On October 17 2013 15:13 Holyflare wrote:
What I really actually want to know Pandain is why the summary but leave out the entire starting argument? What did you glean from Skanjab1s replies to Toads pressure. Deflecting?

On October 18 2013 05:09 Pandain wrote:
The people who contributed greatly earlier on in the thread were:

Hopeless
Last Argument
Skanjabs
Yamato

I have town reads on all of these people and others, upon analyzing them, should confirm/deny this from their own perspective.

I also would like it if someone took the time to summarize their House QT for the thread.

On October 17 2013 07:17 Zaragon wrote:
Guess we'll let the Houses trickle out to fuel discussion. There is the off-chance that scum has no one in two whole Houses, too. After my last game, I'm going to be more careful about dismissing something very unlikely prematurely.

I realized something is going to be very confusing: bits of rayn's scum play looks similar to Koshi's town, and their hydra is not particularly stating who is talking (unless I missed them setting up times or something in the pregame). For an early read, them using that ambiguity I'll put down as leaning slightly scum.

skanjab1s is just odd so far, somewhat scummy and/or new; any meta on him?

Hmm

syllogism

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November 01 2013 08:32 GMT

#5567

Skanjab would you like to explain why you were against squibbing HF on the basis that squibbing him wouldn't "lower mafia KP" even though you clearly must understand that mafia has factional KP and it was extremely unlikely that they had additional roles with KP, considering they had lost 2 on N1 and there had been deathless night at the time of your assertion?

syllogism

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November 01 2013 09:18 GMT

#5571

On November 01 2013 18:15 Skanjab1s wrote:

Show nested quote +

Are you serious?

I was against squibbing him because it would be a waste of a squib.
His power is a secret vote, which he would be forced to use in town's favour.
Because KP is factional, the squib will not block it,
It is therefore much more useful to use it on absolutely anybody else that I think could be mafia. (And y'know, that's exactly what happened, I used it on mafia with a power).

This isn't how Mocsta explained your position and there was no way of knowing that the vote was his only power. Also you can't force a vote to be used in town's favour in lylo.

syllogism

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November 01 2013 09:25 GMT

#5573

Why is that highly unlikely when we have tons of people with multiple powers?

Anyway, this is all quite pointless as essentially the only people in the game that could be the framer are you, grack and onegu and there is no way lynching those two before you can be justified, in particular when there is no need to go through that effort as mafia can not win.

syllogism

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November 01 2013 09:41 GMT

#5575

I don't have to and will not have this conversation with you - this is the last time I address you directly in the game.

The way you could have actually demonstrated your alignment would have been by putting in even nominal effort since day 1, which you did not. You could have chosen to cooperate with town by claiming and subjecting yourself to squibbing, which you did not. This is especially baffling because at one point you seemed to be advocating a mass claim. If you are town, you are the most anti-town townie in the game after Cephiro, but at least Cephiro put in a lot of effort in the end.

Feel free to make a case against Onegu or Grack or whoever. Be sure to explain why HF was trying to tie Onegu with BH and trying to get Onegu lynched first, even though he was essentially treating BH as confirmed mafia. Why not push you instead? HF was not in any danger of being lynched at the time. Where did the KP go on the night when Onegu claimed a hit? Was BH sent to perform the kill twice, even though no one was clearly going to RB Onegu and probably not HF?

syllogism

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November 01 2013 09:41 GMT

#5576

In addition, you have the same extremely hostile attitude as HF had.

syllogism

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November 01 2013 09:53 GMT

#5578

So Rayn is a framer who gives candy and instead of framing on n1, he gave you candy and attempted to use it to gain information about your role, or what?

syllogism

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November 01 2013 09:56 GMT

#5580

Alright, makes perfect sense, carry on

syllogism

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November 01 2013 10:23 GMT

#5590

On November 01 2013 19:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually Rayn only gave out 1 candy to anyone but himself (me) and it was a RB/KP. That was on night 2. Mattchew checked Huffle n1 and Gryffindor n2. Rayn is in gryffindor. I don't see how his power prevents him from being scum...

Why would he give that candy to someone he knows is vanilla instead of framing on n2? They knew at the time that there is a cop. It particularly doesn't make sense after they had lost their 0.5 kp roles.

syllogism

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November 01 2013 10:24 GMT

#5591

But yes, if Skanjab does not flip the final mafia, Rayn should definitely give candy to someone tonight

syllogism

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November 01 2013 10:45 GMT

#5597

It's there to give them a chance against Sn0's power too

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