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Want more damning conclusions/evidence?
Here is Mocsta's original case: Click me!
and this:
On October 19 2013 00:05 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mocsta, why is syllo getting a free pass day1 for being a potential town asset and BH(Zaragon) is not? Because zaragon was my best scum read.Bh doesn't affect that. I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home. I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless. So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently.
There's 1 kp, scum just got hit hard, I don't think they'd be in the position to bus right now, so why has mocsta dropped this entire read for mattchew instead? Especially as the evidence he's given isn't very damning for mattchew. I had a case on mattchew before the lynch too that was much more substantial but I've been discussing this with him in our QT, his reactions to me were very puzzled at how nobody could understand why he was doing the things he was doing (not something I'd expect from a scum) but I'm still a little wary.
Mocsta also switched his vote during the Cephiro/Palmar situation to BH. He switched after I said day 2 was better to get a read off him but then switched to Palmar who arguably was the same. Why? Palmar was going after Mocsta and only him. It's obviously an easy wagon to join.
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Yeah I can vote BH. Every game I play with him he dies day 1 or on day 2 he is scum claiming survivor when a survivor already flipped. I deserve to be dazzled by town BH on day 2.
##vote: BlazingHand
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On October 20 2013 08:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Jesus you have ONE birthday and people never let u live it down
I'm sure you have had more than one
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Everyone aboard the BH LYNCH TRAIN WOOT WOOT
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On October 20 2013 08:47 Holyflare wrote:Want more damning conclusions/evidence? Here is Mocsta's original case: Click me!and this: Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:05 Mocsta wrote:On October 18 2013 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mocsta, why is syllo getting a free pass day1 for being a potential town asset and BH(Zaragon) is not? Because zaragon was my best scum read.Bh doesn't affect that. I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home. I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless. So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently. There's 1 kp, scum just got hit hard, I don't think they'd be in the position to bus right now, so why has mocsta dropped this entire read for mattchew instead? Especially as the evidence he's given isn't very damning for mattchew. I had a case on mattchew before the lynch too that was much more substantial but I've been discussing this with him in our QT, his reactions to me were very puzzled at how nobody could understand why he was doing the things he was doing (not something I'd expect from a scum) but I'm still a little wary. Mocsta also switched his vote during the Cephiro/Palmar situation to BH. He switched after I said day 2 was better to get a read off him but then switched to Palmar who arguably was the same. Why? Palmar was going after Mocsta and only him. It's obviously an easy wagon to join.
You are tunneled and making fallacious arguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
I can not help it if you do not like my reasoning. It is what it is.
But where you can help yourself: is by not jumping to one conclusion to provide answers to satiate your theory.
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Mocsta, gief lvl (%) of scuminess on both BH and Mattchew plz.
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On October 20 2013 08:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Mocsta, gief lvl (%) of scuminess on both BH and Mattchew plz.
I dont work off percentage.
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@BH read on the people in Hufflepuff?
i would be interested in other peoples reads as well.
Ryan/konoshi
and anyone else who wants to chime in
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On October 20 2013 08:57 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 08:47 Holyflare wrote:Want more damning conclusions/evidence? Here is Mocsta's original case: Click me!and this: On October 19 2013 00:05 Mocsta wrote:On October 18 2013 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mocsta, why is syllo getting a free pass day1 for being a potential town asset and BH(Zaragon) is not? Because zaragon was my best scum read.Bh doesn't affect that. I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home. I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless. So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently. There's 1 kp, scum just got hit hard, I don't think they'd be in the position to bus right now, so why has mocsta dropped this entire read for mattchew instead? Especially as the evidence he's given isn't very damning for mattchew. I had a case on mattchew before the lynch too that was much more substantial but I've been discussing this with him in our QT, his reactions to me were very puzzled at how nobody could understand why he was doing the things he was doing (not something I'd expect from a scum) but I'm still a little wary. Mocsta also switched his vote during the Cephiro/Palmar situation to BH. He switched after I said day 2 was better to get a read off him but then switched to Palmar who arguably was the same. Why? Palmar was going after Mocsta and only him. It's obviously an easy wagon to join. You are tunneled and making fallacious arguments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequentI can not help it if you do not like my reasoning. It is what it is. But where you can help yourself: is by not jumping to one conclusion to provide answers to satiate your theory.
It is most definitely not tunneling and I of course know what that is. I can say the same thing about all of your last posts confirming/disproving towns/scum. A lot of those were confirmation biased opinions. This is just stating facts. Either way, I am comfortable lynching BH in light of this and it gives us more time to discuss other scenarios/scum.
##Vote: Blazinghand
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On October 20 2013 09:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 08:57 Mocsta wrote:On October 20 2013 08:47 Holyflare wrote:Want more damning conclusions/evidence? Here is Mocsta's original case: Click me!and this: On October 19 2013 00:05 Mocsta wrote:On October 18 2013 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mocsta, why is syllo getting a free pass day1 for being a potential town asset and BH(Zaragon) is not? Because zaragon was my best scum read.Bh doesn't affect that. I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home. I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless. So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently. There's 1 kp, scum just got hit hard, I don't think they'd be in the position to bus right now, so why has mocsta dropped this entire read for mattchew instead? Especially as the evidence he's given isn't very damning for mattchew. I had a case on mattchew before the lynch too that was much more substantial but I've been discussing this with him in our QT, his reactions to me were very puzzled at how nobody could understand why he was doing the things he was doing (not something I'd expect from a scum) but I'm still a little wary. Mocsta also switched his vote during the Cephiro/Palmar situation to BH. He switched after I said day 2 was better to get a read off him but then switched to Palmar who arguably was the same. Why? Palmar was going after Mocsta and only him. It's obviously an easy wagon to join. You are tunneled and making fallacious arguments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequentI can not help it if you do not like my reasoning. It is what it is. But where you can help yourself: is by not jumping to one conclusion to provide answers to satiate your theory. It is most definitely not tunneling and I of course know what that is. I can say the same thing about all of your last posts confirming/disproving towns/scum. A lot of those were confirmation biased opinions. This is just stating facts. Either way, I am comfortable lynching BH in light of this and it gives us more time to discuss other scenarios/scum.
##Vote: Blazinghand Ohh i agree completely my mattchew post was a leap of faith. I did not call it a case either. If you read any of my games, this is how I play. I'm a high risk gambler. Can't help it. I think it contributes to why people find me hard to read, I dunno.
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On October 20 2013 09:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 09:05 Holyflare wrote:On October 20 2013 08:57 Mocsta wrote:On October 20 2013 08:47 Holyflare wrote:Want more damning conclusions/evidence? Here is Mocsta's original case: Click me!and this: On October 19 2013 00:05 Mocsta wrote:On October 18 2013 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mocsta, why is syllo getting a free pass day1 for being a potential town asset and BH(Zaragon) is not? Because zaragon was my best scum read.Bh doesn't affect that. I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home. I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless. So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently. There's 1 kp, scum just got hit hard, I don't think they'd be in the position to bus right now, so why has mocsta dropped this entire read for mattchew instead? Especially as the evidence he's given isn't very damning for mattchew. I had a case on mattchew before the lynch too that was much more substantial but I've been discussing this with him in our QT, his reactions to me were very puzzled at how nobody could understand why he was doing the things he was doing (not something I'd expect from a scum) but I'm still a little wary. Mocsta also switched his vote during the Cephiro/Palmar situation to BH. He switched after I said day 2 was better to get a read off him but then switched to Palmar who arguably was the same. Why? Palmar was going after Mocsta and only him. It's obviously an easy wagon to join. You are tunneled and making fallacious arguments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequentI can not help it if you do not like my reasoning. It is what it is. But where you can help yourself: is by not jumping to one conclusion to provide answers to satiate your theory. It is most definitely not tunneling and I of course know what that is. I can say the same thing about all of your last posts confirming/disproving towns/scum. A lot of those were confirmation biased opinions. This is just stating facts. Either way, I am comfortable lynching BH in light of this and it gives us more time to discuss other scenarios/scum.
##Vote: Blazinghand Ohh i agree completely my mattchew post was a leap of faith. I did not call it a case either. If you read any of my games, this is how I play. I'm a high risk gambler. Can't help it. I think it contributes to why people find me hard to read, I dunno.
Yet you called my post fallacious without actually stating why. So what is the wrong reasoning here?
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Started diving Pandain, and got bored half-way through. + my fav target is getting votes, so this feels pointless currently.
I'm spoilering what I wrote, but a lot of feels like conspiracy theory. Which i suppose is hallmarks of decent scum play.
Prob my biggest concern from the filter is Sn0_Man for something I suppose could be minor.
As for mattchew, dunno right now, pandain is consistent with his story (ET, Palmar, Mattchew) so i dont believe that makes him town alone. But I do get that its weird for scum to hedge their bets by consistently pushing 2 scum, 1 town. That alone is prob enough to make Mattchew a low priority currently.
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##Vote: BlazingHand
+ Show Spoiler +As follows: Pandain(1)Vayne, I agree with Hopeslss that Vayne is cleared for now. My take is related to his intro stating that Vayne is hard to read -> his push on ET, Palmar, MAttchew, -> and then his willingness to bandwagon yam and vote vayne. (2) List post On October 18 2013 05:05 Pandain wrote:
I love StorrZerg's last post and he's town in my eyes.
Which leaves these people:
Sn0
Vayne
Echelon
Onegu
Tunkeg
Palmar
I-be-Pro
Stutters
JAT.
This is important as it identifies that Pandain had no issues with bussing. Whether that is by light distancing (e.g. here), or calling out ET directly. Further, Pandain filter has been consistent. If he called someone scum early game, he has maintained that read to late-Day1 (applies to both Palmar, ET & Mattchew) Thus, Hopeless1der giving Mattchew credit for being referenced in-line with EchelonTea I think is not a credit at all, but null. (3) Follow up to list post On October 18 2013 05:09 Pandain wrote:
The people who contributed greatly earlier on in the thread were:
Hopeless
Last Argument
Skanjabs
Yamato
I have town reads on all of these people and others, upon analyzing them, should confirm/deny this from their own perspective.
I also would like it if someone took the time to summarize their House QT for the thread.
I thought this was interesting, because I did not think any of these were *great* contributors early game. I'm not sure what to make of it, but given this post was made by scum. I find it hard to believe that this list of "non-touchables" would be all green. Out of the 3 remaining, skanjabs is my best read. So it is of high probability there is a mafia between Hopeless/Yamato. My gut leans Hopeless; as I have given Yamato a fair bit of slack for being in the champions game simultaneously. Will have to think about this more. If my conclusions on pandain align with Hopeless, perhaps I will need to start seriously considering Yamato. (4) This is to HolyFlare On October 18 2013 10:06 Pandain wrote:
I liked all your posts except Sn0man played very much like this in one of the previous games I played with him so I don't think day one will be the best day to pin him.
Agree with Stutters and Palmar. This was in response to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=43#859This is interesting because Palmar is town, and Stutters likely town. Why the need to give them scum reads, and only Sn0Man a town read? Odd post in general.
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On October 20 2013 08:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 08:43 syllogism wrote:
That Mocsta case on Mattchew is up there among the least convincing cases I've read in this game. It appears to amount to "mafia briefly discussed something fairly irrelevant with another player, therefore that player is mafia". Could Mocsta actually believe that is a reasonable reason for suspecting someone, not to mention be his number one suspect, or is that a case made by a mafia who is under suspicion and just had three of his teammates flip on n?. Syllo, You say you want to policy lynch me; and now you are talking about mafia mindset. What is your actual problem with my play?
I'm outta here.
Syllo, I would still like a response to this.
Thanks,
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Totally just got ignored... 
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*gives cookie to Holyflare*
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yamato died in the champions game so he's pretty out of excuses. this is why you dont need to lynch yamato earlier as I stated at the beginning. He grows bored of scum and just stops doing anything except being mad
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On October 20 2013 09:43 Holyflare wrote:Totally just got ignored...
its ok people ignore me too
maybe someone will love me
why can't i find some body to love?
fk can people talk about hufflepuff since we are the best? (we just won o baby)
also i know "hufflepuff" gets to decide where the +.5 goes. But i'd be interested in outside input as well.
Its likely there is one or more scum in our house, so they will know regardless.
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On October 20 2013 10:03 StorrZerg wrote:its ok people ignore me too maybe someone will love me why can't i find some body to love? fk can people talk about hufflepuff since we are the best? (we just won o baby) also i know "hufflepuff" gets to decide where the +.5 goes. But i'd be interested in outside input as well. Its likely there is one or more scum in our house, so they will know regardless.
Well, since you can only nominate a player of your house for the + 0.5 I think HolyFlare is the best call. He is the only one I am really leaning town on in your house.
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On October 20 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 10:03 StorrZerg wrote:On October 20 2013 09:43 Holyflare wrote:Totally just got ignored... its ok people ignore me too maybe someone will love me why can't i find some body to love? fk can people talk about hufflepuff since we are the best? (we just won o baby) also i know "hufflepuff" gets to decide where the +.5 goes. But i'd be interested in outside input as well. Its likely there is one or more scum in our house, so they will know regardless. Well, since you can only nominate a player of your house for the + 0.5 I think HolyFlare is the best call. He is the only one I am really leaning town on in your house.
On October 20 2013 09:05 StorrZerg wrote:
@BH read on the people in Hufflepuff?
i would be interested in other peoples reads as well.
Ryan/konoshi
and anyone else who wants to chime in
Mind talking a bit more about my house? JAT
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Generally not but it is 4 am here and I will go to bed now.
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