when you may able to force them into a situation where they are forced to choose the lesser of the two evils. Reactions in those moments tell a ton. I won Smurf Mini as mafia (MAD PROPS TO MY HOME BOY BLAZINGHAND AKA SIR ECCLESTON THE AWESOME) by building a house of cards and remaining as consistent as possible throughout the entire game. I essentially knew how I was getting to end game by the end of D3. So your generalities doesn't hold much weight with me. Tell me specific generalities about WoS scum meta and how they relate to his play here, not just general stuff and how it applies to WoS. I wanna lynch you so bad it hurts T-T
Wow
So Doge
Such lol
Much reciprocation
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On November 05 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 11:29 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 11:28 gumshoe wrote:On November 05 2013 11:26 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 11:18 Cephiro wrote:On November 05 2013 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not reading Cephiro's post because even if WoS is scum i can assure you 90% of that post does not make WoS scum. Even if you think that you should read it even for the 10%. I admit there may be points (especially later on the case), where I am simply so sure in my read that they are a bit biased. If you honestly think WoS is not scum and my case is horrible, then point it out. That's why I posted it. I want people to look at it and see my reasoning why I think WoS is scum. If you agree, great, let's lynch WoS and hope that I'm right. If you don't agree, either tell me the flaws of my reasoning or provide me with a better target. Preferably not the latter one, as at least half of the players in this game currently can be made a "wishywashycase" off. Almost no-one seems to commit... You wrote the word bus in a game with unflipped players holy fuck I stopped reading there. ---> Scum is under constant pressure, scum is also more likely to be inconsistent. Especially later in the game when you may able to force them into a situation where they are forced to choose the lesser of the two evils. Reactions in those moments tell a ton. I won Smurf Mini as mafia (MAD PROPS TO MY HOME BOY BLAZINGHAND AKA SIR ECCLESTON THE AWESOME) by building a house of cards and remaining as consistent as possible throughout the entire game. I essentially knew how I was getting to end game by the end of D3. So your generalities doesn't hold much weight with me. Tell me specific generalities about WoS scum meta and how they relate to his play here, not just general stuff and how it applies to WoS. I wanna lynch you so bad it hurts T-T Wow So Doge Such lol Much reciprocation Your posting makes me want to growl at my dog, I love my dog ) : why are you doing this to me.
We should discuss my scum read and yours with one another in such a way that I don't want to start posting gifs. You can start by not insinuating I am scum without ample reasoning and extrapolating your scum suspects with some general bullet points as well as your thoughts on Sn0 who I intend to lynch today.
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The points against Sn0_Man
-- Avoids committing to anything except what seems to be a WoS scum read, even that isn't particularly committed.
On November 05 2013 03:39 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Jeez I can barely contain myself with all of this original, discussion-promoting and thought provoking content! Yo I'm supposed to be a brainwashed religious acolyte. Original and thought provoking not really my thing hue -- What is a brainwashed religious acolyte? We're witches. The religious ones are the mafia. Scum claim?
-- Accusations that I am scum followed by avoiding discussing it in a rational manner.
On November 05 2013 05:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Iunno i'll let the rest of the thread judge ur actions for themselves. Think I would lynch you though if I had to choose right now lol. Might just be blinded by omgus we'll see.
-- Guessing he went to bed given it's almost 5AM there right now. Anyone feel like taking up his gauntlet for him? I'd rather he do it himself if he's serious about his scum read on me so I guess I'll have to hear back tomorrow at some point.
TL;DR - has done fuck-all for a positive town environment, has done fuck-all for actual scum reads, refused to interview me in any way whatsoever when given the opportunity and thus has a baseless scum read
I already voted for Sn0, so should you.
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On November 05 2013 11:52 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow.
I just fucking dodged a game of LoL by accident because I was all ready to type something to you and lost LP.
Fuck this, Ceph. I have no desire to get into it with you at all. All it will amount to is a huge shitfest because I can already tell you will not have your mind changed at all based on the sheer zealousness of your case and your posting. You can cry and scream and threaten all you like. Go ahead, you can even spam the thread like Rayn. I will not be getting lynched today so you'd better start diverting your attention span elsewhere.
I will be pushing my own lynches when and where I feel like, and am comfortable where my vote is right now.
I am simply asking you to tell me who is scum and why. I'm certainly open to changing my opinion, but you are currently only giving me reasons for the exact opposite. Yet still I'm here, giving you a chance to share your reads with me and the thread, but you blatantly refuse. Tell the town why you think your scumreads are scum. Give us the reasons and the thoughts that made you think like that. If you continue to ignore this, reasonable request, I can't help but to assume you're a scum who doesn't want to give town anything to go by.
Suddenly seeing the parallels between WoS and Sn0-- holy shit Vulcan Mind Meld
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On November 05 2013 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
That was for Rayn, right? I'm hoping he'll come around and take up my offer, the olive branch I extended for a couple more scum reads ASAP. Somehow he has it in his head that activity == time in the thread and it's just not the whole pizza.
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On November 05 2013 12:02 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 11:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cephiro to answer to your example about WoS:
I don't think that's scummy at all. I had the same kind of train of thought about Vanesco that i see from WoS. Just because WoS did post his thought process in many parts does that make him scum? What's wrong in the thought process, i don't anything wrong with it - maybe i am biased because i thought basically the same at first and reached into similar conclusion than WoS did - but could you elaborate more on why the thought process can't come from a townie? I see your point. And I do not expect my read to be right based on one example only. It was an example only to get my point across to you. It's more about the amount of things that would be incredibly convinient for scum that happen, and the reactions of WoS that are in strong contrast with his own opinions of how a townie should play the game. Single thought processes of his could very well come from a townie yes, but looking at the whole history of his, I find it much more likely to be done from a scum perspective, for one reason alone the sheer amount of inconsistencies and his refusal to correct or address many of them. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 11:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cephiro perhaps I need to be a little more clear.
NOT ONLY do I not accept that scum are more likely to be inconsistent, I wouldn't be surprised if the complete opposite is true. Have you never missed a math question, have you never forgotten anything? Why would you expect someone who rolls town in an online forum game of mafia to be perfect? Townies aren't the ones who are constantly wondering if their story adds up, mafia are. You can point out as many inconsistencies in WoS's play as you like and I will never listen to you unless you can show me how the inconsistencies are specifically scum-motivated. You need to show a clear mafia agenda behind the fuck-ups, otherwise you've just gone and pointed out a bunch of things that can probably be found in every single filter in every mafia game.
The other reason of why I don't like your case is because of the strong town vibes I feel while reading WoS's posts. I sense nothing fake/reserved/malicious/secretive about them. Alright, I very well see your point. I certainly don't expect townies to play perfectly. I personally just consider it more likely for someone that is constant pressure about being caught in a lie to be inconsistent in their story (especially the longer the story becomes), rather than for a townie that is simply telling the story as his opinions move forward. (Basically for a honest townie, the only inconsistencies come from if he doesn't care about what he said earlier, or forgot and does a sudden change of mind without reasoning, which is rare in my opinion.) Thank you for providing the reasoning behind your point though. I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong, but we'll have agree to disagree on this one it seems. At several points in the case (in my opinion), I provided good thoughts as for why the inconsistencies are especially scum-motivated. That can't be said for every point, as there are so many things to be considered ambigiously. But I tried my best to show why certain things are in my opinion clearly done from a mafia perspective.
Part of your duty to the coven is to be as readable as possible, which I mean in the most literal sense. A long stream of quotes with responses is semi-useful but it's also very challenging to get through from a eyes-to-screen standpoint. Use headings, perhaps spoiler the bigger quotes, and just in general make it more appealing to the eye because it was super easy to just start scrolling. There's nothing wrong with your style if you make your best effort to get it into a digestible form which might take a little extra work but you might see a lot less pushback to it that way. Just my 2 Loonies.
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On November 05 2013 12:16 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 12:08 ObviousOne wrote:
Part of your duty to the coven is to be as readable as possible, which I mean in the most literal sense. A long stream of quotes with responses is semi-useful but it's also very challenging to get through from a eyes-to-screen standpoint. Use headings, perhaps spoiler the bigger quotes, and just in general make it more appealing to the eye because it was super easy to just start scrolling. There's nothing wrong with your style if you make your best effort to get it into a digestible form which might take a little extra work but you might see a lot less pushback to it that way. Just my 2 Loonies. That is true. It would be more pleasant and easier to tackle if it was formatted better. If town wants me to, I can try to re-format that post in it's whole. Otherwise I'll just try to make my next one look better if I get totally into the thought process like this time. Mainly the moment I finished that I just pressed enter and was like "Fuck yes all done, let's share this." Rather than "Time to make it look pretty and more convinient for everyone". Thank you for the feedback. So what do you think about my case on WoS? Do you think it has enough valid points to lynch him today, or are you still thinking his play looks too towny to be lynched today, and would rather lynch someone else today? (Rather than obviously wanting to lynch Sn0)
Like I just mentioned a couple posts ago, I'm drawing parallels between what Sn0 is doing and what WoS is doing, but WoS is actually here. Doesn't seem inquisitive enough to me for a town WoS but I didn't read the beginning of the Les Mafia game so I don't know how he opens up and if it will even be applicable given that it's a single game.
That fact is that I'm comfortable catching out a scum WoS by seeing how he reacts to changes in the game state and how/which lynches he does push and that's just not something that can be done on Day 1 with no information. Sn0, on the other hand, poked my beehive and I'm full force on that. It's sort of a running thing that the people who call me scum when I am town recently have generally been initiated by mafia. So that makes for gumshoe, Sn0, Rayn apparently wanted in on that list earlier but has fixed his ways. Don't recall any other major suspicions on me because nobody else has dared push.
Here's a tip for you since you've been so kind: it's pure fact that I am going to be under-involved from a participation level when I'm mafia because I legitimately haven't gotten over the scum-fear (akin to the way I haven't gotten over the ladder anxiety). It's just about the same tell as for Marv, filter length and give-a-shit-ness (his way to describe me rofl) is the way to go when reading me.
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On November 05 2013 12:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and I'm going to make this crystal clear right now.
I will not be around for deadline tomorrow. I may be around during my lunch hour but after tonight assume this will be the end of my activity for D1.
If people pull some shenannies and attempt to lynch me in that time, just know what it is you're doing exactly.
You best be voting for Sn0 if you bailin'
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On November 05 2013 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 12:32 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 12:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and I'm going to make this crystal clear right now.
I will not be around for deadline tomorrow. I may be around during my lunch hour but after tonight assume this will be the end of my activity for D1.
If people pull some shenannies and attempt to lynch me in that time, just know what it is you're doing exactly. You best be voting for Sn0 if you bailin' The issue I have with Sn0 is him basically refusing to contribute today. Would scum flat-out refuse to contribute when pressured? I guess it's possible but ugh. I have mentioned I would be comfortable with any of those three getting lynched and if people absolutely won't switch to Onegu then maybe I will. OO on the note of contribution, what has Umasi done that Sn0 hasn't? What are your thoughts on him atm?
Umasi is on the radar, repeat, he is ON THE RADAR.
Super outspoken against discussing the coven powers and thinks Vanesco is the scummiest guy in the thread. And that's pretty much it. And that's pretty underwhelming. But it's not necessarily scummy to have an out-there scum read. Would rather like to know another two scum reads from him as well because I could put his filter through a sieve and only the word Vanesco would filter out. So I'll wait 'til we get that.
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On November 05 2013 12:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 12:42 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 12:32 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 12:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and I'm going to make this crystal clear right now.
I will not be around for deadline tomorrow. I may be around during my lunch hour but after tonight assume this will be the end of my activity for D1.
If people pull some shenannies and attempt to lynch me in that time, just know what it is you're doing exactly. You best be voting for Sn0 if you bailin' The issue I have with Sn0 is him basically refusing to contribute today. Would scum flat-out refuse to contribute when pressured? I guess it's possible but ugh. I have mentioned I would be comfortable with any of those three getting lynched and if people absolutely won't switch to Onegu then maybe I will. OO on the note of contribution, what has Umasi done that Sn0 hasn't? What are your thoughts on him atm? Umasi is on the radar, repeat, he is ON THE RADAR. Super outspoken against discussing the coven powers and thinks Vanesco is the scummiest guy in the thread. And that's pretty much it. And that's pretty underwhelming. But it's not necessarily scummy to have an out-there scum read. Would rather like to know another two scum reads from him as well because I could put his filter through a sieve and only the word Vanesco would filter out. So I'll wait 'til we get that. /agreed. Who thinks you're scum again this game? I froget.
Sn0 and gumshoe, neither really has much on me and neither has really responded to my requests. Sn0 went to sleep presumably and gumshoe is phone posting with promises for participation later. Slow. Fuckin. Day.
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