• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:53
CET 19:53
KST 03:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool43Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion Soulkey's decision to leave C9 JaeDong's form before ASL
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group B 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group A ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1999 users

Hogwarts Mafia - Page 230

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 228 229 230 231 232 296 Next
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 28 2013 06:17 GMT
#4581
I can answer that Mocsta. Here's what my (our) read on Pandain has evolved.
Start of D1 - QT opens. Pandain makes an opening post in thread and is really active in QT, i give him a townread for that (because he is not rational as scum - or his disguise falls apart at some point). Nothing to change my mind at the first 3/4 of D1 (as Pandain is reasonable with his suspicion on Ceph, and i agree with him). Then i go off for the rest of D1, Palmar gets lynched. I look at Pandain's posts on D1 end and on N1. Then i post this:
"Pandain wtf is wrong with you? "
"Also Pandain, you have gone into your scum!mode of making zero sense pushing bad lynches and having bad thoughts that make no sense. Plz if you are town step up your game and do not overthink stuff."

This is based on late D1 and N1 when Pandain, for no apparent reason, completely changes his read on Cephiro (Cephiro actually WAS playing to his scum meta - it's fucking obvious if you looked at Aperture and Noir).
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 28 2013 06:17 GMT
#4582
On October 28 2013 15:01 syllogism wrote:
If Onegu's claim is fake, he had been preparing it at least since early day 3. He said that he had an ability he could use once or more precisely an ability he could only use once without hurting himself.

No framer would mean that there is no mafia left in Slytherin. I'm not willing to accept this and I think we should ignore the checks completely. If mafia framer doesn't have anything better to do with his abilities, framing Ravenclaw on n3 made perfect sense even without them knowing there was still a potential cop alive.

Im undecided on where Onegu fits. Like I said before, in PM land he can come out as incredibly townie - so I can see why you would think he is town. I am not a fan of how HolyFlare has tried to discredit that, nor how he has insinuated ET made an intentionally bad case (which I disagree with).


Re-reading up to 3/4 of Day1. I am certain Hopeless1der is scum.

His posting comes at opportunistic intervals,
He gives out too many town reads, when he is under the gun,
His pushing of policy lynch
Pandain stepping out to protect Hopeless1der without pushing another person
Pandain stating that Hopeless1der was a top early contributor - which Toad instantly disagreed with

Past 3/4 day1 (from memory)
Has blended in the thread, i can't recall him pushing anything
His abilities are not alignment indicative
His use of potion on me is terrible; as is his explanation. (My abilities are bad for him).. why does this matter if he is town, and I am town?

Hopeless1der needs to be lynched.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 28 2013 06:19 GMT
#4583
On October 28 2013 15:15 syllogism wrote:
Who did Slytherin use the polyjuice on?

I beleive we debated HolyFlare.

Not sure if it went through, Sn0 will have to confirm.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 28 2013 06:21 GMT
#4584
On October 28 2013 15:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I can answer that Mocsta. Here's what my (our) read on Pandain has evolved.
Start of D1 - QT opens. Pandain makes an opening post in thread and is really active in QT, i give him a townread for that (because he is not rational as scum - or his disguise falls apart at some point). Nothing to change my mind at the first 3/4 of D1 (as Pandain is reasonable with his suspicion on Ceph, and i agree with him). Then i go off for the rest of D1, Palmar gets lynched. I look at Pandain's posts on D1 end and on N1. Then i post this:
"Pandain wtf is wrong with you? "
"Also Pandain, you have gone into your scum!mode of making zero sense pushing bad lynches and having bad thoughts that make no sense. Plz if you are town step up your game and do not overthink stuff."

This is based on late D1 and N1 when Pandain, for no apparent reason, completely changes his read on Cephiro (Cephiro actually WAS playing to his scum meta - it's fucking obvious if you looked at Aperture and Noir).

I assume this is related to the question I asked JAT?

If so, this doesn't answer the question....
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 28 2013 06:22 GMT
#4585
I don't want to overstate my QT based read on Onegu. The QT hasn't been very active since day 1 and it's nothing conclusive. His posts have just felt genuine, but looking back I don't think I should have been as definite as I was with my read.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 28 2013 06:23 GMT
#4586
On October 28 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:01 syllogism wrote:
If Onegu's claim is fake, he had been preparing it at least since early day 3. He said that he had an ability he could use once or more precisely an ability he could only use once without hurting himself.

No framer would mean that there is no mafia left in Slytherin. I'm not willing to accept this and I think we should ignore the checks completely. If mafia framer doesn't have anything better to do with his abilities, framing Ravenclaw on n3 made perfect sense even without them knowing there was still a potential cop alive.

Im undecided on where Onegu fits. Like I said before, in PM land he can come out as incredibly townie - so I can see why you would think he is town. I am not a fan of how HolyFlare has tried to discredit that, nor how he has insinuated ET made an intentionally bad case (which I disagree with).


Re-reading up to 3/4 of Day1. I am certain Hopeless1der is scum.

His posting comes at opportunistic intervals,
He gives out too many town reads, when he is under the gun,
His pushing of policy lynch
Pandain stepping out to protect Hopeless1der without pushing another person
Pandain stating that Hopeless1der was a top early contributor - which Toad instantly disagreed with

Past 3/4 day1 (from memory)
Has blended in the thread, i can't recall him pushing anything
His abilities are not alignment indicative
His use of potion on me is terrible; as is his explanation. (My abilities are bad for him).. why does this matter if he is town, and I am town?

Hopeless1der needs to be lynched.



Yeah and in that game where we had PMs and you got a heavy town read on me, I flipped town...
Try TL Mafia!!!
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 28 2013 06:24 GMT
#4587
Okay Mocsta then i do not understand the question.. :/
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 28 2013 06:26 GMT
#4588
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?
Try TL Mafia!!!
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 28 2013 06:27 GMT
#4589
On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?

Better question is why would he do that as scum?
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 28 2013 06:28 GMT
#4590
On October 28 2013 15:24 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Okay Mocsta then i do not understand the question.. :/

Well it may have answered the question, but I need JAT to confirm.

Your response detailed posts past-Day1, which extends beyond the info JAT had when making that post.

It is possible JAT is referring to you calling Pandain town for his opener. But only he can confirm.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 28 2013 06:30 GMT
#4591
On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?

Better question is why would he do that as scum?



Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 28 2013 06:32 GMT
#4592
On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?

I don't think this is conclusive (from memory, unfortuantely you did not post quotes so memory is all i have to go on).

People could (& did) say I was scummy for backpedaling about my powers.

(1) I was uncomfortable when Syllo was asking me about it, because I didn't want to give it away (mainly because I thought theyw ere powerful) ---> I suppose this can not apply to HolyFlare

(2) Its possible he had a lapse of memory --> which I did as well.

Or whatever; Holyflare could be scum, but i much prefer a lynch on Hopeless1der.

This also means that if HF is scum, hes a GF (or scum knew about the check and framed HF)
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 28 2013 06:32 GMT
#4593
On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?

Better question is why would he do that as scum?



Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also.

This doesn't make any sense.
Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"?
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 28 2013 06:34 GMT
#4594
On October 28 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:24 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Okay Mocsta then i do not understand the question.. :/

Well it may have answered the question, but I need JAT to confirm.

Your response detailed posts past-Day1, which extends beyond the info JAT had when making that post.

It is possible JAT is referring to you calling Pandain town for his opener. But only he can confirm.

Okay i get it. I have called Pandain town in QT and in thread the whole D1 i have been here. When i left he started doing scummy shit and i called him out on it in N1.
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 28 2013 06:34 GMT
#4595
On October 28 2013 15:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?

Better question is why would he do that as scum?



Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also.

This doesn't make any sense.
Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"?

Because it would still show up as a "secret vote"
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 28 2013 06:35 GMT
#4596
On October 28 2013 15:34 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?

Better question is why would he do that as scum?



Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also.

This doesn't make any sense.
Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"?

Because it would still show up as a "secret vote"

Did he claim something else then? Like "my vote counts twice" or ?
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 28 2013 06:36 GMT
#4597
On October 28 2013 15:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:34 syllogism wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?

Better question is why would he do that as scum?



Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also.

This doesn't make any sense.
Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"?

Because it would still show up as a "secret vote"

Did he claim something else then? Like "my vote counts twice" or ?

No, he said he had an extra vote that he has to publicly announce, but I definitely would be extremely suspicious of a publicly announced vote that shows up as "secret".
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 28 2013 06:40 GMT
#4598
On October 28 2013 15:36 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:34 syllogism wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:30 Onegu wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret?

Better question is why would he do that as scum?



Because he had too. He claimed then mocsta used his secret vote and "oh shit" my claim cant be public I better say its a secret vote also.

This doesn't make any sense.
Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"?

Because it would still show up as a "secret vote"

Did he claim something else then? Like "my vote counts twice" or ?

No, he said he had an extra vote that he has to publicly announce, but I definitely would be extremely suspicious of a publicly announced vote that shows up as "secret".

Why would you claim that as scum in the first place? Why not just say that you are vanilla and use the vote on LYLO?
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 28 2013 06:42 GMT
#4599
HF how many times can you secret vote?
Try TL Mafia!!!
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 28 2013 06:43 GMT
#4600
I don't understand that either, which is why I've tried to ignore these issues. Oh and he is a squib too.
Prev 1 228 229 230 231 232 296 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 7m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 438
elazer 321
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 16308
Calm 3763
Shuttle 944
Bisu 897
Mini 389
ggaemo 209
firebathero 185
EffOrt 150
Dewaltoss 135
Light 132
[ Show more ]
actioN 105
Mind 51
IntoTheRainbow 18
soO 6
Dota 2
Gorgc7150
Counter-Strike
byalli965
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK7
Other Games
Grubby2502
singsing1428
FrodaN1082
Beastyqt781
ceh9646
C9.Mang0110
Hui .103
QueenE68
Trikslyr63
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream37
StarCraft 2
angryscii 11
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 2
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 25
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1797
• WagamamaTV393
League of Legends
• Nemesis3452
Other Games
• imaqtpie917
• Shiphtur243
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
5h 7m
Replay Cast
14h 7m
Afreeca Starleague
15h 7m
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
16h 7m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
KCM Race Survival
1d 14h
The PondCast
1d 15h
WardiTV Team League
1d 17h
OSC
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Team League
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Platinum Heroes Events
3 days
BSL
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
OSC
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-23
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.