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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
October 31 2013 20:18 GMT
#501
@cakemanofdoom July's posting is so erratic that voting him just doesn't feel right. His play isn't helping the town either but I just don't feel comfortable claiming him scum rather than useless town. Odin spammed and flung shit at people making the voting waters murky. Why do you not want to vote for odin?
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
October 31 2013 20:20 GMT
#502
You have cakeman listed twice. Once on Odin and once on July. I think the July vote is where he sits at the moment.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 20:26 GMT
#503
##unvote
##vote OdinOfPergo

Jonny has been reacting well under pressure and he is still pushing his lynch. This will be a great lynch:

- Possible scum
- Information and pressure.
- Mostly inactive.
July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 31 2013 20:26 GMT
#504
On November 01 2013 05:16 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I don't like how July suddenly picked poofter (who had 0 votes beforehand) out of the lurky people to vote for. It can only cause confusion at this point. I wanna keep my vote on July atm.

I guess I'm suspicious of odin enough to vote for him if it comes down to him. I don't have a lot of trust for the current voters, but I'm not trusting a lot people in the game period so I guess there's no way around that.



Cake i picked him because he's inactive and I though lynching inactive was a priority|?
twitch.tv/Jjuly617
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 31 2013 20:28 GMT
#505
So the deal is we need 7 to get a lynch.

the biggest votes right now are on E00e who has had the most people vote on him or pull off voting, and still in the lead with 3 then OdinOfPergo with 3 as well, and then July617 with 2.

With the current listed as of right now, i am happy voting one of the 3, so i am content with focusing the rest of today on just these 3.

Ill be looking at OdinOfPergo and E00e next to decide if i want to switch with them or stay on july. Regardless a lynch needs to happen, and anyone with a vote not on those 3 imo is hurting town.

also @jonnylaw, idk what your complaining for, all your last post did was do nothing and complain that you need more from me. I personally feel i have been stepping up today. and calling me out for asking for a vote count lol? really...

Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 31 2013 20:29 GMT
#506
On November 01 2013 05:26 July617 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 05:16 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I don't like how July suddenly picked poofter (who had 0 votes beforehand) out of the lurky people to vote for. It can only cause confusion at this point. I wanna keep my vote on July atm.

I guess I'm suspicious of odin enough to vote for him if it comes down to him. I don't have a lot of trust for the current voters, but I'm not trusting a lot people in the game period so I guess there's no way around that.



Cake i picked him because he's inactive and I though lynching inactive was a priority|?


Sure but at this point, unless you have some damning evidence as to why we should switch to cake, its not happening. Too many people are needed to switch to ride a vote on him, and its questionable if we even have enough active people on right now that would be willing to switch to someone like cake.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
October 31 2013 20:30 GMT
#507
At first, I didn't want to lynch odin before he had more chances to read and talk. And others seemed more scummy to me at the moment. Odin was suspicious to me, but it didn't seem like it would be possible to get him lynched.

July's posts are erratic, but I can see mafia motivations behind his most recent one so I like the lynch. Odin's chaos wasn't that close to voting deadline, and I think conversation starting was still a good idea at the time.


Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 20:31 GMT
#508
What is the motivation behind July's vote then cakeman?
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
October 31 2013 20:33 GMT
#509
Lynching purely on inactivity isn't as good as lynching someone scummy. First priority right now, I think, is to consolidate votes on someone we agree is suspicious/useless, and voting someone who had 0 votes is very counterproductive to that.

Storr, July's voting/pushing poofter not me.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 20:35 GMT
#510
@cakeman I originally liked it because it fit with what he was saiyng before... he didn't think we could lynch anyone scummy or something and wasn't getting any solid reads on anybody. Then he votes for tehpoofter as a lurker, which is what it seemed like we were going to lynch for.

Maybe you're right though, let me find that post that i'm referencing though.
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
October 31 2013 20:36 GMT
#511
The earlier no lynch vote or the current poofter vote?
No lynch would prevent town from getting information from a town-directed flip, while giving mafia a free kill and the ability to try the same thing the next day.
Voting for someone with 0 votes makes it less likely for any vote to pass, leading to the same result. Plus, if anyone jumps on poofter with him (maybe he was hoping me since I've suspected poofter pretty heavily) that just divides town's votes even more.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 20:38 GMT
#512
I feel like splitting the votes as mafia only makes sense if we were on the right track elsewhere... otherwise why not just try to get someone lynched. Right?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 20:39 GMT
#513
Oh and I was referencing the current poofter vote. Not the no-lynch. The no lynch i didnt like from either a mafia or town perspective.
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
October 31 2013 20:44 GMT
#514
Hmm, I was on track to keeping my vote on July, which would be right if he's scum and splitting votes.
I think split votes also confuses town, and makes them more desperate for any bandwagon to prevent a no vote. Might make it easier for scum to lead a vote on a target of their choice, even if town normally wouldn't consider that target a top lynch candidate. There are 3 hours till voting deadline, which is still enough for mafia to try and pull something.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 20:44 GMT
#515
The only downside, for me at least to lynching Odin: I do think he could be a valuable town. He posts a LOT when active and all of his thoughts, some people might think its hectic and spammy but I actually like it. It starts conversations. I don't have the highest faith in his reads though, since last game his reads were pretty far off but I still killed him because he was a scary town player.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 31 2013 20:45 GMT
#516
OdinOfPergo has rubbed me a bit the wrong way and i would consider voting him.
need to look more, but his last post is just bleh
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
October 31 2013 20:52 GMT
#517
@balla I agree that's very active when active. But he's active like a meth head is active. His posts are jumbled, contradictory and uninformed. How does this help us push forward. At the very least we're lynching a liability.

@storr I said that because I've been saying to give you time to help us. I'm not salty about you asking for the votecount I just want some meat in your posts you know? As is, you could be lurking as casual scum happy to see me pushing odin hard. You've said you'd go over the filters during LoL queues. That's 10 minutes or so between games.

What's your opinion on Odin? What was your opinion on July? You said you were reading that filter and it's very short.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
October 31 2013 20:54 GMT
#518
I'm just getting into the meat of this and seeing that we're actually getting discussion going and seem to be narrowing in on some lynches which is good for town we need to get a lynch today and with majority being in favor its going to take some cooperation.

On November 01 2013 05:26 July617 wrote:
Cake i picked him because he's inactive and I though lynching inactive was a priority|?


I have easily double the amount of posts than you with defenses, questions, summations, accusations and discussion. Your posts have been very short (excluding the post you made to unvote where I think not voting is an awful idea and don't agree with) and all over the place. This to me either reads as very sloppy town play or confusion based mafia play. We have basically 3 people who had a decent amount of votes when you voted for me and at the time I had none point being not that it was on me but because it goes against getting a majority lynch which is the goal of today. However, your accusation on me is silly as I have clearly been posting a lot it seems like you just looked back and saw the person who hadn't posted in the longest amount of time and picked them.

Also even if people think I haven't been active who said lynching inactive was priority? Its more of a if we can't get a scum read we go with an inactive that could be scum first. Catching scum is priority over someone who doesn't talk. (Which I have been.)

I also would like to point out that your post right before was:

On November 01 2013 04:42 July617 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 04:41 Balla24 wrote:
Alright, I'd really like people to consider a JonnyLaw lynch. I don't really like the July/E00e lynches and the only reason i'd be willing to lynch them is because they are mostly lurking.

As far as Jonnylaw, it's clear he's not going to get the votes on Odin yet he continues to push for him and doesn't switch his votes to the targets he says he's ok with lynching which would be the most pro-town thing to do since we're in majority lynch.

I'm very confused as to why he wasn't ok with lynching Storr, when storr was lurking just as much as July/E00e/Nyx etc.. just because he thought "storr would post before deadline".


Do i smell mafia circles forming?


Where you referenced a circle which rereading the post I'm not 100% sure on who you were even claiming in your circle if you're going to make an accusation put it down, dropping hints like that is scummy and only causes confusion. Make your reads clear. But, from what I gather of the possibilities of circles from the post you quoted I was not in any of them So why in your very next post would you suddenly switch your vote to me? It doesn't make sense.

I have more to say about E00e's defense and I will explain that in my next post but don't want a large wall of text cause I know this is already pretty big.

##Unvote
##Vote July617
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
October 31 2013 20:57 GMT
#519
How much of the voting on Odin right now is because he isn't here, and it's easier to vote somebody that isn't actively defending themselves? =l

Jonny, the way that you've said a few times now that lynching Odin is a good move "because at least we're lynching a liability" ... I dislike that quite a bit, I'd much rather lynch a lurker over Odin unless what he is doing is objectively scummy, rather than "He's not here, he's hard to understand, and I don't like him much."
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 31 2013 20:58 GMT
#520
On November 01 2013 05:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
I'm just getting into the meat of this and seeing that we're actually getting discussion going and seem to be narrowing in on some lynches which is good for town we need to get a lynch today and with majority being in favor its going to take some cooperation.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 05:26 July617 wrote:
Cake i picked him because he's inactive and I though lynching inactive was a priority|?


I have easily double the amount of posts than you with defenses, questions, summations, accusations and discussion. Your posts have been very short (excluding the post you made to unvote where I think not voting is an awful idea and don't agree with) and all over the place. This to me either reads as very sloppy town play or confusion based mafia play. We have basically 3 people who had a decent amount of votes when you voted for me and at the time I had none point being not that it was on me but because it goes against getting a majority lynch which is the goal of today. However, your accusation on me is silly as I have clearly been posting a lot it seems like you just looked back and saw the person who hadn't posted in the longest amount of time and picked them.

Also even if people think I haven't been active who said lynching inactive was priority? Its more of a if we can't get a scum read we go with an inactive that could be scum first. Catching scum is priority over someone who doesn't talk. (Which I have been.)

I also would like to point out that your post right before was:

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 04:42 July617 wrote:
On November 01 2013 04:41 Balla24 wrote:
Alright, I'd really like people to consider a JonnyLaw lynch. I don't really like the July/E00e lynches and the only reason i'd be willing to lynch them is because they are mostly lurking.

As far as Jonnylaw, it's clear he's not going to get the votes on Odin yet he continues to push for him and doesn't switch his votes to the targets he says he's ok with lynching which would be the most pro-town thing to do since we're in majority lynch.

I'm very confused as to why he wasn't ok with lynching Storr, when storr was lurking just as much as July/E00e/Nyx etc.. just because he thought "storr would post before deadline".


Do i smell mafia circles forming?


Where you referenced a circle which rereading the post I'm not 100% sure on who you were even claiming in your circle if you're going to make an accusation put it down, dropping hints like that is scummy and only causes confusion. Make your reads clear. But, from what I gather of the possibilities of circles from the post you quoted I was not in any of them So why in your very next post would you suddenly switch your vote to me? It doesn't make sense.

I have more to say about E00e's defense and I will explain that in my next post but don't want a large wall of text cause I know this is already pretty big.

##Unvote
##Vote July617


I switched my vote to you because you were inactive, and apparently people don't like a no lynch, they wanted me to vote for someone so i voted for the person who I thought was a safe vote (I.E I knew you wouldn't get lynched)
twitch.tv/Jjuly617
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