EPTWhat i do however know is that Odin and OWB, you guys got killed purely because you were too hesitant to take any control in the town and/or lurked too hard. At least Odin's townplay looks really really good and this was nothing like it, i am surprised you lived that long especially with Balla there (who played with you in the last game). I still need to review the thread and see why Poofer got killed because i have no idea how that heppened. I read the thread and to me looked like one of the towniest guys and then boom.. he was dead.. Maybe i have missed something.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Balla24
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On November 08 2013 16:06 JonnyLaw wrote: Vonthin's play and posts accelerated in usefulness throughout the game. Nice job to both of you. @nyx Yo man, just post more. Your voting and one liners allowed me to believe you rolled town but you failed to answer the question why on several occasions. I can't speak for anyone else but that's what I saw in the game. ya nyx, I can tell you did some good analysis in your head but you just need to post it and completely flesh it out... having awesome reads is good and all but you need to work on convincing people | ||
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Finland43270 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On November 08 2013 16:16 Balla24 wrote: ya nyx, I can tell you did some good analysis in your head but you just need to post it and completely flesh it out... having awesome reads is good and all but you need to work on convincing people but you were doing god's work, i was just following ): | ||
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E00e
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Odin will always be writing poems to me. GG | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Storrzerg Overall, I think you had a strong game and adjusted well to the forum setting. In my opinion, activity is the number one key to success in a newbie game (and most games) and you did a good job showing that you were putting time into the thread. Your actual reads weren't spectacular early on, but that can improve with experience and isn't something to be very concerned about. Most people, including myself, struggle with day one/day two scumhunting. I didn't really follow the game close enough to be able to identify specific examples of things to look for, but doing a quick reread of the players the flipped mafia post-game can definitely help you start to identify certain trends. On day one, I think you did a good job trying to promote activity. Getting the thread moving is a really important on day one goal. You found yourself in a little bit of trouble for disappearing from the thread for a small amount of time. It isn't realistic to think that you're going to be able to watch the thread 24/7, but if you know you're going to be away for a decent chunk of time, try to post something of value beforehand that will satisfy everyone until you're around again. A day one policy lynch is okay, but be aware that you're going to be attacked for it if you lack a strong case to accompany your vote. People commonly view an inactivity lynch as an "easy lynch" since there is not much to go by. As I mentioned in the quicktopic, try to go after players that are lurking, rather than inactive. If they aren't around, then there is not much you can do to pressure them. If you get the sense that they are around, but have decided to lurk, then you can pressure them into posting. The important part to remember is that a player must be scummy in their limited amount of posts if you want to actually go through with their lynch. Plenty of town players, especially those that are new and lack confidence, will post a limited amount of content and get mislynched as a result. You ensured that there wasn't a no-lynch and were able to get your preferred player lynched, which you deserve credit for, even if you were wrong. On October 31 2013 01:52 StorrZerg wrote: ill explain more on cake latter, still need to think about him and what i want to say. If there was one post that you probably shouldn't have made, it was this one. Town players aren't very patient and if you promise future contribution, you better deliver within a reasonable amount of time. When you posted this, you had provided a few decent opinions, but you lacked the reasoning to back it up. By waiting more than 24 hours to explain your thoughts on cake, both town and mafia players were able to attack you for this. Something I noticed reading through your posts is that a lot of the time you announce that your planning on looking into player X or Y. Rather than telling the thread what your about to do, try to provide more conclusions afterwards. On day two, you had a town vs town battle with nyx, which always has the potentially to end horribly, but town was able to pull off the mafia lynch in the end. Just keep in mind that even though you know you are town, people that are attacking you don't necessarily have a malicious agenda. On November 02 2013 14:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote: right now i'm liking StorrZerg for scum. few reasons: 1. vote has popular traction and is likely to take off without dividing town opinion 2. he's not as useful as he promised to be 3. if he's mafia, it'd be a good hit on a more experienced player. if he isn't, then ): i'd like to hear some impassioned defense by StorrZerg if possible. That being said, don't waste your time defending yourself against bad cases. To respond to point number one and two, justify to town that your vote is the correct vote and push the thread in a direction towards finding scum. It's more useful to spend your time writing a case, than explaining why you aren't scum when you aren't necessarily threatened by a lynch. There is literally nothing you can say defend yourself against point number three, so just ignore it. On November 03 2013 06:12 StorrZerg wrote: For now i'd lynch nyx, owb and i have far more people leaning town, who i wouldn't be interested in lynching today obzy balla jonny odin Vonthin tehpoofter null on cake E00e I'm not sure what reasoning you used to come to the conclusion that odin or tehpoofter were town, but be careful with your town reads. Be willing to reevaluate if it's possible that there were holes in your logic, which it looked like you did later on. If you really wanted to get nyx lynched on day two, I would have came out with a case a bit earlier in the cycle. By the time you finally decided to start pushing him hard, there wasn't much time to convince others. The fact that you were able to acknowledge that the nyx lynch wasn't going anywhere and were able to work with town to secure a mafia lynch is good. On November 04 2013 08:33 StorrZerg wrote: i dont' have a good reason to go on him... but we need a lynch and we are running out of time ##vote: tehpoofter As I'm sure you're aware, this vote is going to paint you in a bad light, regardless of what tehpoofter flips. You had him on your not willing to lynch list and it looks like you voted him mainly because you didn't have any other choice. This is going to happen sometimes, but try to be more transparent with your opinion of a major lynch candidate. You explained in 1-2 lines earlier on why you thought he was town. If you're confident that he is town, then convince others why. If you're unsure and could see things going either way, put him in your null list instead and engage him in the thread to get a better idea. Something that I liked was that you went back and looked at the interactions of tehpoofter after he flipped. Once you get a mafia lynch, you can really get a lot of information based on his interactions with others. You also tried to analyze the mafia night hits, which can be a bit more difficult, but equally important. The rest of the game was pretty straight forward so I don't have a ton to comment about. In my opinion, going into day three, you, OWB and Odin had an equal chance of getting lynched. Your activity is really what made it clear that OWB was the best choice and you definitely deserve credit for that. With a 15 page filter, you clearly have a lot of posts. Some people will say this is a great thing, others will say that you are making it more difficult to find the information that actually matters. Looking through your filter, I'd say there are about 100 posts that didn't really provide much value. Eliminating the spam not only makes the thread easier to read, but it also makes it easier to read through your filter and identify your main opinions. This isn't a huge deal, but careful with that cop claim at the end. I'm not sure how the numbers worked out in this game, but in a C9++ setup you can identity the number of possible blue roles. If there is a vigilante rather than a cop, he may have been able to identify that you are fake claiming based on the numbers and you could wake up with a bullet in your head. I'll put together a post on E00e either later today or tonight. Nice job town! | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
Killing Jonny is fine. While it does make Storr look better at that point, I did believe I could cast doubt onto the fact. Like ofc Storr shouldn't get a write off because it would be wayyy to forward of a mafia play to implicate themselves. That is what they are hoping you would think to write it off. Sadly I honestly do work a ton. So my 12+ hour stints away from this game were not spent lurking. By the time I had a chance to sit down and try to do much about the D3 lynch it was questionably too late regardless. I could of tried to swing the votes, which I did try to write something up against Storr but I was choking pretty hard. About an hour to the deadline I just pretty much gave up. I was going to have to disappear again right after voting anyway so I really didn't have time to expand on my thoughts regardless. Which would of just made me look really terrible when OWB flipped red anyway. So I pretty much just called it at this point. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
E00e While 15 pages of filter may be excessive, 2 pages of filter generally doesn't cut it in a game where you survived to endgame. I'm not sure if you were tied up by real life, disinterested in the game, unsure of what to post about or a combination of all these. That being said, you did have the best voting record of anyone in the game, voting for a mafia player on all three days. Unfortunately, being right doesn't mean much if you aren't able to convince others why your vote is best. On day one, you voted with only two other players and on day two you voted by yourself. This is especially dangerous in a majority lynch setup where you may be attacked for not contributing towards the town consolidated lynch. I liked your willingness to share opinions at the start of the game. Using phrases like "I agree", "I disagree", "I don't like", etc show that you're open and able to make a stand on certain issues. Make sure you back up your opinion with an explanation and specific reasoning if you want to convince others. In the quicktopic, you mentioned that you weren't quite sure what to discuss on day one. Perhaps take a look at the filters of the players that looked clearly town from the start for examples of what to talk about or how to push forward discussion. Balla in particular comes to mind. On October 31 2013 21:04 E00e wrote: If only my opinion mattered I would lynch Odin now. A lot of their posts seem so much over the top and look like how I imagine someone very nervous in a real conversation. Also I dont like some of their posts that just distract. This is not a super strong mafia read and I know we have to get a majority and I will most likely be able to be reading the thread near the deadline It seemed at times that you lacked the confidence to push your mafia reads. Your opinion actually does matter since you are town. Keep in mind that all town players are just as in the dark as you are. It's the mafia players that know the alignment of every player and have an agenda to push. Your reasoning seems solid, but try to elaborate on your case or provide examples that strengthen your case. It's a lot better to push your case and be wrong, than to sit back and allow another player to be mislynched. It was unclear what you actually thought of July. If you are dissatisfied with the lynch that the majority of the players are pushing, don't be afraid to speak out against it. On a side note, are you familiar with the quote function on teamliquid? Reading through your posts, I couldn't help but notice that you never used the feature once. At times it was difficult to understand what you were saying because I couldn't differentiate between what you were saying and what another player was saying. Quoting them makes the post a lot cleaner. Something that I would have liked to seen you do is to place your vote earlier on in the cycle. I understand that it can be difficult to make your mind up, but you generate pressure by placing a vote early. It introduces them as a legitimate candidate and can snowball if others agree with you. You can always change your vote if you change your mind. On day two, it seemed like you were doing your own thing, rather than working with town. Remember that it's your responsibility not only to decide who to vote, but to influence others to vote the same way. You may have benefited from consolidating your case into one big post so people are able to identify your main points. If you feel like you are being ignored, try calling people out by name to respond to your thoughts. I'd have liked to see you take a stand on the alignment of poofter on day two. Two cycles in a row you were able to get away without providing a strong opinion on the player that was lynched and that is something you want to try to avoid. Your accurate voting record is likely what earned you the roleblock, which painted you in a good light to most people. I think this was a mistake by the mafia team since it hurt their opportunity to push a mislynch on you. A player that doesn't appear to care much about getting their preferred player lynched is a real easy target for the mafia to push since there is little you can say to defend yourself. Town doesn't know that you have been voting scum players all game until those players actually flip. With a bit more experience and activity I definitely think you can become a strong town player. Hope to see you around again! | ||
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Balla24
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cakemanofdoom
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E00e
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On November 09 2013 07:37 cakemanofdoom wrote: (mattchew I'ma hold you to that standard of analysis k) your a beast, you were almost more confirmed than obsy good job keep playing like that | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13921 Posts
On November 09 2013 10:00 Mattchew wrote: your a beast, you were almost more confirmed than obsy good job keep playing like that LOL troll | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On November 09 2013 07:37 cakemanofdoom wrote: (mattchew I'ma hold you to that standard of analysis k) Ouch. Nice write up Kitaman. Is it safe to assume you coached the above two dudes? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 09 2013 20:46 Mocsta wrote: Ouch. Nice write up Kitaman. Is it safe to assume you coached the above two dudes? No he used his scum!bullshit abilities and wrote something. :D | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On November 09 2013 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: No he used his scum!bullshit abilities and wrote something. :D Why the need for sarcasm? The guy went through a guys filter and wrote a spiel about his play. Your comment above does nothing to deviate from that. e: No need to be a sore loser 'cos your team lost  | ||
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