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I can answer that Mocsta. Here's what my (our) read on Pandain has evolved.
Start of D1 - QT opens. Pandain makes an opening post in thread and is really active in QT, i give him a townread for that (because he is not rational as scum - or his disguise falls apart at some point). Nothing to change my mind at the first 3/4 of D1 (as Pandain is reasonable with his suspicion on Ceph, and i agree with him). Then i go off for the rest of D1, Palmar gets lynched. I look at Pandain's posts on D1 end and on N1. Then i post this:
"Pandain wtf is wrong with you? "
"Also Pandain, you have gone into your scum!mode of making zero sense pushing bad lynches and having bad thoughts that make no sense. Plz if you are town step up your game and do not overthink stuff."
This is based on late D1 and N1 when Pandain, for no apparent reason, completely changes his read on Cephiro (Cephiro actually WAS playing to his scum meta - it's fucking obvious if you looked at Aperture and Noir).
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On October 28 2013 15:01 syllogism wrote:
If Onegu's claim is fake, he had been preparing it at least since early day 3. He said that he had an ability he could use once or more precisely an ability he could only use once without hurting himself.
No framer would mean that there is no mafia left in Slytherin. I'm not willing to accept this and I think we should ignore the checks completely. If mafia framer doesn't have anything better to do with his abilities, framing Ravenclaw on n3 made perfect sense even without them knowing there was still a potential cop alive.
Im undecided on where Onegu fits. Like I said before, in PM land he can come out as incredibly townie - so I can see why you would think he is town. I am not a fan of how HolyFlare has tried to discredit that, nor how he has insinuated ET made an intentionally bad case (which I disagree with).
Re-reading up to 3/4 of Day1. I am certain Hopeless1der is scum.
His posting comes at opportunistic intervals,
He gives out too many town reads, when he is under the gun,
His pushing of policy lynch
Pandain stepping out to protect Hopeless1der without pushing another person
Pandain stating that Hopeless1der was a top early contributor - which Toad instantly disagreed with
Past 3/4 day1 (from memory)
Has blended in the thread, i can't recall him pushing anything
His abilities are not alignment indicative
His use of potion on me is terrible; as is his explanation. (My abilities are bad for him).. why does this matter if he is town, and I am town?
Hopeless1der needs to be lynched.
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On October 28 2013 15:15 syllogism wrote:
Who did Slytherin use the polyjuice on?
I beleive we debated HolyFlare.
Not sure if it went through, Sn0 will have to confirm.
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On October 28 2013 15:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I can answer that Mocsta. Here's what my (our) read on Pandain has evolved.
Start of D1 - QT opens. Pandain makes an opening post in thread and is really active in QT, i give him a townread for that (because he is not rational as scum - or his disguise falls apart at some point). Nothing to change my mind at the first 3/4 of D1 (as Pandain is reasonable with his suspicion on Ceph, and i agree with him). Then i go off for the rest of D1, Palmar gets lynched. I look at Pandain's posts on D1 end and on N1. Then i post this:
"Pandain wtf is wrong with you? "
"Also Pandain, you have gone into your scum!mode of making zero sense pushing bad lynches and having bad thoughts that make no sense. Plz if you are town step up your game and do not overthink stuff."
This is based on late D1 and N1 when Pandain, for no apparent reason, completely changes his read on Cephiro (Cephiro actually WAS playing to his scum meta - it's fucking obvious if you looked at Aperture and Noir).
I assume this is related to the question I asked JAT?
If so, this doesn't answer the question....
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I don't want to overstate my QT based read on Onegu. The QT hasn't been very active since day 1 and it's nothing conclusive. His posts have just felt genuine, but looking back I don't think I should have been as definite as I was with my read.
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On October 28 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 15:01 syllogism wrote:
If Onegu's claim is fake, he had been preparing it at least since early day 3. He said that he had an ability he could use once or more precisely an ability he could only use once without hurting himself.
No framer would mean that there is no mafia left in Slytherin. I'm not willing to accept this and I think we should ignore the checks completely. If mafia framer doesn't have anything better to do with his abilities, framing Ravenclaw on n3 made perfect sense even without them knowing there was still a potential cop alive. Im undecided on where Onegu fits. Like I said before, in PM land he can come out as incredibly townie - so I can see why you would think he is town. I am not a fan of how HolyFlare has tried to discredit that, nor how he has insinuated ET made an intentionally bad case (which I disagree with).
Re-reading up to 3/4 of Day1. I am certain Hopeless1der is scum. His posting comes at opportunistic intervals, He gives out too many town reads, when he is under the gun, His pushing of policy lynch Pandain stepping out to protect Hopeless1der without pushing another person Pandain stating that Hopeless1der was a top early contributor - which Toad instantly disagreed with Past 3/4 day1 (from memory) Has blended in the thread, i can't recall him pushing anything His abilities are not alignment indicative His use of potion on me is terrible; as is his explanation. (My abilities are bad for him).. why does this matter if he is town, and I am town? Hopeless1der needs to be lynched.
Yeah and in that game where we had PMs and you got a heavy town read on me, I flipped town...
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Okay Mocsta then i do not understand the question.. :/
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Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?
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On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?
Better question is why would he do that as scum?
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On October 28 2013 15:24 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Okay Mocsta then i do not understand the question.. :/
Well it may have answered the question, but I need JAT to confirm.
Your response detailed posts past-Day1, which extends beyond the info JAT had when making that post.
It is possible JAT is referring to you calling Pandain town for his opener. But only he can confirm.
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On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret? Better question is why would he do that as scum?
Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also.
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On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?
I don't think this is conclusive (from memory, unfortuantely you did not post quotes so memory is all i have to go on).
People could (& did) say I was scummy for backpedaling about my powers.
(1) I was uncomfortable when Syllo was asking me about it, because I didn't want to give it away (mainly because I thought theyw ere powerful) ---> I suppose this can not apply to HolyFlare
(2) Its possible he had a lapse of memory --> which I did as well.
Or whatever; Holyflare could be scum, but i much prefer a lynch on Hopeless1der.
This also means that if HF is scum, hes a GF (or scum knew about the check and framed HF)
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On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret? Better question is why would he do that as scum? Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also.
This doesn't make any sense.
Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"?
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On October 28 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 15:24 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Okay Mocsta then i do not understand the question.. :/ Well it may have answered the question, but I need JAT to confirm. Your response detailed posts past-Day1, which extends beyond the info JAT had when making that post. It is possible JAT is referring to you calling Pandain town for his opener. But only he can confirm.
Okay i get it. I have called Pandain town in QT and in thread the whole D1 i have been here. When i left he started doing scummy shit and i called him out on it in N1.
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On October 28 2013 15:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret? Better question is why would he do that as scum? Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also. This doesn't make any sense. Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"?
Because it would still show up as a "secret vote"
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On October 28 2013 15:34 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 15:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret? Better question is why would he do that as scum? Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also. This doesn't make any sense. Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"? Because it would still show up as a "secret vote"
Did he claim something else then? Like "my vote counts twice" or ?
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On October 28 2013 15:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 15:34 syllogism wrote:On October 28 2013 15:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret? Better question is why would he do that as scum? Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also. This doesn't make any sense. Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"? Because it would still show up as a "secret vote" Did he claim something else then? Like "my vote counts twice" or ?
No, he said he had an extra vote that he has to publicly announce, but I definitely would be extremely suspicious of a publicly announced vote that shows up as "secret".
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On October 28 2013 15:36 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 15:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 28 2013 15:34 syllogism wrote:On October 28 2013 15:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret? Better question is why would he do that as scum? Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also. This doesn't make any sense. Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"? Because it would still show up as a "secret vote" Did he claim something else then? Like "my vote counts twice" or ? No, he said he had an extra vote that he has to publicly announce, but I definitely would be extremely suspicious of a publicly announced vote that shows up as "secret".
Why would you claim that as scum in the first place? Why not just say that you are vanilla and use the vote on LYLO?
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HF how many times can you secret vote?
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I don't understand that either, which is why I've tried to ignore these issues. Oh and he is a squib too.
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