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However my time schedule is always messed up and I will post at different times of the day. | ||
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Honestly I was a bit upset that you guys are overcharacterizing my push when it was my best read at an early time and I was simply sharing it which was more then you guys were doing with circlejerk power-upping. I like Rayn's later play and found justifications for his play which I won't talk about, but I may have misread him early on. Still, ignoring that I think I would have a good read for this time. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment. Which for future reference is a bad move to power up someone on a single scum/town tell. Furthermore you should know that Marv or any player should be ideally good enough as scum to not outright advocate power-upping themselves. | ||
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What was I supposed to do? | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain since you are here, you have yet to explain the WoS read. I already explained it. I said as an addendum that I was also slightly suspicious of WoS and I explained why. You then seem to not understand that I may have reasons for suspecting someone which are different then yours. On October 28 2013 13:30 Promethelax wrote: And why did you choose to not power the other three? I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv. Pandain, talk to me about Rayn, why is your vote on him? What were you hoping to accomplish by announcing your return to the thread and if you had to pick one of the people who claims to need to be powered up which would you power up! I saw a post which said "I'll talk to Pan when he's here" so figure I won't just randomly lurk. My vote is on him originally because he did a whole bunch of scum tells which are indicative of scum. It's not certain or definitive, but it's a read that I had. It got further bolstered by later posts until I had a realization about why he may have revealed his power to Marv, which means I couldn't make my original assumption of limited facts. I don't want to power up anyone because it's like the first three hours of day one. I don't mind other people doing it that much because I think it's retarded, because ultimately I don't think scum would be that bold trying to get themselves powered up at first(so first two are safe); although of course that's not definitive. If I had to power up anyone it would be Koshi because he's posting like a town Koshi for me. + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so here is it in full. marv came up in thread with this: Then he says this: And this: rayn thought process: "marv needs people to power him up. There are other people who also needs powering up. Let's power marv up, especially when he suddenly doesn't want people to power him up, maybe... This is what most likely happens: (1) marv is town, he does good stuff with his powers (2) if he does bad stuff with his powers, or suddenly does not have a power-up power at all, he is probably scum (3) something else, we gain info" Now i do not trust Koshi's (or anyone's else's) ability to do good stuff on D1 or N1 with their power in this game other than you, myself, and marv (no offense to anyone). I also powered up Sentinel because his power would be incredibly easy to fake as scum. "Hey guys, i only need 14 "votes" on me and then i can do good". I really want to know what he does, at worst, he is scum and something bad happens, but it's one time use (as he claimed - if he is lying, we lynch him) and i wanted to confirm that he is not lying and make him burn his power asap because he apparently thinks it's best to use now as he didn't oppose the powering. It gives me a much better read on him based on what the power is. That being said: ##yolo Promethelax Oh god this is awful reasoning I like Oats so far On October 28 2013 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow wow wow buddy. I don't understand the "Pandain might be trying to trap you", could you elaborate what you mean? I was totally not buddying marv, in fact it was the opposite as i just explained rofl. Now, how is that "clear for everyone that i used a power on marv"? Why can't i just type like ##kill Seuss , did i use a power on you now? Pandain somehow seems to know that i used a power on him, what's wrong with the question? Because if Pandain is scum he would know i am town and townies usually do not lie about using powers. Either you totally bullshitted and bullshitted for three posts which I couldn't know you were lying or it's super obvious that you used a power on Marv. On October 28 2013 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: And tbh Pandain should know i am the most likely person in this game to lie about using a power in the first place regardless of my alignment.. That's why the point he brings on me is extremely ridicuous. What? I agree with WoS Prom is suspicious. If anything don't defend me for try-hardyness. If I make a poor case, even if i seem to try hard, and keep going on it, and people in that situation if I made a bad case would easily refute me (wich dey didn't btw), then I shouldn't keep with it. Poor reason to defend a townie who seems suspicious (but really shouldn't be cuz if you look deeper he's town). See: All my games where I buddy a supicious townie r u On October 28 2013 14:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did it ever occur to you that i am not bad enough to use "deadly power" on someone based on 1 post? We see your play differently then. To clarify again for everyone early suspicions on Prom aren't substantial, yet. Just indications. Nothing will be solidified until probably after I wake up in 12 hours. | ||
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Because that's what was happening | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:37 Oatsmaster wrote: You like me Pandain but you dont care that I think you are scum? Plenty of people always think I'm scum. | ||
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This is why I don't post usually in the early game because I need time to focus. This game isn't looking well for me | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain why are you using this as a reasoning to why i am scum when it's clear that you voted for me because of my earlier "power use" that should have been an obvious joke for you? That's why I originally voted you not while my vote on you stayed. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:45 Promethelax wrote: He didn't want to give out the game because it was personally embarrassing. But when pressed he went ahead with it without putting up any real fight. That seems to me to be the action of a scum trying to be seen as working hard for a better town environment (the classic "please post your filter from that game" scum tactic where one tries to appear involved) without actually adding anything to the town. Were I a townie embarrassed of a past game I'd refuse to post it, he didn't really fight it. Also the most recent post on me being scummy is, well, scummy. If he wanted to call me scum he could have made a case. Instead he quote padded his post to talk at you and added his attack on me in one line and concluded that I was scummy while leaving himself an out. I'd take pandain is likely red with koshi. What? I posted it to avoid suspicion or what he would probably inevitably do and make a dumb argument about how it was a scum slip and this was therefore my fourth mafia game. Also I have to own up to my signs eventually | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain why are you saying you look bad yourself? If you are town you are supposed to be right and your posting now does not imply you yourself think you are right.. ##Vote: Pandain It's more emotion posting in me late at night. Even as town you're supposed to appear town, it doesn't matter really what you know you are. And I've posted, I don't think bad, but too early and people jumped on it and I don't like being under suspicion especially late at night when I'm emotional. Going to go afk and sleep, I'll be back tomorrow. | ||
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On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + He has also already posted 6 pages worth of shit, and they're all good. Indicative of town He really thought hard about Prom and I love what he said about Prom being way too cocky, I actually had a null read on him but now I think I have a moderate town read on him, probably not as "sure" in it as Marv. + Show Spoiler + he also wasn't a dick to me Originally I disagreed with Seuss being scummy but now I agree, with some addendums. Here is Marv's post: On October 28 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote: The bolded sentence looks like fairly baseless and unwarranted criticism. Given I, and presumably others, actually literally require people to type specific things in the thread to use our powers, how else should we have gone about it, in your opinion? I can't keep the entirety of my role a secret, because then I don't have a role. To the underlined, we've already had one vanilla town claim; are you calling that player a liar? Are you disagreeing with at least one other player (that I forget) who suggested it's unlikely we all have powers? To the red, interesting that your mindset is to try to workout what powers these blues/powers have. Why would you even speculate on that right now if you're town? Much more of a mafia mindset. I don't like your whole post basically. However I disagree with this slight suspicion of Seuss. Now if Seuss had written out his post during the course of 5 hours and thought very clearly and wanted to be 100% consistant, it would be suspicious (though still not scummy). His bolded statement mirrored my thoughts and is a defendable statement even if it isn't 100% justifiable since yes some people need others for their powers. The underlined is clearly just poor reading and doesn't indicate scum. The red statement is interesting however and important to think about. There are better reasons to be suspicious of Seuss On October 28 2013 23:29 Seuss wrote: Yay stamp of approval. Now that I'm not distracted by marv here are my current thoughts. Promethelax: Probably town. When I, an unknown entity, entered the thread his first response was to solicit my opinion in a neutral way, and keep drawing more information from me regarding my mindset. This was good, pro-town play, as it lets him and everyone else get the chance to form a read on me. In general I'd call him inquisitive, he likes poking where there's gaps in information. He's been a bit more confrontational with some of the other posters, but confrontational isn't inherently anti-town. Without him we'd probably know a lot less right now. I can get why people would find his "I can't meta Pandain" and apparent lack of scum reads concerning, but on the whole I think he's clearly town. strongandbig: No idea, but unless he starts posting a crapton before the voting deadline I think we're better off pursuing someone else. We stand to learn absolutely nothing by lynching him, though applying pressure might help loosen his tongue. Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like. You guys move faster than I can analyze and parse. Waugh. Very poor post, list format instead of comprehensive. Also what is the middle paragraph which is a basic "I don't know." Also his other posts are really wishy-washy and constantly changing. I do think he's worth looking out for though shouldn't be a lynch target today. I do agree Clarity is suspicious, made a poor post which only focused on one person. It is so incredibly assumption based and wouldn't be what I expect Clarity to be suspicious of. He says Oats is suspicious because he didn't add to what someone else said. On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote: So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain. I don't know why but this post bothers me Then Marv calls him out and he immediately back tracks I also think Koshi is suspicious. Where is carefree Koshi? He's so defensive. He also isn't attempting to buddy Rayn which I have seen in all my past games which I'm pretty sure they've both been in them all. | ||
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However if it's anything else there's no real justification for it as it reveals your role, unless, I forgot, the purpose of the role itself is to reveal it! You also upped your game and are being town. I forgot another thing, this: On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay marv this looks much better. First things first. You will not get the PM until the deadline, i asked about it from the hosts. This is important. As that is the case, consider my twerk null. Another interesting thing. Your Promethelax "townslip" thingy, or what makes you think he is town. I find that reasonable, although i am not sure if i agree with that. I know i could, as scum, do what you are giving Prome a townread for. What is really interesting about it is WoS' reaction to the post. He doesn't seem to be agreeing with what you said as his vote yet remains on Prome. That's not what's weird in it however, what is weird is that he does not address the post in any way, he just let's it be like it didn't happen. If he thinks that does not make Prome town, why not say "i disagree" or something, as, by default, he should disagree with the post in case he still has a scumread on Prome. WaveofShadow why did you not say at any point, that you disagree with marv's reasoning about Prome being town and how does that not make sense? Why you just skip over the post and not address it in any way? I agree what's been said about Clarity, his case on Oats makes no sense given Oats' play this game and their history. If anything, Oats could be scum for making more sense than usual, but the reasons Clarity brings up are definitely bullshit. ^^ Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something. Prome, what do you think of marv's reasoning on you being town? Do you think he is right in what he says? I also agree with what's been said about Koshi. He's really "quiet" and doesn't seem to be trying to do anything... On an unrelated note (and i just post this because this is what has been bothering me in mafia sonce forever): + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote: This is the attempt I'm going to make to reach out to you. I'm doing so under the assumption that you're a new(er) player. Firstly, and it's been mentioned already, there is absolutely no reason to shut down discussion like you have here. If you're town, then being open and frank about your thought process is an exceedingly good way to prove your alignment, which is obviously a pretty damn important thing. Secondly, you have absolutely no reason to condescend to someone like you've done here. It might be vaguely understandable if you were a known excellent player who had the clout to condescend, but you aren't (as far as I'm aware). There is literally no benefit to belittle rayn like this while he is trying to question you. My problem with you, and it's a large one, is this. On one hand you are doing: 1) telling people how they will have conversations with you, arrogantly condescending to you and on the other hand you are doing this: 2) going "oh gosh, i want to vote for this player, how do I do it hehehehe?" (my sexy paraphrasing) This is a pretty unfortunate mix of arrogance and playing the newbie card. If you're town, shape up. Goddamn marv, i envy you. Purely because these kinda posts are the reason that makes me understand why you are listened in these games and i am not. This post is so town in a number of ways. Comprehensive, shows interest in getting opinion out. Good points, so either I'm bad or we're on same scum trail And the last post really strikes me as such a town thing to do. It's really hard to fake those kinds of posts. Rayn is obviously trying to prove himself in this game since there are so many other good players and he has recently wanted to try to up his game to the next level. It's dangerous to buddy Marv because that encourages doctors to save him or at least promotes him staying alive and a town marv is such a huge boon for town. Or they're both mafia which is way more unlikely. | ||
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