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On October 16 2013 09:59 StorrZerg wrote: Are personal coaches ok? Only if I am town, and get to coach someone on the scum team | ||
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On October 16 2013 16:55 AxleGreaser wrote: Sorry for injecting a real (yet rhetorical) question but would you be happier if the standard of play was higher or lower than some recent games? would you even if you were scum feel a greater sense of accomplishment beating a town that wasn't ripping itself to bits and imploding for you? also not actually a question in response to Mocsta After my last performance, I am not in a position to really comment on improving town. As scum though, I think a win is a win. You have to adapt to your environment, and if town is imploding and you sit there and let it run its course. That is probably a better and more viable alternative than to meddle with things, and risk town getting back on track. I think a lot of people forget that. | ||
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Firstly, I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly? Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game. i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc. Secondly, Raynkonoshi, can you please confirm that because no posts have been signed by Rayn; you are responsible for every post made by your hydra so far? Thirdly, I have no opinion on the skanjab stuff so far. I'm acknowledging it occured because obvious thats the biggest matter going on in the thread so far; but I need to re-read it all again before stating an opinion. Lastly, I'm not sure if this is right play to do in a themed closed game. But in a normal I believe you are meant to do this. I am a self-aware miller. After my doctor fake-claims as town last game, I can understand those that refuse to believe this. So if this ends up in my lynch, so be it. | ||
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On October 17 2013 09:10 LastArgument wrote: No, it didn't, in your example town is hindered, not mafia. And to repeat, it's information mafia are very likely in possession of already, whereas town are not. Why are you finding this difficult to comprehend? Out of everything in the thread thus far. Why is it that you are purely commenting on that item? Can you guarantee scum know who is what house? Heres a tidbit.. in GoT... a player took the exact same stance you did... that player flipped scum What is your opinion on the rest of the thread; for example, what do you make of I-Be-So-Pro interchanges with Supersoft. | ||
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On October 17 2013 09:21 LastArgument wrote: You didn't answer my question, Mocsta. I presume you are referring to: On October 17 2013 08:57 LastArgument wrote: The game is a closed setup. Anything I think outside my role is WIFOM.I don't understand any of this reasoning. The only situation where mafia don't understand the exact player make-up of each house is when all the mafia are stacked in 1 or 2 houses. If they're in 3 houses they can obviously deduce the fourth. A mathematician will probably be able to tell you how likely it is that all mafia are in 2 or fewer houses, but I don't think the probability is very high. What information do you think mafia are being given by releasing the members of people's houses then? As I said before;
if town, the answer to both of the above should be no. So why give out mafia free information? Does this information help out town, more than it could help out mafia - I doubt it. Given that, why are you interjecting from Toad/Supersoft to divulge their reasoning? The sole basis of your argument is mathematics, when you, yourself have not provided any calculations other than your word stating it is "highly unlikely" which segues with the below. & The facts of the situation are that mafia very likely know who is in each house, and town do not know. Therefore giving town information that mafia are likely in possession of already is going to be a net benefit. You mention vague waffling; please explain why what you are espousing is the "Fact of the situation"What's the actual counter-argument to this other than vague waffling? Now that I answered your question. I will say again: On October 17 2013 09:18 Mocsta wrote: Out of everything in the thread thus far. Why is it that you are purely commenting on that item? Can you guarantee scum know who is what house? Heres a tidbit.. in GoT... a player took the exact same stance you did... that player flipped scum What is your opinion on the rest of the thread; for example, what do you make of I-Be-So-Pro interchanges with Supersoft. | ||
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On October 17 2013 09:37 Hopeless1der wrote: I inadvertently provided a poor example, and you're right my example shows why it would be good for town to know. Good news: I changed my mind and think you're right. Giving the information out keeps those who want it from claiming blue. However I want to read the GoT endgame discussion and setup before I do anything rash. Considering you asked me to look into Skanjab deeper. Why have you shown zero concern for LastArgument doing the same? | ||
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On October 17 2013 09:45 Hopeless1der wrote: I got sidetracked with his questioning moclogic and I'm still on my phone. You claiming miller and skanj still being fresh in my mind made me ask you since you were around. Firstly, only Geript says moclogic; so I'm not sure why you are coining the phrase suddenly. Secondly, out of everything in the thread (including skanjab and my SAM claim) - now that it has been pointed out - are you not concerned that LastArgument still chooses to not comment? Lastly, what is your current read on LastArgument? | ||
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Two of the big differences between GoT and this is: #1 - that was 6 houses of 4 #2 - houses had a lord with KP power As already pointed out, the only way mafia do not know the house distribution is if mafia is confined to two houses. So yes, I can see the point of view that mafia perhaps have this information already. I still dont understand how it would help to scum hunt, in particular Day1? We still have the flexibility to lynch any of the 24 people in the game - regardless of house. Aside from LastArgument, citing "information equality" I don't see a benefit; especially given a closed setup. That's all I have to say on the matter. I am not pleased with how LastArgument has gone about his business; but that does not necessarily make him scummy. Guarantees he is a douche though. Gotta re-read. Ciao. | ||
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On October 17 2013 15:15 Holyflare wrote: Also mocsta etc. Why did you leave so much out in your first post??? ? | ||
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On October 17 2013 17:16 yamato77 wrote: I mean, as town, why would the setup be the only thing you want to talk about? It makes more sense that he does this as mafia, in my opinion. I'm not 100%, but he's on the list. Interesting. I didn't take him to be a new player based on how manipulative I felt he was when conversing. Perhaps hes new to this forum; but I doubt he is new of mafia/debating. For me personally, I don't have confidence to assign his obsession with houses as a hardline town/scum tell. Other than the manipulation aspect: What I don't like, is how he went ad-hom into Hopeless1der to propel his argument. I am not sure what to make of how quickly Hopeless1der caved in, either. | ||
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On October 17 2013 17:25 Holyflare wrote: I have a distaste for koshi :/ Apparently it's really obvious when he's playing town or scum but I never see it, it's always spam to me. As for rayn I've only played 1 game with him and he was scum, I would be confident identifying his traits if he displayed them though. In terms of their posts so far. Toad was being aggressive on Skan and koshi jumped all over him after that, seemed a bit overloaded over something so small. Skan made sense for one or two of his points but there was still a lot of pointless nitpicking going on, on koshi's end. He kinda went absent after that so not sure if he was around for the rest of the conversations but Skan is also new so his responses are of course going to be flustered, would have assumed koshi would look at something like that instead of being so biased. These thoughts are synonymous with my own. My additions: Koshi surprised me, not with the spam, but the early try-hard "case". Toad is in my house, and said hes in class. I liked Toad nitpicking Supersoft on the our/town thing. But i find it really weird his response to my SAM claim. In the QT/thread he claims to have an anti-town role; but is of the opinion that 3 people in our house could have anti-town roles. That just confuses the fuck out of me. I thought Supersoft assessment was on point for Toad. Hes on hold for now - and is certainly not worth considering. If Pandain wants to give Grack a meta read based on Thug Life. My personal opinion is that Pandain is looking better than he did in Noir. I will give him slight town lean based on meta; and hopefully he can firm that up as the game proceeds. On Yamato: Im at loggerheads. Im pissed he suggested I was scum earlier and am somewhat dismayed by his lack of aura/presence when entering the thread. However, I like his pick-up on Mattchew as I felt the same way. On Syllo: I don't get the feeling from this game that he is interested in solving it/progressing it. The pressure on pandain didn't feel natural; and was dropped too easily/conveniently for my liking. Has anyone here played with Syllo enough to confirm if he is a slow starter? | ||
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On October 14 2013 05:47 EchelonTee wrote: slytherin pls Funny in hindsight So... with the toad dislike stuff. Are you writing that there to: - Clear ya chest? - Receive thread feedback? - Receive a response from Toad? - Insert other? Out of curiosity; assuming you wanted a response from Toad, why not ask in the QT? Or did you want this to be a highlight in the thread? | ||
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I guess that is why you are meant to F5 before posting. lol | ||
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On October 17 2013 18:34 EchelonTee wrote: Other than Toad not wanting you to dislike his play; there is nothing written here that Toad has to address. I really, really dislike this. The QT's are basically imperfect mason circles; while a mason circle with confirmed townies is extremely powerful to bounce reads off one another, one that almost definitely has scum in it is very open to manipulation. Any interesting information (people's town lists anyone?) that is listed in a QT, but not in the thread will still make it to the scum, giving them an edge. The QTs are also inferior compared to PM circles, as you can pick and choose who you PM and try to get share information only with people you believe to be town. The majority of the activity should be in thread. I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread, but hidden information in QTs is decisively negative. I'm also still considering if the town as a whole should decide on how to use the prizes from challenges or not; putting it up to a town vote would 1.) generate healthy discussion, 2.)allow the town to have more control how these power items will be used. In essence, your contribution was written as a generic observation or musing; henceforth my query. Perhaps i should have added that there is a Slytherin QT post from ET that suggests he finds Toad difficult to read/play with; but I don't see how that would have significant bearing. Lastly, On October 17 2013 18:59 EchelonTee wrote: 3.) receive a response from toad. That's why I quoted him instead of generally talking about QTs. Your post is quoted above. I did not see any Toad quotes? Again, I find it comprehend how this post in question invites any meaningful dialogue from the target (Toad). | ||
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ET Take a chill pill. This is the last I will say on the matter. Toad dislike stuff => You were talking about Toad & disliking an aspect of his play. Stop contorting what I am writing. Its plain & clear. As for the remainder; we can agree to disagree. Maybe old-school, new-school play different, i don't really care. i thought what you wrote is purely an observation on someone that is difficult to read.. so whats the point at this stage in the game. In my opinion if you were seeking genuine thread feedback; the effort is misplaced/unproductive. Everyone agrees Toad is hard to read; move on to the other scum targets. Hence why I thought it was a conversation more pertinent to the QT regardless of your stance on QT activity. Thats my PoV. I dont care if you take it or leave it. | ||
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On October 17 2013 19:41 LastArgument wrote: Yeah re-read. I take back the Hopeless ad-hom. I mis-read. Fair comment from you.+ Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 17:23 Mocsta wrote: Interesting. I didn't take him to be a new player based on how manipulative I felt he was when conversing. Perhaps hes new to this forum; but I doubt he is new of mafia/debating. For me personally, I don't have confidence to assign his obsession with houses as a hardline town/scum tell. Other than the manipulation aspect: What I don't like, is how he went ad-hom into Hopeless1der to propel his argument. I am not sure what to make of how quickly Hopeless1der caved in, either. Please explain what was ad-hom about my arguments. And why my arguments were in any way incorrect (they were not). Hopeless1der jumped all over me for questioning your post about the house reveal. In fact I would say he defended you quite irrationally, saying you were pro-town even if your logic might be incorrect (?). Further, he then tried to discredit the point of view I was putting forth by proposing an example of a player with a certain ability. On October 17 2013 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote: (Completely made up ability) polyjuice potion/roleblock and infiltrate target [house] player's QT. This ability fails if you guess the targets house incorrectly. Mocsta's tone is definitely protown, even if you don't like the logic. and furthered this with the not-very-rigorous Closed setups and contests and whatnot as a reason. In effect, Hopeless attempted to fabricate a scenario to discredit my point of view, as in the quote above, while at the same time telling me there was 'zero' potential benefit for revealing house members. He later backed down and agreed with me, perhaps realising that he was on the losing side of the argument with me. In addition, Hopeless repeatedly pressed Skanjab for a name that he was mysteriously referring to in one of his posts. He asked him again and again and again; finally Skanjab provided a name and Hopeless didn't even comment on it. What was the purpose of this? Finally Hopeless provides a "town side of null" read to me, which seems quite out of place given the condescension he used in his arguments with me. It's worth repeating that Pandain pointed out that Cephiro made a substantial post of sorts in his house-QT without posting in the thread. Tunkeg also made a fairly irrelevant post in our QT without any followup in thread. These are two players I would usually associate with getting stuck into the action. I agree that the town read on you was odd; as was his reaction to my SAM claim. If you want to talk about people posting in the QT but not the thread. Sn0 has made a handful of minor comments in the QT; and Skanjab has been active as well. Between the two, I have found Skanjab posts in the QT of more use than Sn0. Its hard to paraphrase though. | ||
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Been flat out at work; but caught up and re-read. I am comfortable with a lynch on the following people: Zaragon/Blazinghand Mattchew Onegu I don't care which of the three. These are people I am watching carefully; frankly, some of them would be in the above list if it wasn't for reputation: Syllogism Toad Sn0_Man or StorrZerg Complete Unknowns: Tunkeg Vayne Stutters Palmar The White Elephant in the Room On October 17 2013 23:27 Palmar wrote: @Mocsta: Why did you claim the self-aware miller? What's the point? What did you hope to achieve? (1) Why did I claim self-aware miller? On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote: I'm not sure if this is right play to do in a themed closed game. But in a normal I believe you are meant to do this. (2) Whats the point? IIRC, your video of "?Hero Mafia?" you went into the theoretical aspects of claiming SAM; and the outcome was to always claim the role as town. The point was to make the right play for town. (3) What was I hoping to achieve? I played really bad last game. Really bad. I have also been framed two games in a row (with a cop check). People find me hard to read. I was trying to be open with town and provide information that could help them. Either, policy lynch me; or obtain a read on me by judging my play, not a cop check (as has been the case recently) Mocsta, you're a dickhead.. you can't nominate people for lynch without reasoning KK, fair call. Zaragon His filter reads as try-hard to me. As in, he is *TRYING* to replicate aspects of his play from last game in Noir. In that game, I did a very deep stream of analysis on him and correctly diciphered town. His approach to the game is different, and its the small things that I noticed being different. Let me be selfish, and use a quote directed at me to explain: On October 17 2013 23:24 Zaragon wrote: On Mocsta, so far I'm getting the same vibe I had early Noir, towny by personality read with some suspicious hints. I'll put a light town lean on him. Honestly, maybe more than light, considering how that game turned out. This is a backhand compliment in its truest form. If you pay careful attention to zaragons posts here you will notice he is struggling to post; and when he does, they are all town reads essentially. Even when it comes to me; he tries to insinuate suspicion, but then can not follow through. This type of interaction is non-existent in Noir. Though he was a man of few words (as is the case here); there was a congruency in his posts which is absent in this game. BH the replacement doesn't look to be offering anything of value, either. Thus, I am comfortable with this slot being lynched. Mattchew He also had a shitty filter in Noir; and I did make a case on him that gained traction for a period of time (but he was town). Even though this filter is also shitty; in Noir, he still pushed an agenda (that was completely against the grain - lynch town marv). This game, he just feels like he is floating about, making side comments here and there and trying to ascertain what sticks. One of my biggest qualms with Mattchew is his timely delurk when Yamato enters the thread to comment on Raynkonoshi. On October 17 2013 10:38 Mattchew wrote: yo yam, does that mean your thinking what im thinking If Mattchew, really thought the same thing; why does he +1 instead of be an originator? (This is the best representation of floating to see what sticks) Also, On October 17 2013 10:58 Mattchew wrote: nothing, other than that he claimed miller in the first post and that was either really bold play as mafia or smart play as town On October 17 2013 10:59 Mattchew wrote: i want to change my use of "smart" to "correct" This sequence of posts has been bugging me, ever since it occurred. Specifically, why the need to insert this correction. Maybe I am reading into this too much; but, what clicked with me is the connotation. Bold vs Smart. Bold vs Correct. To me: "Correct" infers the alignment is unknown. As its standard play, standard procedure. The action becomes null as either alignment would do it. e.g. breaking up an argument in the thread -> the action can be the correct play for either alignment (its how you go about doing it that counts). Whereas, "Smart" I think is a much stronger word that actually infers he has a town read on me and is of the same opinion. i.e {If I was in his shoes, I would do the same thing - thats a smart thing to do} The point being; I think the word choice of smart was not congruent with his actions (to suggest I be auto-lynched). I think he realised this was a mental slip, and hence, had the urge to clarify in the thread --> when essentially no one else made a big deal of it. Like I said, call this nitpicking or whatever. It is my opinion. Onegu ET hit the apologetic theme on the head. Further, when he has caught up, the items he is bringing up to the fore have already been discussed. Nothing new of value is being proposed. | ||
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On October 18 2013 13:54 Sn0_Man wrote: I'll admit we had a pretty useless Palmar D1 as town in Boardwalk Empire. He died N1 ofc. By useless I mean it seemed he wasn't interacting with much of the thread and kinda tunnelled stuff that seemed irrelevant, but he did turn out mostly right. I'm stuck on Palmar; because he was pretty useless at the start in Nomination Mafia. Then he flicked on a switch and became a super-town god (IIRC this happened D2). I think as town or scum; Palmar also has to chase the SAM claim; so the action is non-alignment indicative. What *could* be alignment-indicative is his unwillingness to do anything else in the thread, except wait for me. Unfortunately if he wants a live conversation, based on time zones this is difficult. Frankly, I expect much more from a scum Palmar (i.e. not be be caught on something so.... ?obvious?) Then again, in Thug Life he did start he was a MCB at the start. All this mumbo jumbo infers, I have a null read on Palmar currently. Let us see how he reacts to me addressing his question. | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:01 Mattchew wrote: Moc that conclusion is (mean word here) You are right though, i wanted to differentiate between smart and correct, that is because i was reading mafiascum wiki Also, i asked a question about if the correct play was to auto lynch a claimed miller... For you, pandain and any other (redacted named calling) saying that i said to actually do it, please stop skewing what i said, it is quite frustrating Okie Dokie. So you respond on one item; why abstain on the other(s). | ||
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while you are at it. Will you lynch Zaragon? Why/Why Not? | ||
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On October 18 2013 11:01 Sn0_Man wrote: Im kinda a mini player. People kinda... blend together in my mind in these games  Free townreads for LA/Toad/ET/SS for now tho. Sn0, you are one of those players that a few are publicly finding difficult to read and/or scummy. Can you please give me a run down on why Toad gets a hard town read. Can you also please also choose 1 of (LA/ET/SS). Thanks sir | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:05 Mattchew wrote: Thats bh right? I wouldnt care either way if he died... Plus hes syltherin right? (1) Why do you think he is in Slytherin? (2) How can you not care? This does not make sense; is he scummy or not? | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Thanks, I'm in ya house too + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 14:06 Mocsta wrote: Sn0, you are one of those players that a few are publicly finding difficult to read and/or scummy. Can you please give me a run down on why Toad gets a hard town read. Can you also please also choose 1 of (LA/ET/SS). Thanks sir Not "hard" townreads. More like, No interest in lynching, and i'm lending value to what they say simply because all of them have well thought out posts. I'm considering them town/pro-town until evidence comes up. Toad especially has been decently open about setup speculation stuff that I doubt a scummer would talk about regarding certain anti-town roles in our house. And he's the only useful player in our house QT (me included, i'm useless there). So. Aside from setup speculation: Do you know who Toad thinks is scummy? Has that been clearly outlined? What do you think of his 3 anti-town role theory? | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:20 Mattchew wrote: and i have no read on zara/bh but if BH doesnt want to post then he can die Yes, you are right. I forgot zaragon was in my house. We had a security breach and the QT was closed down. I thought it was because the hosts accidently gave the wrong QT link to BH haha. So even though I wrote a spiel on zaragon being scum: you still have no opinion on zaragon; yet don't care if zaragon/BH die? Very odd to me. See I don't have a firm opinion on Palmar, but don't want Palmar to be lynched. you know, as town.. I want scum to be lynched; not 50/50 reads. Either way: You clearly are trying to make this unproductive; which ironically does nothing to improve my read on you. | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:27 Holyflare wrote: Yes, Onegu has been apologetic as either alignment, but the fruits promised are not what was delivered. So we agree there.+ Show Spoiler + Town is suffering from a "which lurker do we kill" scenario. I agree with your calls though Mocsta, mattchew has been buddy buddying up to people in QT/thread, without giving proper reads, seems to be on the defensive a lot. I haven't checked his meta or whatever to see what he normally does but I'd expect some scum reads at least at this stage in the game. A lot has happened after all. Zaragon/BH, well it's BH's birthday or whatever so it's expected afking but that shouldn't be an excuse either. Your meta points about Zara also are noteworthy, I will investigate for myself. On the flipside BH posts normally contain content and I have reads on him so I would prefer to say, keep him in over other lurkers. i.e. Onegu, Palmar (depends on reactions), Stutters, Sn0 (potentially), Tunkeg??????? Onegu's apologetic posts were already said to be alignment neutral, he says sorry in all factions. However, his posting has been inexcusable since then. Matt has expressed that Onegu's posts (despite lacking) contain what he thinks to be town orientated meta for Onegu. I find it hard to determine based on the meta I've read and what he's posted though, need some actual content. Lynchworthy if posting doesn't seriously pick up. Look, I am hesitant to say this, but, I do have a scum read on Syllogism. I just don't want to push him Day1 out of respect for his potential as a town asset. One thing that really struck me, is his response to EchelonTeas case on Onegu + Rayn. (1) ET: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=30#581 @ 20.07 (2) Syllogism with a prompt delurk On October 17 2013 20:15 syllogism wrote: I'm not familiar with Koshi's play, but that was my impression as well. Skanjab seemed like a very easy target in the sense that he looked like an easy target. Mafia instinct is to go after those, while townies are a bit more likely to stop and re-evaluate or just reach a different conclusion immediately. His previous post was 4hrs beforehand, so yes, this is a delurk. Which implies that he specifically posted to convey something of importance - making this reaction far more creditable for a scum mindset. (1) In this delurk he AVOIDS TALKING ABOUT ONEGU (2) In this delurk Syllo talks in generics (seemed like.. mafia instinct is to go after those).. Hes not stating this is applicable to Koshi, rather inferring it. (3) Ironically, the instinct Syllogism discusses is completely valid in relation to how Syllo approached the matter himself. Regardless of being a slow starter; I can't see a reason for a town syllo to make this +1 post. Its out of character for a "legend" of the game. ------- So you probably wonder who I would like to lynch first? My best read is Zaragon (mainly out of meta familiarity.. I will be shocked if he is town) However, I would probably suggest Onegu be lynched. If he is town, we got rid of a useless, non-contributing lurker. (Whilst lynching town sucks, its better to get rid of deadweight Day1, then Day 4) If he is scum; we get a good association tell to lynch Syllogism. To me, that is win-win. Anyway, Mocsta. There are a myriad of choices for lynching into lurkers that I'd be comfortable with. What I want to know though is your take on the Cephiro situation. He has posted one post in this entire thread - that yes - had content, however, rayn has been mentioning that he's been posting in the QT a lot more and also gave some compelling reasons for a scum Cephiro. For me, the key difference between Noir/Hogwarts is that in Noir Cephiro kept promising stuff in the thread, but never delivered.His post here: Click me!. Hes not doing that this game, rather, he is being caught lurking because he posted sometimes in the QT. I dont think that is scummy in itself. Based on his big post: I liked it.. I mean, 3 of his scum reads align with mine. And I can't blame him for assuming Palmar is scum ( i really want to think that, but am trying to ground myself).. So with Cephiro, I am happy to keep him around to Day2, but I expect him to keep producing posts like that. | ||
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Why are you resorting to fallacious: argumentum ad populum? What, because others did not find your effort to ignore onegu suspicious, the act is not suspicious? That you reciprocate to my observation the way you, warms my heart as well. ..... So.. whose scum syllo? | ||
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I never said I wanted you lynched day1 anyways. If you would care to indulge me with your expert insight, however. What do you make of onegu? | ||
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How does this impact your read/observations. Is there a particular reason you chose to query onegu over qt instead of the thread? | ||
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Can I please have your take on the mattchew smart/correct self-edit. | ||
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It in this case. I think it's pertinent to understand the content of questions asked. Onegu is a potential lynch candidate for today afterall. Are you able to paraphrase what was asked? | ||
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On October 18 2013 16:31 syllogism wrote: I don't think I can get anything out of that, other than that he was thinking about the issue rather and perhaps even reading mafiascum wiki when he said that. If he was, that's actually slightly towny. I'm dumb. Can you walk me through why it's townie. He's read mafia wiki. What is the significance of the change/connotation and why is it not a null or scum indicator? | ||
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On October 18 2013 16:33 syllogism wrote: I noted that he had boasted about his ability to accurately read Koshi and inquired as to whether he yet had a good read. The content of the question isn't important, the answer is. There is no answer, likely because he isn't here. Thanks syllo. Fair question to onegu. Hopefully he responds in the thread so the answer doesn't have to be paraphrased | ||
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My weekend just started and I'm off. I'm excited to find out who you are voting syllo. | ||
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Anyhow Deadline is 4am for me... I still support the 3 candidates I propose earlier. I will vote for who is leading out of those 3 when I get home. | ||
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In the qt u wanted to policy lynch me based on palmar follow up. | ||
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On October 18 2013 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Mocsta, why is syllo getting a free pass day1 for being a potential town asset and BH( Because zaragon was my best scum read. Bh doesn't affect that. I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home. I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless. So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently. | ||
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I'm on pho e and drunk. Can't be fucked looking Stop being lazy abd do a ctrl f | ||
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On October 19 2013 02:57 I-be-Pro wrote: Got home @ 2am. okay I figured this shit out. Palmar is mafia and he's angry at everyone because he's indeed doing the right thing because Mocsta is mafia as well and they had it planned all along. But Palmar expected to get less flak so he's mad while knowing his target is mafia. My gut is always right on these things. Instead of going to bed, I decided to catch up and decide who to vote for. And then I read junk like this.... all you have been doing in the QT is ask for peoples roles and if they fit into group A or B, because your role is so damn anti-town. GTFO | ||
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I am going to re-read Cephiro now. I'm still keen on a zaragon lynch, but i can understand why no one else is. its quite a personal read. Interestingly, I got the same feeling about JAT - quite different play from Noir - but for slightly different reasons. I didn't give it too much weight, because in Noir JAT was a blue role. But as others are finding him suspicious; I will queue him up with Cephiro and lynch between those 3. Matt is looking better/more-involved currently as well- which is good. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:03 I-be-Pro wrote: it's the not the only but one of the few explanations that's okay with palmars behavior while at the same time we have mocsta who is conveniently SAM. We're still lynching Ceph. I'm always right on my gutfeelings but no need to jinx it  Right.. how about instead of trying to throw shit at me wearing a mask. You man up and and fabricate a case. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:08 I-be-Pro wrote: I'm just saying it's a possibility. I had you has town so far but the scumreads I have just don't line up with palmar being in their. Could be I'm wrong about a read and that's why it's not lining up but I just put it in here to state the possibility. I'm not considering lynching you based on something like that, so yes if I'll have a go at you d2 or d3 I'll make a case. I can work with that. Carry on. | ||
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Just re-read Cephiro post in detail.. its disgusting. Originally I wanted to read this post, and then read the Noir post to see if similar. But after reading the first two cases where is pushing people solely for being usesless -> I am comfortable enough to lynch this guy without reading the others. So ##Vote: Cephiro and good night. For anyone who cares (which I dobut is anyone) i spoilered what i wrote before i stopped. + Show Spoiler + Ok these are my thoughts on the following players, I am voting for one of them. I have only skimmed the therad, so hopefully this isnt regurgitation. KK Cephiro -The sole post feels heavily editted/drafted/refined. -I dont like the joke about K-Pop, again, seems like an intentional "ice-breaker". Whilst i understand the idea, I dont get why a townie would open this way.. even if they acknowledge the severity of the defense. - Apology fluff. I cant help but just want to skim it. - Setup/role fluff... is this guy a character assassin or something? - I dont like how the reads tie in with the k-pop opener.. thats a sign of very heavy construction. - Read on mattchew: I agree the filter is or *was* useless/null.. but even he admits its not pro-scum. This actually feels more like a rehash of thread observations/status quo than a read with conviction. - | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:04 Mocsta wrote: Interestingly, I got the same feeling about JAT - quite different play from Noir - but for slightly different reasons. I didn't give it too much weight, because in Noir JAT was a blue role. But as others are finding him suspicious; I will queue him up with Cephiro and lynch between those 3. On October 19 2013 03:25 justanothertownie wrote: Actually my gripe with you is that, even with much less posts than noir- you have been more forthcoming this game. (ironic i know)As I said. You can't compare my Day1 play to Noir because I simply did not have any time until now. Further the content is on a different tangent to noir. i feel very strongly about this, even with a quick skim of your filter now. noir felt like you were holding something back.. which i later proved was the case. i think that read ascended above you being a blue role. i.e. i think the mindset would largely hold if you were green this game. short story is: so far im not getting that feeling about you, which makes me have reservations about you. i.e. You need to start contributing more. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:33 Cephiro wrote: you better be town.1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming". i abhor appeals like this.. even moreso as scum. almost warning worthy if scum; as this transcends the gentleman rules of play. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:48 Sn0_Man wrote: Well at least ur posting Ceph. I've been discussing the claim with Toad in QT and it does kinda seem like the claim is better for mafia than for town, so I can see why palmar feels like a Policy lynch is reasonable here. However I'm not with it because if he is town he is doing what I would have done (claimed SAM). Are you trying to argue that this makes palmar scum? Well the stupid thing is. Palmar gives two reasons why I could claim. Eitehr low confidence as town; or scum for amazing benefits. When in my response to him, i indicated I had low confidence. I got fuckn railed during Noir for poor play. So yes, confidence was low 48hrs ago. Not so anymore. I can agree with him. If i felt the way I do now; I probably wouldnt have claimed. Its moot anyways. As I said to Toad in the QT/thread. Judge me for how I am acting this game. If you think I am pushing a scum agenda, build a case. Same goes for Palmar. I suppose he at least has the balls to call it a policy lynch, and nothing more. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:52 Cephiro wrote: The thing is, as far as I know, we're playing Mafia, not "Post-the-most". I think I did a fairly reasonable post that can be seen as a genuine town interest in the game. I explained my own opinions, statements and behavior, as well as gave some reads and reasoning to them. I do agree the less content to go by, the harder it is to read. But I also think that little, contentful posts are better than constantly posting useless fluff. But it seems that someone wanted to paint it as fluff, and what would be easier for scum after seeing a good post to just ignore it completely, claiming it as fluff = Leaving that person looking like he has done nothing at all. I dont have a problem you posted once. People get busy. I have a problem that you came in and blew big smoke with a massive post; some to explain the QT stuff (fair enough) and then the reads. The reads were all essentially: this person has done nothing/useless. I dont believe any indicated why that uselessness was indicative of a scum mindset. Further, what *REALLY* bugs me (Aside from the appeal to hosts previously) was the addition of K-Pop as ice-breaker to your post which was then re-hashed as a backstory to how your reads developed. That is some really stinky stuff that reeks of heavy fabrication and manipulation. 2 things that a townie would need feel the requirement to cater for on a D1 defense post identifying the "real scum". | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:00 Holyflare wrote: This is NOTHING to do with meta. He posted 1 post at the time, cast suspicion on people that already had suspicion on themselves, he posted a few other names that were not mentioned by anyone else but then never followed up on them. Half of his post was explaining himself Rayn made an excellent point: Here about it. ^ THIS. Hits the nail on the head. Anyhow, Cephiro is starting to get some resistance which is good. If he flips scum, I suppose the next job will be to find out if these are townies with wet feet, or scummers trying to avoid a scum lynch. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:08 Sn0_Man wrote: SuperSoft and Skanjab1s were pushing a mislynch pretty hard about 4 hours before lynch. And im not willing to vote either of them today. Im going to re-read Noir now, because Cephiro seems to have some genuine emotion. I suppose scum have genuine emotion to avoid lynch as well; but I will double-check how he responded in the same situation. Seriously, I could get so down on a zaragon lynch though. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=129#2565 Is it just me.. or is teh structure identical? Full filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Cephiro&view=all | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote: It would be pretty bold because they would need to pull a miracle defense and if it fails they would look really really bad. You could argue there should have been someone defending him way earlier though. Are you inferring Palmar? | ||
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this is so de ja vu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20004765 Thats where i saw it. Very similar to how he talks about Palmar and then Syllo. Note: Kush was scum and JAT was town... does this mean palmar is scum and syllo town? This is really freaky the similarity.. my vote isn't moving. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:16 justanothertownie wrote: I reread Hopeless and am way less convinced than yesterday. If someone is interested in my reasoning I can post it but since he obviously won't be lynched I think this should be postponed for now. ##Vote: Cephiro Yes pls. More insight --> better read on you. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote: I really don't like this threat...... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing. I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum. Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- The gap analysis is to assume its a "good" main character.. but its not actually stated at all. Sigh.. reading the Noir filter, hes a fair bit more involved in that game trying to save himself from the noose. But the structure of some posts is so identical its uncanny. Oddly enough, I try to replicate my town structure as scum... whereas, hes replicating his scum structure? + the rationale of his scum cases in Noir, have a similar rationale to this game. "useless filters devoid of pro-town elements" The only thing that holds me back about Cephiro is that hes taking a more martyr route this course as opposed to Noir where he was actively trying to divert the lynch. Its not a hold back enough to stop teh lynch though. Im happy with this, and am now goign to bed. 3.30am. ciao. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:24 justanothertownie wrote: So thats some sort of post from yesterday or whatever? And now you dont interpret the quotes the same way?That's what I was going to write: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 07:49 Hopeless1der wrote: (From phone) Re: gracks indifference to the item. I think he is of the opinion that the houses are just a flavor thing and that we have no real way to manipulate the item/contest to benefit town by getting it all for his self. Assuming town>scum in each house the overall effect should be the same, no? Who cares if townie A or townie B gets it? I still think this is weird. As I said before gracks behaviour is perfectly fine in my opinion so that's not the problem but hopeless just jumps in and defends him. He just takes a wild guess at gracks motivation without letting the guy explain it himself. In what way does that make sense as town? On October 17 2013 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote: That's literally the point of the game. Skanj, take this as an opportunity to take a break for a bit. I think you're being overwhelmed right now and youre on tilt. You are not fostering productive discussions. Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment? On October 17 2013 22:47 Hopeless1der wrote: Toad is talking about Fruity and/or BangBang mafia. marv's comment was fruity iirc, but both of them were smurfs. Weird game, that one. skanj, re your (Case on Yamato post), I have no problem with Yamato's vote. The fact that he has refrained from voting his "FoS's" is more town oriented. He's maintaining a level head while communicating his reads and intentions. Like getting Vayne to man the fuck up and play properly. VA comes in, attempts to namehunt mocsta and trolls Yam a bit before peacing out. I wouldn't stand for that shit if it happened to me, why should anyone have to deal with it? I don't think Yam particularly wants to lynch VA over it, but I think he's willing to go through with it if VA doesn't shape up. He has my full support if this is the case. ##Vote: VayneAuthority This is really really bad. First I think Vayne is known for trolling/being useless as town (especially Day1). This is a useless policy vote and I can't remember seeing a game where Vayne trolled like that as scum. Since that he only came in the thread to switch to Cephiro - the only strong wagon. He basically avoided trying to find scum and instead went on about policies the whole game while actually being in the thread. I realize that this is pretty much it. I really thought I saw some more things I didn't like yesterday but I couldn't find them again today. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote: That's what i have been fucking saying all the time. -rayn But.. too-dumb-to-be-scum... why the fuck would you do a literal carbon copy.. when so many players from Noir are in this game. I dont mean to exaggerate/be too rude, but if scum.. this almost can be nominated for worst mafia play of 2013. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:39 Sn0_Man wrote: Perhaps we should lynch stutters actually. That guys' awful. Thats a lottery draw. shamelessly lurks as town or scum. At least in Noir as scum, he tried to build a case (on a scummer) | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:10 You-Know-Who wrote: I hate to say it, but Palmar might be the best choice.VOTE COUNT: Cephiro (11) : Palmar (4) : Pandain, Grackeroni, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow Sn0_Man (3) : StorrZerg, Skanja1bs, supersoft, VayneAuthority (1) : Yamato77, raynpelikonoshi (1) : Hopeless1der (0) : Mattchew (0) : Onegu (0) : StorrZerg (0) : Yamato77 (0) : Not voting (5) : Cephiro, justanothertownie, Onegu, Palmar, Stutters695 + Show Spoiler [Details] +
Currently Cephiro is to be lynched. Deadline is in . Please use the voting thread to vote (I'm looking at you, Palmar). Out of the top 3. I dont want to vote Sn0 or Cephiro right now. Storrzerg is interesting, but dont know if we can get a vote swing in time. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Sure, its a lottery but its better than cephiro I like that guy's notes. Thats not good enough. We have 15minutes, we can do better than that. We can at least move from slikpick to a syndicate ticket. | ||
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But what actually is the objection? Does anyone have a town read on him? | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LastArgument was feeling a town Mattchew. So I am not going Mattchew. Wow.. considering Koshi had a bad start. And Cephiro has you as scum; and you dropped only because of list. This objection to Mattchew don't look good. This is Koshi too right? | ||
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I know.. but my case is on zaragon, not BH. It makes no different to their alignment. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:49 Sn0_Man wrote: I have mattchew as leaning town as well. His voting is too stupid to be scum basically lol. He voted, storr, you and cephiro. Not that stupid to me? All were questionable at some point or other. | ||
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fuck me FUCK YOU CEPHIRO... again!! | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:51 Sn0_Man wrote: Not really. His motivations for votes are discernably not scummy. If he was scum he wouldn't be begging ceph to full claim for example  I swear taht was supersoft? | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:55 Cephiro wrote: Totally unrelated: Fuck. I wasted my 1k post -_- I wanted to make my first blog on TL ever. On the other hand, I guess it defines my TL-career very well. WTF-moments in mafia since Day 1... I hate you lol.. i was meant to sleep 1.5hrs ago... how the hell am i meant to sleep with all this drama | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:56 Holyflare wrote: Also, Mocsta, as for a BH lynch, I checked into your meta points and they made a little bit of sense, but nothing that I could see as damning evidence. Although I haven't played with him so can't entirely get the feel for it so it's harder for me, yet, BH is a person who I see as very towny when he posts so I would get a better feel for him, say, on day 2 than straight up lynching him now. Fine ##Unvote ##Vote: palmar | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:58 StorrZerg wrote: switched vote 2 mins Ninja'd | ||
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On October 19 2013 05:10 Grackaroni wrote: I blame BH. Who knows what kind of shenannies he was pulling behind the scenes. I'm tired of the jokes. That was great early day1... but we not there anymore. pull the socks up. | ||
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he is a slippery one worthy of the serpent. in Slytherin, he is the top scum potential. hmmm, BH and zaragon scum for me still. cephrio made a weird ass post about charms etc prior as well. night . | ||
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On October 20 2013 06:20 LastArgument wrote: glhf town, gg Hi Can I know who you are? I thought you played a really strong town game. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:24 syllogism wrote: If anything that looks bad since Mocsta for the most part ignored LastArgument and doesn't know alignments meaning he can't know if he played a "really strong town game". Oops? LA flipped? | ||
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Syllo, Read it for what it is. I had a town read on Pandain, and frankly, am still surprised he flipped scum. At that time, I had issues with you, and voiced that several times in the thread. We even had some go-between. Where things changed for me, is when you voted Cephiro. That post was decent and made me think you were town. Obviously now you are confirmed. Rayn/Koshi goods on me is dumb. He already admitted that he was looking purely at the votes, and not the reasoning. Its pretty clear why I went from Mattchew -> BH/Zaragon in the thread. I never felt confident about Palmar as a read, and this was clear in the thread too. If you want to call me scum.. then why did I voice genuine issues with JustAnotherTownie? Lastly, I semi-vigge'd EchelonTea. Read my last post of note, very carefully. On October 19 2013 22:57 Mocsta wrote: I'm of a fan of echelon escaping discussion by using the bandwagon argument that syllo is town, and +1. he is a slippery one worthy of the serpent. in Slytherin, he is the top scum potential. hmmm, BH and zaragon scum for me still. cephrio made a weird ass post about charms etc prior as well. night . Serpent spell is my 1-time counter-balance to being SAM. Granted, it takes 2 night cycles to hit.. the point is, i still sent KP his way. | ||
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On October 20 2013 05:32 VayneAuthority wrote: indeed, pandain started with his town meta and then was unable to keep it up. echelontee was obvious scum so good shot there, surprised about lonemeow since its impossible to tell people like that alignment as far as im aware. should be plenty obvious im town now with the harry potter red flip. I could only know that main characters could be scum if I was scum. I think the rest of our house is town FYI I haven't had a dedicated read of Vayne.. but this post sticks out to me. I can't put my finger on it, but, for a summary post, its got a scummy-vibe about it. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:01 syllogism wrote: No, me being an innocent child is my license not to do anything. Even now I'm just pushing a policy lynch on a miller. Thansk for admitting it. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:24 syllogism wrote: If anything that looks bad since Mocsta for the most part ignored LastArgument and doesn't know alignments meaning he can't know if he played a "really strong town game". Oops? Ignored him? ermmm.. If I wasn't talking about him, means I didnt have a scum read on him. I liked a lot of stuff he said post early day1. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:26 Blazinghand wrote: you turd-hat you literally quote his goodbye post Yeah, douche... cos i was meant to click PM you're still scum because of zaragon as far as I am concerned. Nothing you have done has changed that. Are you Sure that you will read the thread now that 50% of ya team flipped? Seems demotivating to me, at least. | ||
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If you want to call me scum.. then why did I voice genuine issues with JustAnotherTownie? /QUOTE] Syllo, This is irrelevant. I got confused with LoneMeow flipping and JAT. I still don't like JAT though. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:27 syllogism wrote: Does it? For me, it meant he was my strongest town read in the game aside from the Innocent Child. & that I liked the way he played.You weren't pushing the same reads as him and based on a quick skim of your filter this is the only time you mentioned him. A very strong town game implies he was pushing correct reads. Each to their town. Just remove it as any form of evidence towards a town or scum read. Fact is, it was meant to be in PM land and should have no bearing on the outcome of a read on me. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:43 Blazinghand wrote: so you were planning to PM a live player asking for who he was a smurf of? yeah right also if you think i get demotivated as scum you've literally read none of my scumgames a live player? He flipped.. that was his goodbye post? Wtf are you smoking GTFO | ||
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LoneMeow filter is devoid of any information pertaining to scum. It does give Cephiro/Sn0_Man some extra town points. Cephiro because he pulled out a "I sense genuine frustration" line to give a town read. And Sn0_Man, because it feels like Sn0_Man is genuinely trying to convince LoneMeow to back off Palmar (For reasons that I agree with too). i.e. doesnt feel like scum talking to scum. + Show Spoiler [Sno&Lone] + On October 19 2013 04:10 LoneMeow wrote: Do you have a non-meta based reason, too? EchelonTea Essentially clears up Onegu. Not because of the case, but because he was campaigning for Onegu to be lynched further on. Rayn is probably town. On October 18 2013 11:17 EchelonTee wrote: I'm utilizing my self control so I don't just flame you endlessly, but it's difficult. My statement that it is likely this game has lots of roles because it is a theme game, a Harry Potter one no less, does not indicate nor deny my status as a blue. Stop the WIFOM. ET already had a case out on Rayn/Koshi, and could have easily moved off Onegu to push the hydra. I assume he did not because Onegu was a much easier target (less coherent, and less active) I think Mattchew comes out looking pretty bad from this exchange. On October 18 2013 23:16 EchelonTee wrote: On my Onegu case; it is true that Onegu has examples of being apologetic as both town and scum. I'll consider that aspect to be a bit hazy, but if you take a quick gander at his filter, you'd see that since he's been back all he's giving is town reads; no scum reads in sight. To me this is a blatant showing of non-contribution to thread, activity for activity's sake. I am still confident in my read, but I am moving my vote to better guarantee a good lynch, as the difference in votes are a hair's difference and we have ~10 votes still not in. ##unvote I don't know who koshi is so no that's not a really good answer for me. I also don't know rayn at all either yet people are saying things along the lines of "oh it was actually that guy who is talking? yeah I know he's town then". Honestly this situation is souring my opinion towards hydras: twice the amount of posts to decipher with half the amount of cohesiveness between them. lul On cephiro; his only post reeks; I primarily agree with the logic laid out here. I also already noted how strange it is that Cephiro was casually active on QT yet not involved in thread nor in scumhunting. This indicates that he definitely had the time to be reading the thread, yet he has no time to follow through on his so called reads? I'm happy with a lynch on him. ##Vote: Cephiro Will not be back before deadline. Fingers crossed. There is no real purpose/outcome from the discussion with Mattchew here. It feels like filler and for someone that had a case on the hydra, I would expect ET to be more demanding. In a nutshell: ET is just commenting around what Mattchew said, but is not trying to elicit any meaningful information from this exchange. Its the exact thing I called him out for prior with Toad. The difference being that he was saying he "disliked toad play" in the former, and with the latter (mattchew) hes actually asked him for information. Two different scenarios with a similar outcome. Why? I believe because this is a scum-to-scum interchange. Yes, the tone of this passage is different to his interchange with Pandain. But the key difference was that Pandain was calling out ET as scummer. It makes sense for ET to dial up the emotion scale. I suggest lynching Mattchew today | ||
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On October 20 2013 08:34 Holyflare wrote: This. Look at BH's filter, 3 pages and it's all useless spam shit. What is more curious is how mocsta could have an entire read on Zaragon/BH and he can see BH doing this trolly shit but he doesn't even mention that shit in his last case post on mattchew???? Why is it weird. I can not articulate a case on zaragon. It comes from an understanding i achieved by streaming my thoughts of him in noir. I can't expect others to appreciate that read. With BH trolling; how is that directly indicative of being scum? Unfortunately, shit heads troll all the time. Do I think BH is scum.: Yes Do i think I can make a case for him currently: No Are there 3 scum left: Yes Should I continue to scum hunt for the remaining two: Yes I'm diving Pandain atm. Results to follow soon-ish. Then I be out rest of the day. (irl, not cycle) | ||
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On October 20 2013 08:43 syllogism wrote: That Mocsta case on Mattchew is up there among the least convincing cases I've read in this game. It appears to amount to "mafia briefly discussed something fairly irrelevant with another player, therefore that player is mafia". Could Mocsta actually believe that is a reasonable reason for suspecting someone, not to mention be his number one suspect, or is that a case made by a mafia who is under suspicion and just had three of his teammates flip on n?. Syllo, You say you want to policy lynch me; and now you are talking about mafia mindset. What is your actual problem with my play? | ||
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On October 20 2013 08:47 Holyflare wrote: Want more damning conclusions/evidence? Here is Mocsta's original case: Click me! and this: There's 1 kp, scum just got hit hard, I don't think they'd be in the position to bus right now, so why has mocsta dropped this entire read for mattchew instead? Especially as the evidence he's given isn't very damning for mattchew. I had a case on mattchew before the lynch too that was much more substantial but I've been discussing this with him in our QT, his reactions to me were very puzzled at how nobody could understand why he was doing the things he was doing (not something I'd expect from a scum) but I'm still a little wary. Mocsta also switched his vote during the Cephiro/Palmar situation to BH. He switched after I said day 2 was better to get a read off him but then switched to Palmar who arguably was the same. Why? Palmar was going after Mocsta and only him. It's obviously an easy wagon to join. You are tunneled and making fallacious arguments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent I can not help it if you do not like my reasoning. It is what it is. But where you can help yourself: is by not jumping to one conclusion to provide answers to satiate your theory. | ||
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On October 20 2013 08:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Mocsta, gief lvl (%) of scuminess on both BH and Mattchew plz. I dont work off percentage. | ||
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On October 20 2013 09:05 Holyflare wrote: Ohh i agree completely my mattchew post was a leap of faith. I did not call it a case either. If you read any of my games, this is how I play. I'm a high risk gambler. Can't help it. I think it contributes to why people find me hard to read, I dunno.It is most definitely not tunneling and I of course know what that is. I can say the same thing about all of your last posts confirming/disproving towns/scum. A lot of those were confirmation biased opinions. This is just stating facts. Either way, I am comfortable lynching BH in light of this and it gives us more time to discuss other scenarios/scum. ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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I'm spoilering what I wrote, but a lot of feels like conspiracy theory. Which i suppose is hallmarks of decent scum play. Prob my biggest concern from the filter is Sn0_Man for something I suppose could be minor. As for mattchew, dunno right now, pandain is consistent with his story (ET, Palmar, Mattchew) so i dont believe that makes him town alone. But I do get that its weird for scum to hedge their bets by consistently pushing 2 scum, 1 town. That alone is prob enough to make Mattchew a low priority currently. ##Unvote ##Vote: BlazingHand + Show Spoiler + As follows: Pandain (1)Vayne, I agree with Hopeslss that Vayne is cleared for now. My take is related to his intro stating that Vayne is hard to read -> his push on ET, Palmar, MAttchew, -> and then his willingness to bandwagon yam and vote vayne. (2) List post On October 18 2013 05:05 Pandain wrote: I love StorrZerg's last post and he's town in my eyes. Which leaves these people: Sn0 Vayne Echelon Onegu Tunkeg Palmar I-be-Pro Stutters JAT. This is important as it identifies that Pandain had no issues with bussing. Whether that is by light distancing (e.g. here), or calling out ET directly. Further, Pandain filter has been consistent. If he called someone scum early game, he has maintained that read to late-Day1 (applies to both Palmar, ET & Mattchew) Thus, Hopeless1der giving Mattchew credit for being referenced in-line with EchelonTea I think is not a credit at all, but null. (3) Follow up to list post On October 18 2013 05:09 Pandain wrote: I thought this was interesting, because I did not think any of these were *great* contributors early game. I'm not sure what to make of it, but given this post was made by scum. I find it hard to believe that this list of "non-touchables" would be all green. Out of the 3 remaining, skanjabs is my best read. The people who contributed greatly earlier on in the thread were: Hopeless Last Argument Skanjabs Yamato I have town reads on all of these people and others, upon analyzing them, should confirm/deny this from their own perspective. I also would like it if someone took the time to summarize their House QT for the thread. So it is of high probability there is a mafia between Hopeless/Yamato. My gut leans Hopeless; as I have given Yamato a fair bit of slack for being in the champions game simultaneously. Will have to think about this more. If my conclusions on pandain align with Hopeless, perhaps I will need to start seriously considering Yamato. (4) This is to HolyFlare On October 18 2013 10:06 Pandain wrote: This was in response to:I liked all your posts except Sn0man played very much like this in one of the previous games I played with him so I don't think day one will be the best day to pin him. Agree with Stutters and Palmar. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=43#859 This is interesting because Palmar is town, and Stutters likely town. Why the need to give them scum reads, and only Sn0Man a town read? Odd post in general. | ||
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On October 20 2013 08:46 Mocsta wrote: Syllo, You say you want to policy lynch me; and now you are talking about mafia mindset. What is your actual problem with my play? I'm outta here. Syllo, I would still like a response to this. Thanks, | ||
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On October 21 2013 08:34 StorrZerg wrote: can syllo and mocasta name claim at this point? no I won't rayn I know what ceph meant. 6 of us know. but we are not allowed to talk about it. I don't know what the consequences are though. sorry. | ||
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I don't know the outcome of the power. Just the input | ||
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That leader is cephiro. Pandain , last argument, toad, me and ceph Only me and ceph live..... Ceph apparently gets stronger when ppl in the group die.... Odd that pandain was in it then. Could ceph be the sk? | ||
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Header. Anonymous message. It specified keywords in the thread to communicate. Notice. cpehiro. Me. Toad. All used the word "charm" suddenly. Anyways. Said we couldn t talk about it but I think that's actually an addition by the writer not the host. The group was referenced as dumbledore army. | ||
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I asked for that when replacing into got as town. And people thought it was scummy. So makes sense a town choosing to do that in the qt vs thread. It's a small point of course. Thus, If I back off bh solely on this...I.e. waiting for more from him I would swap to either cephiro based on rayn pointing out shoddiness of list post and the Dumbledore army stuff Or Yamato as I was only giving him credit for being in the champion game. I agreed with ska jab day1 case then, and still do now. If we work off hufflepuff ha ing 1 scum. I liked holyflare since day1 and don't want to vote him. Would be Mattchew. Can't be hopeless as he went out of his way to clear mattchew post cop reveal. That makes hopeless a bigger target by process of elimination. | ||
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Just Pandain, lastargument, mocsta, toad, and captain Cephiro used a key word night1 identifying him as captain. | ||
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Whereas the message I got I am certain was written by cephiro now. I received my pm about 5min after cycle post..so it suggests cephiro was aware of the phrase Dumbledore army. He's prob a good option for sk...and fits into rayn theory of being in his house. Also explains why his emotion felt real. | ||
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On October 19 2013 05:21 Cephiro wrote: I don't even..... My newly-found lovers will understand why I don't know whether to laugh or cry, chances of this co-incidence happening is too small to be true. The thing is, as charming as I am, this relationship is smart and works one-way only. And I will meet you all only once a day. I don't have time for more. This is why you must use the words of our secret love if you want to talk to me in public without others knowing. Or each other, if you want to surprise me with a menage-a-trois. Please do not be afraid to sacrifice yourselves for my love, as I will grow stronger for the sacrifices you make. ♥ As for a non-roleplay note: It's unfortunate that the lynch ended up like this, but I will redeem my play and ensure this won't happen again. On October 20 2013 05:12 Cephiro wrote: Haha, that is absolutely amazing! 3 scum dead by the start of D2? And I just got more powerful too. Tis be great. Blue ==> This is Cephiro stating that he is in the "Dumbledore Army" group and is the unspecified pm "captain" Red ==> Cephiro suggests he becomes more powerful as the group diminishes... This is the re-stated post night-cycle where 3 of the 4 members die. ============ As I stated, I have no idea what the outcome of "being stronger" is. All I know is that the PM sent was manipulative (in that it asked us not to speak about it in the thread unless we use the codewords.. and that it would be all explained the next day). I suppose technically it was explained via the posts that Cephiro made. I know in Personality2, we had a Sleeper Cell power where we could group 3 random people, and they had the power to group vote a KP. It was a scum power. ============ In hindsight of the flips, Rayn is right.. Cephiro list post was really bad. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20011990 Note: Dumbledore Army: Pandain + LastArgument + Mocsta + Toad From his notes: 3. Pandain - Probably Town 12. I-be-Pro - Seems ok, good points. Pro-town. Setup speculation. Thinks his role is anti-town. 19. Mocsta - Self-aware Miller claim. Seems like town. Would fit within theme. (Good guy Slytherin looks bad because Slytherin?) Plays pro-town. Coin? 17. LastArgument - Valid point, I like. Coin? All these people are town reads, yet are required to die to progress Cephiro. On one hand you could argue he expected these people to be shot/lynched, thus was trying to rush to maximising the strength of his power.. however; realistically, I only expect LastArgument to satisfy that criteria (possibly myself as well). I dont think anyone expected pandain to be shot/lynched; nor Toad. On the other hand, I would have expected town to diversify the role requirements (i.e. 1 or 2 townies expected to die Night 1 + an obvious scum read + an obvious lynch candidate). Without knowing his role PM, I believe this is how I would have gone about it? Then note that he appears obsessed with this "coin." 21. Hopeless1der - A bit more careful in the G+2H discussion. Town? Interesting ability speculation. Reasonable in his opinions. Coin? Maybe not very tricky? So why is Pandain/Toad (coinless reference) in the group instead of Hopeless1der So in summary I dont see much risk in a mislynch this cycle, as we already downed 3 scum so are relatively ahead. (Obviously I would prefer to avoid this and clean sweep from here out) So the main risk I see in lynching Cephiro is: he is close to maxing out his power (pending my death) and he could be a super town role? The opposite also applies: he could be scum close to maxing out a super anti-town role. Note: Scum already have lost a very powerful wizard role in Pandain + we have a JOAT claim from a townie looking person. Thus even if Cephiro is town, I dont think we necessarily need that power to compensate for a town deficiency. Hence, I think the risk/reward points towards a Cephiro lynch. ##Unvote ##Vote: Cephiro | ||
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On October 21 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote: You are aware that Sno gave an explanation for the night kills without a SK? Yeah I did read it, but was on phone so haven't had a chance to mull it over. We can safely assume that ET knew he was linked to Toad. So it does seem likely ET was killed due to this power from Sn0 and him using the 0.5KP. This would then also apply to Pandain. The other option is that a SK took out Pandain & a town vig took out ET, thus taking out Toad. Due to the quantity of NKs; Sn0's "power" seems more plausible. So: LoneMeow/LastArgument/Supersoft. Now: If 3 scum are dead, I would expect KP to be 1 as per OP (but depends on how hosts resolve night actions). Lets say KP is still 2.. we still require that 2 KP to be delivered by members that were not dead (probably same resolution process as above). So assume 2 KP; LastArgument makes a lot of sense. With Syllo a likely medic save, Supersoft also makes sense. So OK, then a vig of some sort on LoneMeow. Thats A LOT of KP though; and its also interesting to note that Cephiro wrote nothing about LoneMeow in his list post. So we come back to whether LoneMeow was taken out by town vig power; or SK. I don't think Cephiro can be easily dismissed as an SK (and I would prefer a town vig not to claim the kill, as they probably not 1-shot). | ||
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On October 20 2013 05:12 Cephiro wrote: I wanted to add that this statement is *VERY* misleading.Haha, that is absolutely amazing! 3 scum dead by the start of D2? And I just got more powerful too. Tis be great. The assertion is that: 3 scum are dead & I am more powerful. For those that do not know about his "Dumbledore Army" it is easy to 'gap analyse' this as... AWESOME, cephiro is town because 3 scum are dead and now he is more powerful. This is not the case at all; rather.. 3 members of his group died, thus, he became more powerful. Very misleading; and again, not a comment/assertion I would expect from a town player. | ||
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Has Cephiro been posting in the QT? if so is it possible Cephiro cannot post unless he has votes on himself? maybe being the vote leader? (maybe he can only post at night because of this) Cause he only started posting when he got a lead in votes iirc [QUOTE]On October 20 2013 05:12 Cephiro wrote: Haha, that is absolutely amazing! 3 scum dead by the start of D2? And I just got more powerful too. Tis be great.[/QUOTE] /QUOTE] Was this not quoted at the start of Day2? He was not a vote leader. | ||
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On October 21 2013 10:15 StorrZerg wrote: Has Cephiro been posting in the QT? if so is it possible Cephiro cannot post unless he has votes on himself? maybe being the vote leader? (maybe he can only post at night because of this) Cause he only started posting when he got a lead in votes iirc On October 20 2013 05:12 Cephiro wrote: Haha, that is absolutely amazing! 3 scum dead by the start of D2? And I just got more powerful too. Tis be great. Was this not quoted at the start of Day2? He was not a vote leader. | ||
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On October 21 2013 10:20 StorrZerg wrote: hmmm well is policy lynching him good then because he is failing to live up to his word on scum hunting? It probably comes down to Cephiro OR Someone in Hufflepuff due to house check. OR Yamato Im willing to give BH another cycle to man up | ||
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On October 21 2013 10:27 Grackaroni wrote: JAT why did you say Palmar should be in Dumbledore's army? Lol.. read what I wrote after where I comment its irrelevant as it was mod-generated. Whereas with the anonymous PM i received: that was forwarded to the group via the mods. But was almost certainly a message concocted in full by the "Captain" --> Cephiro | ||
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On October 21 2013 10:30 Grackaroni wrote: ok I dont really know what to think of this. Idk why mafia or third party would openly reveal that they are benefiting from people in their group dying. Fair call; however, the reverse can be said. Why would town openly reveal that members of their group dying benefit them & then choose 4 people you had strong town reads on (according to the list post)? I think as either alignment, there was no requirement to notify anyone that he would become stronger. For me, hes creating a rouse and merely following through with it. Now, if he included scum reads in his group.. I can understand the intentional misleading attitude (rouse). However, with 4 strong town reads, this is a very odd approach to grouping us together. He could have just stated the outcome in the anonymous message PM. Then, maybe you can argue that he created the process of using code-words to talk so scum wouldn't figure out to shoot Cephiro. However, this is still rebutted by the above. If 4 strong town reads; tehre is no need for this elaborate scheme. The whole approach just plays out as anti-town in my opinion. | ||
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On October 21 2013 10:33 Grackaroni wrote: I wish he was here to tell us what is going on but I'm leaning against killing Cephiro. Who then? | ||
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Why is cephiro townier? | ||
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I want to kill him because I think he has gone about his power/role in an anti town style. I argued before that even if his power is town. The risk/rewards suggests he is a good lynch candidate regardless. | ||
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I don't understand where the breakdown is occurring. I am struggling to piece together how what you just said is related to what I said. Unless you are getting to anti town manner of approach. Yes. The people he chose and the method he chose to communicate through key words and specifically stating not to discuss this in the thread. I don't think this is congruent with choosing 4 strong town reads. We never had a qt so it's not like we were a think tank. He could have easily just put us in the group and left no message to recognise who he was. Of course I don't know his role pm so maybe there was criteria to be met.. but the whole thing just doesn't line up for me. | ||
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???? Lol 4 people received an anonymous message. I assume all 4 got the same message. It stated the 4 people added and undefined "captain" We were told not to discuss in thread and to communicate in thread via use of 2 keywords. That was it. Later cepbiro used this message system to communicate he was captain and explain how he gets stronger. 3 of 4 in the group have died. He posts he is stronger which ties in with his description of the power. Again, I just don't think his approach lines up with choosing 4 strong town reads for this group. Then u have the NK on lonemeow when bis list post was empty. U have his failed promises to be more active. It's bot stacking up well for cephiro | ||
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I have had a scum read on yam since his first post. Same with skankab.. it's just once I found out he was in champion game I gave him benefit of the doubt. We all know he is out now abd if you read champions game. The care factor is instantly there. Not in this game. I want cephiro to explain himself before figuring out what I want to do. I don't have him as mafia like yourself so now it's really up to him to come out. | ||
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If I have a guess. He has 1kp and 4 spells. Each spell level requires someone dead so he can cast up to level 3 currently. | ||
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On October 21 2013 21:55 Mattchew wrote: Who is this second scum in Slytherin?I think we have 2 general options, we lynch into my house or we lynch outside my house plus slytherin... I say this because i firmly believe in the check on my house and dont really see a framer being involved with any of us except maybe me.. If this is true and the is 1 mafia in our house, then i dont like slytherin with mocsta (as i believe his claim) to have a 2nd (and 3rd on house cop check) mafia in the house In my mind, unless im completely missing something we should be lynching into jat, onegu, va or yam/cr... Onegu has tried to pressure me and scum hunt mostly me but i think his read has been adapting, which seems pretty townie Yam just bounced so i dont really know where i lie on him anymore it seems he really couldnt be arsed to try Jat and VA i havent dont enough reading on to say scum or not but i havent read anything that made me think theyre town yet On October 18 2013 14:20 Mattchew wrote: If BH/Sn0/Skan is scum, then why are they not in your list above [Onegu, Yam, JAT, VA]slytherin: Mocsta, EchelonTee blazinghand I-Be-Pro sn0_man skanjabs1s | ||
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On October 21 2013 22:53 Mattchew wrote: I said slytherin dont have a second scum Misread. Too tired for this shit. Where the fuck is everyone else, sigh. Did you address Koshi case? The points were valid. I know you gave a one-line reply, but wasn't sure if that was the entirety of the defense. | ||
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On October 21 2013 23:01 justanothertownie wrote: I'm here. You want to discuss something? Cephiro is not under any pressure as there is only 1 vote on him. How have you found his attitude since he has returned? | ||
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On October 21 2013 23:12 justanothertownie wrote: Less whiny, more interested. Better than before at least. Do you agree with his assessment that a scum team should have pushed for his "mislynch"? | ||
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On October 21 2013 23:23 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know where exactly he said this? Here On October 21 2013 21:24 Cephiro wrote: EBWOP: To add on the above statement, scum doesn't clearly consider me a threat or a possibility behind some night actions, the mis-lynch on me would've been pushed much harder at this point. So I believe they think either: 1) I am no threat to them. 2) I am a pro-scum role that is not aligned with them. 3) Have planned something for me later. Also, I am almost 100% certain Ron Weasley is town. Do you agree with this assessment. | ||
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On October 21 2013 23:29 justanothertownie wrote: Well scum had no reason to consider him a threat before you claimed the whole thing. After that... hm. I don't know. If they were hardcore pushing him suddenly that would be kind of suspicious me thinks. Agreed + scum is most likely demoralised. 3 down + potentially 1 out of hufflepuff + potentially 2 replacements (obviously this is a lot of asumptions). But yes, seems like a manipulative bending of the truth to me. His reaction is very calm, yes, but as stated before: there is no genuine pressure on him yet either. I don't really have much more to say, I have lots of questions that can only be answered by flips i 'spose. | ||
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I dunno fi you can answer this but... did scum have to target you for this power to enact? Cos, I just find it weird that you would have been a NK target. | ||
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On October 21 2013 23:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Hmm, can you be a bit more specific? My take from that is that you did something to a townie and then 2 scummers with 0.5KP killed themselves because of that. Add to that 2 townkills from mafia you are left with only LoneMeow. Practical that means that Pandain and EchelonTee used their 0.5KP and you punished them for that. But that means that they had to use that on Toad otherwise there is 1 KP missing. 2NK 2 revenge kills on mafia using 0.5KP Toad dieing due to 0.5KP LoneMeow = ??? This means that Cephiro didn't do anything antitown yet. So why lynch him? Him not roleclaiming is fine as long as he plays the game and isn't a scummy fuck. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=104#2068 That was my take. You raise a valid point though. If the 0.5KP was reflected; how did ET or Toad die. Umm. Sn0 can you confirm whether ET should have had a full KP dealt to him? | ||
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Can you summarise why MattChew isn't fair game in hufflepuff? | ||
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On October 21 2013 23:58 Cephiro wrote: If you want to lynch scum, then you don't prefer me. Do you not agree I have upped my play? (Even if only for the last few hours?). And you have more coming. As for what you think of my role.. Great power comes with great responsibility. Up your play. Apparently you cited someone elses case. Do you disagree? | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:58 Mattchew wrote: Im not gonna be at a computer until atleast 3 hours from now Holyflare has posted sensibly, scum hunted and pursued his scum reads, however his scum read on me at the end of day 1 seemed really off to me. Syllo also posted a lot about the possibility of him being scum, but his power (if true) seems almost too weak for scum given all the powers and numbers town have in this game Hopeless's powers are kinda strong and he kinda breadcrumbed he was a jat in our QT, however he could change the word role check to cop and then it could easily be a scum role, and he could have been role checking toad on behalf of his scum teammate ET... Pandain also protects him from LA, and he really does ask a lot of questions and not follow up on them Grack has started contributing however he was also defended i believe by pandain, he has played this game with a lot of excitment and seems to post very fast without what seems like any second thought to what he has to say... His confidence is what really makes me think he is town I think i would still pick hopeless to die first out of the three, the more i think about it the less im convinced scum would target me or anyone from our house for a framer This is all reasonable. I'm not sure I buy into the credit Syllo gives for Hopeless1der to filter dive pandain. After all; It gives him an opportunity to manipulate content before others do & I can't really think what else Hopeless has done. It still concerns me how easily be backed off in Day1 as he was pushing things. Its too late, I am going to bed. I am leaving my vote on Cephiro. To be frank, I'm not confident he is anti-town.. however, we are ahead, and I am sick of how he keeps dangling the carrot in front of everyone. So my vote remains. | ||
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On October 22 2013 09:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote: yamato did play to his town meta on D1 and guess who else stopped playing after N1?-rayn Rayn, regarding the below: I do not have firm thoughts, so am happy to debate this out. I don't understand why people thought Yamato was playing his town meta. This extends all the way back to Pandain: On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote: <I believe regarding Skanjab> Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you. On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote: My take on Yamato town-meta is that he tries to be the knight in shining armor. He is forthcoming with his reads, and has a confidence behind them as if he has mod-information.I don't think it proves anything, never really see mafia go after vets. Especially with weak reasoning and when they're all alone, its just a lone townie trying to lynch you. Mocsta and Yamato are my two strongest town reads. Mocsta because every single thing he's posted so far I've liked and he's not spamming the thread while still having an influence. Yamato because he is being his townie self without the incessant spam, and I heavily disagree that he isn't pushing people. You don't have to vote someone to push them. Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet? This game: his first efforts were to socialise and complain On October 17 2013 10:28 yamato77 wrote: As an introductory post all this serves is to discredit a player in the game; whilst producing no direct reason to why that discredit exists. Simply put. I don't expect this type of post from Yamato as his first few posts.nvm it's the bad head of the hydra Note, that others had also requested confirmation on the hydra head for that exact same post; but did not result to discredit attempts - that was solely Yamato. So again, I can't grasp why Pandain lumped him as a town read for playing to his town meta; This is a glaring inconsistency for me. I still think Yamato is scum --> CR is scum. Vayne We know Pandain flipped scum + Harry Potter: On October 18 2013 02:21 Pandain wrote: Also I'm pretty sure that scum aren't going to be left with roles like "Voldemort". Worst roles of all time. Ron/Herminoie/Harry are probably confirmed, anyone else is fair game. Though he does not state directly that Harry Potter is town; it is inferred quite strongly. If Vayne was scum with Pandain, he would known that Pandain was Harry. On October 18 2013 02:17 VayneAuthority wrote: it is physically incapable for me to be mafia anyhow, I am one of the main characters. the one that banged harry potter. zer0 chance of me being mafia until a scum flips with a good guy name. I doubt that will happen tho. Originally, when I thought of this Vayne quote, I believed there is no way that a scum Vayne would put himself out knowing that Pandain was Harry. However, reading through this sequence of quotes, I have changed my mind. I can't find any reason why town would have those thoughts in the first place JustAnotherTownie This guy needs to step up. You aren't a scum read currently, but you are starting to verge into zone. In my opinion, you are commenting a lot of live thread discussion; but not progressing your own reads. Yes, I saw what you wrote at the start of Night 2, but I am talking about the 4-5 hrs before lynch where your posts equate to fillers. On October 22 2013 02:49 justanothertownie wrote: Fair enough. Would still be nice if you posted something from time to time. On October 22 2013 03:51 justanothertownie wrote: Game ain't easy. Syllo, is it CR/yamato? As I said I would kill this slot and with the potion/BH situation I don't like a hopeless lynch that much. On October 22 2013 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: Wow, that was sketchy. | ||
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On one hand, On October 22 2013 05:47 Skanjab1s wrote: This is his last contribution before the lynch; and suggests no premeditation towards Stutters.The closeness of the lynch points more to CRay scum. It is pointless as scum to try last minute switch the lynch off of one townie and onto another. On the other hand, scum KP at 3 members is already 1KP for this cycle. Its a very risky move to hammer a townie (regardless of secret vote) for the benefit of 1 town lynch. I don't think the risk is worth the reward. As scum, I have hammered a townie last-second before, but made sure I had a story backed up over the past 3-4hrs to why. i.e. the concept was premeditated and I could back it up. Skanjab doesn't have this. As we know with claims: typically the awkwardly revealed claims are usually from town, and the big spiels that are perfectly crafted are usually fake-claims. Lastly, I have had a townread on Skanjab since his Yamato case, Day1. This has nothing to do with that he made a case on Yamato. It had to do with his approach. I asked him int he QT his thoughts on Yamato. He made a semi-case of points that suggested a scum mindset. I said I agreed. When Skanjab decided to unveil his case in the thread; he actually fleshed it out significantly more than the QT. That effort is something I *FIRMLY* associate with town. i.e. he had the confidence that his read was right due to QT talk, and then put more effort into the case. I find it hard-pressed to believe scum would have a mindset capable to do this. Skanjab is town. | ||
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On October 22 2013 09:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Two things that made me think yamato is town: (1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum. (2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum). (3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are. -rayn (1)Clearly, Yamato attacked Koshi via clear discredit attempt. (2) So at least you can admit he was not overly trying to look townie. Where is this town credit coming from then? Did he really try to progress the game? His attitude between Champions game/this one are MILES apart. His attitude between Noir/this game are MILES apart. Do you disagree? | ||
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On October 22 2013 09:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Wait what? Assuming you are town and Skan is scum; If i was in Skan's position and someone told me my case on a townie had merit i would totally expand it and post it in thread. Did Skan push the lynch on D1? Did he push it on D2? -rayn U get your point but the same can be asked why I did not vote with the case if I agreed. I had my reasons. But ok, maybe you would expand. I just know I wouldn't. If the case was already convincing, why try harder? | ||
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On October 22 2013 10:00 raynpelikonoshi wrote: this doesn't answer my query.Probably because the Champions game. duh.. Do i look like i put the same effort into this game i put into the Champions game? Is that alignment indicative? -rayn Look. Maybe yam is town. But if he is, you are not doing a good job of abating my read | ||
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And onegu was town cos et went after him, right? | ||
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Though I will say holyflare was underwhelming the second half of day2. | ||
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On October 22 2013 10:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Btw Mocsta, to your second point. Koshi's post on Skanjab1s was really bad. I understand that if it was made by me yamato would insta-lynch me. That's only fair and imo pointed towards him being town. -rayn Yeah but me and a couple others also wanted confirmation to whether koshi made that case. The difference with yam is that he followed through with a discredit. Why would town need to say that? How does it help promote a positive sentiment? Further he doesn't even state why it's scummy enough to warrant a discrrdit. | ||
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On October 22 2013 10:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote: That's what yamato does.:p To me that looks more townie than scummy. -rayn Maybe. I know he likes to call people bad all the time. Perhaps this fits in this category. Process of elimination is then tending towards Vayne Jat Maybe holyflare I'm finding this game quite difficult. Lots of people come in at the last couple.hours and Ggrrrr. | ||
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On October 22 2013 10:40 Holyflare wrote: I wasn't even here.............................. Did u not post u were in a lecture and was phone posting. That stuff was all underwhelming regardless of circumstance | ||
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This is indicative of you 8hrs ago. Hence, the circumstances have no bearing on why you were underwhelming. You choose to post. And the content was lacking at a pivotal time. | ||
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On October 22 2013 11:27 Holyflare wrote: By the way, who are the people cephiro has a coin on? Me and 2 others. | ||
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Did u find grackwron case to be a genuine effort? | ||
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After lastargument died. Skanjab instantly wondered if anyone thought stutters could be scum even though he was masoned to marv. Bh instantly replies. Role != allignment Point is. Did skanjab do anything to flesh out this read? I'm on phone so it's hard to check filter. | ||
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That's toad et. This is bullshit now. U immediately suspected stutters of being scum regardless of being masoned with lastargument. And now self admit to doing nothing to develop this read. Then u end up voting him.... Ok. Sno agreed that stutters isn't instant town, but he's done more in the thread to develop his read than u. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:13 Blazinghand wrote: You said you know when the deadline was, but you also posted a vote after the deadline. How does that compute? Clearly there is a lie. Either 1) you didn't know when the deadline was or 2) your vote was not cast in good faith which is it? This is a very scummy bifurcation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma What perturbs me greater is that you are commenting on live matters; where are your scum reads based on the past 140 pages? | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:17 Blazinghand wrote: 1 out of 3 scummers, right? Lolboy if only I posted some big awesome analysis on yamato's filter with meta and stuff BOY IF ONLY I DID THAT I GUESS I DIDNT SO YEAH YOUR POINT MAKES PERFECT SENSE So the theory you are proposing is that: (1) Skanjab has the power to secret vote and in the process of trying to PM the hosts in teh last minute, performed his vote swap too late? Cos this is stupid. .. its not like the hosts update the vote counts every 2min.. and even so, the secret vote popped up in the vote count 5 MINUTES BEFORE DEADLINE (2) Skanjab and Yamato are of the same alignment.... From your "awesome meta read on yamato" do you think yamato treated Skanjab like they are the same alignment? | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:14 Chairman Ray wrote: Yo, I'm back, gonna be on for a bit. I've caught up with the last few pages about the Skan discussion. I don't think this discussion regarding Skan and myself being mafia team is quite productive IMO, but that's because I know that I'm town. Given the circumstances, I think it's obvious that I'm gonna flip in the morning from vig. My flip would be the most advantageous for town given that I'm gonna be a semi-lurker, and also it gives good information regarding Skan. Since I'm town, what Skan did was just move his vote from one town to another, drawing suspicion. I don't think this is a mafia thing to do really. Personally if I was mafia, I would not vote switch on two town last minute, unless the winning votes was low like 3-3. With low vote numbers, it may be advantageous for mafia to not be responsible for a mislynch. This is not the case since there were plenty of voters on both stutters and myself. Bingo. and BH just gave himself away forgetting this. | ||
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& Holyflare has really fallen to pieces since Day2 started. I guess pandain was right. On October 17 2013 15:46 Pandain wrote: Holyflare is quite interesting, but he'll slip up eventually if he is scum. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:27 syllogism wrote: Mocsta JAT isn't mafia. By the way, can you tell me more about your role? Can you still do something? Hi Syllo, I don't have a scum read currently on JAT. He is just someone I want to see more opinion from. Scum have 1KP, so I suppose this is safe (pending any type of KP from Cephiro....) I am the town equivalent of Pandain. The irony being I am a SAM and bad guy in the series; and he being a mafia and good guy in the series. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:29 Holyflare wrote: Really, what is wrong with my power speculation? I'm trying to find the person who threw out a secret vote to quite clearly get stutters lynched. Based on what evidence. You listed BH as a medic. There is no way to have knowledge of that currently; and to make a judgement call on 6 people because of that ASSUMPTION is ridiculous. | ||
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I will admit I have not filter dived you yet, and the thread is so spammy over the past 5 pages I am not sure if this has been stated. Your Day2 vote ended up on BH. Why? - you were present & If you had such a scum read on him; why is the medic claim taken at face value. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:42 Holyflare wrote: We await your findings to this.What I want to know as I've seemingly missed it is: Why would the vote be between a guy that was mason confirmed and a guy that got replaced? Who started this? There were at least 3-4 people pushing for hufflepuff ONLY kills as a mafia was confirmed to be in there. How did this change? Why did cephiro let this shit happen or mattchew, they were quite clearly advocates of the hufflepuff lynches. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:54 Holyflare wrote: Will do; Also in regards to my play 'becoming worse', please read heavyweight championship, same thing. I hope so, because by 1/2 Day1; you and LastArgument were my two best town reads. I will be severely disappointed if you con me that hard. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Stutter Lynch] + On October 22 2013 04:45 You-Know-Who wrote: VOTE COUNT DAY 2: Blazinghand (1) : Mattchew (0) : Cephiro (2) : Mocsta, Mocsta (0) : Grackaroni (1) : VayneAuthority Holyflare (0) : Hopeless1der (3) : Chairman Ray (7) : syllogism, Onegu, Sn0_Man, Grackaroni, Skanjab1s, justanothertownie, Stutters695 Stutters695 (3) : Not voting (0) : Currently Chairman Ray is set to be lynched. Deadline is in . Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in the Voting Thread. On October 22 2013 04:58 You-Know-Who wrote: VOTE COUNT DAY 2: Blazinghand (1) : Mattchew (0) : Cephiro (2) : Mocsta, Mocsta (0) : Grackaroni (1) : VayneAuthority Holyflare (0) : Hopeless1der (1) : Chairman Ray (6) : syllogism, Onegu, Stutters695 (7) : Not voting (0) : Stutters has been lynched. I am concerned about are the "useless votes" i.e. solo votes on people not up for lynch Holyflare (Blazinghand) Mocsta (Cephiro) Hopeless1der (Cephiro) Vayne (Grackeroni) Mattchew (Hopeless1der) + Show Spoiler [Palmar lynch] + On October 19 2013 05:10 You-Know-Who wrote: VOTE COUNT: End of Day 1: Palmar was lynched. Palmar (12) : Grackeroni, Pandain, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow, I-be-Pro, Cephiro (2) : Sn0_Man (2) : Mattchew (2) : StorrZerg (2) : VayneAuthority (1) : Yamato77, raynpelikonoshi (1) : Stutters695 (1) : Blazinghand (0) : Hopeless1der (0) : Onegu (0) : Skanja1bs (0) : Yamato77 (0) : Not voting (1) : Palmar Holyflare (Cephiro -> Mattchew) Mocsta (Mattchew -> Cephiro -> BH -> Palmar) Hopeless1der (Vayne -> Cephiro -> Stutters) Vayne (Palmar) Mattchew (Storrzerg -> Sn0_Man -> Cephiro) In Summary: [Holyflare] (Cephiro -> Mattchew) ; (Blazinghand) [Mocsta] (Mattchew -> Cephiro -> BH -> Palmar) ; (Cephiro) [Hopeless1der] (Vayne -> Cephiro -> Stutters) ; (Cephiro) [Vayne] (Palmar) ; (Grackeroni) [Mattchew] (Storrzerg -> Cephiro -> Stutters) ; (Hopeless1der) vayne looks pretty bad for two immobile votes. Will need to assess reasoning. (1) Palmar On October 18 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote: I can't have a go for trusting Pandain because I had a town read on Pandain; but this is a non-committal vote in its finest form.##vote: Palmar I trust pandain so far from our QT and I don't see the strong day 1 town play that everyone was talking about in thug life ( where he was scum) This is not even close to the same but i could see it as kind of a defeatist "scum twice in a row ffs" sort of thing. awaiting some more of his posts. (2) Cephiro On October 18 2013 22:50 VayneAuthority wrote: Interesting; so how did Grackeroni get voted Day 2?as stated earlier im waiting for his follow up posts with his slight scum reads to see where he is going with this. if he doesnt deliver before deadline lynch cephiro. I won't be around for deadline. (3) End of night post On October 20 2013 05:32 VayneAuthority wrote: indeed, pandain started with his town meta and then was unable to keep it up. echelontee was obvious scum so good shot there, surprised about lonemeow since its impossible to tell people like that alignment as far as im aware. should be plenty obvious im town now with the harry potter red flip. I could only know that main characters could be scum if I was scum. I think the rest of our house is town FYI This is just odd. If ET was obvious scum, why was there no discussion on him in Vaynes filter? What is the point of this commentary about pandain/lonemeow. This reads to me as someone that feels compelled to talk, but does not know what to say. Yet, he is clearly aware of his limited filter, as he is quick to dismiss his main character post confirming him town. I will assume, that was the purpose of the post; and the above is fluff. (Post in question) On October 18 2013 02:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont give a shit, they said that in golden sun too and the 4 main characters of the game were all blue roles but nobody knew the flavor thankfully. Im confirmed town as far as im concerned until a main character flips scum. (4) Cephiro On October 20 2013 05:34 VayneAuthority wrote: Its not clear at all why Cephiro suddenly isn't mafia. Previously, Cephiro was his back-up plan???cephiro isn't mafia so either way we were going to mislynch. too bad palmar never posted again, i waited forever. (5) Pushing low-credit players On October 20 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote: i think we should lynch JAT actually based on the QT. he seems extremely mad, like some one that just lost 3 allies. Palmar; Cephiro; JAT all had low town credit. Recurring theme now; no reasoning and cannon fodder. (6) Interesting Post On October 20 2013 07:32 VayneAuthority wrote: In response to Hopeless1der: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20019715 stating that Mattchew, Storr, Vayne are town.good catch there hopeless, mafia first then a bunch of town in a list post is a verry common mafia thing since they think about their allies first. Mattchew is town. Vaynes response: Mattchew is Town (Where is commentary on Storr/Vayne.....) (7) Possible Lie On October 20 2013 07:34 VayneAuthority wrote: seems pretty straightforward to me, i don't have much to add this game. may or may not be bitter that im role-less in an experimental game. He has suggest heavily he is Hermime? Flavour suggested by all flips suggests that that role will have abilities. "Role-less" seems too convenient. (8) Vayne is reading the game carefully On October 20 2013 09:49 VayneAuthority wrote: This was in response to a series of thoughts I wrote within a spoiler in an already big post.yamato died in the champions game so he's pretty out of excuses. this is why you dont need to lynch yamato earlier as I stated at the beginning. He grows bored of scum and just stops doing anything except being mad For someone reading the game this carefully, I would expect him to be more involved with getting town into a good position. (9) Reasoning for Grack On October 20 2013 12:45 VayneAuthority wrote: If I had to pick from that list I would want to lynch grack first since he will never reveal his alignment. learned from thug life that he is apt to troll as both alignments so that would be my first pick. This is extremely weak; and ties into the concept of Palmar/Cephiro/Jat (10) Opposite opinion to the whole thread On October 20 2013 12:51 VayneAuthority wrote: This reads exactly like his vote on Palmar. Because of analysis from Player "X" I am voting you !the real difference is there not a currently residing confirmed scum in my house...and I heavily agree with hopeless' analysis. Leaving you and holy. Holy looks better by far so there you have it. Funny, that now he agrees Storr is town, whereas, there has been zero comment/interaction previously. (11) The Kicker On October 21 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote: This post off a glance makes perfect sense. There is a cop check in Hufflepuff; find who the scum is...however, pretty much all the people I have town reads on where trying to find the other 2 scum as well. Ultimately, we didn't even lynch a person in Hufflepuff. Vayne on the other hand is more than happy with his actions slumping purely to cop check.I dont understand the rage post involving grack considering I made it perfectly clear that I would lynch grack over you holyflare but you are the 2 most suspect to me. So yes, off a glance, Vaynes actions are what you would expect of town. But based on how the game actually progressed, his mentality is not congruent with where town was. (12) Feigns responsibility again On October 22 2013 00:27 VayneAuthority wrote: Not really much more to say to this.yoyo so obviously grack isnt being lynched who should I vote for? preferably some input from some obviously town people. I read over the last 10 pages and couldn't understand what is going on (13) Consistency On October 22 2013 14:24 VayneAuthority wrote: Somehow, is back to JAT. Zero reasoning of course.zero chance I ever save yamato's spot for stutters, as I said in our QT I think everyone is town except possibly JAT. For starters, I didn't even have internet during the lynch today. loL Vayne is scum. He has had some questionable interactions that in isolation I can waive via benefit of the dobut. However, now that 2 day cycles has expired; the examination of his filter holistically clearly shows a mindset indicative of accepting zero responsibility/accountability; zero scum hunting; and zero congruency with town. Vayne is scum, and should be the next lynch/vig target. | ||
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On October 22 2013 15:14 Grackaroni wrote: VayneAuthority was just temp banned for 2 days by zatic. That account was created on 2012-10-18 05:37:07 and had 3432 posts. Reason: Take your flamewar elsewhere. LOL. Better get that replacement hunt going DAMN IT. | ||
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On October 22 2013 15:56 Blazinghand wrote: i didn't read your case cause vayne is probably getting modkilled How convenient.... | ||
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Either way, it's going to be revealed end of cycle. Hopefully mattchew decides to come back | ||
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On October 22 2013 16:04 Blazinghand wrote: yeah and don't you feel stupid for it now? Fir making a case for a player in the game at the time.. no I don't Gtfo | ||
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BH keeps toying with everyone, but he had enough understanding to RNG his doc claim on the right personlol. so in the words of vayne expelliarmus blazinghand | ||
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On October 22 2013 18:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Hufflepuff are so scummy. Grack looks really bad if VA flips town. VA has been on Grack ass since end D1. Mattchew looks so scummy to me. Insane. Hopeless looks a bit scummy to me. But he has that potion thingie. Storrzerg looks scummy to me. But he has Housechecks that need to add up. Holyflare looks town to me. This makes sense. I always wondsered why pandain didn't want to try for pick up line but suggested Grack to. My guess was. Pandain was sole scum in his houseand Grack had highest scum count | ||
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On October 22 2013 23:14 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Do we like the idea that when Vayne flips scum it was because Hosts didn't want to replace 4 scummers this game? Nope. Don't game the host. That was proven in Noir with Kitamin. If people are scum, its because of how they played; not because they replaced. | ||
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On October 22 2013 23:26 Grackaroni wrote: BH as doc makes sense and its risky for mafia because he has to explain why he is alive and why prominent townies are dying off. Or.... mafia realise its essentially game over, and now just trying to fuck with town as much as they can for some form of dignity. How is that any more far fetched than what you were assuming with Skanjab prior? | ||
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On October 22 2013 23:53 Sn0_Man wrote: Read up to this point. I dislike skanjab but I liked mocsta's reasoning for him being town. I'm interested in the vayne flip. I stand by the stutters swap being better than the CR lynch regardless of outcome, although the secret vote DOES look ugly. Currently I'm attributing it to cephiro but who knows. Don't THINK BH is scum atm but his window of opportunity for being more obviously town is slipping fast. yeah looked at lastargument filter + supersoft supersoft was most likely a respect kill lastargument was on lonemeow, mattchew + holyflare aside from storr thinking mattchew is town, there does not seem to be too much going for him? | ||
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On October 23 2013 00:09 Holyflare wrote: What..? Marv said he was leaning town on mattchew, he liked my content and he hated skanjabs reply after night/lonemeow and et. You even reading? Really? p5, last words spoken on Holyflare: On October 19 2013 19:08 LastArgument wrote: Holyflare, you are significantly less active than the towngames of yours that I have looked at, what gives? Last words spoken on Mattchew: On October 20 2013 03:28 LastArgument wrote: I'm curious whether this post constitutes you playing better than Noir, which was your stated goal earlier in this game? It feels quite apathetic. In Noir one of your early mafia-reads was correct (Stutters), was it not? You seem a bit less emotionally invested this game. I do have a couple of reasons to think you may be town, but I'm not very confident in them. If you are looking for a hard scum read, then, no, that is not there. Being Day1 play, what more do you expect? These suspicions have not abated throughout the Day2, and thus, are still relevant. | ||
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On October 23 2013 00:10 Holyflare wrote: Ebwop: After night. He also disliked et and lonemeow They are out of the game; not worth discussing. I shall admit though, this inclusion strengthens his reads though and hence, my point (as those 2 were correct) | ||
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On October 23 2013 00:17 syllogism wrote: Don't bother trying to deduce anything from the night kills. Ravenclaw's reads were largely based on QT dialogue and with 2 of our main reads flipping red on n1, it's completely pointless to attribute the kills to anything beyond that. I'm pretty sure Ravenclaw was going to get hit even if we hadn't pushed any reads at all. Are you treating BH as self-fulfilling prophecy? Or anticipating he will be lame and claim a RB; or similar? | ||
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On October 23 2013 00:46 StorrZerg wrote: Is this normal for mafia? to have this many people replaced? its normal for a game of mafia. Whether the candidates are mafia or town is irrelevant. Anyone that argues against that is stupid. Replacements are done in first-come first-served basis. | ||
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On October 23 2013 00:48 Sn0_Man wrote: Not really. Theres usually at least 1 or 2 though, simply due to the time requirements and how life isn't necessarily so predictable. Plus people can go emo or w/e. More post-game.. But seriously, i dunno why ppl like stutters even bother to sign up. Its frustrating as fuck to have him as a team mate (town or scum), and he doesn't give a shit. says its his meta. | ||
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On October 23 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote: You guys have any questions for me? I just finished reading JAT I doubt he is scum, going to go over skanjabs now. Hi Onegu. The biggest question mark for me right now is Grackeroni. Do you have any thoughts on him (after skanjab i suppose) | ||
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On October 23 2013 01:05 syllogism wrote: I just noticed that earlier on Yamato said on the QT that he would have honestly replaced out of this game if he was Mafia. Ouch. If Yamato is then town; does this make Skanjab look better, worse, or indifferent? | ||
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On October 23 2013 01:14 Onegu wrote: Ok I will look at grack now, to be honest I am much more interested in Mattchew and Holyflare from huffle right now as the scum player. I thought you already looked at mattchew, which is why i said Grack. Carry on however you see fit. | ||
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On October 23 2013 01:10 syllogism wrote: This doesn't make him town at all. That was, I believe, a reference to him being busy in championship mafia, which then ended and he made promises of activity and then disappeared. I see what you are saying; seems a stretch to me though. I imagine it is more plausible that as scum and playing in championship as town; he would replace out immediately in this game - based off that quote. | ||
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On October 23 2013 08:40 Cephiro wrote: Because I have him my house QT, and I don't expect him to die anytime soon. Pandain however during D1 looked very towny and a possible target to me (in hindsight I was completely wrong), but it ended up being a good choice since he died. (I sent my coins on D1 like just before the deadline, Mocsta should be able to confirm this as he received it just then.) As clarification, the coins are sent the instant mods notice my PM. I can't confirm receiving coins.... | ||
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It makes zero sense that Sno saved bh because Sno power would have CPR the shooter. So. Either 1. I rb scum kp via bh 2. Scum shot storrzerg at 1.5kp which is so ducking dumb.... 3. Something we aren't aware of Now what's weird is the lack of vig kill... I expected vig to be multi shot hence the lack of claim... So how did lonrmeow die? Also. I thought cephiro said he was going to full claim end of night.. what gives?? This hufflepuff bullshit is so frustrating. Im so confused. Mission successful I suppose. Lastly. Syllo needs to explain why jay is town. He's hard backed him up several times | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:08 StorrZerg wrote: i wouldn't your pm basically be the coin itself? Why would I know that? I received two pm from cepbiro so far | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:12 Cephiro wrote: According to the answers I received from the hosts, both should be informed separately as soon as they are able to act. It may be that there was no different notication on D1 however, since I remember almost forgetting about using my ability (which is why I used it so close to the deadline) as I was busy defending myself. That time I PMed both whom should receive the coins and what message should be sent in the same message, so it may be that they only received the message. In any case, I will go to sleep unless someone has a question for me. And if it's about a full roleclaim, don't bother. At least not now. Who was the other, than myself | ||
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However syllo raised a good counter, that role is not alignment even if medic. It's still possible scum shot storr if they thought he was cop as that suggests playing die the long game... Which means all arereads are qwrong and that people like rayn are scum. I find this unlikely. | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:18 Cephiro wrote: Hell yes I do. You're asking nonsense questions like "Who was the other", when you know every single lover of mine that has been chosen. And you're playing horribly. You're not contributing, you're claiming weird as hell roles and actions. What have you been doing all game really? Mire than u, asshole | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:20 Cephiro wrote: Someone please kill Mocsta. -_- I'll get a new power for town to use and he doesn't seem like a big loss. ##serpentitus cephiro Enjoy the nuke... Better get ya reads out asap... | ||
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Bh was a good choice. I had a scum read on zaragon, and everyone willing to believe he was medic, bh was the ideal choice to execute night kill. If I didn't rb bh, and no Nk happened. We would be in a worse spot than now arguably... I.e. still no night kill. It really comes down to what is more plausible. Bh fake claiming and getting blocked Or Scum playing the long game, which suggests are reads are all wrong. If I was scum, 3 man down and under pressure. I would just want to start shooting town. Long game is too much balls. | ||
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I think he was postless in the thread. | ||
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But def not both. Hmmmmm. I'm leaning towards chairman currently. | ||
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On October 23 2013 13:45 syllogism wrote: Hi Mocsta, full claim please. All of your abilities. I still have house watcher power and tonight can medic save. I have one more power that is redirection based. | ||
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2. Delayed vig 3. Medic save 4. Redirect with a twist | ||
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I said I'm the town equivalent of pandain. | ||
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I was citing from memory | ||
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Rb at night 2 Medic at night 3 Bus driver at night 4 | ||
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On October 23 2013 14:52 syllogism wrote: So what's the twist about your bus driver Mocsta? Is it important? I didn't even want to role claim in the first place. Its unquestionable I am town regardless. As an aside: You proposed a theory prior about roles being reflected equally between town/scum. You + Hopeless are jack of all trade. Hopeless1der = scum?? Are you giving him town credit SOLELY for giving reads on Pandain filter? 2 things (1) First in, first to represent filters as he sees fit (2) Gave out town reads... which if all correct, are easy to do as scum (and could be genuine as town) | ||
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On October 23 2013 14:58 syllogism wrote: How is it unquestionable? Yes it is important since you don't seem to even remember your powers and roleblocking BH makes zero sense. Too bad. I did it. You said yourself not all townies play perfectly. So what if I don't remember my powers. I'm at work multi-tasking; going out of my way to assist you, might I add. | ||
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My turn Why is JAT near confirmed town? | ||
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On October 23 2013 15:02 Holyflare wrote: Your powers are so self preservation orientated it doesn't make sense as a town role ... thats the best you got? | ||
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During the Nightcycle I got my 2nd "coin" from Cephiro. Until he mentioned them a couple hours ago I thought they were just PMs. Clearly I cant paste PMs, so this is the paraphase -Lovers: Mocsta, Sno + Grack -I would have liked a member from ravenclaw -I assume your three are town (but I am suspicious of Mocsta) -Sn0 might be guessable, but keep quite -I can only send one message a day to everyone Important, cos before he was talking about coins, hence my confusion -Keep quite, we should band together and vote the scum in hufflepuff. -Talks about an ability to vote together as a hose, and mentions 5 votes... i cant tell if this is related to houses; or considering this dumbledore army as a house. - Codewrod given to speak in the thread. -He may reveal powers tomorrow based on how night actions resolve Again, this is why I expected a full claim from him -Mentions wanting to know Sn0 role - Asks Grack to post more and be more pertinent and to the point. - Says I should consider sacrificing myself to him I have no clue what this even means - FInishes by adding a phrase about banding together to lynch scum. | ||
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On October 23 2013 15:06 Holyflare wrote: What else is there for me to comment on? I already mentioned your bh shit and I've asked the mods if kp is rb'able. Since when can you NOT roleblock KP? | ||
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On October 23 2013 15:07 syllogism wrote: Because no one has claimed the lonelymeow vig hit and he asked me who would be a good target on n1? I assume this is related to JAT. If so, I don't get it. On October 19 2013 07:16 syllogism wrote: LoneMeow, for instance On October 19 2013 07:44 justanothertownie wrote: I suggest you look at his filter from Noir (don't worry it's short). For more context, this is the precursor. On October 19 2013 07:04 syllogism wrote: Sn0_man isn't a good vig target tonight. Can we calm down and not do anything hasty? On October 19 2013 07:15 justanothertownie wrote:Who is then? If anything, this reads to me as he is trying to deflect a vig shot *OFF* lonemeow. Further, ctrl+f his filter for "lone" or "lm" indicates that the above quote is his ONLY reference to LoneMeow before he died. | ||
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On October 23 2013 15:16 syllogism wrote: What's your character name Mocsta? Why is this necessary? Seriously, I got no idea what roles are left for the 3 scum. | ||
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##Vote: JustAnotherTownie The only reason I wasn't considering him last day cycle is because you called him confirmed town. Now that I know the reasoning; I don't think it holds water. | ||
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On October 23 2013 15:20 syllogism wrote: People have been claiming character names since n1 and nothing has happened. Not particularly worried about mafia killing you either. Well on that note, stfu | ||
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I assumed the vig was multi-shot... but there was no shot last night which broke that theory. I go back to my Day2 theory. SK. Cephiro shot LoneMeow. Because he gained powers and (potentially) activated the "deathly hallows" it may have given him a shooting restriction for a cycle to *CHARGE UP*. | ||
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On October 23 2013 15:21 syllogism wrote: The point being that you are one of the people that might get lynched, not that you have been playing poorly. Get lynched for what? Making an incorrect case on Vayne in the midst of him being modkilled? Storrzerg was right, I am Draco. | ||
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On October 22 2013 05:11 You-Know-Who wrote: The Deathly Hallows have appeared. *I'm looking at Cephiro* | ||
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On October 23 2013 15:35 syllogism wrote: For the record, I always fish information about the setup. I think this was related to Holyflare asking about factional KP being able to be RB'd. | ||
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Well that quote extension changes everything. yes, i shall vote Cephiro ##Vote: Cephiro | ||
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On October 24 2013 07:21 Grackaroni wrote: I still want to lynch into Skanjab1s/CR. I think Skan is full of shit. as much as I don't like your recent play. pointing out skanjab is true. out of everyone barely contributing the past 2 or 3 cycles. we expect onegu to lurk.. but skqnjab is rquite the surprise | ||
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anything you say on the matter is moot | ||
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I can really dig some skanjab votes next cycle to. | ||
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On October 24 2013 08:38 Cephiro wrote: Also for this... I did crumb beforehand who I'd check. I also crumbed the result, but that crumb is so complicated that there is a snowflakes chance in hell anyone finds it out. I'll give a hint though for those who don't think it's bs: Finland. If you find this one out before I claim it tomorrow, I'll be very, very impressed. For now, good night. more cocktease I actually don't care anymore if u flip town and rayn is a gf or whatever framed blah blah your a distraction too hard to ignore regardless of alignment. | ||
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On October 24 2013 08:39 Grackaroni wrote: That's still not worthy of all the bitching I've been receiving. yeah it is, cos it means you are not contributing at all | ||
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On October 24 2013 08:56 Grackaroni wrote: [It could be Rayn but I'd honestly just lynch into scan/CR. On October 24 2013 08:57 justanothertownie wrote:Ok... I'm not that against this actually. I am struggling to reconcile myself with this Cephiro vote. I never thought he was mafia; I thought he was 3rd party. Whereas Syllo seems to think he has potential to be mafia. Regardless, I am struggling to reconcile because I feel like I am placing a vote on Cephiro due him being an asshole, not necessarily because I think he is our best vote. Considering Chairman has been non-existent in 48hrs, I am leaning towards moving my vote there quite heavily. I will give him another 4 hrs to post a meaningful contribution, otherwise, I will swap my vote to CR. | ||
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On October 24 2013 09:53 Holyflare wrote: Why vote for the guy that will probably get modkilled mocsta? I didn't contemplate that actually. BUT.. On October 23 2013 14:00 Chairman Ray wrote: um hi, so I'm kinda surprised to see I didn't get shot. Vig, where are you! hi That is his 1 required post / day. I suppose when I said he hasn't posted in 48hrs, that was technically hyperbole. | ||
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On October 24 2013 09:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So why is everyone wanting to lynch outside me/Cephiro? It's a 50% chance of hitting scum. For Cephiro, if he is town, lynching me would be 100% and he is hesitant to lynch me.. lol..-rayn I need this made a level dumber for me. I can't keep up with whats happened and I don't have time to filter dive right now. My understanding is that Mattchew got off 2 house cop checks. There is 1 scum in Gryff and 1 scum in Huffle + Show Spoiler [original] + On October 18 2013 14:20 Mattchew wrote: Ravenclaw: Onegu, Syllo LastArgument Tunkeg Supersoft Yamato huffle: StorrZerg, Palmar Mattchew HolyFlare Hopeless Grack slytherin: Mocsta, EchelonTee blazinghand I-Be-Pro sn0_man skanjabs1s Gryff: Cephiro Pandain VayneAuthority raynpelikonoshi Stutters695 justanothertownie With bias colours (blue = townish; bold = null/scummish) On October 18 2013 14:20 Mattchew wrote: Ravenclaw: Onegu, Syllo LastArgument Tunkeg Supersoft Yamato huffle: StorrZerg, Palmar Mattchew HolyFlare Hopeless Grack slytherin: Mocsta, EchelonTee blazinghand I-Be-Pro sn0_man skanjabs1s Gryff: Cephiro Pandain VayneAuthority raynpelikonoshi Stutters695 justanothertownie Aside from the 1 scum in huff/Gryff. Cephiro: Has a green check on Rayn? (But later said it was a role check?) | ||
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On October 24 2013 10:08 Holyflare wrote: That is the post cephiro is referring to for his D3 claim. Find the breadcrumb, get a cookie On October 23 2013 08:32 Cephiro wrote: . I do not believe JAT to be scum currently. Me want cookie. | ||
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On October 24 2013 10:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Mocsta. Cephiro has a green + rolename check on me from N1. From N2 there is a house check that says there is 1 scum in Gryff. People who are alive in Gryff at that point: Cephiro raynkoshi JAT (shot scum) Vayne (flipped green) In case there is no framer shit there must be scum in me/Cephiro. I do not believe there is any sort of framer shit. I also do not believe the cop is lying (because of the modkill shennies) -rayn So the argument is that: Cephiro does not want to lynch you because if he secures the mislynch, he becomes confirmed anti-town. Thus to elongate his life; he must push for lynches outside Griffyndor? K. I'm still happy with a Cephiro lynch then. Now its beyond being an asshole. + I'm very curious to see the flip for Storrzerg before figuring out how to treat hufflepuff. | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:55 Cephiro wrote: Also Mocsta, if you wanted to be more convincing you could've at least gone ##Sectumsempra. On October The Deathly Hallows have appeared. ZOMG Lynch this muda-far-quad | ||
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U said u r not caught up. Why do u know about the modkills? | ||
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The timing is just too coincidental There's no vig left.. so his martyr is meaningless And he knows about things he shoukdnt if he hasn't caught up | ||
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Grack. U said u might be miller.do u have any powers? | ||
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On October 24 2013 12:06 Grackaroni wrote: I've claimed my role like 10 times already. No I don't have powers. There was even a big ordeal with rayn's fake claim regarding this very thing. This thread. I know.. but so many reveals are evolving. It's hard to keep track. Just so u know. We are squibbing you with the challenge potion. | ||
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I'm actually not enjoying this game at all. Cephiro is lots of failed promises so lets keep the lynch there. Reevaluate the rest once the modkills flip. 24hrs of boredom now | ||
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Heck. He even asked to be shot. | ||
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Anyhoo Maybe when the asshole is lynched this game will become enjoyable and I can be bothered to filter read. Like the content between Grack and rayn before is probably contentful. I just can't push myself beyond a skim... Sigh. | ||
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Matt is town And Storr is scum.. but whatevs. 24hrs to go. If both are town. Grack still looks better than holy without a reread. We will see I spose. | ||
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No one has cc'd jat so he is confirmed. Hmmm only thing going for onegu is that et pushed him. I'm going to have to review this.. onegu was scum in the desert game with marv right?? The et/onegu thong could be lime stutters pushing kush in noir. Real case cos it was real. I give that a quick read. Maybe onegu is the best lynch for today. | ||
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Auto-Correct I suppose. I'm going to read his filter. Seriously, whats with this game and delurks when called out. Today, Chairman + Onegu only open mouth cos they have been called out. sigh | ||
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Onegu isn't scum [Desert Mini - Mafia]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=Onegu&view=all This filter reads as quite distant and removed - whilst lurking. [Hogwarts - ?Town?]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Onegu&view=all Still lurking, but is just more direct and expansive in thought. | ||
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I know Cephiro for late Day1 was flavour du jour; however, considering ETs stance towards Pandain, to me at least, it suggests ET is one who does not like to bus Day1. For someone against bussing, he seems to be throwing a fair bit into Cephiro? On October 17 2013 20:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Cephiro said the chance that he skimmed the thread but nothing too bad happened, that there is a 91% chance that 6 scummers are in 2 houses or less (I guess he means 9%), and that keeping things in QT only is beneficial for mafia for that reason. On October 17 2013 20:17 EchelonTee wrote: isn't Cephiro a strong town player? no posts in thread yet posts in QT? ??? The insertion of "town" reads as a dangling carrot to cast doubt. The end part of ET filter is joining the Cephiro wagon. I still expect Cephiro to flip scum.. just that it will be 3rd party, definitely not mafia. | ||
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On October 17 2013 15:35 Pandain wrote: I also don't get this.The problem with lurkers is even if they have a good reason to lurk more often then not town players try to overcome their being disadvantaged from lurking while scum players will embrace it and act dumb. I have played for instance with the two players in my house Cephiro and Stutters and they both purposely lurked in Noir. The fact they could be asleep is also offset by the fact that Cephiro recently made a long post that clearly showed thought yet put off contributing in thread. Cephiro would you like to explain that? I have a town read on Grack because he is embracing his role but is still making some good points, but he is making a really weird point about not contributing which is really nonsensical to me. There could be a scum motivation to it, such as if his house is only him and therefore he doesn't want to help contribute, or there is the more likely instance that he simply hasn't thought it through. I want to eliminate the possibilities. Skanjab I have a town read on and I don't have a good read on Toad yet. Was your intent with this post to pressure me or are you serious; you've been looking for flaws where there really aren't any and it's contradicting with what I think you would be doing in looking for actually suspicious people. You don't think StorrZerg, being an esports mafia veteran taking a back seat in his first game of forum mafia is suspicious? You are putting assumptions about what I'm doing without any real logic, and I don't see any town reason. If you say this, is any response really going to help you? You say I left so much out, do you really expect me to put everything? You set higher standards for me then what is expected and I am interested in why. Firstly, Pandain gives out a town read to Grack for roleplaying early on (several times). And then gives Skanjab a town read with no foundation. Note, ETs position on Skanjab: On October 17 2013 20:07 EchelonTee wrote: raynpelikonoshi His first accusation has very weak basis. skanjab was clearly roleplaying and rayne+kosh use that as a reason for scum? And next he uses skanjab's inability to read the OP as a reason for scumminess. In fact, I would argue scum is much more likely to closely read the OP to not make mistakes like that, as they have a more involved role within the game. I find people make arguements of "oh, this person is trying to fake noob towniesness!" when in fact there are just a lot of noob townies around. He doesn't develop the argumenet further from this, just lets the vote lie. I'm tired as hell and have to sleep will try and post more tomorrow. I find it odd that pandain does not state Skanjab is town for roleplaying; otherwise, given Skanjabs sketchy start, its hard to comprehend where such a hard read comes from. This is exacerbated by ET stating that Skanjab was "clearly roleplaying" and then makes a counter-case on Koshi - which is a problem because at no point does he indicate a read on Skanjab. i.e. Without indicating that Skanjab is a town read; ET actions come across as a chainsaw defense of Skanjab. Lastly, I still haven't read Holyflare filter, but his interactions with Pandain above read pretty genuine to me. As in, Pandain is trying to dodge him as much as possible in an authentic manner. Assuming Storr + Matt are town; I prefer Hopeless1der as scum > Holyflare just based on that interaction. I dont think the potion is that big a deal; as it could be a way for mafia to have a medic save (to block the Palmar dayvig) etc. | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote: Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that. Pandain already had a vote on Mattchew and set himself up to vote Cephiro. What is the motivation for pandain to 'cockblock' LastArgument regarding Hopeless1der? If Hopeless1der is town, he is preventing an easy mislynch for a valid argument. It does not make any sense for this action to occur. Further, I wrote cockblock instead of criticise, as Pandain phrases his counter-argument in a way that does not actually promote further discussion. i.e. his statements thought questions, are phrased rhetorically. Lastly, Pandain chooses to interject at a pivotal time, yet, does not actually state what his read on Hopeless1der is. He is merely being an "observer providing commentary" - again, why do this to prevent a mislynch? What does make sense is if Pandain was defending Hopeless1der. | ||
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On October 24 2013 16:32 syllogism wrote: Mafia would have given the potion away on n1. When I received potion, I also got a PM telling exactly what it does. He can next give the "if target dies they live another 24 hours" potion. These potions make absolutely no sense for mafia, especially considering the person who gets the potion is told what they do. Yeah, i forgot about that.. In fairness: We don't know for certain that "resurrection' potion exists. - I see your point of view though. | ||
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Just read chair filter. He's scum.. first two posts are so scummy. Ceph than chair. That's what 72hrs... No wonder I'm over this. | ||
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This is the last I will say on Cephiro: It's a shame he tried to make the game way too complex, because, his reveal post was very authentic. Even so, he had to be voted. Was simply too secretive, dangling-carrot-ish. Gotta move on. I agree with Syllo, I'm very surprised that Cedric was a JOAT. I don't hold it against him for suggesting I am scum, because, our world just got flipped upside down. As I said before: The invulnerability potion is alignment null (its JUST as useful for scum in a game with lots of KP at the start). Thus, Hopeless1der JOAT claim makes him the theoretical counter-part to Storrzerg. Couple things: (1) I find it impossible to accept that scum vigged lonemeow (I have seen vivax do this before but its just so unlikely). (2) Just because Cephiro was town, does not make his reads right (I agere with Skanjab + Holyflare) but I would swap Onegu for Chariman_Ray. Chairman_Ray Last night, chariman made an odd post: On October 25 2013 03:18 Chairman Ray wrote: Town sometimes will ask to be green checked; but typically the scenario will be that they are under heavy suspicion and want to abate the mislynch threat.I'm not actually scum. I just think that if it gets down to lylo, then I'll be a liability since I'm basically a blank puzzle piece at endgame. I can't really do a lot of scumhunting, and there's little information everyone else knows about me. So it's better I flip early than later. If someone still has alignment checking powers, that would also be useful just to get me confirmed as town. In this situation: Chairman is not under heavy suspicion (by vote) and we are at a stage where a check would still be more useful to obtain a red-check then reduce the probabilities via green-check. Further, the phrasing that he uses it odd - it conveys an arrogant tone, as opposed to confidence. i.e. I am very sure that Chairman is a godfather. Which is why he is begging to be checked. Here are some interesting posts from Chairman On October 24 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote: Chairman... If u r up to date from joining to now What is your position on cephiro On October 24 2013 11:03 Chairman Ray wrote: Look at this waffle. I asked him for a position, and he still can not commit.Reading through his filter, he doesn't seem all that scummy to me tbh. That's why I didn't vote him yesterday. But what really strikes me is that there has to be a scum among Ceph, raynko, and JAT. IMO, ceph is probably a bit more scummy than the other two. Do we have enough town alive to plow through both huffle and griff? Either you think Cephiro is scum due to the check; or you think he is town and the check is INVALID. From reading rayn's filter, he's very adamant on lynching within griff to get the scum. He doesn't seem to have a strong preference on which person to lynch first. If he's town, he might just not have a solid read on one over the other and to him, 50% mafia lynch chance in the first lynch, and 100% on the second one is an attractive option. However if he's mafia, the check basically makes his days numbered. He says Cephiro is the scummiest of the 3 in the house, yet now is setting himself up to vote Rayn.... Once JAT and ceph flip town, then rayn is confirmed scum. So in this instance, he either has two options, and they are to avoid griff kills as a whole, or convince people to kill within griff so he dies last. So if raynko is scum, he's doing the latter. Overall, this doesn't tell us anything about raynko's alignment, but if we're plowing through griff looking for the one scum, I would want it to be in the order of ceph -> rayn -> jat, or jat -> rayn -> ceph. Here is cruxOnce JAT and ceph flip townWTF !?!?!?!?!?! He was just saying Cephiro was the most likely to flip scum; and now has a confidence that Ceph will flip town; and in addition to this, CR wants JAT lynched before Rayn when in the previous paragraph he explained how Rayn could be scum. Now, in the quote above, he explained how he didnt think Cephiro was scummy, so didnt vote him. Here is that post: On October 22 2013 04:19 Chairman Ray wrote: This is skewing what occured. Cephiro became active because he *had* to defend him. - Agreed, it is alignment null.Just read through Cephiro's filters. Big thing I notice is that he didn't post much, until after he started getting voted on heavily on day 2, then he went super active. This isn't much of an indicator of alignment though. Something does strike a bit odd though. I would expect that if a player is active, but not posting, then he's probably using all his time analyzing the thread. After Cephiro became active, most of his contributions have been for self defense, or to lynch into Hufflepuff. Nothing really indicates that he's been silently scumhunting. This may be behavior of scum trying to hide under the radar when someone else is a better target. Lynching into hufflepuff is a misrepresentation. He followed the next wagon: Palmar (who coincidentally was in hufflepuff) All up, gives a nullish read. However one good thing about Cephiro is that he stayed adamant on lynching Hufflepuff, even when he had the highest votes, and the next best lynch was myself who just replaced in. How is this a good point? Palmar was scum....Given that he didn't jump onto an easy lynch train for self-preservation, I think that his case for lynching into hufflepuff has some legitimacy. IMO, I don't think Cephiro is a good lynch for today This is a very poor reason to say "one good thing about Cephiro" and then in a future post; and essentially is just more waffle on a key item of discussion in the game.I will be reading into Hufflepuff filters next. And after all these promises of lynching into Hufflepuff. Who does CR vote? On October 22 2013 04:27 Chairman Ray wrote: If we're going to be lynching a lurker today, I think he's the best target IMO. I would be willing to vote stutters, but not Cephiro. ##unvote ##vote: stutters695 LYNCH WITH FIRE | ||
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filter I searched his filter for cases and Skanjab effectively has 1 case (on Yamato day 1). Later on, he swaps to Sn0 with some reasoning, but it is far from a case. Thats pretty much all he has done. On October 17 2013 21:48 Skanjab1s wrote: I thought this was a good case Day1 (maybe i was biased, because I asked him for thoughts on Yamato in the QT which led to this case I 'spose).+ Show Spoiler [yamato case] + In the QT, I was asked about my thoughts on yamato, these are them: I think he is scum, I dislike a lot of his posts: (1) He has been making a habit of lightly FoSing a bunch of people, but then not following up. Which feels to me like he is fishing for someone to latch on to, and waiting for town's consent before being willing to proceed. Examples: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote: Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is. On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote: that if it was Rayn I would lynch him on the spot? + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 15:57 yamato77 wrote: I will say about Matt, it seems odd to me that he instantly seems to trust me this game when I believe he thought I was mafia last game on D1 for absolutely no reason. I expect town Matt to be very suspicious of other people; it seems out of place for him to have such friendly interaction with me. All of these show yamato lightly FoSing people, and then failing to mention/pursue them again. (2) Here is another example that would fit in #1, but I feel it deserves a special mention because it shows yamato's inconsistency in his scum choices. On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote: zzzzzzzzzz Moc your opening posts always reek of scum He mentions Moc's post as "reeking of scum" but refuses to state what was scummy about the post. He futhermore, does not further pressure Moc, and instead, a short while later, defends Moc for the exact same post that he just said "reeks of scum": On October 17 2013 10:41 yamato77 wrote: this is true, but town in GoT were the idiots who came up with the secrecy idea in the first place, so this doesn't mean Moc is mafia unless he's playing intentionally stupid (3) After some game mechanics talk, we arrive at his OMGUS vote on VA. After VA casted "Expelliarmus" on him, he cast a vote onto VA with the reasoning "I'm sick of you". If we just ignore the OMGUS, this is still very poor reasoning for a vote, especially considering the amount of FoS's he has made with actual points. There is no reason given as to why he might think VA is scum whatsoever. Just after this post, he FoS'd Koshi/rayn again with this: On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote: Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is. But still does not vote for him, nor attempt to further push him, preferring instead to keep his vote on VA. To sum up this last point: This vote on VA feels to me like a reactionary vote in fear of VA's cast ability. It is further scummy when read in comparison to the other people he has FoS'd with actual reasoning that he neglects. ##vote: yamato On October 19 2013 00:15 Skanjab1s wrote: This is terrible. He drops the well-detailed yamato case for this crap; where is jsut nitpicking bad play as opposed to scummy play. He doesn't detail why this is scum mindset either.##Vote: sn0_Man + Show Spoiler [Sn0 reasoning] + Leans scum on palmar, says that he "could lynch him". Later backs down on this, and now in the QT says that he wants to sheep palmar's policy lynch on Mocsta and that even though he dislikes plynches, sheeping palmar's seems reasonable. A plynch that is agreed by the majority to be the correct play. I find it scummy that he would sheep his former scumread onto a policy lynch when he admits that he usually dislikes policylynches, and especially such a bad policy lynch.. On October 18 2013 14:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Not "hard" townreads. More like, No interest in lynching, and i'm lending value to what they say simply because all of them have well thought out posts. I'm considering them town/pro-town until evidence comes up. I dislike the phrase "until evidence comes up." It gives off a willingness to just sit back and wait for other people to scumhunt instead of showing an initiative to do it himself. He is also totes sheeping onto Cephiro and hasn't given any reasoning at all as to why he thinks Cephiro is scum. On October 21 2013 06:11 Hopeless1der wrote: I want ceph or stutters up for lynch today. Both have made promises of activity that remain unfulfilled. On October 21 2013 06:32 Skanjab1s wrote:What about yamato! Seriously... is this sequence of posts going to actually result in a lynch of the target? Considering the brevity of his former case on yamato; his current actions are not congruent. Reads as distancing to me.On October 23 2013 05:07 Skanjab1s wrote: Again.. why would this receive traction?I was hoping someone would shoot CR. ##Vote Chairman Ray Thoughts on a massclaim in the future? This is all his votes as detailed in the thread. Guy has done nothing all game aside from bussing yamato. And has then never pushed it. Conversely; this makes Grack town for this post: On October 22 2013 11:36 Grackaroni wrote: Unfortunately, at the time; it was written with too much personal opinion as opposed to fact/logic so it did not receive the respect it deserved.Skanjab1s + Show Spoiler + Skanjab1s writes a case on Yamato and pushes him in the thread early day1. Eventually Yamato disappears off his radar. On October 19 2013 00:47 Skanjab1s wrote: Classic "why me?" scum defense. I find yamato's reaction to my case acceptable. His sheeping onto Cephiro is not the most pressing concern to me at the moment. You are much more interesting, baby. When questioned by Sn0 Man, "why'd you drop your longstanding tunnel on him for no reason?" He says that Yamato's reaction to the case was satisfactory meaning he no longer had a scum read on him or wanted to lynch him. Then when Yamato goes MIA in thread for a long time he comes back with, On October 21 2013 02:10 Skanjab1s wrote: I still very much believe that yamato is scum, he didn't refute the points against him at all, he just said "ohthiscaseisshitushit" as a defense. Also it is apparently his scum meta to post less and less as the game goes on, as he has been doing. I am not as confident in my scumread of snoman anymore, I'm null/leaning town on him now. This is completely contradictory to what he said earlier. Also unlike Yamato, Stutters' scum meta isn't to post less and less as the game goes on that's his every game meta, yet his voted ended up on Stutters. On October 22 2013 05:00 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah ill vote for stutters, CRay looks like he will contribute mo' Final reasoning for vote switch is terrible. He had actual reasons to believe Yamato was scummy and they were much better than his reasons to lynch stutters. Skanjab1s didn't even mention Stutters before his last minute switch. Also his reasoning directly contradicts what he said earlier. On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote: Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. he was very confident in Yamato being scum and I don't think he could have been as confident in his read on stutters based on the reasoning he put out. On October 22 2013 06:06 Skanjab1s wrote: In retrospect, the things Stutters was doing were not scummier than what I posted on Yamato, I do not even know why I switched, but alas these are the things that made me think Stutters was scum: > Coming out of nowhere with just "Ceph is not town, because his role". Not offering any further insight into his scum read on Ceph > Says that as town, he doesn't just coast by (which he was doing). Then says that he is an infrequent poster, but as town he makes his thoughts known. As I've just said, he wasn't making his thoughts known at all. > Him telling someone to read the summary of Ceph's actions in the qt, but then someone else pointing out that there was no such summary, made me think that he was just saying it in thread to make it seem as if he was contributing, at least in his QT. Those were the things he posted that gave me scumfeels. Points 1 and 3 are totally invalid. 1) Stutters had a scum read before this post on cephiro and gave reasons besides he's scum because of his role. I would think if Skanjab1s was reading Stutters as scum he would have looked over his filter and realized this. 3) No scum in the history of mafia has lied about having posted something in a QT that he actually didn't and directed somebody to take a look at it in order to "appear contributory". 2) is just weak and I don't see why he would think him doing this is scummier than Yamato doing this. Aside from that Skanjab1s was very confident that Yamato was scum earlier and he was the only one I remember that wrote a case on Yamato. All mafia players have big egos; I think a natural response would be for him to want to have been right about Yamato all along and lynch his original scum read. Beyond all of that other reasoning I don't believe for one second that him showing up in the thread in the last minute was mere happenstance. He wanted Stutters to be lynched but he didn't want to risk losing the town cred from pushing Yamato so he waited it out without posting thoughts in thread that may look bad on him later. I can see the secret vote and him voting doesn't exactly line up but these situations can be very chaotic and scum teams don't have perfect organization. The crux of his case is how skanjab didn't follow through with his case on yamato. The points here re-enforce all the reasons why I think Skanjab is scum distancing yamato/chairman_ray LYNCH WITH FIRE !!! | ||
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Holyflare/Hopeless1der/Onegu/Blazinghand With the cop check on Hufflepuff: I suppose this reduces the potential to {Holyflare, Hopeless1der} Hopeless1der has be useless all game. Its a shame; I would love to attribute his lurking to being demotivated (with 3 scum flips Night 1).. however, then you have people like stutters/onegu. I can't recall a single thing Hopeless1der has done which is a problem. I do remember him asking people to look into Skanjab early Day1, but then never progressing it further. I even called him out on this. However, I can't use this until Skanjab flips - as its an association tell. Holyflare I really liked Day1, and has kept fading and fading. On October 25 2013 03:55 Holyflare wrote: People just assume I haven't been doing anything but I've actually been posting uselful things to determine who is scum, just nobody reads my filter and "assumes" i've done nothing...... I don't like posts like these because.. on one hand, clearly you recognise the need to change your approach if you want your message communicated and implemented - its not up to us to do that change. Thus, this can be taken as whinging to blend in -> i.e. scummy On the other hand, if you are being ignored, I can understand being demotivated to keep trying really hard. So that he keeps coming back is a very good sign. --> i.e. townie I am actually leaning towards the good sign; but need a filter dive to re-affirm how his votes have lined up. Personally, even though there is a house check on Holy/Hope I would rather leave this lynch to last as there is certain scum in Skanjab/Chairman | ||
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Medics. Syllo is safe tonight Jat is safe tonight I am safe tonight Please consider saving yourself. Otherwise, only suitable protects are grackeroni, rayn, onegu | ||
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On October 25 2013 11:08 Grackaroni wrote: I don't see how my case is lacking logic compared to anything you/BH say on him. Maybe I need to work on making my writing understandable. It's written with too much emotion so reads as funneled. That doesn't make it tunneled per se, but at least gives that impression. I.e. makes it easy to ignore when skimming /sorry | ||
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On October 25 2013 11:08 Grackaroni wrote: I don't see how my case is lacking logic compared to anything you/BH say on him. Maybe I need to work on making my writing understandable. By the way. I already thought you were town But this response to what I wrote is very towny It's written with an emotion very hard to fake I believe. | ||
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Judging his play and interest all game I lean town. Even cephiro thought he was town, knowing all the facts before we did. Holy.. that u want to take the easy route and lynch here is not an admirable quality in judging your play as town... Big scum points there. Why do u raise rayn based in a check capable of tampering and neglect to comment on my cases on cr and skanjab? | ||
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You clearly jumped to the summary and avoided the meat and potatoes. Well done skanjab | ||
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No reason to shoot rayn And Grack is worth more than onegu | ||
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On October 25 2013 11:50 Skanjab1s wrote: No, that was really the whole case. Also a part about me making a case on snoman, as if pressuring my scumreads is a bad thing. What a twist... Lol I don't need to convince u of being scum. So this is pointless | ||
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Palomar would not have been lynched. With 1hr town panicked. I can't remember who lead the charge into palmar, but I don't think it's a scummy thing by default | ||
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I look forwardd to the rayn case. I promise to read it openly. I think it's stupid to say auto lynch be wise of check. I want a supporting case. | ||
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On October 25 2013 12:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Mocsta. Imagine you have a house with zero scum left in it and you are a framer. Into which house do you frame regardless of what anyone does or says? -rayn Wifom. I get the point you are conveying but it's not something I will vote somebody for. | ||
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On October 25 2013 12:34 Holyflare wrote: What........? Wait for cop check to confirm if he was lying or not... so scum like? Dude. Do yourself a favour Instead of responding to everything , do a dive and make a case. You keep avoiding the hard work. Step up. If u can provide evidence that rayn has been pushing us the wrong way all game, by all means I am willing to listen. But I ain't doing the leg work | ||
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If Sno dies, I suppose he confirms himself so that won't happen for a while. No wifom excuse will get him out of that one. Bh was one of my final four for the final scum. Can deal with him after cr He dies tomorrow. As an aside. I wonder if the hosts are amenable to 24hr cycle.. this days are going to be painful | ||
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On October 25 2013 12:51 Skanjab1s wrote: Our QT has been reasonably active as of late, barring you mocstaaaaaa. We are 263 posts. A lot is spam Far from active Only reason discussion picked up was because of talk about the potion. Why would I be talking? I have had scum reads in my house since day1. | ||
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On October 25 2013 12:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Mocsta, on D3 start. Did Sno claim to have protected BH on N2 in house QT? -rayn Dunno cycle But suggested saving on 22nd at 3pm ET | ||
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Dunno if meaningful to anyome | ||
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On October 25 2013 12:59 Skanjab1s wrote: Uhh, maybe to improve your reads? And almost all of it is discussion on the game, hardly any spam. Right So u. Bitching about secret clubhouses is not spam.. good for u Why are u even posting? Where's your scum reads...lol | ||
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You on the otherhand have an extremely valid case on you that has not been debunked. Your attempt is a discredit, nothing more, nothing less. | ||
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Attempt to rebut | ||
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Case holds See u later | ||
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On October 25 2013 14:36 Blazinghand wrote: wow is that for real maybe cephiro is a death gf Is this for ducking real? | ||
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Where is the shot from last night? I do say I find it odd it took him so long to claim the kill. | ||
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On October 25 2013 15:38 Onegu wrote: the use of maybe does not align with the stated outcome of him being sk in either scenarioMaybe he can choose to shoot or be night immune maybe? So his claim is real but not random? Why do you even think there is a 3p and why is it jat? | ||
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On October 25 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote: This^ I have a really hard time believeing rayn is scum. This explains the red check and JAT shot and late claim. Seriously. Stop this. The checks can be tampered. I am self aware miller after all. I already suspect chairman of being godfather as well, another tamper. The red check in gryff could be Mafia check 3p check Framer Unaware miller Host fuck up.... It's been done before ...... If you want to say jat is anti town, I won't stop you. However you need a case. Yes it is interesting jat did not want to claim Yes it is interesting apparently he is invulnerable However the leap to a conclusion of anti town is a gap I can't jump without further substantiation Chairman needs the be lynched next cycle full stop. | ||
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Again.. if you want to cross that bridge. Please Make a case With 3 modkills we are running out of lets lucky dip the scum We need calm, calculated lynches | ||
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On October 25 2013 16:19 syllogism wrote: I'm not lynching into Gryff unless two mafia flip and neither is a framer. Finally someone with sense. You agree on chair next. Where do you stand with skanjab? | ||
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Look forward to whatever you produce in 12hrs though. Have fun | ||
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On October 25 2013 11:08 Mocsta wrote: Lastly. Medics. Syllo is safe tonight Jat is safe tonight I am safe tonight Please consider saving each other. Otherwise, only suitable protects are grackeroni, rayn, onegu As an addendum Rayn is unlikely kill (as hes got the red check) So its a shot on either Grack or Onegu As an aside, Skanjab refuses to claim even in the QT, yet he thinks everyone is town...go figure. | ||
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On October 25 2013 23:12 Skanjab1s wrote: Implied negatory both components were facts from your filter in the qt | ||
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On October 26 2013 08:47 Grackaroni wrote: keep RB him lol. Final member is extremely likely to be HF/BH. Sigh just read that Cr was RB too. OK.. well ##Vote: Chairman_Ray Im out for prob 24hrs, sory. | ||
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I'm scared if chairman. Been matrtying so hard but at the same time hadn't tried either. Don't. Are antmore | ||
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Ho fuck yaslf mmmm,kay | ||
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On October 27 2013 00:48 Onegu wrote: Ok I am here now, I was shot last night. Reading thread now ok with a HF or CR lynch. Can Sno confirm this? | ||
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mYybe we should votenbh instead of chair??? | ||
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assuming the onrgu is town, the rb on BH and cr did nothing. if BH is scum in this scenario, I expected him to do the nk. the other hand is, BH or Cr was roleblockrd and onegh is now countering with vet claim. I.e onegu is scum... I find this unlikely as I would expect a fake cc like this to go hand in hand with a counter for elsewhere... whereas onegu is more just stating an occurrence. p.s.hopeless potion did as he described... again, I think his potion abilities are null..l that is,good for town or sdum.. I wonder why hopeless did not want me to do nightnaction on him????? | ||
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On October 27 2013 06:01 Chairman Ray wrote: Question for BH and Sn0, are you guys allowed to use your powers on yourself, or on the same person two nights in a row? lol.... who's scum dipshit | ||
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On October 27 2013 20:08 syllogism wrote: Now that I think more about N2 actions, I think mafia may have tried to shoot sn0 and Mocsta roleblocking BH stopped the shot. BH claimed that he RNG protected sn0 on n1, so as a non-conseq medic he couldn't do it again on n2. Awfully convenient. Do you want to lynch BH before CR? | ||
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what is the outcome? | ||
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Well, you just earned my vote tomorrow. | ||
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On October 28 2013 09:24 Holyflare wrote: So from cr/skanjabs straight to rayn? Not sure i follow your train of thought, especially without a case. Fair enough. More to follow shortly. | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:20 Mattchew wrote: Ravenclaw: Onegu, <VET> Syllo <JOAT/I.C.> LastArgument - Mason Tunkeg - Rolecop Supersoft - VT Yamato - VT huffle: <Red Check - 1 scum> StorrZerg - Vampire JOAT, Palmar - Dayvig Mattchew - House Cop HolyFlare <Voter> Hopeless <Potions> Grack <VT> slytherin: Mocsta - JOAT EchelonTee - Day/Night vig/Lover blazinghand <Medic> I-Be-Pro - Lover sn0_man - <Medic> skanjabs1s <Unknown> Gryff: <Red Check - 2 scum (inc. Pandain)> Cephiro - Global Mason/Voter Pandain - JOAT VayneAuthority - VT raynpelikonoshi <Candy man> Stutters695 - Mason justanothertownie <Randomer> Unlike Rayn: I will commence my re-read of the game. FYI, I will be using the context above as I read. i.e. I am short cutting by assuming JAT and Sn0 and Syllo are town. Without a re-read: I am heavily leaning towards Onegu claiming the *truth* So my current hypothetis is: Rayn + Grack/Holyflare + (by PoE) Skanjab/Blazinghand. Will detail more after re-read. Some questions running in my mind pre re-read: (1) If BH is scum; and scum assume Sn0 protects BH. Why not shoot Sn0? A (BH scum) N2: I RB the shooter (BH), N3: Sn0 kept alive to give cover for BH (Onegu shot???) B (BH scum) N2: I RB the shooter (BH), N3: I RB the shooter (BH), Onegu decides to fake, his outted claim C (BH scum) N2: JAT shot (as invulnerable?), N3: Sn0 kept alive to give cover for BH (Onegu shot???) D (BH town) N2: JAT shot (as invulnerable?), N3: scum assume Sn0 protect BH and vice-versa (Onegu shot???) E (BH town) Scum want BH lynched, and can then shoot Sn0 with no fear? F <Random situation regarding role powers that we don't have enough information to guess> (2) IF Syllo was not innocent child, would I lynch him? Unfortunately I would give this very serious consideration. Every mislynch, Syllo keeps stating "ohh yeah, I had a town read on him" its getting annoying now. Either way, if Syllo *was* a scum role capable of having a false "innocent child" announcement, it would HAVE to be on a temporary basis. That Syllo is innocent child for so many cycles, he must be town. Perhaps we are not providing him enough support to solve the game? (3) Why did Hopeless1der want to ensure I could not target him with night actions? I do not understand this one bit; and if anything, makes me lean scummier on Hopeless1der by default. Everyone knows I am town, so what is his concern if used night actions on him... why not try and block scum using KP on him? (4) Powers seem unbalanced (From flips) VT: 4 Mason: 2 JOAT: 2 (1 town, 1 scum) - 1 town JOAT is uber (Vampire), where is counter? Cop: 2 (1 town house, 1 scum role) Voter: 2 (1 town with mason, 1 ???) Vig: 2 (1 town, 1 scum) Lover: 2 (1 town, 1 scum) Its all balanced so far (Using thread claims) VT: 4 + 1 (from Grack) Mason: 2 JOAT: 4 (1 town, 1 scum) + 2 town Cop: 2 (1 town house, 1 scum role) Voter: 2 (1 town with mason, 1 ???) Vig: 2 (1 town, 1 scum) Lover: 2 (1 town, 1 scum) Medic: 2 (1 town + ???) Vet: 1 (1 town) Weird: 3 (1 town + 2 ???) (JAT/ Rayn candy / Hopeless potion) Unknown: 1 Its not balanced anymore. 3 town JOATs is quite OP, so there has to be a scum counter measure. Gracks VT claim could make sense if Skanjab is a VT, but this is unknown. 2 Medics + Vet also appears unbalanced. (5) Why was Onegu shot? Who was safe: Mocsta, JAT, Syllo, (possibly Sn0/BH) Remaining pool of players to be shot: Grack, Rayn, Onegu, CR, Skanjab, Hopeless1der, Holyflare Rayn wouldnt be shot because of red check (whether town or scum) CR wouldnt be shot as was the next mislynch Holyflare is unlikely as is another mislynch option. Skanjab has been totally useless so is another mislynch option. Onegu was pretty useless but was not a mislynch option. Hopeless1der was pretty useless but was not a mislynch option. Grack seemed like the best shot. | ||
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On October 28 2013 10:30 Hopeless1der wrote: In response to 5) Mocsta, shooting into the checked houses seems like it'd be bad for scum (i.e. shooting me or grack for example) In response to 3), we don't know how faction KP is assigned, and preventing one player in particular doesnt prevent the other two. I know your role is detrimental to me. However, in this line of reasoning I'd like to know whether Holyflare has an answer to the question he asked me: Because I don't know a player who is both scummy and has a role that can mess with me. The house check logic for 3 is valid. This means the pool of players to be shot was Onegu, skanjab and blszinghand. Bh is not an option due to medic protect and/or scum. Between skanjab and onegu. If both were town I would probably shoot onegu. | ||
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On October 28 2013 11I0 raynpelikonoshi wrote: thb i havn't give a shit about this game and probably won't, because all this game has been is running aroung powers, house checks and confirmed innocents. And Mocsta you are dumb. I don't give a shit if you lynch me because town deserves to lose this game anyways as noone is doing anything useful besides someone blocking scum shots. I might post something today. -rayn Post game. But I agree. Maybe im dumb but there's. Nothing to work with. Dem towns gotta pull the finger out of their asses. I gueiss I been waiting for syllo to solve this game bit a few cycles now. It's not happening, so I gotta try n do it myself. If u were town I would have expected the same conclusion. | ||
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Interesting, so bh could def be shot. Def makes the vet claim look staged then. Onegu is a much worse kill over town bh. Doing my reread anyways now. | ||
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Lynch bh and save me the chorre of a re read? | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Grackaroni was roleblocked N3 or took 0.5KP damage. -rayn He did not release which option it randomed? | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote: Lynch onegu imo, saves us a medic if wrong, confirms if right. In got Onegu was clearly town in pm and was lynch bait in thread. Syllo thinks onegu is town because of qt. Do u really think onegu could trick syllo?? | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:16 raynpelikonoshi wrote: If syllo is trying as hard in house QT as he is in thread probably anyone could fool him. No offence to anyone but this thread could probably be fooled by three [insert some really bad scumplayer name here] atm. How about we actually start playing tomorrow? I promise to try more aswell as mods threw Koshi in the trashcan with candy. I'll also stop signing my posts since it's only me anymore. Actually.... This post makes a lot of sense to me. Syllo dorsnt give a shit which is why I commented on him before too. I like the direction this is going so far. | ||
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His explanation doesn't cut it for me either. | ||
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I prob rb bh from using deathly.Hallows 2 nights in a row. Grack has to be town. Pandain entry first thing seems more like scum Tami g advantage of easy way to feign contribution with something he believed in. | ||
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I'm reminded of why I thought holy was town. Quintessential town play. He's off my list. Anyone in doubt reread his interactions with pandain. Zaragon looks terrible as I thought originally. Hopeless1der is really bad. His posts do not fit into what is happening in the thread and he's poking people trying to get them to do the legwork for him. He also has a habit of telling ppl they are town to get them to drop pressure. Grack and skanjab and koshi all read as having fun. Very jovial. Typically town. What's inetersting is yamato stating that tunkeg and onegu have yet to post in the qt. Tunkeg posted in the thread already. Basically I'm definitely down with hopeless and bh. Onegu is 3rd by process of elimination. | ||
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On October 18 2013 06:49 justanothertownie wrote: What I am/was thinking when I last read is probably not up to date right now. I know I did not like Hopeless that much for several small reasons (defending gracks unwillingness to create a pickup line - which to me is perfectly fine by grack as he stated it - by jumping to conclusions about his motivation, telling skanjab to take a break when he got more invested - how can you read people if you tell them to retreat and carefully think about what they are saying?, a badly/weak reasoned townread on Mocsta) and I did like LAs reasoning. I did not like the strong townread the hydra was offering Pandain in our qt too. I won't research about this in detail right now because it only takes away time I could use reading the thread but that's what stood out the most to me. No really strong reads though. JATCan you please outline how/what the hydra went about pushing a pandain town read? | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:01 syllogism wrote: If Onegu's claim is fake, he had been preparing it at least since early day 3. He said that he had an ability he could use once or more precisely an ability he could only use once without hurting himself. No framer would mean that there is no mafia left in Slytherin. I'm not willing to accept this and I think we should ignore the checks completely. If mafia framer doesn't have anything better to do with his abilities, framing Ravenclaw on n3 made perfect sense even without them knowing there was still a potential cop alive. Im undecided on where Onegu fits. Like I said before, in PM land he can come out as incredibly townie - so I can see why you would think he is town. I am not a fan of how HolyFlare has tried to discredit that, nor how he has insinuated ET made an intentionally bad case (which I disagree with). Re-reading up to 3/4 of Day1. I am certain Hopeless1der is scum. His posting comes at opportunistic intervals, He gives out too many town reads, when he is under the gun, His pushing of policy lynch Pandain stepping out to protect Hopeless1der without pushing another person Pandain stating that Hopeless1der was a top early contributor - which Toad instantly disagreed with Past 3/4 day1 (from memory) Has blended in the thread, i can't recall him pushing anything His abilities are not alignment indicative His use of potion on me is terrible; as is his explanation. (My abilities are bad for him).. why does this matter if he is town, and I am town? Hopeless1der needs to be lynched. | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:15 syllogism wrote: Who did Slytherin use the polyjuice on? I beleive we debated HolyFlare. Not sure if it went through, Sn0 will have to confirm. | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I can answer that Mocsta. Here's what my (our) read on Pandain has evolved. Start of D1 - QT opens. Pandain makes an opening post in thread and is really active in QT, i give him a townread for that (because he is not rational as scum - or his disguise falls apart at some point). Nothing to change my mind at the first 3/4 of D1 (as Pandain is reasonable with his suspicion on Ceph, and i agree with him). Then i go off for the rest of D1, Palmar gets lynched. I look at Pandain's posts on D1 end and on N1. Then i post this: "Pandain wtf is wrong with you? " "Also Pandain, you have gone into your scum!mode of making zero sense pushing bad lynches and having bad thoughts that make no sense. Plz if you are town step up your game and do not overthink stuff." This is based on late D1 and N1 when Pandain, for no apparent reason, completely changes his read on Cephiro (Cephiro actually WAS playing to his scum meta - it's fucking obvious if you looked at Aperture and Noir). I assume this is related to the question I asked JAT? If so, this doesn't answer the question.... | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:24 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Okay Mocsta then i do not understand the question.. :/ Well it may have answered the question, but I need JAT to confirm. Your response detailed posts past-Day1, which extends beyond the info JAT had when making that post. It is possible JAT is referring to you calling Pandain town for his opener. But only he can confirm. | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote: Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret? I don't think this is conclusive (from memory, unfortuantely you did not post quotes so memory is all i have to go on). People could (& did) say I was scummy for backpedaling about my powers. (1) I was uncomfortable when Syllo was asking me about it, because I didn't want to give it away (mainly because I thought theyw ere powerful) ---> I suppose this can not apply to HolyFlare (2) Its possible he had a lapse of memory --> which I did as well. Or whatever; Holyflare could be scum, but i much prefer a lynch on Hopeless1der. This also means that if HF is scum, hes a GF (or scum knew about the check and framed HF) | ||
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Exhibit A: On October 17 2013 20:07 EchelonTee wrote: It's nearing 4 and I have a full day of classes/work tomorrow. I will be back ~2 hours before the deadline but will likely not have the time to do the appropriate amount of scumhunting. There hasn't been significant development of scum targets, which is a serious problem. People I have issues with: + Show Spoiler + Onegu On October 17 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote: Sorry really busy yesterday I am catching up now. This first post is quite small and easy to skip over, but it reeks of an apologetic nature. Compare it with the first few posts in this thread; random roleplaying, questioning, and sturdy statements. I'm not sure if Onegu is new or vet but this post is a classic "I'm scum, don't really know what to say hope the thread doesn't notice me" post. On October 17 2013 18:20 Onegu wrote: + Show Spoiler + Sorry I am still catching up and when I see something to point out I will do so. I agree with the first part, since it is impossible to know the scum distribution then it is alao possible that scum do not know the members of each house. For this reason I think it is a bad idea to post house lists, moreso in this game than in GoT since it is a qt and not just pms. I am not caught up and the house lists might already be out, and if they are look at the people who gave out house lists first, in GoT the first person who just gave out house lists while argueing for doing so was scum. The second part being lazy isnt much of a scum tell imo. Again with the sorry. Implies that list poster = scum; this looks like a weak push attempt. On October 17 2013 19:17 Onegu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + The hydra really needs to say who is actually writeing, I am very confident in my ability to read koshi as I have pegged him in every game we have played, but I dont read rayne well. I also dont have a problem with people not wanting to win the contest. I dont think it is scummy just anti town. I am going to reread some people after dinner. This post is parroting ideas already stated; that the hydra needs to state who is posting. parroting = bad raynpelikonoshi On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Skanjab1s "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" His first accusation has very weak basis. skanjab was clearly roleplaying and rayne+kosh use that as a reason for scum? And next he uses skanjab's inability to read the OP as a reason for scumminess. In fact, I would argue scum is much more likely to closely read the OP to not make mistakes like that, as they have a more involved role within the game. I find people make arguements of "oh, this person is trying to fake noob towniesness!" when in fact there are just a lot of noob townies around. He doesn't develop the argumenet further from this, just lets the vote lie. I'm tired as hell and have to sleep will try and post more tomorrow. ET tries to come in aggressively and steer the lynch. Exhibit B: On October 18 2013 08:16 Holyflare wrote: Here, HF tries a similar tact.People seem to be flailing like fish right now. I do not know why. People are defending "slow" players too like it's their god given right to stay in the game. This IMO is utter shit play. You can sit on reads like Palmar to day 3 only to find out he was actually scum all you want, but I will not do it. It does not prove he is town to me and if he continues playing like that during day 1 my vote could most definitely end up on him. Meta works, to an extent, but slow play meta is something I despise. That being said I want to steer this town in the correct direction so some of you people can actually pull your fingers out of your arses and we can win the game. SO; Palmar + Show Spoiler + This guy..... Yeh, great, he's a veteran. He is also in my house QT. Does that excuse him from playing the same game as we are playing? No. On October 17 2013 23:27 Palmar wrote: @Mocsta: Why did you claim the self-aware miller? What's the point? What did you hope to achieve? This is literally the only question he asks in the entire thread so far, it's been a while too. Sure, Mocsta hasn't replied yet, so you'd think he'd be doing something more productive at this point. How can it be possible for us to determine what role he is if he doesn't say a thing in the entire thread other than he's waiting for mocsta. Furthermore, + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 05:43 Palmar wrote: Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him. Mocsta has posted much more then a self-aware miller claim. Surely it would be nice to hear about that too? Or anyone else? I am most comfortable lynching him today. Call it policy, call it scummy behaviour, call it what you will. This is a game where you contribute so that we can determine who you are. Riding through days does not do this. Stutters695 + Show Spoiler + Did not honestly realise this guy was in the game until I re-checked the thread. What can I say? 4 total posts in the entire game so far and the only one that really counts is: On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote: Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town. I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine. This defence on Palmer who has literally done nothing in the entire game so far other than question Mocsta on a miller claim is a bit odd to say the least. Why would you specifically mention Palmer over everyone else in the game so far? There are a LOT of pages to go by but he only mentions a bit of meta from another game. It's ok though, he justifies things: On October 18 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote: As far as I remember I've never seen him roll scum/read a game where he is, but I would expect more out of him in line with emulating his usual play. If he was lazy in his last scum game I'm probably off on this, but off of memory he spent most of d1 in that game I'm talking about just crying for a policy lynch on whoever claimed. Basically I don't have faith he'll flip scum based off of this, but I'll follow up on it next time I get to a pc to browse older games. He's never seen a Palmer scum game, he's basing meta off one town game when he has no idea how he'd react as another faction. This seems overly defensive, it looks like he knows his alignment. Either way, he's not talking about other things, he's not active. Comfortable with this lynch too. Sn0_Man + Show Spoiler + Yes, storrzerg makes sense, even if he is looking tunnely in the thread. In the QT at least it's a bit of a different story. This was storr's case The only thing I add to it that was criticised by Ceph is evidence. This is his desert mini mafia filter he was town in this game and at least posted quite a lot. His posts were informative and had elements of scum hunting. Definitely different from this game due to activity, even his first few posts aren't really the same. There are a lot of people in this game, a lot of filters to dive through. I've been reading and re-reading but there is nothing blatantly scummy that I can wholeheartedly see yet. There are one or two suspicions I have that I want to see played out and I will be pressing some people over things later, but for now one of these 3 I will be comfortable lynching. Stutters, I will give the benefit of the doubt to as he said he will be reaching a PC. Sn0 or Palmar are therefore my choices. I want to hear their responses before I confirm my vote direction though. I think the contrast is quite marked. Whilst the 3 reads are clearly wrong in hindsight (I know at the time in Day1 I agreed with him), they make logical sense from the perspective of a town tunneled on Palmar. Even if fake, there is a higher level of explanation/conviction than with the ET cases. Maybe ET was rusty, and HF can bullshit; but I dont think that difference is enough to cover the gap in conviction between the two exhibits. Your thoughts? | ||
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On October 18 2013 11:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Sno, why is ET town? -rayn JAT Another one for you. According to the timestamps, do you know if Rayn voiced concerns about ET in the QT? | ||
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On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote: How can HolyFlare come in and say ET softly pushed Onegu.+ Show Spoiler + Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. On October 18 2013 01:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Oh i forgot something. EchelonTree - Why makes you say this game is heavily roled? Much scum roles you guys got? -rayn This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe. Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu This reads as a forceful follow-through.I think ET sniffed lynchbait and went for it. He is old school, and I see no reason for him filter-diving Onegu before releasing the case. I still thought it was odd that Holyflare defended Onegu originally by saying he went through like 6 to 8 games of filter and confirm he always says "sorry" | ||
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On October 18 2013 11:41 Holyflare wrote: @ET: Your case relied upon him apologising a lot, however, all you have to do is check the TL mafia database and look at his previous games. I have checked almost all of them and then did a ctrl+f search for "sorry", it appears in EVERY game many times. So I do not think it is alignment indicative for Onegu, especially to base a whole case off of. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] + Newbie Mini Mafia XLII Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII Mafia Tracker Lynched Day 3 Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 3 Nuclear Winter Mafia Town Immune One Endgamed Day 5 A Bluelightz Mafia The Attack Mafia Vigilante Survived Day 4 GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 Desert Mini Mafia Mafia Conditional Vigilante Survived Night 5 Persona 4 Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 Town Dog Killed Night 3 However, since that case, Onegu has indeed not posted much and so I'll probably add him to my Palmar/Stutters/Sn0 lynchables for now. What I do actually want to point out though is: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote: Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe. Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu Nice scum/town slip. I still don't get this post. He gives evidence for Onegu being town; and then waffles into adding him into the lurker pile worthy of a vote? Then adds the slip on ET in a spoiler; as if he wants evidence he called out ET, but doesnt want to publicise it enough to get ET lynched? This makes Rayn look WAY better than Holyflare alone based on how both handled the slip situation. As Rayn calls it out directly (asked why ET would claim blue & why ET seems angry) Whereas, Holyflare hides it behind spoilers. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:07 syllogism wrote: This doesn't look like resistance at all, mafia doesnt do that 1 hour before the lynch when there is essentially only one wagon On October 19 2013 04:09 Holyflare wrote: Yet your vote is still on him. On October 19 2013 04:11 justanothertownie wrote: Do you think scum would try to save him now? On October 19 2013 04:11 Holyflare wrote: Good scum probably would. On October 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote: HolyFlare is lobbying a little too hard for this mislynch with this quote.It would be pretty bold because they would need to pull a miracle defense and if it fails they would look really really bad. You could argue there should have been someone defending him way earlier though. In the scenario where he is tunneled enough to truly think this; I would expect justification. As per JAT description, which is on the money. | ||
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On October 28 2013 17:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Actually why is syllo not in HF's "slow meta is shit should be lynched" list? Syllo already raised this, when Holy made that post originally. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:24 Holyflare wrote: I must say, this post to LoneMeow feels genuine.I don't like things like this: What about the other people with similar circumstances, stutters, sn0, onegu, BH etc etc. Why specifically palmar? Is it because he has votes on him already and was an easy place to put your vote that wasn't on a wagon? People have expressed this attitude is also town Palmar. If Cephiro's frustration is a town read to you then you should be aggressively pushing a lynch onto someone else because we are about to lynch a towny? His posts as just linked by Mocsta illustrate that they are the exact same as a scum game of his, what does that imply to you? The same questions go to: Palmar (4) : Pandain, Grackeroni, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow all of these people too. i.e. it doesnt feel like scum coaching scum. Thoughts? | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:45 Hopeless1der wrote: deal with palmar tomorrow please. especially if he's going to get himself modkilled, but I'd rather give him a chance to try instead of last-minute hammering him. I also dislike mocsta insisting we lynch the guy who has been replaced, but I guess thats just me. ##Unvote This is the third time during Day1 that Hopeless1der has raised concern about me finding zaragon/BH scummy. Hopeless1der is definitely flipping next cycle. If scum, BH will be the next to flip | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:46 Holyflare wrote: This post from HolyFlare comes after Cephiro does his list post and town is looking for who to vote.I would be comfortable with a mattchew vote, he was soft defending Cephiro even before he posted that list. + Show Spoiler + Here: On October 19 2013 02:04 Mattchew wrote: yeah imma put a placeholder on ceph and read into him and the game more here: On October 19 2013 02:14 Mattchew wrote: this ceph lynch seems to be happening pretty easily and here: On October 19 2013 03:35 Mattchew wrote: can you just claim? i could get down on a switch He also voted for sn0 and yet again soft defended him too, while asking other people if they thought it would be alright: On October 18 2013 21:44 Mattchew wrote: Yeah w.e i should have listened to everyone early last game too ##unvote ##vote sn0_man On October 19 2013 00:45 Mattchew wrote: Palmar i think sn0 looks better with his posts recently, am i stupid I've never played with him but he hasn't really contributed anything that I think is good. His soft defences and wanting advice from another player (who could well be scum) is also scummy to me. He has also been buddying up with other people during the game. Its a bad post in hindsight of his filter, where his reads are people like Sn0_Man and Palmar. How/Where does MattChew come about as a top scum read? | ||
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On October 28 2013 17:30 Blazinghand wrote: btw i'm kinda jk about maximizing serious mode right now as I have had a couple of drinks. that being said mocsta here's what you should do, use your busdrive today to just bus whoever you think scum bh would shoot onto me that way if I'm scum I shoot myself! ez ez ez LOL.. I can target a person and redirect the action where I want. Its about guessing the correct shooter, bbycakes. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:52 Hopeless1der wrote: mocsta, no one is going to join you there....would you rather have palmar or mattchew around tomorrow? and On October 19 2013 04:56 Holyflare wrote: Also, Mocsta, as for a BH lynch, I checked into your meta points and they made a little bit of sense, but nothing that I could see as damning evidence. Although I haven't played with him so can't entirely get the feel for it so it's harder for me, yet, BH is a person who I see as very towny when he posts so I would get a better feel for him, say, on day 2 than straight up lynching him now. HF says he hasn't played with BH but reads him as town when all he has done is propose RNG lynch and say he's drunk..... | ||
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On October 28 2013 21:33 Holyflare wrote: Like i can pretty much afk from this game right now knowing that I've solved it and i wouldn't even care. Onegu/bh/(hope/skan) this is bad dude. how can you put onegu in front of BH, let alone hopeless. what's worse is hopeless is a 50/50....since when have you even considered hopeless as scum, and if my case had any bearing, why is it only 50/50 me no likey | ||
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On October 28 2013 21:29 Holyflare wrote: God you guys are retarded, i actually listened to you re:palmar and he did actually start posting more so i thought I'd move onto someone more suspicious. Syllo are you actually ignorant or what? On what planet do you ask the guy we were lynching (palmar) if your read is correct and should switch? Yeh let's ask the potential scum to swap! Mocsta, you said previously about me saying et soft pushed onegu? I never said that, re-read what I've been writing. I said he vehemently (aggressively) pushed him at a time that many other things were going on, over him saying sorry a lot and wouldn't drop it. You also point out that i still call onegu bad because he hadn't posted since then WHICH YOU AGREE TO IN YOUR NEXT POST. In context these posts all make sense. I reas your points on BH/zaragon because i wanted to see why you were voting him but i couldn't see the reasons myself and I've played games with BH, +it was hia bday so i gave him the benefit of the doubt. This is what annoys me because syllo just peddles some more bs about how this is weird for someone who doesn't like slowplay when evidently the beginning of day 2 i straight up vote bh for staying shit. Also onegu scum slip of framer is just icing on the cake, i guarantee he is scum now. There is no way after looking at his filter that he is town (has anyone even done that)? He's done literally nothing. Like I've said he has the smallest filter with the most questionable content in this game. No way scum shot him, no way there is a vet, no way is he not scum. the first two paragraphs read well. the third, I agree with a 20 page filter it is unlikely you are scum. plus there is one scum in huff and its definitely hopeless. I'm disappointed onegu hasn't addressed the slip, cos that was real bad... still hopeless must be lynched tomorrow whether I am dead or alive | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:15 Holyflare wrote: Besides i am the one who has been saying his power wasnt alignment indicitave, i am also the one who said he was the most questionable im hufflepuff, it's no giant leap if you read. being right is 1/4 of playing Mafia.. if unfortunately it is a popularity contest | ||
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I put down my vote, it not sure if its a house majority thing. BTW holy. I find it suiper unlikely skanjab is Mafia. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:24 syllogism wrote: are you fucking serious..,No don't do that, that's awful. That would let mafia kill Sn0. so you believe town have two medics? | ||
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ahh right. I forgot about that, thnx onegu, where do u stand with grack, rayn, ' holy? | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:29 syllogism wrote: BH's alignment is irrelevant. If he is pretending to protect sn0 tonight and sn0 dies, that's essentially him claiming mafia. I see.. then I want to squib hopeless. thoughts? | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:33 syllogism wrote: I want him to give his final potion first. Has Skanjab claimed? no he has not. always ignores it | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:39 Sn0_Man wrote: Hi team I r Demoralized in short, u r prob dead tonight but if not.. tomorrow, lynch hopeless, then lynch BH that's 2/3 scum, be happy 3rd seems to be one of onegu/holy. with a really quiet grack | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=Onegu&view=all that's onegu most recent scum game... u keep talking about onegu filter being scummy, I don't see the similarities between desert and this game.mainly onegu is more assertive and opinionated as scum. feel free to walk me through it. | ||
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I can't fault them for thinking panda in was town, because ....I did but I also wasn't campaigning for opinion on him or pushing it in the qt. very interesting | ||
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stop pretending you are on a high horse. it is not even a baby pony. you were already ignoring me. plain and simple. you will be lynched this cycle. mark my words. | ||
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On October 29 2013 08:51 Grackaroni wrote: I haven't dived into Hopeless' filter yet and I am starting to consider the possibility that the hosts gave scum a role that would ordinarily be perceived as pro-town, but voting him solely for using his power on JAT is silly. He said he had to use each power once before he is able to use one twice. It is nothing to do with the role use on jat. Even now he is claiming that because all his potions are used he becomes confirmed town. We already had a role similar to that with storrzerg, an absolutely awesome role. I assume you read nothing I wrote on hopeless during the night. Is this true? | ||
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On October 29 2013 09:02 Hopeless1der wrote: Mocsta, do you think SCUM would have ALIGNMENT checks? Based on the pm from drinking amortentia, do you think the pm for veritaserum would specify the type of check (eg alignment or role or name)? Do you think my role can self confirm in this manner? 1. I thought you used the check potion on yourself. So the outcome is non verifiable. 2. Amortization potion was as you described, as was syllo potion. Why is this meaningful? There were many reasons for scum to give those potions to town. And my judgement on you is based on overall play, not your potions. 3. You have provided zero detail to how you wills self confirm | ||
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If so, is there an order to how you release potions? 2. You keep wanting to prove your alignment through use of your role. I keep telling you that my issue is with how you have gone about playing the game.. Specifically the lack of what you have pushed; The timing of your interjections; Your reactions to majir thread items; And; Your explanation for role usage. Next you are going to tell me that you played intentionally scummy like cephiro. | ||
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On October 29 2013 11:36 Grackaroni wrote: I did not. I used Lumos.Oh Mocsta what was your night action. Did you misdirect? So still have 2x protects, 2x redirects. I plan to use the redirects when 1 scum is left to win the game. Regarding the read into Rayn: I don't object to you doing this. In my opinion though, I think Rayn is better left as a candidate for the third and final scum. Todays lynch most likely needs to be between Onegu Hopeless1der Blazinghand Skanjab Skanjab It makes no sense to me why he refuses to claim. I could consider policy lynching him this cycle whilst we still maintain a numerical advantage. Hes a dark horse: difficult to read, doesn't want to interact with the thread, and I am not certain he will vote with the thread. If we want to get rid of drift wood, this is probably our only cycle left. Hopeless1der I wanted to lynch him as he was my strongest read. I was hoping for some thread feedback as I am not sure if tunneled - never got it. Holy raises a fair point though with BH Blazinghand Every cycle I keep wanting to lynch zaragon/Blazinghand, but, for whatever reason I can't compel myself to do it - I think I am scarred from mislynching two town doctors last game. Perhaps why I RB him but not vote. He clearly doesn't give a shit about the game; doesn't have an excuse for the RB or misdirect and probably is the best lynch this cycle. Onegu I'm not seeing him as scum. If he is, well done, not that my reads have been perfect, but hes completely fooled me. In my opinion, his only questionable item is the Vet Claim; which is not specific to just him. ##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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Look at these series of quotes Exhibit A On October 17 2013 23:52 Pandain wrote: Heck a player doesn't even have to play to his meta, it's honestly only a slight tell at best. Meta is way over used in lynches. Exhibit B On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote: What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote: Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that. Exhibit C On October 17 2013 23:54 LastArgument wrote: I suggest you read my filter. On October 17 2013 23:59 Pandain wrote: Well if you want to convince me to vote for him, then lay it on the line. I only see that you think he should always value suspicions over policy lynches. This series of posts is all related to an exchange between LastArgument and Hopeless1der because Hopeless1der proposed a policy lynch on Mattchew. LA provided quotes detailing in the past a town Hopeless is against policy lynching. Facts (1) Mattchew was town (2) LastArgument was town (3) Pandain was scum (4) Pandain proposes a lynch on Mattchew before this exchange. Please explain to me the scum motivation for Pandain to repeatedly butt heads with LastArgument and try to discredit his argument. Please consider that in these exchanges: Pandain makes zero effort to steer the lynch to someone else; rather, he is purely laying out a defense for an unflipped player. | ||
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Both. I will tell just later on. Im still doing my read through. I keep coming today to skanjab being scum as 3rd. Mainly that scum went after the people that attacked skanjab (toad and rayn) whilst giving ska jab a town read. It's odd and ties in with the whole ... Why are scum posting right now.. motivations I discussed earlier with hopeless. To be honest, my weakest lean right now with only partial reread is bh, but the Sno kill looks pretty bad. Especially with no rb or save notification. | ||
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On October 29 2013 14:51 Onegu wrote: Dit JAT or syllo do anything to BH? If not then we should lynch him. I would be ok with a Holyflare lynch also. Skanjab would be a outside shot as he is currently my 3rd scum. I will go over his filter during my sons nap. I am most certainly not on with a holyflare lynch. I think he misrepresents you, but I think in no way is he scum. Best answer is tunneled Day1 his postulations to pandain are very towny. | ||
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On October 29 2013 15:07 Holyflare wrote: Why have your reads changed so drastically x_x Instead of reading today from day 2onwards I reread day1 again. I just don't like how pandain et went about skanjab. I also don't like how skanjab questioned zaragon, which toad did a good job of pointing out. I also don't like how hopeless interacted with skanjab, but this is conjecture so I won't include. Re reading also reminds me strongly why I thought you were town Your post style reminds me a lot of me, which is also why I said day1 I agreed with you a lot. | ||
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The ppl left that ONLY respond when spoken to are Bh Hopeless Skanjab This has been the case for several cycles now. They have let town mislynch I to itself. Cycle after cycle. Onegu is a low poster I admit, but I still find him townier than the above 3 | ||
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On October 29 2013 19:20 Blazinghand wrote: The worst part is i know how I would respond to a guy like me, I'd just lynch him. And I'd laugh at him and call him scum, and tell him IRL reasons don't mean anything and that he should use what time he has left alive to make some reads if he's really town. I hate other me, the me that's good at mafia, because I want to be him, and because he's merciless, and I can't be him. I can't be him now Whats the difference between this spiel and Eccleston 2.0 in Smurf Mafia? | ||
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On October 29 2013 21:34 Hopeless1der wrote: I would say BH is fully aware that he shouldnt be posting that stuff. I recall a post of his from WhoseLine a while back where the endgame held this post: I dont remember the context exactly but that BH would lynch our BH. Not because of the emotional posts, but because he's really scummy looking. So why does this post from November 2012 count; yet, the posts LA produced of your opinion on Policy Lynching (as town) from 2012 do not count? | ||
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On October 29 2013 21:55 syllogism wrote: If Bh is the mafia medic, I don' t understand who he was protecting on n1 unless he just didn't send in his action. None of the people still alive were likely n1 vig shots. This question has been ringing in my head for days.... but everyone under pressure from Day1 has been lynched? It is possible he forgot, but I have tried to not consider that. | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:29 Onegu wrote: Are we doing 24 hour days or not? Where is your vote regardless? | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:37 Onegu wrote: I will vote BH or Skan most likely since noone wants a HF lynch... Im not sure why BH isnt automatic for you? I thought HF has said that you have been mildly suspicious of him all game? | ||
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But when I wake up in say 10 Hrs, it would be good if people started putting their balls on the chopping block. This is not the cycle for last minute vote-swap shenanigans. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:07 syllogism wrote: Mocsta: did Slytherin discuss how to use the polyjuice at all? What were people saying? Its been very loose. You need a house majority to activate (so it has never activated) (1) 23rd - Mocsta: Lets squib grack, as he may have lied about being VT BH- is ok with this. (2) 24th: Sn0 suggests to squib HolyFlare Skanjab - Thinks squib HF is useless on justification he claimed secret vote, so does not guarantee it will block scum KP (3) 28th - Mocsta: Squib Hopeless or BH. I suggest lack of "daethly hallows" follow up may be due to me conseq RB BH. BH - Asks if i know what deathl hallows is and then says it may not be related because since he was RB there was no NK or lynches on scum Skanjab - asks not to squib BH as the mods specified it wont stop a NK | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:24 syllogism wrote: That's a terrible reason for not squibbing HF. Didn't Skanjab say that he has been playing mafia for quite a while? 24th was after the deathless night, so mafia having even more role based KP was clearly not likely. Depending on the flip today we should absolutely do it due to his extra vote being a bigger potential threat to town than a potential advantage. Well im 1 of 3 ppl. Only way to squib Skanjab or whoever, is if BH decides to vote with me. Like I said, who went after Skanjab early game pretty hard: Koshi + Toad Who does pandain softly push.. Toad Who does ET pick on when he first starts reading the game: Toad, followed by Koshi + Onegu Now, maybe picking on Koshi could be considered chasing lynchbait.. but why Koshi over Skanjab? Further, why go out of ya way to start with Toad, a damn decent mafia player. | ||
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My preference is to lynch Skanjab and squib Hopeless1der. I'm still not sold on his alignment notification potion; and he is relying on it *way* too hard to prove his innocence. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:36 syllogism wrote: What exactly would squibbing Hopeless1der do? Regardless of his alignment it seems extremely unlikely that he can do anything besides give away potions. Hmmm, this closed setup is doing my head in. I keep thinking of the "deathly hallows". Fair point you raise however. Who do you propose? | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:49 syllogism wrote: I just want to again emphasize that unless hosts are framing Holyflare, the polyjuice description confirms him as mafia. Yes, it says the person will only lose any magical powers, but it also says that squib is a vanilla townie or mafia goon. Ie. a person with no powers at all. A person with a hidden vote CAN NOT be a vanilla townie. umm. so this means Grack is scum too? | ||
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Im going to sleep on this. Issue with grack is due to Rayn candy. Apparently he got roleblocked, which is only possible if he is not VT. (so I suppose not related in the squib sense) | ||
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On October 30 2013 08:19 Grackaroni wrote: If HF is scum he is probably being bussed. correct. onegu seems the most likely via approach. question. why did you insert *if* last night you seem,ed confident in the squib slip? | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:10 Holyflare wrote: So, just like the other people, you've ignored all the other evidence and just parked your vote on me? What about the other events in this thread. Sn0 just died and BH didn't get rb'd, what is your take on that? Why aren't you contributing and why aren't you explaining your vote. jat is correct. the world is unfair and its YOU that needs to make the counter cases - the ones you keep promising, yet, do not deliver. though I still disagree with how syllo approaches the game with this squib slip, he is correct in his assessment - that your responses are pretty scummy. my vote this cycle is on you or skanjab. | ||
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On October 30 2013 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: ironic because we have swapped positions.I don't think that was me. I'm kind of struggling with it right now. Leaning against lynching HF. what has changed your mind? | ||
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On October 23 2013 05:01 You-Know-Who wrote: VayneAuthority as Ginny Weasley has been modkilled. You are Ginny Weasley. Your parents sent you to Hogwarts to educate you into a proper witch but it turns out you are a Squib. On October 28 2013 05:00 You-Know-Who wrote: Chairman Ray, as Anthony Goldstein, was lynched. You are Anthony Goldstein. Your parents sent you to Hogwarts to educate you into a proper wizard but it turns out you are a Squib. On October 20 2013 05:03 You-Know-Who wrote: I-Be-Pro as Gregory Goyle was sent to St. Mungos! You are Gregory Goyle. Your parents sent you to Hogwarts to educate you into a proper wizard but it turns out you are a Squib. You and Crabbe are BFFs and therefore inseparable. If one of you dies, the other dies as well. EchelonTee as Vincent Crabbe was sent to St. Mungos! You are Vincent Crabbe. Being a beater of the Slytherin Quidditch team you are able to knock someone out with a Bludger. Your target will be hit for 0.5 KP. You have four Bludgers. Type ##Bludger: XY in the game to hit someone during day and PM the host with ##Bludger: XY to hit someone at night. You may hit two bludgers per cycle but only one per day and one per night at most. Also, you and Goyle are BFFs and therefore inseparable. If one of you dies, the other dies as well.[/n] (1) I expect Grack (if squib) to have an identical PM to the other 3 squibs (minus the blue component) (2) As Syllo suggested, the blue (lovers bit) can be easily explained via Echelon Tea being the conjurer. (3) The consistency of the Squib role PMs, highly suggest it is unlikely that a vote power is included. [B]On October 23 2013 05:02 You-Know-Who wrote: Polyjuice Potion- ... By forcing the drink onto a fellow student, you may transform him into a Squib. For one cycle, he will lose any magical powers he previously had. If he was town, he will turn into a Vanilla Townie. If he was mafia, he will turn into a Mafia Goon. To use the item, type ##Polyjuice in the QT. Lastly, If I was town and in your situation. I would be furious that people are trying to vote me off for something like this. (The same could be said if scum too though, especially if playing a great game) The thing is, as town, I would also be doing my best to answer the questions (respectfully) and then forcefully push should be lynched in my stead. Your not doing this. Yes, you have your scum reads out in the open; but your approaching the game as if you are following a check-list - AND that is pretty scummy. I am not sensing conviction: all you keep doing is purporting that XYZ is scum (and maybe you are bussing and they are scum); but I can't follow how you got there, because you are not providing any of that reasoning - AGAIN, that is pretty scummy. A perfect example is Skanjab: he has not been a person of interest to you prior, and now suddenly he is in your final three. You also tried to phrase it NOT as an OMGUS, suggesting that before he voted you, you considered Skanjab scum. Maybe its in your filter, but I do not recall you trying to ascertain his alignment over people like Onegu etc. Overall, if your power is true - it is of great risk of town or scum (as you are worth two of either alignment). With a breakdown of 7-3; if we mislynch and assume 1 NK. We are down to 5-3. If you are town, it is effectively 6-3. If you are scum, it is effectively 5-4. 5-4 is a massive risk, as even now, town is not confident on how the 5 town is. That mislynch will seal the game (pending NKs). | ||
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On October 18 2013 03:00 supersoft wrote: On October 18 2013 03:04 Grackaroni wrote:one question are you a squib? what a dumb question lol.[/QUOTE]The squib comment was addressed to me (with the SAM claim). Considering you purport to be a squib; why is this a dumb question? If anything, being a squib, I would not have expected you to role play as hard early-game as well. | ||
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On October 18 2013 03:00 supersoft wrote: one question are you a squib? On October 18 2013 03:04 Grackaroni wrote: The squib comment was addressed to me (with the SAM claim).what a dumb question lol. Considering you purport to be a squib; why is this a dumb question? If anything, being a squib, I would not have expected you to role play as hard early-game as well.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:47 Grackaroni wrote: I've already answered that question. I 'spose you are referring to: On October 23 2013 01:18 Onegu wrote: This post here makes me think town, his first first thought was Im playing in a Harry Potter game of course im not a squib. It seems really genuine. On October 23 2013 02:12 Grackaroni wrote: I said that because I thought it was dumb that he was going to try to use role pms for his scumhunting. Grack response is completely fair in the context of what SS did. Onegu on the other hand looks terrible for this. Seems like a cheap way to extend a town read (similar to what Pandain was doing by calling you town for role playing --> yet conveniently not commenting on Skanjab). As a "vet"; Onegu would not be a squib (nor have knowledge of what a squib role dictates in this game - could equally be mafia goon).. which makes it even more odd to give out a town read based on this inference. One thing to consider is that this night, Syllo could be dead. If so, Onegu is free to use the magic carpet redirect. If Onegu is not lynched this cycle (i.e. Holyflare goes through), it is probably wise to burn the magic carpet tonight. | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:57 Holyflare wrote: This post really pisses me off - because its precisely why I thought you were town. FFS.+ Show Spoiler + You are quite categorically retarded, i literally linked the post where i came to the conclusion skan is one of the last scum or hopeless, you told me that he was fucking town. I told you in my long post when i went to hospital that i thought skan was scummy and gave reasons. Now he's literally jusy confirming himself. I'm not going to rehash his day 1 content again and again because you have already done it and it made me feel like my previous concerns were validated. I'm not going to get into an argument about roles all over again. My power says I am a squib and that I can use my persuasive charm once to bolster my vote. This has been said so many times that my brain will explode. Just read day 2. Why would i lie about this kind of power? If i was scum i woild just say vt and be done with it, yet i straight out claimed my power first in my qt. There was no need for me to do that. What use has it gotten me right now? I don't care if you don't like it but i have nothigtto hide. If you take issue with it take it up poat game when i flip town. I am not going to yell or cry and make excuses about what you are doing other than call your play shit. Some guy posts nothing for 2 days and claims medic at the end of a day after a lot of pressure and doing nothing. His medic was put to the test last night. It quite clearly failed. Yet, that's not enough evidence for you?? His posts were nothing like town bh meta and then he's quite clearly forced into saying how hes demoralised, you wabt to know the really stupid part?? THAT YOU BELIEVE IT. Syllo claims that if sn0 gets shot that is like BH claiming mafia. Yet he has done nothing to follow up on that and quite clearly won't today. I'm tired of letting him past and I've been on this guy for like 3 straight days but when my suspicions come fo fruition and actually become really obvious to everyone they turn around and lynch me. Yeh great town you're with there. Onegu has been a dark horse. His play isn't like his meta which I've semi properly read now, his play as been constantly tunneled upon me with inconsistencies. He thought the 2 people that I was pressuring hard;Bh abd mattchew were scum but that was how he initially derived a scum read on me? How does that make sense. He's fake pushed me all game and has come up with no evidence of why I am scum, he just states that I am and that he has read. Look at his votes? They follow thrwad sentiment all they way, never following his suspicions, never making cases on his scum reads, and then claims vet because after the entire thread has revealed, he has to right? Not to mention that they even shot him in the first place. I have no idea why people find that believable. Scum would not visit the house that contains the person with lumos in it to shoot a guy whose powers they don't know over 2 medics who couldn't heal each other and 2-3 town reads. Look, I am in a complete slump and playing terrible. Accept that. Syllo doesn't give a shit and is playing terrible too. Accept that. The thread is 250 pages long, and a lot of positions have changed halfway-through due to lying/new information etc. Accept that. I can't keep up with every single post you make, and its not hard for you to go through your filter and paste the quotes I need to make an informed opinion. Perfect example the convo with Grack above. He says he answered the question when you ctrl+f "dumb question" his response doesnt serach, because the keyword is spoilered. I am town, you know I am town. I am as confirmed as Syllo. You also know I give a shit about this game, and am trying to solve it. Pull the finger out and help me by *SHOWING* what you are talking about. Not just *STATING*. Cos if you want to state stuff, you fall into the same boat as Onegu (who you are trying to lynch). | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:23 justanothertownie wrote: Rayn really disappoints me btw. As soon as his lynch was off the table his announced great reread with scumreads was transformed into some underwhelming posting. Not that I did better but I didn't run around promising people to find scum. Maybe I will find a bit more time tomorrow. Agree in full. Its why I posted that in Noir; when scum Rayn joined a second game. He put in the bare minimum effort. Seems like a repeat story here. He does have a red check on him as well. | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:31 Grackaroni wrote: I think he's saying it's really unlikely that Mafia are given cop checks and once a potion is consumed it will tell the player checked that they have been checked. Yes, Hopeless is arguing that he has been truthful with his explanation of the potions given to Syllo + Me. Thus, we should take at face-value the effect of the potion given to JAT. Points in Hopeless favour: (1) He said he would be notified if you did not drink the potion (this info was donated) (2) His attitude to the situation is slightly indicative of town that want to rely on blue roles (kinda like how Chairman wanted to be checked) Even though he also solely wants this potion to confirm him as town I lean it town. Because its more disliking him for terrible play AND it draws unrequired heat on him for no purposeful reason. Cons against Hopeless: (1) Usage of potion on me was just dumb, dumb, dumb (as town) and smart, smart, smart (as scum) (2) Pandain defending him against LastArgument (3) Having a scum read on Skanjab and then asking Skanjab to cool down and come back to the thread.(I have never seen a townie pressuring his scum read, ask the read to back down... normally its somebody else interjecting) (4) A couple of other sthings, that aren't important to state at this point in time. | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:37 Grackaroni wrote: I think the odds of hitting scum with this are pretty good. Considering that Toad has the same flavor as a lover as all of the other VT's I think it's far more likely that HF is mafia than him being a VT with different flavor or having an addendum saying that he also has a secret vote. I'm willing to take the risk. I don't really feel bad about it if he is mafia either. He talked about ET using the word squib for town-cred and it backfired on him. Yes, that was a major down point for Holyflare. Especially given that the response to the "slip" by ET was spoilered. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/CBqXHtK) I dunno why it wont display. http://imgur.com/CBqXHtK Its a colour-code of vote order for each day based on flipped info. I think the ET vote on Onegu Day1, makes Onegu town. There was not a single known vote on scum, and even if there was a sole vote: there was not heavy pressure. It just wasn't required to do a bus vote at that point in time. I'm not finding this that useful because everything past Day3/4/5 is just town insta-voting Cephiro or Chairman. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:00 Sn0_Man wrote: Alright Full Roleclaim time. Since I currently can't see any reason to withhold the name, I am Pansy Parkinson!. I am a Medic, with a 1-time twist. The first time that my target is targetted by KP I deal 1KP back to the attacker. Also non-conseq or whatever BH called it. I protected Syllogism last night. [b]I recieved notification that my 1-time KP was used. Those are the facts. What obviously happened was that Pandain and ET both used .5 KP on Syllo, which resulted in me killing both. I have confirmed that due to the simultaneous resolution of their KP, I would deal 1KP to each of them. Toad died due to being paired with ET. Mafia shot Supersoft and LastArgument. LoneMeow is the only unaccounted for shot. I believe BH's medic claim simply because he mentions that he assumes he can't target himself, but it is NOT mentioned in the role pm (much like mine) whereas the inability to target the same person 2 nights in a row IS mentioned in said PM. [b]"Does this medic role notify whether a save is successful" I will PM the host as well. Doubt we will get a response. | ||
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On October 30 2013 15:09 syllogism wrote: That has come up already. No, it does not. Thank You. Follow post is moot then. | ||
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What I want to know is: What benefit is there to lynch Holyflare before Blazinghand? Holy has a point -> Sn0 is dead; we all said that means BH *is* mafia. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/d0qoKhS) http://imgur.com/d0qoKhS This is the votes with a team of {Skan, BH, Onegu} I don't really like the pattern of this. Interestingly.. this setup does make some sense to me in pattern ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/ufvRlN2) http://imgur.com/ufvRlN2 {Skan, BH, Rayn} | ||
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On October 30 2013 16:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Holyflare how much mafia have you played? Hes just come off the newbies. Some of what he said on Onegu is fine; some of it is a very bad interpretation. In my opinion HF case on Onegu leans much more heavily towards tunneled town (whether right or wrong in read) than scum making a fake case. Its a far better effort than your about turn on Skanjab (again whether right or wrong) ##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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On October 30 2013 16:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Blazinghand, Onegu and Skanjabs must be scum. If one of them is town, Grack must be scum. There is no other explanation. And why do you not vote blazinghand? | ||
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On October 30 2013 16:59 syllogism wrote: A VT with a power does not pass even a rudimentary "sour grapes" setup design test. The hosts have confirmed that squibs have no powers. They have been given an opportunity to issue a correction and have not done so. A one shot power is still a power and indeed we've had blues flip with one-shot powers (e.g palmar). You can not explain that away by saying "oh he is just a VT with a flavor based reason for this power not to be a power", especially due to what polyjuice's wording. Holyflare not only has a role that would require hosts lying to us, but he has also lied to us about the role in a way that makes almost no sense to town. His attitude and approach for his defense is completely wrong. He never even once entertained the possibility of hosts issuing a correction, but immediately pushed the idea that they would never do that even though that is blatantly wrong. There's also the issue of town already having a flipped hidden voter. Having two town aligned hidden voters is by itself suspicious. If we don't lynch him today we may actually lose because you people are going to keep refusing lynching him ever day and he is mafia. Yeah ok. I can understand where you are coming from. It's exacerbated by the bus on blazing. What do you make of rayn dropping holyflare immediately? | ||
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I disagree with Holyflare saying Onegu was unjustified on Mattchew. The reasoning exists: Storr voted Sn0. Matt votes Storr; then Matt votes Sn0 --> the classic vote your scum reads, scum read. That aside: I have some peculiarities with Onegu that I can reconcile Namely (1) Power On October 25 2013 03:57 Cephiro wrote: CLAIM RIGHT NOW! On October 25 2013 03:58 Onegu wrote: The phrasing suggests the power must be "ACTIVATED"No, my abilty is still useful and I wont claim yet. On October 26 2013 04:03 Onegu wrote: Now his power is passive (as phrased by him).Ok I am Cho Chang a vet that will be saved once if targeted by 1kp or less, by one of my many beaus... Had to look up what a beau was... I find this highly misleading. Given that he was one of the last to claim, the misleading factor of this is highly suspicious. (2) JAT On October 23 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote: when checking JAT last night nothing stuck out to me as really scummy. becomes On October 23 2013 23:29 Skanjab1s wrote: Why are we lynching Cephiro now? On October 23 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote: Who else could ne scum scum in gryffendor? JAT is a possibility to me but nothing really sticks out to me. becomes: On October 24 2013 00:00 raynpelikonoshi wrote: JAT claims to have shot LoneMeow. There is no CC. So it's Cephiro or raynko. Lynching into Hufflepuff is silly atm. Imo the cop is scum or Cephiro is scum. On October 24 2013 00:05 Onegu wrote: Ok yeah then. This attitude makes no sense. How do you go from JAT is 'OK" to lynch him, and then back to "OK yeah then" ? The kicker: On October 25 2013 05:43 Onegu wrote: Could JAT be a SK that can hold his shot, or he shot someone protected, and that is why there is a red check? This sequence of thought process makes zero sense. (3) Skanjab On October 22 2013 18:36 Onegu wrote: Im going to filter JAT and skan tonight as I dont have a food read on either of them at this point. into On October 23 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote: You guys have any questions for me? I just finished reading JAT I doubt he is scum, going to go over skanjabs now. As stated by Cephiro previously: Onegu does not follow up with this promise to read Skanjab. I believe Onegu response was: On October 25 2013 04:21 Onegu wrote: Basd on the format of the reply its hard to ascertain if this was indeed the retort. Contextually it makes sense.4. Decided to ask him questions instead and get a better read, discussed a bit about this in RC QT. This is the only reference to Skanjab in that time. On October 23 2013 23:29 Skanjab1s wrote: Why are we lynching Cephiro now? On October 23 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote: Alarm bells are now ringingWho else could ne scum scum in gryffendor? JAT is a possibility to me but nothing really sticks out to me. On October 23 2013 01:05 syllogism wrote: I just noticed that earlier on Yamato said on the QT that he would have honestly replaced out of this game if he was Mafia. Ouch. On October 23 2013 01:08 Mocsta wrote: If Yamato is then town; does this make Skanjab look better, worse, or indifferent? On October 23 2013 01:12 Onegu wrote: Better but there is another flip that if I saw I would give him a scum read. Talk about it after the resolution period. But unless both thos people flip tonight Im not interested in lynching him now. On October 25 2013 00:06 Cephiro wrote: He never mentions who this another flip is, or why it would affect his read on skanjab1s. He's just not interested in lynching scum. Onegu replies with: 6. Still not convinced BH isnt scum. Agree with stutters a town BH protects a vet not rng. 7. The other flip was BH as I thought one was scum but not both if BH flipped town then skan was scum. After the house check in griffendor I have revised this theory. I have several problems with this. Firstly, "Better but there is another flip that if I saw I would give him a scum read. Talk about it after the resolution period. But unless both thos people flip tonight Im not interested in lynching him now." We know Yam is town; so in essence he is stating that Skanjab becomes town. How does this even make sense? Theres no reasoning behind this, and in my opinion Yam being town makes Skanjab look scummier as this is his only contribution (other than a case on Sn0 Secondly, "The other flip was BH as I thought one was scum but not both if BH flipped town then skan was scum. After the house check in griffendor I have revised this theory." The theory is that one of {BH, Skanjab} is scum... again... we expect BH to flip town.. Skanjab now becomes town. Further to this; Onegu states explictly in point 6. that he expects BH to be scum. No matter what occurs in this situation, Skanjab is a town read for Onegu. A false dilemna indeed. So who is Onegu voting for? On October 23 2013 22:45 Onegu wrote: ##VOTE CEPHIRO I get the thread is voting for Cephiro and he is following the check on Gryffndor; but the above is simply not congruent with his vote behaviour. I believe scum is {Onegu, Skanjab, Blazinghand} | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:54 Holyflare wrote: Like syllo said, self preservation. I am confident in my abilities to scum hunt that I would like to stay in later in the game abd I find it unforgivable if a towny doesn't go down without a fight. If it meant i had to mislead people for a day so be it. I had no need to claim my power, i could have just said vt like grack. this is a bad post. very desperate appeal. | ||
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On October 30 2013 22:07 Grackaroni wrote: I still have no clue why HF would claim the secret vote instead of VT. Maybe he thought Storrzerg had a list of character names and roles. I don't recall had cephiro unveiled vote power yet? | ||
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syllos prob dead this night, but he needs this chapter closed regardless...l just like we all needed cephiro I still think blazinghand is the best lynch for tonight, but its time for me to go to bed. as for the vt thing, I'm not sure if any true squibs had flipped when holy gave role. so..... | ||
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skqnjab just gave himself a way as scum at least well done syllo on HF. I'm pretty disappointed I couldn't see it. | ||
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On October 31 2013 08:14 Blazinghand wrote: now he's claiming it was a joke but he MADE the VOTE WITH ## skanjab is tomorrows lynch for sure. | ||
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On October 31 2013 08:17 Blazinghand wrote: YOUS TILL POSTED IT YOU STILL POSTED IT AND SQUIBBED ME did the host confirm you are squibbed? | ||
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On October 31 2013 08:28 Hopeless1der wrote: would you being squibbed explain lack of a medic save? or did the timing not line up for that? timing doesn't line up | ||
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Basically what happened was. Skanjab voted Onegu BH then voted Skanjab Hosts pull up a vote count, and state that my vote on BH from previous cycle (48 hrs ago) was still in play (and i was asleep). Skanjab then votes BH to form a majority. Then Skanjab posts that it was a joke blah blah. Short story is, BH is squibbed this cycle. | ||
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On October 31 2013 09:08 justanothertownie wrote: Why did your vote not count?Oh god, have fun. Holy did a good job at making it a pain to read his filter. Keep us up to date about the squib thing please. If BH was squibbed I'd like to know. Did you drink Hopeless potion? | ||
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I suppose with the potion giving alignment, I will scratch him off my scum list (along with Rayn) On October 20 2013 12:11 Hopeless1der wrote: storr town for asking random questions, and pandain's "scumread" on him matt town for showing storr why he's likely confirmed town. also pandain's scumread holyflare town for, you know, actually hunting scum and generally making sense. grack...doesnt seem like scum? his playful attitude hasnt changed since daypost. On October 20 2013 12:32 Hopeless1der wrote: As pointed out previously in the thread; this was a mindset that Holyflare clearly did not share. (The willingness to look inside the house)...so much for loyalty ##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare By process of elimination | ||
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On October 31 2013 09:24 justanothertownie wrote: Well were did they twist your words? I don't care if you said it was a joke if the vote counts. OK, this is paraphrased as close to the original as I can: Mocsta: Do we need majority to use Polyjuice + is Polyjuice still available Host: Yes + Yes Skanjab: QT is quiet since Sn0 died BH: I am back and havent read anything. HF is vote leader, so I will vote him to avoid modkill. Any extra info? Skanjab: Gives a motivation poem about facing the sun, so the shadows are behind you BH: Laughs Skanjab: Says you're welcome Skanjab: @ 4.03pm (not clear if this is 1hr before deadline, or 3min after deadline based on daylight savings) - so.. lynching scum feels like this right ?! (hard to paraphrase) Skanjab: @4.29 (so most likely before comment was 3min after deadline): Slytherin, lets majority vote to squib Onegu ##polyjuice: Onegu Skanjab: Hufflepuff is probably scum free now. Onegu still that has that red check. Skanjab: Thread wants you guys to squib me. Im not OK with that. BH: As Syllo asked: ##polyjuice Skanjab Skanjab: We are slytherin, not ravenclaw bitches. Stick together. Host: A majority has not been reached. Mocsta vote on BH stands. Skanjab: 1min after host announcement - ##polyjuice: BH + you cant squib me now fag Skanjab: 2 min later - I was joking. Please dont count it, Onegu is where my vote is Mocsta: ##polyjuice: skanjab Skanjab: Morons BH: I hope Mocsta vote doesn't count from previous cycle Skanjab: no one cares about you BH Skanjab: Hosts, turns out i wasnt joking, still squib BH Hosts: Polyjuice is on BH | ||
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On October 31 2013 09:38 Skanjab1s wrote: ? What the fuck is that pile of shit. hey Mocsta, paraphrasing doesn't mean "hurr let me make skanjab call bh a fag so that he looks like a shithead" That pile of shit is not accurate at all, and you intentionally cast me in a bad light. You wrote, biatche fag is the same connotation. get over yaself. its an accurate depiction of the posts in sequential order without stating the exact wording. | ||
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On October 31 2013 09:36 Grackaroni wrote: @Mocsta: Why is Rayn town again? Syllo was the one that called HF's squib thing into question. I get the matt check on Hufflepuff was correct (1 scum - Holy) I get that Matt also checked Gryffndor (= Rayn + Jat left) for 1 scum ?Apparently JAT checked Onegu? - I can't remember, but somehow there was a red check on that house. But On October 30 2013 17:08 syllogism wrote: I don't know, but rayn being mafia would require amazing play from both Koshi and Rayn. They have both seemed emotional and Koshi in particular seemed very invested in the game. Maybe they are worth a second look at some point, but I really don't think the game will ever reach a point where we can entertain lynching them over the alternatives. | ||
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On October 31 2013 10:03 Grackaroni wrote: Syllo is a fool if he thinks being invested in the game prevents someone from being mafia. That may have been the case 2 years ago but not anymore. Is skanjab mafia or not. Cos if he is. I don't really care for rayn right now. | ||
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On October 31 2013 10:45 Skanjab1s wrote: Hi Whose scum? | ||
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On October 31 2013 10:56 Skanjab1s wrote: BH, Onegu So you think that holyflare went to all that effort merely to distance himself from onegu? Is that correct? | ||
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On October 31 2013 11:07 Skanjab1s wrote: Yup, he has put quite a lot of effort into this game. Besides, theres a red check on Onegu. So before holy was even under major suspicion. He was pushing his scumbuddy onegu, according to you. Why? | ||
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On October 31 2013 11:16 Skanjab1s wrote: Towncred. So u think his points on onegu are all legitimate? Because it's very easy for scum to make scum cases on each other. | ||
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On ctober 31 2013 11:19 Grackaroni wrote: Scum was very close to a victory though. If we had mislynched today scum only needed one person voting town in order to win with a last second vote switch. Correct. But i thought holy was pushing for onegu days ago. As in before the vet claim. | ||
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On October 31 2013 11:22 Skanjab1s wrote: I can't remember what his points on Onegu are. Yet u r associating onegu as scum via holyflare..... Not a good sign skab | ||
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On October 31 2013 11:28 Grackaroni wrote: I haven't looked over HF's filter yet but I don't think last cycle was the day that mafia would try to bus. Whoever HF was trying the hardest to lynch is probably town. I'm still doing the filter read. But if memory serves me right. It was onegu. I believe he stated et pushed onegu at a very odd time | ||
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On October 31 2013 11:30 Grackaroni wrote: Of course this is only true pre Syllo pointing out the squib thing. Things said after he knew he was going to die are mostly just WIFOM Naturally Day2 he voted bh.... I will concede that he never voted onegu till last night. | ||
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Please confirm every person you attempted to save in order. i.e. Night 1 Night 2 Night 3 Night 4 (regardless of RB) | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:20 Mattchew wrote: Gryff: Cephiro Pandain VayneAuthority raynpelikonoshi Stutters695 justanothertownie On October 23 2013 04:06 syllogism wrote: JAT is not mafia, he is essentially confirmed town On October 23 2013 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn/koshi are trying to 1v1 grack in a way that would be mafia suicide. The Cephiro train is open for business. Now comes a very interesting quote from Holyflare On October 23 2013 06:54 Holyflare wrote: In that list I think JAT is more scummy. This is before JAT specifies he is the vig on LoneMeow. Why is Rayn ignored? I am starting to think this game is as simple as lynch the red checks. | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:23 Holyflare wrote: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM GRACK IS LYING ABOUT VT BUT THEN SWITCH TO JAT, HUFFLEPUFF ALSO HAD A SCUM REMEMBER?!?!!??! This literally makes no sense, wtf is wrong with you. This post seems a bit try-hard.. at the same time, his vote never moves to Rayn, nor does he explain why this is an issue. Then you get this post lol... On October 23 2013 07:24 Holyflare wrote: | ||
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On October 31 2013 13:52 Blazinghand wrote: here are my saves so far N1 Sn0, I was not RBed N2 Syllo, I was RBed N3 Sn0, I was RBed N4 Sn0, I was not RBed See, You are apparently non-consecutive medic. Its possible hosts treated two nights on Sn0 as non-resolve even though you were RB'd. | ||
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On October 26 2013 08:21 Holyflare wrote: Sorry I'm in hospital, i don't need to be subbed but can only use my phone. I have also secret voted ray as proof of my role, I did start a case on rayn but it was unfinished and unpolished. However, the more i looked over it the more confirmation biased it was and subsequently will not follpw through with it. My posting the last few days has been very lackluater because of being ill so sorry about that, it wasn't juat a lack of effort I genuinely triedto contribute as much as was possible. I have looked into other people and I noticed skanjabs having lots of inconsistencies and also being very dismissive of other peoples poimts raised not only against him but against some other people (scum) . Mocsta's case on him was also pretty good. Also, this is the second night BH has been role blocked and no kill has gone through. I was very suspicious of him as the game started and leaned off because of the medic claim, but this is pretty coincedental. (why does mocsta keep blocking him anyway?) I have no idea why you blocked him a second night when he was going to save the other medic, the first block was crazy dumb, this is just also getting ridiculous... However, if you were scum rb, you'd know the medic was rb and would kill sn0 so IMO that makes you towny (already was town on you already). The case on rayn I made actually just ended up being proof he was town too. The rayn I played with when scum was a dog with a bone, however, that bone was actually a retard stick and he wouldn't let go of it. He wqs aggressive on really really minor points and couldn't coherently come up with proper reasoning for scum motives. This rayn is different, he's still a dog with a bone but it's a bone that is made of logic and reasoning. Yes, at the start koshi picked up on skan for nothing but that is koshi, i don't understand that guy, ever. Rayn has been pushing people and falling off when it seems like something makes sense, he's pressured grack A LOT and helpfully that made grack post more and we could get a read on him. That is why I think the gryffindor check must have been tampered with. If jat is vigi, which he must be then there is no other choice. The only scum team that I can see is a ray/bh/skan team. I was wary of Onegu because I don't think his content is that good and he has beeb pushing things that were already discussed so I had him as one of the scum too, however, syllo explained that there was extra action in the QT that made him look town so I can't really say anything about that, although I would like to know from syllo what onegu was saying. All in all, I am confident that ray will flip scum and I have also pm'd about a 24 hour day. ##Vote: Chairman ray I think this is a meaningful post. Translation: I was going to bus rayn, but now that Chairman is viable, plans are aborted. | ||
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On October 31 2013 13:59 Blazinghand wrote: Yes, I am a non-consecutivemedic... as I claimed? Or are you confused? After N3 I asked the hosts if I could save sn0 again and they said I could, so I did. kk, my bad. | ||
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On October 31 2013 14:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Oh Mocsta. I seriously hope syllogism gets here pretty soon. I thought you were actually decent as town Mocsta... What's wrong with you? U wanna be like that. Nothings gonna change. There's some really weird comments hr makes early on about Grack too | ||
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On October 31 2013 14:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I don't care because if a mafia guy says something about someone else (or doesn't say) it doesn't tell anything about their alignment. *sigh* It's pretty basic stuff. Right.... What a stupid way to brush it off. | ||
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On October 31 2013 15:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Don't make this too hard. There were two nights Blazinghand was roleblocked. There were no night kills. Then there was one night when Blazinghand was not roleblocked, there was a night kill, on a guy he claims to have protected that night. That makes zero sense and Blazinghand is scum. On top of that he has given the town nothing at all. This game is so fucked | ||
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Bis last successful save was Sno His last rb save was Sno No matter what it wouldn't go through lol Talk about derp | ||
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On October 31 2013 13:52 Blazinghand wrote: here are my saves so far N1 Sn0, I was not RBed N2 Syllo, I was RBed N3 Sn0, I was RBed N4 Sn0, I was not RBed if u say rb doesn't count as save. his last save wasn1 on sno.. so cos he can't do consec, it won't resolve on sno n4 ... if rb do count, he still can't do sno on n4 because he tried to save him .... so BH massive derps and sno is dead, lo and behold | ||
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We are on the same page; I'm providing irrefutable evidence. I suspect BH is aware of this, hence the appeal to emotion the day before. | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Yes i get it now, didn't get it in the first place. Roleblock BH, i eat candy and take 0.5 KP, if i see some "vanilla squibalurts" like Grackaroni or Skanjabby (i don't give a fuck he hasn't claimed -- he shoulddo that right now) visit someone game solved. BH is squibbed; I am out of RB | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:16 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Well then my ability is useless as BH can just send in the kill. Is there anyone with rb left? so u think grack is last scum? | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I kinda believe Onegu's claim. I doubt BH would have sent in NK two nights in a row when rb'd N2. Last scum is framer. so do u think grack is scum? | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Like, i mean this: BH: "Hey our NK did not go through, i was rb'd" or "i was RB'd (and someone was docced - i don't remember where sno was on N2)" BH: "but hey, let me send in the kill again on N3 - i doubt Mocsta is smart enough to rb the same guy because the NK failed last time" The thing is, the night I RB BH; Sn0 saved BH... (for the part you didnt remember) | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Like, i mean this: BH: "Hey our NK did not go through, i was rb'd" or "i was RB'd (and someone was docced - i don't remember where sno was on N2)" BH: "but hey, let me send in the kill again on N3 - i doubt Mocsta is smart enough to rb the same guy because the NK failed last time" Maybe it was obvious I would RB BH twice, but in teh thread I actually sold it off as I would use my protection powers that night. I was hopign that BH was scum and baiting him to use NK. Then he was RB, and no kill... | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote: What i am trying to say is. Think about yourself in BH's situation. Whether or not you sent in the kill on N2 (you probably did as there was no-kill), you got roleblocked by Mocsta, who claimed the roleblock. Town knows you were roleblocked, would you risk sending in the kill again on N3 in case the roleblocker just "wants to be sure of you" -- after all he rb'd a claimed doctor on N2 already. Fair point. So shall i target BH or Grack with redirection tonight? Or shoudl the magic carpet be used whilst we know syllo is alive (and onegu doesnt have majority) | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote: what does redirection & magic carp do? I can choose a target and have their night actions redirected magic carpet swaps the actions of A to B (I cant remember if B is the magic carpet user) | ||
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I used redirection on onegu, but the target is random. | ||
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On November 01 2013 05:14 syllogism wrote: I wonder if non-conseq medic was just a lucky guess on his part, since Sn0 was non-conseq as well They may have had a fake claim that is non-conseq Caught up on the real thread now (anyone else have TL Mafia missing from side bar???) Anyways, its nice to know how BH was vigged. | ||
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On November 01 2013 06:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Have you been reading? I changed the action when we figured for sure BH is scum with Mocsta. I assume you mean: you and I worked together to confirm BH as scum, rather than, BH and I were a scum team. | ||
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On November 01 2013 07:30 Skanjab1s wrote: Also, why would there be 2 scum and a miller in Slytherin? Sillybilly This is beyond stupid, especially as at the start of the game, people were discussing scum randoming into houses BECAUSE of what *YOU* asked in our QT. | ||
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On November 01 2013 07:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote: The only thing i think you are underperforming for is that you have literall had Skanjabs as your top scumread with a good case on him from D2 and you havn't managed to convince the town to kill him. :D I agree town hasn't helped much in that, especially Cephiro and CR... This doesn't make sense. There is no false dilemma, one scum remains. If Grack *is* scum; the case on Skanjab can not be good. If Grack *is* town; the case on Skanjab *could* be good, but then he is just underperforming town. There is no relevance to this Rayn. | ||
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On November 01 2013 08:37 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah, its not me though, and holyflare wasn't really pushing the onegu lynch all that hard, he was more mildly stroking it. I actually agree with this. I only read HolyFlare filter once, but I got the impression it was distancing. (I believe HF was attacking Onegu as early as Day 1) This game is over based on town # + town invulnerability, it really boils down to a couple things (1) Is scum trying to die with pride (i.e. secure as many mislynch as possible) (2) Do people want to waste up to another 6 days of their life on this game? Realistically, RNG into: Grack, Skanjab, and if that doesn't work JAT before Rayn (yes, JAT before Rayn) and the game should be over. With the number advantage, town is guaranteed for that to occur. Scum really should concede, but whatever. I will keep playing for another 24hrs of my life. | ||
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Prob Onegu, Skanjab, Grack, Jat, Rayn ##Vote: Onegu | ||
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On November 01 2013 09:25 Mocsta wrote: This is beyond stupid, especially as at the start of the game, people were discussing scum randoming into houses BECAUSE of what *YOU* asked in our QT. It is dumb. Its like saying, whats the probability of heads turning up after 5 heads in a row. Its still 50/50 every single time. Yes, the combination 1-1-1-3 may be more unlikely to roll than 2-2-1-1, however, the permutations are all equivalent. Fact is, 1-1-1-3 (+ SAM) is a possibility. In the recently finished newbie; LoneMeow (cohost) said that the chance for that setup to roll was something liek 0.5%. It still rolled. Comment stands: "beyond stupid" | ||
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Either everyone is a squib; or other than the masons, the roles are quite complicated. Further, with all the Heal Power that town possess; veteran seems unlikely. Onegu should be lynched first. Skanjab is fucking annoying I agree, but thats not a reason to lynch someone (first, at least). + Given the situation scum were in Day2; it still doesn't make sense to me that Skanjab would last minute vote onto Stutters the way he did. I find that to be extremely townie. Enough that I am willing to lynch Onegu before Skanjab. Unfortunately nothing can be made of the magic carpet. JAT + Skanjab were swapped & Syllo/Onegu were aware. JAT was best priority shot for scum with the vig claim onto BH; so if Onegu was scum, they knew not to shoot JAT. Its also possible my redirection on Onegu randomed the kill onto Hopeless1der. Either way, no point discussing it further. | ||
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On November 01 2013 09:46 Grackaroni wrote: You think JAT is scum over Rayn? You realize he killed Blazinghand.... and Lonemeow..... I dont think JAT is scum, but *if* we get to the point that Onegu, Skanjab, Grack are not scum. We are dealing with a wildcard factor. Hence, JAT is that wildcard. *I find it Just stating really. Prob the only reason I would vote Skabjab >> Onegu today is based on the dickhead factor. In the sense of, Out of those 3, Skanjab is the person I would assume to be least likely to concede given the current state of affairs. Given this game has gone on for what, almost 3 weeks, I think all of us are keen for it to end. | ||
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On November 01 2013 09:53 Grackaroni wrote: Hopeless kill made sense. He had a cop check this cycle. Did he? I thought he gave a potion to JAT that gave alignment back to Hopeless1der. But JAT didnt use it | ||
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On November 01 2013 09:58 Skanjab1s wrote: Rofl, mocsta, you just have to insult me in every post you make dont you :D You did not deny the statement either. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BI8pTKb.jpg) I am not so certain Skanjab is scum. Though the scum team did a good job of not voting together (and Skanjab fits that pattern) His deviation just feels more "chaotic" in general i.e. I think he is maybe just a reckless town; probably even a bored VT. + There is that vote switch on Day 2. On October 24 2013 23:15 Cephiro wrote: I secret voted Stutters because I thought the lynch was between two townies and Stutters had been of no use. On October 22 2013 04:58 You-Know-Who wrote: He was already on the town chair wagon, with a town stutters counter-wagon. I just can't see scum motivation for hopping wagons.VOTE COUNT DAY 2: Blazinghand (1) : Mattchew (0) : Cephiro (2) : Mocsta, Mocsta (0) : Grackaroni (1) : VayneAuthority Holyflare (0) : Hopeless1der (1) : Chairman Ray (6) : syllogism, Onegu, Stutters695 (7) : I do think this clears Skanjab. The play is just overall too reckless; and post-night 1 massacre, scum were still playing controlled, as evident by their votes above. As for Onegu, I can't get over ET calling him out, and then going back for seconds. HF tried to sell this as ET making comment on Onegu at an odd time; thus, distancing himself -- but I don't interpret the thread developing like that. Onegu posted he was reading the thread and ET responded with "....' and then followed up a case. My take is that he sniffed lynch-bait. This leaves us with Grack. Not single member of the scum team has voted for Grack. This includes Holy's flurry of votes before he was lynched. Besides the weird assertion of forcefully calling him town, I am willing to lynch Grack --> Onegu --> Skanjab ##Unvote ##Vote: Grack | ||
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On November 01 2013 13:40 Skanjab1s wrote: What about the house check on Hufflepuff that said there was only 1 scum in it, Mocsta? Ohh yeah I forgot about that. Then back to onegu. Vet role seems out of place in this game. Would help if you claimed though. I really don't get why you wont | ||
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##unvote ##vote: skanjab agree with syllo. he is unnecessarily hostile. | ||
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On November 02 2013 06:32 syllogism wrote: It is very important that we coordinate and you do not attempt to confuse mafia or anything. Randomizing Grack's actions is best from my perspective. Ok Was ska n vt? If so Grack makes that balanced. I still think onegu power is out of place with the game and wanted to random him. Let me know if you still prefer grack | ||
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I come back to my conclusion before. His filter is scummy and matches his town meta. So yeah, between Grack/Rayn; I much prefer Grack. | ||
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How did he kill LoneMeow in one night? | ||
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On November 02 2013 08:45 Grackaroni wrote: He's getting random people's roles. Palmar had a role that could do that. What, so Night1 he scored Palmar role. Last night he scored Echelon Tea role. The other 3 nights, he scored Mattchew house check + 2x: Hopeless invulnerability potion? | ||
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Muahahaha Grack for tha win. Lets ride tha justice train y'all | ||
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On November 02 2013 17:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I just read Onegu's filter and it's really really townie.. I found something interesting: A self-aware miller can in no way be a squib but apparently a guy with an extra vote can, right Grackaroni? Hes been queried about this about 3 or 4 times. Its WIFOM (but i agree with you) | ||
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Thnx to JAT for keeping this game a town-win. | ||
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On November 05 2013 01:44 Koshi wrote: thanks for the gesture. But don't consider me. I played terrible. I was just lucky enough to have a day1 scum read on zaragon that I never let up.Well, I don't understand the thingies with the Deadly Hallows and from what I read I don't think I want to understand it. But town MVP is between: Mocsta The ever nice Mr Snowman JAT I think our Hydra + Grack probably get an award for naming around 10 people for scum and being right about 1. We had Onegu right. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 06:00 Grackaroni wrote: As shitty as my list turned out. I still maintain my list was superior! 1 scum to 0. BOOM. Tonight I shall bask in the glory of my mediocrity. Overall I relied too much on waiting for the innocent child to solve the game, and didn't spend enough time rereading how things happened. Mvp should prob be jat for his shot on onegu. It was a clutch shot after all. | ||
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Maybe town should have said stuff about Hallows, but at least explain openly how rb mechanics work. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:02 marvellosity wrote: hahah true.You did think some very strange things this game Mocsta. But you did plenty of good things as well. syllo didn't end up lynching me. as an aside. I really like hosts sharing an account. it makes it so much easier to pm hosts and filter their vote counts etc. I really liked the cycle time for this game,being about 4hrs earlier than usual. I hate qt where you can't paste in thread -- as town. perhaps as scum my opinion would differ. overall I found it extremely frustrating to either read people thought others were town, or, paraphrase what occurred in my qt. I also preferred the got house dynamic whereby, a cycle election occurred that bestows a power. I think this adds a genuine strategic element to the game. perhaps, every role can have a super power that is only active if mayor of house etc. | ||
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On November 05 2013 21:31 Blazinghand wrote: in terms of pasteable qts I like non-pasteable mason QTs for the main reason of mason QTs should be fakeable between two scum without like a mountain of effort yeah I get that benefit for scum. seems like QTS have a net negative benefit for town if you are not in the circle. | ||
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