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On October 29 2013 04:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 04:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Lots of problems with his case.
1) the list wasn't scum reads. I was ruling people out. The reason I ruled out BH was because i figured this setup would have a medic and BH being medic and RNG made sense considering nobody had healed syllogism and that's what medic should have done. (would have died to Sn0 Man)
2) Case came after day2 because that is when the vote switch happened. Cephiro and CR were both a dead lock.
3) I did interact with Skanjab1s...
4) I pushed Skan. I was really counting on Skanjab1s having exposed himself to save CR. I was mistaken. He still contradicts himself a lot but I'm not as convinced.
5) 5 is actually decent. 1) Anyone looking into your filter will see that you have been calling BH town (at least softly) all game. 2) The point about Cephiro and D3 still stands. Also if you were voting for CR on D4 based on the cop check (you never give any reasoning for why he is scum over Skan), you should have been voting for me instead as i apparently am your scumread. 3) Yes, but it does not seem like you are interacting with your scumread in a sense i brought up in my case. 4) I do not see it. And pre-flip associations are bad. On a sidenote, i am not sure if my night action goes through because i might have missed the deadline. Not that it means much, but still.. :/
1) And I just told you why I thought BH was town; I've explained it earlier too.
2)I said I was against the Cephiro lynch. People weren't going to change their mind so I didn't bother. I had a connection between Skan/CR so the redcheck was good enough for me. I also thought Yamato's absence was suspicious and it didn't help that CR's first reaction was to pin the red check onto Onegu without considering framers while doing so for other houses.
4) I stand by it. You should look for people switching votes with poor reasoning. That is how you scumhunt.
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It's a pretty difficult game to solve when we haven't had a single wagon on scum yet this game.
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On October 29 2013 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I remember you calling out Skanjabs for changing his vote from his scumread to a target that was pushed by his scumread correct?
I found it hilarious because of what happened in Golden Sun D1. :D
Did Skanjabs ever answer to you regarding that? You did the very same thing in Golden Sun and by proxy that should "prove" to you he is in fact scum. You have not been pushing him hard, you have not stood behind your scumread and go against people who are wrong. I don't know why you would do that as town. If you have enough balls to call Cephiro town on D3 when everyone is scum he is scum why don't you have balls to convince people that Skanjabs is scum?
Was CR pushing Stutters?
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The only thing I find funny about that situation is that when I do that in Golden Sun you call me out as scum. You think Skanjab1s made the same mistake that I had made in Golden Sun this game but rather than call him out on it you avoid commenting on the case and instead accuse me of making a case against a weaker player and following my scum meta. Then you start insisting that I write a case on you when I wasn't even interested in lynching you.
Well that's not entirely true; the fact that you come back later to accuse me of not pushing Skanjab1s is pretty funny too.
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On October 29 2013 04:41 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2013 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People have no idea how much it bugs that I accuse Skanjab of having weak justification for a vote change off of his scum read and contradictions and I get ignored. But then Mocsta writes that Skanjab1s case on Sn0 Man was weak. (It was actually quite reasonable; Switching from a scumread on to a policy lynch proposed by your previous scum read is scummy) and then cherry picks some one-liners and says Skanjab doesn't care about the lynch and that constitutes a good case. I could find quotes exactly like that in every single town game Palmar has ever played in or even from my own filter this game. This is the post in question.
Oh that's me disagreeing with Mocsta's case.
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haha wait Rayn's 5th point applies to himself.
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Oh wow. This is getting ugly.
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I'm guessing Mocsta made BH target Sn0 Man?
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Pandain's pain is being eternalized!
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meh since you are here why aren't you voting me?
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On October 29 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 06:47 Grackaroni wrote:
meh since you are here why aren't you voting me? Because perma-cancelling a vote from a most likely town member is essentially a same thing than killing them. That's fucking scummy.
it isn't permanent lol
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He is a crafty one that Blazinghand.
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I actually started reading. Beginning with my least favorite player's filter for this game.
On October 17 2013 20:34 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:31 syllogism wrote:On October 17 2013 20:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:22 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it.
2) Because you were just baiting people to say something. How do you view Skanjab at the moment? Do you believe in what you wrote about him still, or what? If you're convinced that it was bad, what was it that convinced you of this? Well, if +5 people say what you wrote was bad, and nobody says it was good. I am going to believe it was bad. Skanjab is not a townread for me, I can vote him but wont persue him anymore. Others can do that. This is not at all the conclusion you make for the skepticism. No one has strong feelings regarding Skanjab's alignment based on the few posts he has made so far and he could definitely be mafia. If you think he is mafia you should be pursuing him. I'm not sure what to make of your attitude as the whole "drop all suspicions immediately" is bordering too suspicious to actually be mafia territory. I am not dropping all suspicion. I am dropping my previous line of thinking out of the reasons why I think he is scum. What do you think of Pandain opening post?
On October 17 2013 20:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:20 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 20:17 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 20:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
About me going after skanjab.
I see nobody liked it, so I'll drop that line of thinking. I might have been forcing it a bit too much there anyway. you're dropping things pretty quickly On October 17 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why are you voting Cephiro? you also dropped this question. Why didn't you feel the need to pressure me? 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it. 2) Because you were just baiting people to say something. you didn't think about my vote at all or did you? The issue i have with you is, that I think you don't care that much about the things going on in here. You care about participating at the discussion. Not so much about the outcome. Cephiro is in my House so there is really 0 reasons for you to vote him except gain silly reactions. Pretty sure I went after skanjab yesterday so I/ others could get a read on him. What do you think of Pandain his opening post?
First weird thing to me is that Koshi asked both Syllo/SS about Pandain's first post without having any opinion on it himself.
@Rayn did Koshi say anything to you about Pandain's first post and can you summarize his opinion?
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On October 20 2013 01:41 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
btw JAT, you being scum has nothing to do with connection to Mattchew, it is the fact that you had REASONS for Mattchew being scum but didn't act on them when the wagon was happening.
On October 20 2013 02:06 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 02:02 justanothertownie wrote:On October 20 2013 01:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 20 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:On October 20 2013 01:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 20 2013 01:47 justanothertownie wrote:On October 20 2013 01:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 20 2013 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Rayn there is a problem with your logic. Mattchew was never leading in votes as far as I know. Not even close to. Your whole theory depends on Mattchew being scum - it is essentially just one big pre-flip connection case.
I voted for Palmar over Mattchew because my townreads voted him (I don't have that many of them) and he was being useless. Mocstas voting is strange though. No JAT, don't fucking bullshit me. There were 4 votes within 3 minutes going on Mattchew with a case of HolyFlare to fuel that wagon. There were at that time 5 votes on Palmar. So there was reason to believe Mattchew wagon was going to happen because Palmar wagon lost steam. But then 2 people who voted Mattchew went 180 FOR NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL 3 minutes after they voted Mattchew. Do not spew bullshit JAT. Don't do it. ^ What is wrong with what I say? Tell me? Why was Mattchew not happening except for the reason that 2 people (Mocsta and certainly Cephiro) who believed in the Mattchew wagon jsut went 180 and voted for either BH (what wasn't going to happen) or went back to fucking Palmar (who wasn't a scumread of Cephiro) And then there was you who had actual point to vote on Mattchew while you were indecisive but decided to not push the Mattchew wagon at all and then went for Palmar lynch because of strong town reads. Please give me those townreads + reasoning FAST. Who is talking here btw. feels very much like rayn and it is not signed. I count 6 votes on Palmar before there was even a single one on Mattchew. 2 of them came directly after cephiros list. Maybe YOU should stop spewing bullshit, yes? Palmars wagon picked up speed and did not lose steam. Yes, Cephiros voting makes not much sense but he was really trying to not be lynched so I am not sure how rational he was. I probably shouldn't be giving townreads right now but they are both primary targets already anyways. Syllo and LA. One of the 6 was this guy On October 19 2013 04:47 Cephiro wrote:
##vote Palmar But he went to Mattchew. So Palmar had 5 votes and Mattchew 4. So please JAT. DON'T TWIST MY FACTS. I said it was 5 vs 4. And this only proves more that Mattchew wagon was getting steam. It was 6-0 first and then it went 5-4 within 5 minutes. So JAT? Why so scummy? And everybody knows LA and Syllo are town. Grtz on noticing that bro. Ok, you are right I have to admit. Still doesn't make me scum at all. Mattchew already lost all steam when I voted Palmar. I could have savely voted him if we were both scum. You asked for my townreads - I answered. Now you complain. Great. It's the fact that you didn't push Mattchew when he was hot, it was your only read in this game. Why are you not happy to participate? A guy you didn't like was on the chopping block. You wanted off Cephiro. Why not take action into own hands? Why so passive? Why so scummy? It was not my only read in this game. On the chopping block were 2 guys I both didn't like and I decided to go with the one people I trusted wanted to kill. Is this that hard to understand? Yes, I understand that. And that is why it makes you scum. You aren't doing shit this game, you didn't give 1 reason in 47 hours why Cephiro was scum. You just sheeped thread sentiment. Then when You want to go off Cephiro you have Palmar, somebody you didn't say shit about the entire game, and you have Mattchew which seemingly you had in your vision because you gave 2 reasons why you didn't like him. But what do you do? You wait another 5 mins passivily and then say: "Ok I am voting Palmar because I am just following thread sentiment again' You are doing nothing JAT. Pick it up. I am pretty sure you will be alive day 2. I am more interested in Mattchew, Mocsta and Cephiro anyway.
Koshi's reasoning for accusing JAT seems very similar to my reasoning for voting Skanjab1s. Just switch inaction for random switch. I'm not saying Skanjab1s necessarily has to be scum right now; Just posting my thoughts while diving filters. Conclusions should come later.
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On October 20 2013 08:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 08:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 20 2013 08:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 20 2013 08:28 justanothertownie wrote:
I have no idea why anyone would want to sheep BH. Seriously... Well we should ask Pandain why he always kill........WAIT A SECOND. PANDAIN WAS SCUM AND BH IS ALIVE. BH is going to be scum ]: This. Look at BH's filter, 3 pages and it's all useless spam shit. What is more curious is how mocsta could have an entire read on Zaragon/BH and he can see BH doing this trolly shit but he doesn't even mention that shit in his last case post on mattchew???? Yeah bussing gets difficult when only 3 scummers remain D:. Hey I can totally sheep you today as well. I loved your play D1. Keep it up!
why is there a sad face lol.
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On October 20 2013 22:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 22:04 syllogism wrote:
Do what? Check Onegu's meta? Well look at what he is doing with it: nothing. He looks it up, concludes that ET is wrong and then decides Onegu is still a good lynch. Why even bother checking if that is going to be your conclusion either way? Yeah but if ET is your scumbuddy would you do it like this? Trash the case but still vote with him? Why destroy the case? Feels like he disagreed with the case but also found Onegu scummy/ worth pressuring. There is no further interaction with ET. Not a single remark that ET is scummy for being wrong. Wouldnt you do that if you knew ET was scum with you? Covering your bases.
I actually kind of like this post.
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On October 21 2013 22:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Btw i thought JAT was scum on D1. I do not think so any more and we should not lynch him in any case.
-rayn
Was there anything different between your reasoning for JAT being scum and Koshi's reasoning. (he didn't move his vote on to Mattchew even though he was suspicious of him earlier)
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I haven't dived into Hopeless' filter yet and I am starting to consider the possibility that the hosts gave scum a role that would ordinarily be perceived as pro-town, but voting him solely for using his power on JAT is silly. He said he had to use each power once before he is able to use one twice.
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On October 29 2013 08:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 08:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I haven't dived into Hopeless' filter yet and I am starting to consider the possibility that the hosts gave scum a role that would ordinarily be perceived as pro-town, but voting him solely for using his power on JAT is silly. He said he had to use each power once before he is able to use one twice. It is nothing to do with the role use on jat. Even now he is claiming that because all his potions are used he becomes confirmed town. We already had a role similar to that with storrzerg, an absolutely awesome role. I assume you read nothing I wrote on hopeless during the night. Is this true?
I don't recall anything too interesting; I'm pretty sure that was Rayn's reasoning.
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