EPTHogwarts Mafia - Page 17
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
| ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I'm reminded of why I thought holy was town. Quintessential town play. He's off my list. Anyone in doubt reread his interactions with pandain. Zaragon looks terrible as I thought originally. Hopeless1der is really bad. His posts do not fit into what is happening in the thread and he's poking people trying to get them to do the legwork for him. He also has a habit of telling ppl they are town to get them to drop pressure. Grack and skanjab and koshi all read as having fun. Very jovial. Typically town. What's inetersting is yamato stating that tunkeg and onegu have yet to post in the qt. Tunkeg posted in the thread already. Basically I'm definitely down with hopeless and bh. Onegu is 3rd by process of elimination. | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
No escape from that | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
| ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
If onegu thinks hf is scum. Build a case. Don't appeal to me. | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 18 2013 06:49 justanothertownie wrote: What I am/was thinking when I last read is probably not up to date right now. I know I did not like Hopeless that much for several small reasons (defending gracks unwillingness to create a pickup line - which to me is perfectly fine by grack as he stated it - by jumping to conclusions about his motivation, telling skanjab to take a break when he got more invested - how can you read people if you tell them to retreat and carefully think about what they are saying?, a badly/weak reasoned townread on Mocsta) and I did like LAs reasoning. I did not like the strong townread the hydra was offering Pandain in our qt too. I won't research about this in detail right now because it only takes away time I could use reading the thread but that's what stood out the most to me. No really strong reads though. JATCan you please outline how/what the hydra went about pushing a pandain town read? | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 28 2013 15:01 syllogism wrote: If Onegu's claim is fake, he had been preparing it at least since early day 3. He said that he had an ability he could use once or more precisely an ability he could only use once without hurting himself. No framer would mean that there is no mafia left in Slytherin. I'm not willing to accept this and I think we should ignore the checks completely. If mafia framer doesn't have anything better to do with his abilities, framing Ravenclaw on n3 made perfect sense even without them knowing there was still a potential cop alive. Im undecided on where Onegu fits. Like I said before, in PM land he can come out as incredibly townie - so I can see why you would think he is town. I am not a fan of how HolyFlare has tried to discredit that, nor how he has insinuated ET made an intentionally bad case (which I disagree with). Re-reading up to 3/4 of Day1. I am certain Hopeless1der is scum. His posting comes at opportunistic intervals, He gives out too many town reads, when he is under the gun, His pushing of policy lynch Pandain stepping out to protect Hopeless1der without pushing another person Pandain stating that Hopeless1der was a top early contributor - which Toad instantly disagreed with Past 3/4 day1 (from memory) Has blended in the thread, i can't recall him pushing anything His abilities are not alignment indicative His use of potion on me is terrible; as is his explanation. (My abilities are bad for him).. why does this matter if he is town, and I am town? Hopeless1der needs to be lynched. | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 28 2013 15:15 syllogism wrote: Who did Slytherin use the polyjuice on? I beleive we debated HolyFlare. Not sure if it went through, Sn0 will have to confirm. | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 28 2013 15:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I can answer that Mocsta. Here's what my (our) read on Pandain has evolved. Start of D1 - QT opens. Pandain makes an opening post in thread and is really active in QT, i give him a townread for that (because he is not rational as scum - or his disguise falls apart at some point). Nothing to change my mind at the first 3/4 of D1 (as Pandain is reasonable with his suspicion on Ceph, and i agree with him). Then i go off for the rest of D1, Palmar gets lynched. I look at Pandain's posts on D1 end and on N1. Then i post this: "Pandain wtf is wrong with you? " "Also Pandain, you have gone into your scum!mode of making zero sense pushing bad lynches and having bad thoughts that make no sense. Plz if you are town step up your game and do not overthink stuff." This is based on late D1 and N1 when Pandain, for no apparent reason, completely changes his read on Cephiro (Cephiro actually WAS playing to his scum meta - it's fucking obvious if you looked at Aperture and Noir). I assume this is related to the question I asked JAT? If so, this doesn't answer the question.... | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 28 2013 15:24 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Okay Mocsta then i do not understand the question.. :/ Well it may have answered the question, but I need JAT to confirm. Your response detailed posts past-Day1, which extends beyond the info JAT had when making that post. It is possible JAT is referring to you calling Pandain town for his opener. But only he can confirm. | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 28 2013 15:26 Onegu wrote: Mocsta if HF is town why did he claim his vot was public then backpeddle to say it was secret? I don't think this is conclusive (from memory, unfortuantely you did not post quotes so memory is all i have to go on). People could (& did) say I was scummy for backpedaling about my powers. (1) I was uncomfortable when Syllo was asking me about it, because I didn't want to give it away (mainly because I thought theyw ere powerful) ---> I suppose this can not apply to HolyFlare (2) Its possible he had a lapse of memory --> which I did as well. Or whatever; Holyflare could be scum, but i much prefer a lynch on Hopeless1der. This also means that if HF is scum, hes a GF (or scum knew about the check and framed HF) | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Exhibit A: On October 17 2013 20:07 EchelonTee wrote: It's nearing 4 and I have a full day of classes/work tomorrow. I will be back ~2 hours before the deadline but will likely not have the time to do the appropriate amount of scumhunting. There hasn't been significant development of scum targets, which is a serious problem. People I have issues with: + Show Spoiler + Onegu On October 17 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote: Sorry really busy yesterday I am catching up now. This first post is quite small and easy to skip over, but it reeks of an apologetic nature. Compare it with the first few posts in this thread; random roleplaying, questioning, and sturdy statements. I'm not sure if Onegu is new or vet but this post is a classic "I'm scum, don't really know what to say hope the thread doesn't notice me" post. On October 17 2013 18:20 Onegu wrote: + Show Spoiler + Sorry I am still catching up and when I see something to point out I will do so. I agree with the first part, since it is impossible to know the scum distribution then it is alao possible that scum do not know the members of each house. For this reason I think it is a bad idea to post house lists, moreso in this game than in GoT since it is a qt and not just pms. I am not caught up and the house lists might already be out, and if they are look at the people who gave out house lists first, in GoT the first person who just gave out house lists while argueing for doing so was scum. The second part being lazy isnt much of a scum tell imo. Again with the sorry. Implies that list poster = scum; this looks like a weak push attempt. On October 17 2013 19:17 Onegu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + The hydra really needs to say who is actually writeing, I am very confident in my ability to read koshi as I have pegged him in every game we have played, but I dont read rayne well. I also dont have a problem with people not wanting to win the contest. I dont think it is scummy just anti town. I am going to reread some people after dinner. This post is parroting ideas already stated; that the hydra needs to state who is posting. parroting = bad raynpelikonoshi On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Skanjab1s "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" His first accusation has very weak basis. skanjab was clearly roleplaying and rayne+kosh use that as a reason for scum? And next he uses skanjab's inability to read the OP as a reason for scumminess. In fact, I would argue scum is much more likely to closely read the OP to not make mistakes like that, as they have a more involved role within the game. I find people make arguements of "oh, this person is trying to fake noob towniesness!" when in fact there are just a lot of noob townies around. He doesn't develop the argumenet further from this, just lets the vote lie. I'm tired as hell and have to sleep will try and post more tomorrow. ET tries to come in aggressively and steer the lynch. Exhibit B: On October 18 2013 08:16 Holyflare wrote: Here, HF tries a similar tact.People seem to be flailing like fish right now. I do not know why. People are defending "slow" players too like it's their god given right to stay in the game. This IMO is utter shit play. You can sit on reads like Palmar to day 3 only to find out he was actually scum all you want, but I will not do it. It does not prove he is town to me and if he continues playing like that during day 1 my vote could most definitely end up on him. Meta works, to an extent, but slow play meta is something I despise. That being said I want to steer this town in the correct direction so some of you people can actually pull your fingers out of your arses and we can win the game. SO; Palmar + Show Spoiler + This guy..... Yeh, great, he's a veteran. He is also in my house QT. Does that excuse him from playing the same game as we are playing? No. On October 17 2013 23:27 Palmar wrote: @Mocsta: Why did you claim the self-aware miller? What's the point? What did you hope to achieve? This is literally the only question he asks in the entire thread so far, it's been a while too. Sure, Mocsta hasn't replied yet, so you'd think he'd be doing something more productive at this point. How can it be possible for us to determine what role he is if he doesn't say a thing in the entire thread other than he's waiting for mocsta. Furthermore, + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 05:43 Palmar wrote: Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him. Mocsta has posted much more then a self-aware miller claim. Surely it would be nice to hear about that too? Or anyone else? I am most comfortable lynching him today. Call it policy, call it scummy behaviour, call it what you will. This is a game where you contribute so that we can determine who you are. Riding through days does not do this. Stutters695 + Show Spoiler + Did not honestly realise this guy was in the game until I re-checked the thread. What can I say? 4 total posts in the entire game so far and the only one that really counts is: On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote: Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town. I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine. This defence on Palmer who has literally done nothing in the entire game so far other than question Mocsta on a miller claim is a bit odd to say the least. Why would you specifically mention Palmer over everyone else in the game so far? There are a LOT of pages to go by but he only mentions a bit of meta from another game. It's ok though, he justifies things: On October 18 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote: As far as I remember I've never seen him roll scum/read a game where he is, but I would expect more out of him in line with emulating his usual play. If he was lazy in his last scum game I'm probably off on this, but off of memory he spent most of d1 in that game I'm talking about just crying for a policy lynch on whoever claimed. Basically I don't have faith he'll flip scum based off of this, but I'll follow up on it next time I get to a pc to browse older games. He's never seen a Palmer scum game, he's basing meta off one town game when he has no idea how he'd react as another faction. This seems overly defensive, it looks like he knows his alignment. Either way, he's not talking about other things, he's not active. Comfortable with this lynch too. Sn0_Man + Show Spoiler + Yes, storrzerg makes sense, even if he is looking tunnely in the thread. In the QT at least it's a bit of a different story. This was storr's case The only thing I add to it that was criticised by Ceph is evidence. This is his desert mini mafia filter he was town in this game and at least posted quite a lot. His posts were informative and had elements of scum hunting. Definitely different from this game due to activity, even his first few posts aren't really the same. There are a lot of people in this game, a lot of filters to dive through. I've been reading and re-reading but there is nothing blatantly scummy that I can wholeheartedly see yet. There are one or two suspicions I have that I want to see played out and I will be pressing some people over things later, but for now one of these 3 I will be comfortable lynching. Stutters, I will give the benefit of the doubt to as he said he will be reaching a PC. Sn0 or Palmar are therefore my choices. I want to hear their responses before I confirm my vote direction though. I think the contrast is quite marked. Whilst the 3 reads are clearly wrong in hindsight (I know at the time in Day1 I agreed with him), they make logical sense from the perspective of a town tunneled on Palmar. Even if fake, there is a higher level of explanation/conviction than with the ET cases. Maybe ET was rusty, and HF can bullshit; but I dont think that difference is enough to cover the gap in conviction between the two exhibits. Your thoughts? | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Not sure how much credit to give to tunneling there. hmmmmm | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Need to drop this shit on Hopeless1der or BH, like NAIO! | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 18 2013 11:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Sno, why is ET town? -rayn JAT Another one for you. According to the timestamps, do you know if Rayn voiced concerns about ET in the QT? | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote: How can HolyFlare come in and say ET softly pushed Onegu.+ Show Spoiler + Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. On October 18 2013 01:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Oh i forgot something. EchelonTree - Why makes you say this game is heavily roled? Much scum roles you guys got? -rayn This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe. Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu This reads as a forceful follow-through.I think ET sniffed lynchbait and went for it. He is old school, and I see no reason for him filter-diving Onegu before releasing the case. I still thought it was odd that Holyflare defended Onegu originally by saying he went through like 6 to 8 games of filter and confirm he always says "sorry" | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 18 2013 11:41 Holyflare wrote: @ET: Your case relied upon him apologising a lot, however, all you have to do is check the TL mafia database and look at his previous games. I have checked almost all of them and then did a ctrl+f search for "sorry", it appears in EVERY game many times. So I do not think it is alignment indicative for Onegu, especially to base a whole case off of. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] + Newbie Mini Mafia XLII Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII Mafia Tracker Lynched Day 3 Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 3 Nuclear Winter Mafia Town Immune One Endgamed Day 5 A Bluelightz Mafia The Attack Mafia Vigilante Survived Day 4 GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 Desert Mini Mafia Mafia Conditional Vigilante Survived Night 5 Persona 4 Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 Town Dog Killed Night 3 However, since that case, Onegu has indeed not posted much and so I'll probably add him to my Palmar/Stutters/Sn0 lynchables for now. What I do actually want to point out though is: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote: Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe. Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu Nice scum/town slip. I still don't get this post. He gives evidence for Onegu being town; and then waffles into adding him into the lurker pile worthy of a vote? Then adds the slip on ET in a spoiler; as if he wants evidence he called out ET, but doesnt want to publicise it enough to get ET lynched? This makes Rayn look WAY better than Holyflare alone based on how both handled the slip situation. As Rayn calls it out directly (asked why ET would claim blue & why ET seems angry) Whereas, Holyflare hides it behind spoilers. | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 19 2013 04:07 syllogism wrote: This doesn't look like resistance at all, mafia doesnt do that 1 hour before the lynch when there is essentially only one wagon On October 19 2013 04:09 Holyflare wrote: Yet your vote is still on him. On October 19 2013 04:11 justanothertownie wrote: Do you think scum would try to save him now? On October 19 2013 04:11 Holyflare wrote: Good scum probably would. On October 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote: HolyFlare is lobbying a little too hard for this mislynch with this quote.It would be pretty bold because they would need to pull a miracle defense and if it fails they would look really really bad. You could argue there should have been someone defending him way earlier though. In the scenario where he is tunneled enough to truly think this; I would expect justification. As per JAT description, which is on the money. | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 28 2013 17:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Actually why is syllo not in HF's "slow meta is shit should be lynched" list? Syllo already raised this, when Holy made that post originally. | ||
|
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 19 2013 04:24 Holyflare wrote: I must say, this post to LoneMeow feels genuine.I don't like things like this: What about the other people with similar circumstances, stutters, sn0, onegu, BH etc etc. Why specifically palmar? Is it because he has votes on him already and was an easy place to put your vote that wasn't on a wagon? People have expressed this attitude is also town Palmar. If Cephiro's frustration is a town read to you then you should be aggressively pushing a lynch onto someone else because we are about to lynch a towny? His posts as just linked by Mocsta illustrate that they are the exact same as a scum game of his, what does that imply to you? The same questions go to: Palmar (4) : Pandain, Grackeroni, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow all of these people too. i.e. it doesnt feel like scum coaching scum. Thoughts? | ||
| ||
(in mafia game not irl)
