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Also - Odin, what is your current read on Storr?
Also,
On October 31 2013 13:50 Balla24 wrote:
Just a reminder to everyone, this is majority lynch... we can't all be pushing multiple people. This isn't like the past 2 newbie games. Which is why i'm calling for everyone to please try to be relevant to the cases on hand.
If you haven't weighed in on the recent cases or put a vote down, IMHO, you probably should. I'd hate to see a no lynch, and I'm not really interested in seeing last minute scrambles (because I am normally driving at the time that the day will be ending).
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I don't really expect to be sheeped; being confirmed doesn't exactly make my reads better, or more correct. You can just be certain that they're genuine lol. Storr, your post just now, once again, doesn't actually say anything about reads. It talks about general ideas in the game of mafia as a whole, but you don't seem to have opinions on anybody actually in the game except me because I'm IC.
On October 31 2013 14:54 StorrZerg wrote:I would look closer at the people who are going buddy buddy with Obzy, agreeing with what ever he says.
I don't really think anybody's done that yet - maybe Von, a little bit, with his read dump - but he's getting quite rightly lambasted for it. Rather, you actually haven't looked closely at anybody, you've merely stated that it would be wise to be wary of the people that are following the confirmed townie, because you yourself are currently that confirmed townie's target blah blah blah.
Your recent post didn't actually say anything relevant to the game at hand, even though you're here, and capable of doing so.
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I don't expect to give anybody any cred for helping kill mafia whatsoever. I expect to give them cred based on the way I've read them, not just because they weakly followed a lynch that happened to be correct lol.
Even your most recent post is purposeless.
Okay, I'm just gonna go ahead and take a small stand here and say that we all need to be consolidating on StorrZerg. If I'm wrong, feel free to blame me later.
Storr's filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=StorrZerg&view=all
Storr's filter in Hogwarts Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=StorrZerg&view=all
The primary difference is the fact that in this game, he hasn't produced reads or contributed in meaningful ways at all, while in the other, a quick skim alone of his filter shows him having opinions left and right. In this game, it's deflection, dismissal, threats to lurkers, and random tidbits of mafia game theory wisdom.
If you are not voting Storr, I would like a specific reason why. I think that he's pretty definitively the best lynch today. His return to the thread has been incredibly underwhelming, he's made no effort to produce reads, bleh.
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Hi guys, I don't have much time to post/read while at work; and I get off at the deadline so won't be able to participate much until late this evening. That all said- although I really do think Storr is a good lynch, I'd rather avoid a no lynch rather than try to stick it out when nobody seems convinced. I think voting for Odin is a bad choice right now; ignoring his temper tantrum when he first showed up, he actually did produce a considerable amount of reads with reasonable logic applied, though I disagree with him lol.
Balla, I don't like a Jonny vote, although he hasn't been looking very good from my brief skimming, and I disagree with his Odin vote.
I would be okay with lynching Storr, July, and I guess E00e... they're all playing without contributing much that is actually useful. I don't really feel like voting poofter, though I am interested in asking -
On October 31 2013 18:35 Tehpoofter wrote:
Storr: I don't know what to think of these two votes because they're done by the confirmed town and my #1/2 town read in Balla. I however totally disagree and feel like storr would be an easy vote to get pushed through because he is frankly the only name I recognize and having seen him play mafia before I respect his game as I'm sure others have done and do before. This seems like if Storr has a couple votes going into the end of tomorrow could be easy for mafia to hop on and get out a good player who has done nothing to show me he is scummy and has made pro town plays thus far in wanting to organize our votes most importantly.
E00e: I at first liked what he was saying because he was agreeing with me but looking back at his filter to see why he is getting votes and reading the reasonings I'm seeing he is sheeping in half his posts and the other half are just instant question deflections this reads scummy to me I didn't notice at first cause he was agreeing with me which was something I shouldn't do (write someone off because we have different opinions). I feel like his post count is super low as well and his content not very town beneficial. I don't have much more to go on at this point because he hasn't given me more to read from.
I don't really agree that Storr has been pro-town without contributing at all, he's basically only talked about mechanics and 'pro town things' without doing them himself. That said, this weirdness doesn't reconcile me with a poofter lynch today, I'd much prefer one of the other three for being useless in ways and at times that they could easily have been useful.
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I'll try to keep up on things, but I may not be able to do much in the way of careful reading and/or posting for the rest of the day, just enough to keep up on the vote counts so we don't no lynch.
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I think Jonny has been anti-odin largely because of the way Odin entered the thread and immediately started arguing with him, so he's biased. If I was judging Jonny entirely off of how he's been acting regarding his Odin vote, I'd be happy to vote him, but.. I hadn't really considered it yesterday, so looking at it while working this morning, I'm sort of winging things atm lol. I wouldn't feel comfortable with it (a jonny vote) atm, and I don't think that the necessary votes would come anyways. Maybe I'm wrong, though?
unless you were asking why i specifically would say something, and were hoping someone else would say something, in which case - oops! missed the memo ._.
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On November 01 2013 03:08 July617 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 03:07 Balla24 wrote:On November 01 2013 03:04 July617 wrote:On November 01 2013 02:51 Balla24 wrote:
Also, literally everybody has been jumping on July, whereas only me and Obzy have jumped on Storr. Everybody on July makes me very weary. It makes me weary that people are bandwagoning all over the place. cake man you switched your vote from Tehpoofter to me and your reasoning is what exactly ? "I understand the suspicion on Jonny. But I don't think he can/should be lynched today." < - Why shouldn't he be lynched today you aren't supporting your vote on me you're writing nonsense and hoping that passes as an explanation. In your last line you write "I'm feeling that July's the one most people have their eyes on. Aside from maybe E00e, who I think has posted better than July" <- What does "posted better" really mean? E00e could be mafia and the only reason you're not suspicious of him is because he post's better? Voting for someone because of the frequency of there posts or the lack of content in there posts isn't a good reason. You're all looking at my post's trying to make yourselves believe i'm scum when in reality i'm not . And finally a last bit of your post where you state " Most people seem to be suspecting July, E00e, or Storr. I'm not too sure about opinions on other people, but let's pick from one of those, unless a lot of people come out and claim vote desires that I haven't picked up on. " << You're siding with a majority when you should be looking at every player as scum , why did they vote this way instead of that, what was the reasoning behind it , and why should we believe they are/aren't mafia . These are the questions i think we should be asking .
##Vote: No Vote You realize we need 7 votes on anybody to kill them. We literally will eventually have to bandwagon on someone. That's why we have to narrow down the suspects to people that will possibly get lynched, instead of having everybody open for discussion. Why vote for a No vote? Voting for a no vote because day one isn't getting us anything solid at least in my opinion . let someone die and then we can see who mafia is targeting .
No lynching is bad today IMO because I'm confirmed town due to my role, so if we don't lynch anyone, scum can just kill me and it doesn't reveal any real information, since I was going to have to be killed eventually. I could understand that viewpoint if you wanted to wait for blues (although I'd disagree with it emphatically), but waiting just to see what mafia does is inherently flawed. Similarly, I'd like to see you forced to put your vote on somebody and take a stance anyways, since you haven't done much of value, yet.
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How much of the voting on Odin right now is because he isn't here, and it's easier to vote somebody that isn't actively defending themselves? =l
Jonny, the way that you've said a few times now that lynching Odin is a good move "because at least we're lynching a liability" ... I dislike that quite a bit, I'd much rather lynch a lurker over Odin unless what he is doing is objectively scummy, rather than "He's not here, he's hard to understand, and I don't like him much."
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##Unvote
##Vote: July617
I didn't want you to vote just so you weren't no voting, I wanted you to vote so you'd be forced to have an opinion. Apparently your opinion was "I want a safe place to park my vote that I don't have to take responsibility for, since I know the town is okay with lynching lurkers, and this person doesn't seem to be around to defend himself right now."
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On November 01 2013 06:45 JonnyLaw wrote:
As the deadline approaches I still don't see how july is the best lynch target. July's posting with confidence albeit it's not good.
If july flips town what have we learned? Absolutely nothing.
Even E00e is better because he condemned Odin so harshly.
Storr is even better at this point. He's still failing to contribute anything useful.
Fuck it, if we need 7th vote I'm doing it but I see no gain of information from July's shitposting.
This post makes me want to lynch Jonny a little bit, I'll be honest. July hasn't posted anything useful. If he had, we'd learn something 'after he flips town.' That said, "July's posting with confidence" - wth? E00e being a better lynch because he condemned Jonny's primary scumread? Storr being better because he hasn't changed from before? I don't want to lynch you today, but this post makes you look absolutely awful if July flips town. =l
(If he flips scum, you don't exactly look much better for it, though)
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Storr, could you please post what your current opinions of July, Odin, and E00e are? It doesn't have to be super long since you're allergic to long, descriptive, constructive posts, but having you hold some stances on them instead of "I'll look into them --> Kinda rubbed me the wrong way" would be useful.
This post is probably the most "scum hunting" he has done all game. I like this post, he has reasons for why he doesn't like Jonnylaw. My issue is he had to be asked directly about this person, and he hasn't actually volunteered reads even though he has been pressured many times to do so. (This is Storr re: July)
You haven't really volunteered your own reads even though you've been getting pressured from me to do so
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Oh, also, instantly martyring when a few votes come in isn't really what I would've expected, given how pressure has slipped off of people that have begun actively posting. July, if you're insistent, then please give your reads on the other players in this game. As of right now, your only read is on Jonny here:
On November 01 2013 03:18 July617 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 03:09 Balla24 wrote:
July, what do you think about Jonnylaw? He's acting allot like Sagaz did in our last game and Sagaz turned out to be mafia, he's really agro for no apparent reason, attacking nyx mostly in his filter on page 2 and then grasping for straws on page 3 . Suspicious yes, either way... (etc)
What are your thoughts on other people?
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On November 01 2013 07:06 Obzy wrote:
Oh, also, instantly martyring when a few votes come in isn't really what I would've expected, given how pressure has slipped off of people that have begun actively posting.
semi EBWOP;
I kinda lost track of my own point here.
What I meant to imply is that the fact he still has refused/failed to contribute in a way beneficial to town implies that he doesn't want to help town, and would rather just be somewhat obstructive. I wouldn't expect this from him as a townie-
In his previous game, in his QT with BH here, BH recommended that he play as protown as possible as SK, and the conversation seemed to sort of revolve around him trying to act as town doctor. Also in his previous game, he was much more willing to drop reads and hold opinions, where here, he has done nothing of the sort. *shrug*
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On November 01 2013 07:31 July617 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 07:22 Vanesco wrote:
Ok, I am back now.
Before leaving I had my vote on E00e. Not that I don't think he is scummy but like I mentioned before, July was seeming more scummy to me. The reason why I think July is a good day 1 lynch is because he has not really given the town anything useful and his last few posts are basically screaming "I give up, I don't want to play anymore". How I see it is that best case scenario he is scum, worst case scenario we get rid of a useless town who has mostly useless posts which only creates distractions for other players to use to their advantage.
Apart from this the three players that seem like we can get a majority lynch on are E00e, July, or Odin. All 3 in my opinion would be good lynches but my largest scum read (on these 3) to smallest would be:
July
E00e
Odin If i am to be lynched then that's one town gone, adding in mafia kill tonight that makes 2 town dead in addition to a possible SK kill which means 3 dead town . Is "useless town" lynching really the best idea ?
Hi July. Who do you think is scummiest right now? You're ignoring me.
+ Show Spoiler +And while that's sort of okay because I plan on lynching you, all the same, if you do happen, by some quirk of fate, to be town - it would be useful if you actually said things instead of incredibly lazy what-if defenses after insta-martyring.
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Jonny, would you mind switching onto July to prevent shenanigans? I'm pretty sure you're the only person who isn't afk of the non-july voters, and I don't like having such a slim majority.
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Yeah, tentatively. I need to leave basically the instant the deadline hits, and I'm at work so if somebody comes to talk to me I may just disappear lol.
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Correct - I don't think the choice between Jonny and Odin is 100% clear to me as of right now, and I haven't really read with my full attention yet today so I'd feel reeeeally uncomfortable switching onto him all of a sudden. I would much, much rather lynch July.
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hmm. well, too bad regarding July, obviously.
At this moment, pending a proper reread, I'd rather lynch Jonny over Odin though lol. I sort of think, just a gut reaction, the lynch should be between the two of them tomorrow. (but if I could vig like 9 people I would :l )
Jonny, you attacking balla is absolutely ridiculous. Hopefully this doesn't come back to bite me, but he's easily my strongest townread. I'll go ahead and make a case on you sometime later today (unless I get lazy), if I decide that you're probably town and the case is shitty, then pretend I didn't say this just now.
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You were both attacking each other while ignoring the rest of conversation for the majority of the day, only changing to secure July when specifically asked. I don't think you're both scum, but I do think it's a reasonable assumption that at least one of you is. *shrugs*
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On November 01 2013 06:45 JonnyLaw wrote:
As the deadline approaches I still don't see how july is the best lynch target. July's posting with confidence albeit it's not good.
If july flips town what have we learned? Absolutely nothing.
Even E00e is better because he condemned Odin so harshly.
Storr is even better at this point. He's still failing to contribute anything useful.
Fuck it, if we need 7th vote I'm doing it but I see no gain of information from July's shitposting.
On November 01 2013 07:00 JonnyLaw wrote:
No, if E00e flips town I feel okay dropping odin as a read.
Are you kidding me Obzy? July's said whatever he wants all game not caring what anyone else has said about him. If that's not confidence it's stupidity if he's scum. I believe most players in this game are not stupid.
Why would you feel safe dropping odin as a read, when specifically odin is your big read up to this point, appears in almost every one of your posts, and your first quote specifically apparently is fine with killing E00e over July because he attacked your scumread? Your second quote says that you'd let odin go if E00e flipped town..? Makes no sense.
Your case on Odin is basically "lol he's bad and didn't read and spammed wow what trash kill him." repeated basically since he argued with you upon entering the thread- and after July flips town, a move that supposedly garnered us no information, you exclaim On November 01 2013 09:29 JonnyLaw wrote:
So, what we've leartned from july's lynching.
You said we'd learn something and I did. I learned odin's probably not scum but you very well are scum balla.
Joined the wagon late, as in your last two games. Try to discredit me. Woo getting interesting.
Where did the Odin read go?? Note that he hadn't explained his reading the thread 4 times by this point, but when he does,
On November 01 2013 09:47 JonnyLaw wrote:
It does make a lot more sense. How do you type so concisely today and no tyesterday?
For some reason, Odin is instantly worthy of forgiveness, and Jonny goes 100% hard on Balla, who has been the most townie this entire game, and is an absolutely idiotic target.
I guess my post saying that Odin or Jonny and not both being likely scum was sort of thrown out whimsically,
edit before posting - I actually didn't say that when looking back, I said I thought the vote should be between the two of them - and I'm not sure that's an opinion necessarily worth putting off -
but I would like an explanation from Jonny for some of these abrupt shifts. I haven't really looked into Odin very carefully since yesterday; he had been reading townie enough to me that I didn't feel comfortable voting him, though, and I'm not sure that a reread will change that.
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