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On October 29 2013 08:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I haven't dived into Hopeless' filter yet and I am starting to consider the possibility that the hosts gave scum a role that would ordinarily be perceived as pro-town, but voting him solely for using his power on JAT is silly. He said he had to use each power once before he is able to use one twice.
It is nothing to do with the role use on jat.
Even now he is claiming that because all his potions are used he becomes confirmed town. We already had a role similar to that with storrzerg, an absolutely awesome role.
I assume you read nothing I wrote on hopeless during the night. Is this true?
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On October 29 2013 08:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 08:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I haven't dived into Hopeless' filter yet and I am starting to consider the possibility that the hosts gave scum a role that would ordinarily be perceived as pro-town, but voting him solely for using his power on JAT is silly. He said he had to use each power once before he is able to use one twice. It is nothing to do with the role use on jat. Even now he is claiming that because all his potions are used he becomes confirmed town. We already had a role similar to that with storrzerg, an absolutely awesome role. I assume you read nothing I wrote on hopeless during the night. Is this true?
I don't recall anything too interesting; I'm pretty sure that was Rayn's reasoning.
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Ok. When I get comp.access later I will muster town onto hopeless
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Mocsta, do you think SCUM would have ALIGNMENT checks? Based on the pm from drinking amortentia, do you think the pm for veritaserum would specify the type of check (eg alignment or role or name)? Do you think my role can self confirm in this manner?
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On October 29 2013 09:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mocsta, do you think SCUM would have ALIGNMENT checks? Based on the pm from drinking amortentia, do you think the pm for veritaserum would specify the type of check (eg alignment or role or name)? Do you think my role can self confirm in this manner?
1. I thought you used the check potion on yourself. So the outcome is non verifiable.
2. Amortization potion was as you described, as was syllo potion.
Why is this meaningful? There were many reasons for scum to give those potions to town.
And my judgement on you is based on overall play, not your potions.
3. You have provided zero detail to how you wills self confirm
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On October 23 2013 05:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why is Grack not saying what the candie did?
He is scum. He is scum. He is scum.
VA TOLD GRYPH QT GRACK WAS SCUM
GRACK IS SCUM
I can't get over how dumb this was.
On October 23 2013 05:14 raynpelikonoshi wrote:and where did Vayne get this wealth of knowledge from? Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 05:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2013 05:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why is Grack not saying what the candie did?
He is scum. He is scum. He is scum.
VA TOLD GRYPH QT GRACK WAS SCUM
GRACK IS SCUM and where did Vayne get this wealth of knowledge from? They played scum together in Golden Sun. This is what VA said paraphrased: The skanjab case from Grack makes my scumread on Grack even stronger, in our QT in Golden Sun he loved to make big random cases on weaker players using their filter to make them look bad with coincidental evidence. Look at Grack filter from Thug Life Mafia where he died day 2. Compare it with this one. I linked to it during last night.
I made pretty much the exact same kind of case that Koshi was pushing JAT for earlier. (Having reasons for Mattchew being scum earlier and then voting somebody else out of the blue) except mine was stronger because Skanjab1s switched randomly in a close vote count.
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On October 29 2013 09:15 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 09:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mocsta, do you think SCUM would have ALIGNMENT checks? Based on the pm from drinking amortentia, do you think the pm for veritaserum would specify the type of check (eg alignment or role or name)? Do you think my role can self confirm in this manner? 1. I thought you used the check potion on yourself. So the outcome is non verifiable. 2. Amortization potion was as you described, as was syllo potion. Why is this meaningful? There were many reasons for scum to give those potions to town. And my judgement on you is based on overall play, not your potions. 3. You have provided zero detail to how you wills self confirm
3. the pm that the targetted player receives will notify them that their ALIGNMENT has been revealed to me. Unless you think scum can have alignment checks, my role confirms in this manner. It boggles my mind that you don't understand this already. It requires a second trusted person for this to work obviously. and for the love of god, DO NOT start spewing bullshit about how I'm going to fakeclaim and get a scumbuddy to claim green to "verify" my copcheck. Just dont. "pretend" I'm telling the truth (I am in fact telling the truth) and then hunt scum elsewhere.
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1. Are you suggesting that you had two alignment chcks?
If so, is there an order to how you release potions?
2. You keep wanting to prove your alignment through use of your role. I keep telling you that my issue is with how you have gone about playing the game..
Specifically the lack of what you have pushed;
The timing of your interjections;
Your reactions to majir thread items;
And;
Your explanation for role usage.
Next you are going to tell me that you played intentionally scummy like cephiro.
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I'm done spoonfeeding answers to a tunneled person who refuses to take off their tinfoil hat.
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A lot of Rayn's reasoning is just so bad. Lynch the guy who says that Rayn ends up with good reads end game because he accuses every player in the game at some point. Obviously he has some sort of scum agenda for calling my reads on flipped players bad. (not even what I was saying but even then means nothing)
On October 24 2013 07:57 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
When Cephiro flips scum next thing to do is to lynch Grack who called my reads D1 - N1 awful.
I had 3 scumreads and they were Cephiro, ET and Pandain.
-rayn
On October 24 2013 09:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
The thing is that he oftentimes "nails" those scum by accusing everyone in the game. This is the quote. After this you try to cover it up by saying this: Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 08:22 Grackaroni wrote:On October 23 2013 07:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 23 2013 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
The thing is that he oftentimes "nails" those scum by accusing everyone in the game. last comment on this game. I have only accused Cephiro and ET on this gme D1. Thank you. -rayn yeah but those are the reads that will show up post game. Not the Day3 reads of Me/JAT/Mattchew which are probably all wrong. The problem is i hadn't given out those reads on you/Matt/JAT before you made the first comment. Therefore you can't possibly say my reads are bad as you did in your first post. TLDR; "rayn's all reads are bad because he asccuses everyone" "i ahve only accused scum if Cephiro is scum" "yeah but these D3 reads are bad" (they were not there when Grack made that argument) -rayn
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So grack you're pointing out a lot of rayns shit but all you're saying is that he's defending himself, there's no real sentiment to what you are posting if it all comes in drips and drabs.
Mocsta i understand your hopeless shit but don't you think at least the night to prove himself would be ok compared to the BH that "saved" sn0 tonight? He wasn't roleblocked, sn0 is still dead.
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Or do you think his potion might be that op? Or he powers up or something?
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I don't think I've said that Rayn is defending himself once.
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Your last post points to a bitch fight where he is defending the fact that his reads were good day 1. The rest of them are just calling his reasoning bad. Doesn't that look more like a tunneled player who is trying to find scummy things and in his mind is confirming it rather than a scum making up a lot of crap. Like i said, i read and made a case on rayn and I did much the same as you but his overall hunting and sentiment are not that of scum rayn.
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On October 29 2013 11:21 Holyflare wrote:
Your last post points to a bitch fight where he is defending the fact that his reads were good day 1. The rest of them are just calling his reasoning bad. Doesn't that look more like a tunneled player who is trying to find scummy things and in his mind is confirming it rather than a scum making up a lot of crap. Like i said, i read and made a case on rayn and I did much the same as you but his overall hunting and sentiment are not that of scum rayn.
he was saying there was some scum agenda/cover up though lol.
I find it very peculiar that Koshi can be so strongly against what I said on Skanjab considering he posted something similar against JAT.
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Oh Mocsta what was your night action. Did you misdirect?
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On October 29 2013 11:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh Mocsta what was your night action. Did you misdirect? I did not. I used Lumos.
So still have 2x protects, 2x redirects. I plan to use the redirects when 1 scum is left to win the game.
Regarding the read into Rayn: I don't object to you doing this.
In my opinion though, I think Rayn is better left as a candidate for the third and final scum.
Todays lynch most likely needs to be between
Onegu
Hopeless1der
Blazinghand
Skanjab
Skanjab
It makes no sense to me why he refuses to claim.
I could consider policy lynching him this cycle whilst we still maintain a numerical advantage.
Hes a dark horse: difficult to read, doesn't want to interact with the thread, and I am not certain he will vote with the thread.
If we want to get rid of drift wood, this is probably our only cycle left.
Hopeless1der
I wanted to lynch him as he was my strongest read.
I was hoping for some thread feedback as I am not sure if tunneled - never got it.
Holy raises a fair point though with BH
Blazinghand
Every cycle I keep wanting to lynch zaragon/Blazinghand, but, for whatever reason I can't compel myself to do it - I think I am scarred from mislynching two town doctors last game.
Perhaps why I RB him but not vote.
He clearly doesn't give a shit about the game; doesn't have an excuse for the RB or misdirect and probably is the best lynch this cycle.
Onegu
I'm not seeing him as scum.
If he is, well done, not that my reads have been perfect, but hes completely fooled me.
In my opinion, his only questionable item is the Vet Claim; which is not specific to just him.
##Unvote
##Vote: Blazinghand
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How many people visited your house?
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Holyflare
Look at these series of quotes
Exhibit A
On October 17 2013 23:52 Pandain wrote:
Heck a player doesn't even have to play to his meta, it's honestly only a slight tell at best.
Meta is way over used in lynches.
Exhibit B
On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote:
Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches?
Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change?
Why are you voting him, is it just for that.
Exhibit C
On October 17 2013 23:54 LastArgument wrote:
I suggest you read my filter.
On October 17 2013 23:59 Pandain wrote:
Well if you want to convince me to vote for him, then lay it on the line. I only see that you think he should always value suspicions over policy lynches.
This series of posts is all related to an exchange between LastArgument and Hopeless1der because Hopeless1der proposed a policy lynch on Mattchew. LA provided quotes detailing in the past a town Hopeless is against policy lynching.
Facts
(1) Mattchew was town
(2) LastArgument was town
(3) Pandain was scum
(4) Pandain proposes a lynch on Mattchew before this exchange.
Please explain to me the scum motivation for Pandain to repeatedly butt heads with LastArgument and try to discredit his argument.
Please consider that in these exchanges:
Pandain makes zero effort to steer the lynch to someone else; rather,
he is purely laying out a defense for an unflipped player.
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