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On October 28 2013 18:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 18:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 28 2013 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Prome, what does that "i reserve judgement on marv for now" mean? I found it odd that he came in saying "power me up", then when people actually did that he says this: On October 28 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
I would genuinely rather people didn't twerk right now btw, despite saying a little bit ago that people can feel free. Why? Oats is right here, if you are town, why would you possibly not want people to power you up? Or if you have a reason for it, why bring up the "power me like this" in the first place? This really is a bad post rayn. At best you're making things out to be not what they actually are; why I don't know. You say I came in saying "power me up". Well: On October 28 2013 06:19 marvellosity wrote:
So... I'm going to need a bunch of you to ##twerk for me at some point. :/ Yes, I say that I'm going to need powering me up, but I literally do not ask people to power me up at that juncture. I specifically say "at some point". Why not bring it up? At some point, I will need people to ##twerk for me. It's very simple. Might as well mention it now, so it doesn't come as a shock to people later in the day. You then ask why I would possibly not want people to power me up? Well... On October 28 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
There's a somewhat subtle aspect to it that makes me want to leave it until later in the day, because in part it relies on my reads on players. That's also been answered already. Why are you throwing suspicion on me for stuff that's already pretty clear in the thread, rayn? Because you go from this: On October 28 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:On October 28 2013 06:34 HotCottonCandy wrote:
also marvellosity what does your ##twerk thing consist of? is this also something we should activate during the day? I have certain abilities at night that I can use based on how many people ##Twerk for me during the day. I think I'd rather deal with it a bit later in the day though, although I'm not going to stop anyone doing it if they want to. ...to this: On October 28 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
I would genuinely rather people didn't twerk right now btw, despite saying a little bit ago that people can feel free. in 20 min, and inbetween here i do twerk you, and Sentinel does twerk you. Like you are okay with people twerking you but when people actually do it you don't want it anymore. All this means is that I hadn't thought it through completely yet. And that I didn't expect anyone to actually go ahead and do it without me specifically asking them to. Can you even conceive of a mafia motivation why I'd, in general terms, ask for something, and then kinda back off wanting it after someone does it? Because that's kinda what you're suggesting, and it's incredibly weak.
To me it sounded like "i might need someone to do something for me at some point, but if you want to do this now, go ahead". In the first place that does not sound townie at all. Okay, you might bring that up as town, you might aswell bring that up as mafia (because why not, regardless of alignment). I do not know why you would however bring that up as either alignment if you had not thought it through. If you had to bring that up as soon as possible (why would you?), why not then advice people with "please, do not do that yet" in the first place, before people actually start doing twerking? Also why did you not say - when we included your name (incorrect action) - "STOP, DON'T DO IT YET" if it was somehow harmful?
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On October 28 2013 19:05 Promethelax wrote:
I had a similar reaction to marv's on reading the small print in my role pm. You'll note that moment was when I told Marv to not ##yolo me. I assume he has similar mechanics at work in his role and you, Rayn, have to trust me on this one: it makes sense,
Well if marv is town, this is true, and i fucked up something i am sorry. But i base my actions on what i know, not on what i do not know as i can't unfortunately possibly do that.
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I hope you didn't finish already marv..
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On October 28 2013 21:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I hope you didn't finish already marv.. Why not? I see no reason to force things 12 hours or so into the game. I've said what I want to say for now. Weird that you're having a go at me for this when in Hogwarts Mocsta+Hopeless+possibly others had a big go at me for "only" talking about revealing houses when a bunch of other stuff had gone on in the thread.
So i guess your reads from what i have gathered so far are scumread on Seuss, townread on Prome and idk on everyone else you commented on?
There is this Pandabearguy who currently has three votes on him. Do you have anything to say about him atm?
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What the hell are you marv, third faction?
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Oats what makes you think marv is town?
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On October 28 2013 22:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont actually think he will play scum the same way as he did previously, that was a long time ago, but this game fits a lot into town marv. He doesnt wanna talk about people he doesnt want to talk about.
i dunno, its hard to express for me. But it doesnt feel like marv is trying to trick us into powering him up.
I just read scum!marv and town!marv D1's and this apathy of his does not fit into each one of them. Then i read Catch 22 and it doesn't fit into there. I have no fucking idea what to think. 4th party? Since when has marv not commented on the leading lynch candidate in no way as any alignment?
marv what do you you want to talk about? Or are you just going to watch what happens and then what? And why?
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On October 28 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 22:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont actually think he will play scum the same way as he did previously, that was a long time ago, but this game fits a lot into town marv. He doesnt wanna talk about people he doesnt want to talk about.
i dunno, its hard to express for me. But it doesnt feel like marv is trying to trick us into powering him up. I just read scum!marv and town!marv D1's and this apathy of his does not fit into each one of them. Then i read Catch 22 and it doesn't fit into there. I have no fucking idea what to think. 4th party? Since when has marv not commented on the leading lynch candidate in no way as any alignment? marv what do you you want to talk about? Or are you just going to watch what happens and then what? And why? why dont you read his more recent games?
What, i read Hogwarts and Golden Sun D1's. If there is more recent town/scum games from him feel free to point them out. Afaik marv has not rolled 3p since Catch 22...
On October 28 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also Rayn, what apathy? That he doesnt want to talk about Pandain? He does this shit in every game.
He does not comment on what me & you have said about Pandain. He does not comment on Prome's weird "gut scum read on Pandain with no real reasoning". He does not really do anything about his suspicion on Seuss. He points out something that looks bad but doesn't really follow that up in any way. In fact all his posts just point out something without actually trying to do anything to form a better read on anyone (barring WoS - maybe). He just *is* here, but he is not doing anything.
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Okay marv this looks much better. First things first. You will not get the PM until the deadline, i asked about it from the hosts. This is important. As that is the case, consider my twerk null. Another interesting thing. Your Promethelax "townslip" thingy, or what makes you think he is town. I find that reasonable, although i am not sure if i agree with that. I know i could, as scum, do what you are giving Prome a townread for. What is really interesting about it is WoS' reaction to the post. He doesn't seem to be agreeing with what you said as his vote yet remains on Prome. That's not what's weird in it however, what is weird is that he does not address the post in any way, he just let's it be like it didn't happen. If he thinks that does not make Prome town, why not say "i disagree" or something, as, by default, he should disagree with the post in case he still has a scumread on Prome.
WaveofShadow why did you not say at any point, that you disagree with marv's reasoning about Prome being town and how does that not make sense? Why you just skip over the post and not address it in any way?
I agree what's been said about Clarity, his case on Oats makes no sense given Oats' play this game and their history. If anything, Oats could be scum for making more sense than usual, but the reasons Clarity brings up are definitely bullshit. ^^
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something.
Prome, what do you think of marv's reasoning on you being town? Do you think he is right in what he says?
I also agree with what's been said about Koshi. He's really "quiet" and doesn't seem to be trying to do anything...
On an unrelated note (and i just post this because this is what has been bothering me in mafia sonce forever):
+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 16:32 OOHCHILD wrote:On October 28 2013 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 15:57 OOHCHILD wrote:
I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I have an important question for those who have not yet fully claimed.
Could your power belong to either town or mafia? Mine could. I would like to ask a counter-questions (which should answer yours aswell). What would be a role that could not possibly be a role for both alignments? Also why is this so important? After I answer you, this conversation is done as far as I am concerned. Just know that you should not expect me to answer any follow up questions you have.What would be a role that could not possibly be a role for both alignments?
I don't know. Also why is this so important? I do not trust you to understand this complicated idea, so I am not going to waste my time trying to explain it.Nice to meet you Raynpelikoneet. Your name sounds like it belongs to a species of beautiful, tropical parrot! This is the attempt I'm going to make to reach out to you. I'm doing so under the assumption that you're a new(er) player. Firstly, and it's been mentioned already, there is absolutely no reason to shut down discussion like you have here. If you're town, then being open and frank about your thought process is an exceedingly good way to prove your alignment, which is obviously a pretty damn important thing. Secondly, you have absolutely no reason to condescend to someone like you've done here. It might be vaguely understandable if you were a known excellent player who had the clout to condescend, but you aren't (as far as I'm aware). There is literally no benefit to belittle rayn like this while he is trying to question you. My problem with you, and it's a large one, is this. On one hand you are doing: 1) telling people how they will have conversations with you, arrogantly condescending to you and on the other hand you are doing this: 2) going "oh gosh, i want to vote for this player, how do I do it hehehehe?" (my sexy paraphrasing) This is a pretty unfortunate mix of arrogance and playing the newbie card. If you're town, shape up. Goddamn marv, i envy you. Purely because these kinda posts are the reason that makes me understand why you are listened in these games and i am not.
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On October 29 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
It'll be interesting to see a game in which Koshi and Rayn aren't all up in each other's butts, to be sure.
I am not sure what you mean by this? Do you mean me and Koshi should be pressuring each other? Or do you mean we should read each other as town? I really don't know what "all up in each other's butt" mean.
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On October 29 2013 04:21 Koshi wrote:
I think he is saying that we have different opinions this game and that it is likely that we will be more likely fighting than working together. Which I doubt is true and I don't understand why he says that because I have been reaching out to rayn.
Last guy that was trying to come between rayn and Koshi was Vayne in Golden Sun. Just saying, just saying.
I actually already wrote a more agressive post regarding this but deleted it because i was not sure what WoS does mean.
If this is the truth then WoS looks really bad. He is implying something we "should be doing" without saying if it's scummy or townie or whatever. Like saying "i find it odd these guys are not doing XYZ like they usually do in situation ABC" without really saying what it means.
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Koshi why do you think Pandain is not scum?
Also what does you having hrd time finding scum this game tell you?
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On October 29 2013 05:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 04:45 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something Sorry, you got lost in the shuffle. I saw your point about Pandain's initial attack, but didn't respond directly since I was trying to catch up on the rest of the thread. I concede your point on Pandain's initial attack. That was obviously a joke and Pandain should definitely have dropped that line of attack. We were talking past each other a lot earlier, as I was focused primarily on your delegate/undelegate and you must have been focused on your joke.For the record your delegate/undelegate still bothers me. I looked through your arguments and your only defense when Pandain brought it up was to deflect attention by bringing up his fixation on your first joke action, so I don't think this is particularly resolved (though you obviously undid whatever it was). That said, with Pandain and Clarity_nl up on the chopping block right now that's a matter which can rest until later, especially as marvellosity will possibly have some new insights on it tomorrow. I touched on this earlier, both in this post and in an earlier one, but I agree with Oatsmaster that Pandain's unwillingness to drop his vote when it was clear you were joking is suspicious. If that was all there was to it I'd write it off as a mistake, but he came out with that weak "late night emotions" excuse, and since hasn't been doing a good job arguing in his defense. He's got one post and all it says is: On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote:On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently  The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall It's just another weak excuse. Maybe I'm misreading, but it sounds like he's saying his own reasons for keeping his vote on your are no longer valid, so why is his vote still on you? I don't get it. Regarding Clarity_nl, I understand why people think he's a decent target but I'm not sold on it. I do find his recent thread exit conspicuous and confusing, but as a scum play it's seems bad to run in, make people think you're scum, and exit stage right. The criticism of his initial post was warranted, but for most of his follow up posts if you'd hidden the names and made me try to choose between him, Oatsmaster, and you (rayn) I wouldn't have been able to do it. This is all made more awkward by the fact that neither Pandain nor Clarity_nl are here to defend themselves any more. While I was writing this we apparently started analyzing Koshi, so at least we won't be listless. The bolded part. I especially stated i am not talking about my power use on marv (like Oats pointed out aswell - Pandain called out my first obvjoke). About the power use. Pandain should know, that if anyone in this game, i am able to fake this kinda stuff. My question to you still stands (same thing i asked from Pandain). Why is he calling me out on something that he can't even know what it means. There is no possible way he can know what power i used on marv. Like Prome said it earlier, what if it is a mason power? Why bring up something that you can't possibly say is alignment indicative given the information you have available? To me it looks like he is calling me out for the sake of calling me out. There is absolutely no reason anyone should think i am scum because of i used a power on marv, as you can't possibly tell what the power in question is. That's a fact and i do not know why Pandain makes a case on me based on that (and other stupid stuff) and why you do feel the same.
goddamn. for filter.
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And i did not undo anything, as i assume power uses cannot be undone.
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God Pandain, again. How am i buddying marv?
Also do you remember the talks in our scum QT of Noir?
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But tbh i am flattered by the fact that you call me a good player. <3
Why are you buddying me (this is a semi-serious question ^^)?
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On October 29 2013 05:13 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 29 2013 05:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 29 2013 04:45 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something Sorry, you got lost in the shuffle. I saw your point about Pandain's initial attack, but didn't respond directly since I was trying to catch up on the rest of the thread. I concede your point on Pandain's initial attack. That was obviously a joke and Pandain should definitely have dropped that line of attack. We were talking past each other a lot earlier, as I was focused primarily on your delegate/undelegate and you must have been focused on your joke.For the record your delegate/undelegate still bothers me. I looked through your arguments and your only defense when Pandain brought it up was to deflect attention by bringing up his fixation on your first joke action, so I don't think this is particularly resolved (though you obviously undid whatever it was). That said, with Pandain and Clarity_nl up on the chopping block right now that's a matter which can rest until later, especially as marvellosity will possibly have some new insights on it tomorrow. I touched on this earlier, both in this post and in an earlier one, but I agree with Oatsmaster that Pandain's unwillingness to drop his vote when it was clear you were joking is suspicious. If that was all there was to it I'd write it off as a mistake, but he came out with that weak "late night emotions" excuse, and since hasn't been doing a good job arguing in his defense. He's got one post and all it says is: On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote:On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall It's just another weak excuse. Maybe I'm misreading, but it sounds like he's saying his own reasons for keeping his vote on your are no longer valid, so why is his vote still on you? I don't get it. Regarding Clarity_nl, I understand why people think he's a decent target but I'm not sold on it. I do find his recent thread exit conspicuous and confusing, but as a scum play it's seems bad to run in, make people think you're scum, and exit stage right. The criticism of his initial post was warranted, but for most of his follow up posts if you'd hidden the names and made me try to choose between him, Oatsmaster, and you (rayn) I wouldn't have been able to do it. This is all made more awkward by the fact that neither Pandain nor Clarity_nl are here to defend themselves any more. While I was writing this we apparently started analyzing Koshi, so at least we won't be listless. The bolded part. I especially stated i am not talking about my power use on marv (like Oats pointed out aswell - Pandain called out my first obvjoke). About the power use. Pandain should know, that if anyone in this game, i am able to fake this kinda stuff. My question to you still stands (same thing i asked from Pandain). Why is he calling me out on something that he can't even know what it means. There is no possible way he can know what power i used on marv. Like Prome said it earlier, what if it is a mason power? Why bring up something that you can't possibly say is alignment indicative given the information you have available? To me it looks like he is calling me out for the sake of calling me out. There is absolutely no reason anyone should think i am scum because of i used a power on marv, as you can't possibly tell what the power in question is. That's a fact and i do not know why Pandain makes a case on me based on that (and other stupid stuff) and why you do feel the same. goddamn. for filter. By itself your use of a power on marv is not proof of scumhood, it's just a point of data. Like it or not, it's going to fit into the narrative of raynpelikoneet for the rest of the game. It stands out amongst everything else you've done because it's an actual use of power and marv is going to reap the consequences or benefits tonight. I don't think anyone can make a case against you solely based on that, but you're probably going to be hearing a lot about it as the game goes on. Thanks for clarifying that you didn't succeed in cancelling it by the way. Although it would likely have come out tomorrow anyway, it's useful information.
Of course it's a point of data. Everything is a point of data. Do you think a scum player would be more likely to out their power to someone who is town? Or do you think we are both scum with marv? Why would i as scum make a possibly target of myself regarding my power and uses of it (in case you think marv is town). How does that make sense? In case i am scum and marv is town i have given out my power and i will be held responsible of how i use it. I have no way to fuck up the town with it, i must do what's in town's best interest regarding my power and if i fail i will get lynched for it.
So why is this again scummy for you in the first place?
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Pandain are you familiar with Seuss' play in general? I do not think the read on SnB you bolded red is anything alignment indicative, having read his coach QT with WoS. Could you look at it and tell me your updated read on that. here:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/GDUTeMStcTY
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On October 29 2013 05:38 Pandain wrote:
In that post you praised Marvs posts and basically promoted it as an example of good town play. Scum dont want that to happen yet for reasons stated.
I don't actually mean buddying I mean being friendly to
The fact is you said very early on i buddied up to marv (which was incorrect), and now the spoiler you brought up is nothing alignment indicative from marv. It is a good post bet he is capable of doing that as either alignment, i like how the post presents things. And that's not buddying, it's just saying i can see why marv is good at convincing people and i lack something he has got because i doubt i could never make a post like that. That post does not to me look like a very townie post, it looks like a very convincing and reasonable one.
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EBWOP: God i am bad at expressing myself, but i think you guys get what i mean.
Pandain, afaik your vote is still on me, where do you want to put it and why?
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