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Persons of Interest:
Tehpoofter
Laughing Jack
Bereft
Oatsmaster
OdinOfPergo
Stutters695
Yes, I know this is basically a list of lurkers. However, I believe that the majority of scum does lie in this group(outside of hzflank).
Addressing hzflank:
Let's be real. The lynch of mkfuba kinda/sorta clears hzflank a little bit. I don't think it would be wise for us to pursue a lynch of him at this juncture. I know I pushed him throughout Day 1. I've changed my mind. I'm not putting throwing out the possibility of him being scum. It's just probably less likely because of how the flip turned out.
Tehpoofter:
Very short filter. Votes fuba after Stutters, making his vote unnecessary. May have been an attempt to gain towncred after the flip if he is scum.
Most of his posting seems to be fairly unreadable/non-alignment indicative. I would like to go into depth about justifications for the vote on fuba.
On November 02 2013 08:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
##Vote mkfuba07
I don't like his accusations on hzfanks I think between the two he looks the most scummy in his filter.
1) I honestly don't like either of the two main lynches but its too close to deadline now. 2)I realize my activity has been shit but as for now I think that Grack is most town to me his aggressive style with his constant pings make me think he is the most town by far and I think on the early grack/oats fight both are just town argueing with town.
As of now town is grack/oats more to come during the night.
I want to point out a few things. See bold.
1) Here we can see a type of apathy that is reminiscent of scum play. He is saying that he doesn't care who is lynched.
2) The rest of the post is completely irrelevant to the most pressing matters at hand. First, he apologizes for his poor activity. Then, he starts talking about Grack/Oats who he believes are both town.
Consider the circumstances. Many town members were engaging in a heated debate about whether fuba or hzflank would be the best lynch. Tehpoofter waltzes in, places a vote that amounts to nothing, and talks about unrelated shit.
Advice: Consider lynching tomorrow.
I'll post my other reads soon.
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On November 03 2013 06:37 hzflank wrote:
I would be surprised if there is a vig shot. Not only is it unlikely that there is a vig, but even if there is they may not of been active enough to decide on their target.
Best to play as if there are no power roles, for the moment.
With 4 mafia, I think both a vig and a doctor are fair game. Especially if mafia have some power roles at their disposal. I wouldn't spend too much time speculating, though. Whatever it may be, good ol' scumhunting always works better than role speculation.
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On November 03 2013 06:42 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 06:41 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2013 06:41 Pandain wrote:On November 03 2013 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2013 06:34 Pandain wrote:
I wouldn't mind him to be vigged. As I said I can't read him and him being absent doesn't help his cause.
Good because I vigged Oats  Good because I vigged Asinine and was joking about my joking Damn these meta plays! So I should not of doctored Asinine?
Don't worry, I'm a vig too and I shot myself.
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Persons of Interest:
Tehpoofter
Laughing Jack
Bereft
Oatsmaster
OdinOfPergo
Stutters695
Laughing Jack:
I have a few particular issues with his filter.
On November 01 2013 01:24 Laughing Jack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 23:49 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2013 23:19 Laughing Jack wrote:
I think we should be one Jarjar less at the end of this day.
##Vote: JarjarDrinks care to elaborate? Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 22:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Hey all. First off I'll add my name to the very much against random lynching list for the exact reasons Oats posted. Also, I'm suspicious of the people pushing for it. Most notably hzflank because he only said he was for it after people brought it up. Like, even though it's only a 30% chance, if I'm scum and someone talks about random lynching my first thought is probably something like "Oh god, what if one of us gets chosen? There'd be nothing we could do." So he makes his post saying he'd be for a RNG lynch to show everyone that he's not afraid of it. Even going as far as saying On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
I would think my chances of actually identifying scum on day one are less than 31%, therefore RNG would yield better results for me. Ofcourse, We would need to decide on who rolls the dice. How should we do that? I suggest we vote on it. How in the world could his odds actually be worse than random? Even if he had no scumhunting skill whatsoever, it would be @ worst equal to random. Jarjar doesn't bring up anything new but just says he's against randomlynching, However most of the post is just fluff about what rng-lynching is to make it seem like his saying more then "Yeah I agree". And it's very certainly fluff because he doesn't reach a conclusion with it. It's scummy to try to make yourself look more townie then you are.His hzflank vote is really weak. He says he wants to lynch hzflank for being one of the rng-supporters but provides no reasoning other then that others seemed to lynch him. It's a very un-townie park-vote. He's still not contributing but just talking about rng-lynching trying to make supporters look scummy for supporting it.
This is a post that basically establishes that Laughing Jack doesn't like JJD.
See bold.
How is it scummy to try and look more townie? This statement is just blatantly false. The rest of his reasoning is okay, imo. LJ is fishing for reasons to vote for JJD. Hard to say at this point as to whether this is coming from a town or scum perspective.
The rest of his filter is basically LJ insulting people for accusing him of anything. Posts like these are designed to make people angry post irrationally. Not very conducive to a town environment.
On November 01 2013 19:46 Laughing Jack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 19:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I'm ok with getting rid of Laughing Jack. This might be difficult for you but try to use your head. I'd love to hear what kind of backwards logic makes you want to lynch me.
However, LJ does have quite a few posts where he voluntarily pressures people. A type of playstyle that scum are not very adept at mimicking. There are posts where he is initiating conversations. This point is critical. In general, scum want to diffuse conversations, not initiate them. Here a few posts in which LJ does this:
On November 01 2013 03:28 Laughing Jack wrote:
Bereft while your vote on the lurker is most admirable I don't really care about it, and you're floating around without any real opinions so would you mind sharing any of your current scumreads?
On November 01 2013 16:12 Laughing Jack wrote:
Your sacrifice is noted,
What do you two think about the current votes?
On November 01 2013 16:18 Laughing Jack wrote:
No, Are you happy with them? Do you think anyone's vote suck, do you think my vote suck? How would you like the votes to be, who do you want pressured?, is Pandain really your top scumread? Plenty to talk about.
These types of posts are usually indicative of a town mentality, but not always.
Then, you have the vote on hzflank.
On November 02 2013 07:57 Laughing Jack wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: hzflank
This doesn't make much sense when you compare it to the rest of his filter.
Sequence of Events: LJ was intially arguing for a JJD lynch and then slowly grew to favor an Oatsmaster lynch. the transition here, while not obvious, is understandable considering their heated exchange.
However, the transition from thinking Oats was scum to thinking hzflank is scum is completely untraceable. He is a post he made during the latter half of Day 1.
On November 01 2013 22:17 Laughing Jack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 21:02 Laughing Jack wrote:On November 01 2013 20:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Grack, none of those reasons make Jack scum, they may make him an asshole and bad but not SCUM. You have to say why he is scum because he does all these things.
Jack, can you elaborate on your Hzflank read cause I think he is leaning town for me. I picked him because his flip would generate most information and discussion. I'm interested why you have a green read on him. To elaborate. hzflank hasn't done enough to make me lean town or scum on him. Early on cases are generally weak and when the majority of the players gives very little to go on it's better to lynch the person who will give us most information going into day2.
LJ has established that hzflank is basically a null read. For some reason, he wishes to vote him over his scum read Oatsmaster because hzflank is more active. This type of logic is terrible. Considering that he never returned to the thread until post-flip, it is clear that he is hiding something.
Although he started off Day 1 kinda-sorta townie, the flip incriminates him heavily.
Advice: Lynch with fire.
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I will not be giving out my TL ID until I flip. Sorry broskis.
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I'll be leaving the thread for about a half-hour. I'll post the rest of my reads after that.
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On November 03 2013 07:22 Bereft wrote:asinine, what's with the self-sacrificial post volunteering to get vig'ed?? if you are town as you say and you are vig'ed, assuming no doctor saves, we now have 2 instead of 3 mislynches: Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 05:17 Pandain wrote:
9-3 DAY 2 STARTS
8-3 MISLYNCH
7-3 DAY 3 STARTS
6-3 MISLYNCH
5-3 DAY 4 STARTS
4-3 MISLYNCH
So we have at least three more lynches, unless a vig shoots a town. Last lynch will of course be trickiest if we don't lynch scum.
8-3 DAY 2 STARTS 7-3 MISLYNCH 6-3 DAY 3 STARTS 5-3 MISLYNCH
Yeah, but if I don't get vigged and you mislynch me on Day 2, we are in the same position except with one less Day to lynch scum with.
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On November 03 2013 07:25 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I don't like about Asinine's analysis'.
I don't like how he's analyzing only a group of people. If he really wanted to leave town with a definite understanding of where he stood, then he'd be analyzing the thread in the whole, not just looking at specific people. So that's weird to me.
He finds several townie reads and then says lynch with fire. His only reasoning is that jack's vote on hz is suspicious. It is suspicious but there are possible justificatinos. He said he wanted to lynch someone to get information, HZ more then fuba who was afk would provide information. Furthermore, he could have simply made a bad choice as he voted like basically last second and was mainly afk.
In fact, only voting and not justifying it is something scum would very very very very very very very very much try to avoid.
Town should avoid it but don't always.
I'm analyzing the people I think are scum. The purpose of these posts is not to convince anyone I am town, it is to post my reads in full honesty so you can refer to them as you progress through the game after my demise.
When I say I see some townie things about jack's filter, it is because I think that the first half of his Day 1 play looked townie. I am not going to omit information because it does help my argument. Honesty is the best policy.
LJ's vote and behavior post-lynch trumps any goodwill he earned from the townie mentality he seemed to have during the early part of Day 1.
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On November 03 2013 07:47 Bereft wrote:
right now i'd say he's likely town. his first hz case coupled with his advocation of a lurker lynch close to the deadline when there's no vote consolidation speaks to either a pretty transparent mafia player or a townie who's not very cautious to how he's being perceived.
if he's a pretty transparent mafia player, the vote on fuba would not be in line with previous behavior.
not as confident with this read as i am with grackapack -- would like to hear his current reads. previously everyone was operating under the assumption he was an overwhelmed newbie, but he's actually played quite a few games so it's very possible i'm underestimating him.
Who are you referring to in this post?
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On November 03 2013 07:38 Mig wrote:
Asinine you are definitely grasping at straws with your LJ analysis. Do you really think LJ is a better lynch than someone like Oats? What are your thoughts on Oats?
I am here now Pandain!
I'm not grasping at straws. Read my post. I'll post about Oats in a minute. I think he's a good bet for scum too.
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Two scum down. I'll be back later. Not really all that worried about being lynched. We are way ahead.
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I apologize for not being around. There have been a few personal issues taking up my time.
I think most people have already decided I am mafia because I defended fuba and he flipped scum. However, no one is looking at my motivations. All of you are just looking at the results.
Yes, I hard-defended someone who flipped scum. Does that really make me scum? Would scum hard-defend a teammate on Day 1 when they can afford to bus one of their members? I'll let you decide. It's a matter of common sense. I'd have to be mentally retarded to defend fuba, attack hzflank, and then night kill hzflank to make myself look even worse.
Just read my filter if you're still not convinced. Consider my motivations as town. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will.
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I'll try to be more active but today is quite a busy day. If I survive the lynch, I'll be extremely active tomorrow. Just filter me and follow Pandain to victory.
Two of tehpoofter/bereft/laughingjack are scum. I don't know which ones, but I'm going to defer to Pandain's judgement here.
##vote: Bereft
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On November 05 2013 02:45 Mig wrote:
Asinine who do you think the mafia are?
Outside of that previous circle I mentioned, I could see JJD/Stutters/Odin/Hopeless possibly being scum.
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On November 05 2013 02:48 Laughing Jack wrote:
Asinine,
If you're town, why are your reads so useless and shallow?
Why haven't you been active?
That you defended fuba is scummy, and yes scum does that and use the exact argument you're using to play it off.
if you don't want to die you're going to put in some serious fucking effort today.
This is clearly a matter of opinion on your part. My reads haven't been useless or shallow. If I recall, you too thought hzflank was scum on Day 1. Is it not hypocritical of you to vote someone who has agreed with you for the majority of the game?
I've already explained my lack of activity.
What is with these questions? Are you trying to antagonize me? These questions serve no purpose. Of course I won't think my reads are useless or shallow. That is a presumptuous bait.
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On November 05 2013 02:56 Pandain wrote:
Although Jack eating his hat is amusing
I can't wait. :D
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On November 05 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Asinine, what changed between the immediate aftermath of the Fuba lynch and when you disappeared that made me go from (as far as I can tell) one of your top suspects to just I could be scum?
I thought you had voted fuba after his lynch had gained a decisive majority. After I realized I was wrong, I downgraded you to only possible scum.
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On November 05 2013 03:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 03:06 Asinine wrote:On November 05 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Asinine, what changed between the immediate aftermath of the Fuba lynch and when you disappeared that made me go from (as far as I can tell) one of your top suspects to just I could be scum? I thought you had voted fuba after his lynch had gained a decisive majority. After I realized I was wrong, I downgraded you to only possible scum. So then whet did you mean by this post from right before the flip? Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 08:51 Asinine wrote:
That Stutters vote is soooo suspicious if fuba flips town. Let's not forget that post.
Yeah, read my posts after that post...
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Did no one actually read my filter in full? No wonder everyone is voting me...
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On November 05 2013 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 02:56 Asinine wrote:On November 05 2013 02:48 Laughing Jack wrote:
Asinine,
If you're town, why are your reads so useless and shallow?
Why haven't you been active?
That you defended fuba is scummy, and yes scum does that and use the exact argument you're using to play it off.
if you don't want to die you're going to put in some serious fucking effort today. This is clearly a matter of opinion on your part. My reads haven't been useless or shallow. If I recall, you too thought hzflank was scum on Day 1. Is it not hypocritical of you to vote someone who has agreed with you for the majority of the game? I've already explained my lack of activity. What is with these questions? Are you trying to antagonize me? These questions serve no purpose. Of course I won't think my reads are useless or shallow. That is a presumptuous bait. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 02:45 Asinine wrote:
I'll try to be more active but today is quite a busy day. If I survive the lynch, I'll be extremely active tomorrow. Just filter me and follow Pandain to victory.
Two of tehpoofter/bereft/laughingjack are scum. I don't know which ones, but I'm going to defer to Pandain's judgement here.
##vote: Bereft Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 02:47 Asinine wrote:On November 05 2013 02:45 Mig wrote:
Asinine who do you think the mafia are?
Outside of that previous circle I mentioned, I could see JJD/Stutters/Odin/Hopeless possibly being scum.
Let us review. The Player list for this game: Red = known scum Green = known/almost confirmed town Bold = people Asinine thinks could be scum Blue = people Asinine does not consider for possible scum -
Oatsmaster
- Mig
- mkfuba07
- OdinOfPergo
- Tehpoofter
- Stutters695
- Pandain
- Hopeless1der
- Bereft
- Asinine (By default)
- Grackaroni
- JarJarDrinks
- LaughingJack
- hzflank
So once more for those that don't feel like counting, Asinine has rattled off 7/14 players for scum where 3 are already dead, 1 is almost confirmed town, 1 is himself and 1 is the guy he's currently attempting to curry favor with. That gives him a pool of 8 players to identify the scum from. He's fingered 87% of the player base as "possible scum". Explain to me again how your reads are meaningful and fleshed out, because I dont see it Asinine. You do not deserve to live in this game any longer.
You've never even addressed my reads at all. You are pointing out meaningless shit right now. I've already said 2/3 scum are in Bereft/LJ/Tehpoofter. These are my scum reads. In the event that both are not in that group, then we should look in that secondary group. I never said they were all equally likely to flip scum.
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