EPTI'm actually not enjoying this game at all.
Cephiro is lots of failed promises so lets keep the lynch there. Reevaluate the rest once the modkills flip.
24hrs of boredom now
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I'm actually not enjoying this game at all. Cephiro is lots of failed promises so lets keep the lynch there. Reevaluate the rest once the modkills flip. 24hrs of boredom now | ||
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Heck. He even asked to be shot. | ||
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Anyhoo Maybe when the asshole is lynched this game will become enjoyable and I can be bothered to filter read. Like the content between Grack and rayn before is probably contentful. I just can't push myself beyond a skim... Sigh. | ||
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Matt is town And Storr is scum.. but whatevs. 24hrs to go. If both are town. Grack still looks better than holy without a reread. We will see I spose. | ||
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No one has cc'd jat so he is confirmed. Hmmm only thing going for onegu is that et pushed him. I'm going to have to review this.. onegu was scum in the desert game with marv right?? The et/onegu thong could be lime stutters pushing kush in noir. Real case cos it was real. I give that a quick read. Maybe onegu is the best lynch for today. | ||
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Auto-Correct I suppose. I'm going to read his filter. Seriously, whats with this game and delurks when called out. Today, Chairman + Onegu only open mouth cos they have been called out. sigh | ||
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Onegu isn't scum [Desert Mini - Mafia]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=Onegu&view=all This filter reads as quite distant and removed - whilst lurking. [Hogwarts - ?Town?]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Onegu&view=all Still lurking, but is just more direct and expansive in thought. | ||
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I know Cephiro for late Day1 was flavour du jour; however, considering ETs stance towards Pandain, to me at least, it suggests ET is one who does not like to bus Day1. For someone against bussing, he seems to be throwing a fair bit into Cephiro? On October 17 2013 20:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Cephiro said the chance that he skimmed the thread but nothing too bad happened, that there is a 91% chance that 6 scummers are in 2 houses or less (I guess he means 9%), and that keeping things in QT only is beneficial for mafia for that reason. On October 17 2013 20:17 EchelonTee wrote: isn't Cephiro a strong town player? no posts in thread yet posts in QT? ??? The insertion of "town" reads as a dangling carrot to cast doubt. The end part of ET filter is joining the Cephiro wagon. I still expect Cephiro to flip scum.. just that it will be 3rd party, definitely not mafia. | ||
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On October 17 2013 15:35 Pandain wrote: I also don't get this.The problem with lurkers is even if they have a good reason to lurk more often then not town players try to overcome their being disadvantaged from lurking while scum players will embrace it and act dumb. I have played for instance with the two players in my house Cephiro and Stutters and they both purposely lurked in Noir. The fact they could be asleep is also offset by the fact that Cephiro recently made a long post that clearly showed thought yet put off contributing in thread. Cephiro would you like to explain that? I have a town read on Grack because he is embracing his role but is still making some good points, but he is making a really weird point about not contributing which is really nonsensical to me. There could be a scum motivation to it, such as if his house is only him and therefore he doesn't want to help contribute, or there is the more likely instance that he simply hasn't thought it through. I want to eliminate the possibilities. Skanjab I have a town read on and I don't have a good read on Toad yet. Was your intent with this post to pressure me or are you serious; you've been looking for flaws where there really aren't any and it's contradicting with what I think you would be doing in looking for actually suspicious people. You don't think StorrZerg, being an esports mafia veteran taking a back seat in his first game of forum mafia is suspicious? You are putting assumptions about what I'm doing without any real logic, and I don't see any town reason. If you say this, is any response really going to help you? You say I left so much out, do you really expect me to put everything? You set higher standards for me then what is expected and I am interested in why. Firstly, Pandain gives out a town read to Grack for roleplaying early on (several times). And then gives Skanjab a town read with no foundation. Note, ETs position on Skanjab: On October 17 2013 20:07 EchelonTee wrote: raynpelikonoshi His first accusation has very weak basis. skanjab was clearly roleplaying and rayne+kosh use that as a reason for scum? And next he uses skanjab's inability to read the OP as a reason for scumminess. In fact, I would argue scum is much more likely to closely read the OP to not make mistakes like that, as they have a more involved role within the game. I find people make arguements of "oh, this person is trying to fake noob towniesness!" when in fact there are just a lot of noob townies around. He doesn't develop the argumenet further from this, just lets the vote lie. I'm tired as hell and have to sleep will try and post more tomorrow. I find it odd that pandain does not state Skanjab is town for roleplaying; otherwise, given Skanjabs sketchy start, its hard to comprehend where such a hard read comes from. This is exacerbated by ET stating that Skanjab was "clearly roleplaying" and then makes a counter-case on Koshi - which is a problem because at no point does he indicate a read on Skanjab. i.e. Without indicating that Skanjab is a town read; ET actions come across as a chainsaw defense of Skanjab. Lastly, I still haven't read Holyflare filter, but his interactions with Pandain above read pretty genuine to me. As in, Pandain is trying to dodge him as much as possible in an authentic manner. Assuming Storr + Matt are town; I prefer Hopeless1der as scum > Holyflare just based on that interaction. I dont think the potion is that big a deal; as it could be a way for mafia to have a medic save (to block the Palmar dayvig) etc. | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote: Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that. Pandain already had a vote on Mattchew and set himself up to vote Cephiro. What is the motivation for pandain to 'cockblock' LastArgument regarding Hopeless1der? If Hopeless1der is town, he is preventing an easy mislynch for a valid argument. It does not make any sense for this action to occur. Further, I wrote cockblock instead of criticise, as Pandain phrases his counter-argument in a way that does not actually promote further discussion. i.e. his statements thought questions, are phrased rhetorically. Lastly, Pandain chooses to interject at a pivotal time, yet, does not actually state what his read on Hopeless1der is. He is merely being an "observer providing commentary" - again, why do this to prevent a mislynch? What does make sense is if Pandain was defending Hopeless1der. | ||
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On October 24 2013 16:32 syllogism wrote: Mafia would have given the potion away on n1. When I received potion, I also got a PM telling exactly what it does. He can next give the "if target dies they live another 24 hours" potion. These potions make absolutely no sense for mafia, especially considering the person who gets the potion is told what they do. Yeah, i forgot about that.. In fairness: We don't know for certain that "resurrection' potion exists. - I see your point of view though. | ||
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Just read chair filter. He's scum.. first two posts are so scummy. Ceph than chair. That's what 72hrs... No wonder I'm over this. | ||
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damn cephrio is desperate now.jumping from person to person. riddle me this. why is chairman ray last on your lynch list cephiro. | ||
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I'm expecting red flip now too. will be nice to know what the deathlynhallows is too with the role reveal | ||
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Ceph then cr then one of holy / grack | ||
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This is the last I will say on Cephiro: It's a shame he tried to make the game way too complex, because, his reveal post was very authentic. Even so, he had to be voted. Was simply too secretive, dangling-carrot-ish. Gotta move on. I agree with Syllo, I'm very surprised that Cedric was a JOAT. I don't hold it against him for suggesting I am scum, because, our world just got flipped upside down. As I said before: The invulnerability potion is alignment null (its JUST as useful for scum in a game with lots of KP at the start). Thus, Hopeless1der JOAT claim makes him the theoretical counter-part to Storrzerg. Couple things: (1) I find it impossible to accept that scum vigged lonemeow (I have seen vivax do this before but its just so unlikely). (2) Just because Cephiro was town, does not make his reads right (I agere with Skanjab + Holyflare) but I would swap Onegu for Chariman_Ray. Chairman_Ray Last night, chariman made an odd post: On October 25 2013 03:18 Chairman Ray wrote: Town sometimes will ask to be green checked; but typically the scenario will be that they are under heavy suspicion and want to abate the mislynch threat.I'm not actually scum. I just think that if it gets down to lylo, then I'll be a liability since I'm basically a blank puzzle piece at endgame. I can't really do a lot of scumhunting, and there's little information everyone else knows about me. So it's better I flip early than later. If someone still has alignment checking powers, that would also be useful just to get me confirmed as town. In this situation: Chairman is not under heavy suspicion (by vote) and we are at a stage where a check would still be more useful to obtain a red-check then reduce the probabilities via green-check. Further, the phrasing that he uses it odd - it conveys an arrogant tone, as opposed to confidence. i.e. I am very sure that Chairman is a godfather. Which is why he is begging to be checked. Here are some interesting posts from Chairman On October 24 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote: Chairman... If u r up to date from joining to now What is your position on cephiro On October 24 2013 11:03 Chairman Ray wrote: Look at this waffle. I asked him for a position, and he still can not commit.Reading through his filter, he doesn't seem all that scummy to me tbh. That's why I didn't vote him yesterday. But what really strikes me is that there has to be a scum among Ceph, raynko, and JAT. IMO, ceph is probably a bit more scummy than the other two. Do we have enough town alive to plow through both huffle and griff? Either you think Cephiro is scum due to the check; or you think he is town and the check is INVALID. From reading rayn's filter, he's very adamant on lynching within griff to get the scum. He doesn't seem to have a strong preference on which person to lynch first. If he's town, he might just not have a solid read on one over the other and to him, 50% mafia lynch chance in the first lynch, and 100% on the second one is an attractive option. However if he's mafia, the check basically makes his days numbered. He says Cephiro is the scummiest of the 3 in the house, yet now is setting himself up to vote Rayn.... Once JAT and ceph flip town, then rayn is confirmed scum. So in this instance, he either has two options, and they are to avoid griff kills as a whole, or convince people to kill within griff so he dies last. So if raynko is scum, he's doing the latter. Overall, this doesn't tell us anything about raynko's alignment, but if we're plowing through griff looking for the one scum, I would want it to be in the order of ceph -> rayn -> jat, or jat -> rayn -> ceph. Here is cruxOnce JAT and ceph flip townWTF !?!?!?!?!?! He was just saying Cephiro was the most likely to flip scum; and now has a confidence that Ceph will flip town; and in addition to this, CR wants JAT lynched before Rayn when in the previous paragraph he explained how Rayn could be scum. Now, in the quote above, he explained how he didnt think Cephiro was scummy, so didnt vote him. Here is that post: On October 22 2013 04:19 Chairman Ray wrote: This is skewing what occured. Cephiro became active because he *had* to defend him. - Agreed, it is alignment null.Just read through Cephiro's filters. Big thing I notice is that he didn't post much, until after he started getting voted on heavily on day 2, then he went super active. This isn't much of an indicator of alignment though. Something does strike a bit odd though. I would expect that if a player is active, but not posting, then he's probably using all his time analyzing the thread. After Cephiro became active, most of his contributions have been for self defense, or to lynch into Hufflepuff. Nothing really indicates that he's been silently scumhunting. This may be behavior of scum trying to hide under the radar when someone else is a better target. Lynching into hufflepuff is a misrepresentation. He followed the next wagon: Palmar (who coincidentally was in hufflepuff) All up, gives a nullish read. However one good thing about Cephiro is that he stayed adamant on lynching Hufflepuff, even when he had the highest votes, and the next best lynch was myself who just replaced in. How is this a good point? Palmar was scum....Given that he didn't jump onto an easy lynch train for self-preservation, I think that his case for lynching into hufflepuff has some legitimacy. IMO, I don't think Cephiro is a good lynch for today This is a very poor reason to say "one good thing about Cephiro" and then in a future post; and essentially is just more waffle on a key item of discussion in the game.I will be reading into Hufflepuff filters next. And after all these promises of lynching into Hufflepuff. Who does CR vote? On October 22 2013 04:27 Chairman Ray wrote: If we're going to be lynching a lurker today, I think he's the best target IMO. I would be willing to vote stutters, but not Cephiro. ##unvote ##vote: stutters695 LYNCH WITH FIRE | ||
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filter I searched his filter for cases and Skanjab effectively has 1 case (on Yamato day 1). Later on, he swaps to Sn0 with some reasoning, but it is far from a case. Thats pretty much all he has done. On October 17 2013 21:48 Skanjab1s wrote: I thought this was a good case Day1 (maybe i was biased, because I asked him for thoughts on Yamato in the QT which led to this case I 'spose).+ Show Spoiler [yamato case] + In the QT, I was asked about my thoughts on yamato, these are them: I think he is scum, I dislike a lot of his posts: (1) He has been making a habit of lightly FoSing a bunch of people, but then not following up. Which feels to me like he is fishing for someone to latch on to, and waiting for town's consent before being willing to proceed. Examples: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote: Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is. On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote: that if it was Rayn I would lynch him on the spot? + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 15:57 yamato77 wrote: I will say about Matt, it seems odd to me that he instantly seems to trust me this game when I believe he thought I was mafia last game on D1 for absolutely no reason. I expect town Matt to be very suspicious of other people; it seems out of place for him to have such friendly interaction with me. All of these show yamato lightly FoSing people, and then failing to mention/pursue them again. (2) Here is another example that would fit in #1, but I feel it deserves a special mention because it shows yamato's inconsistency in his scum choices. On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote: zzzzzzzzzz Moc your opening posts always reek of scum He mentions Moc's post as "reeking of scum" but refuses to state what was scummy about the post. He futhermore, does not further pressure Moc, and instead, a short while later, defends Moc for the exact same post that he just said "reeks of scum": On October 17 2013 10:41 yamato77 wrote: this is true, but town in GoT were the idiots who came up with the secrecy idea in the first place, so this doesn't mean Moc is mafia unless he's playing intentionally stupid (3) After some game mechanics talk, we arrive at his OMGUS vote on VA. After VA casted "Expelliarmus" on him, he cast a vote onto VA with the reasoning "I'm sick of you". If we just ignore the OMGUS, this is still very poor reasoning for a vote, especially considering the amount of FoS's he has made with actual points. There is no reason given as to why he might think VA is scum whatsoever. Just after this post, he FoS'd Koshi/rayn again with this: On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote: Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is. But still does not vote for him, nor attempt to further push him, preferring instead to keep his vote on VA. To sum up this last point: This vote on VA feels to me like a reactionary vote in fear of VA's cast ability. It is further scummy when read in comparison to the other people he has FoS'd with actual reasoning that he neglects. ##vote: yamato On October 19 2013 00:15 Skanjab1s wrote: This is terrible. He drops the well-detailed yamato case for this crap; where is jsut nitpicking bad play as opposed to scummy play. He doesn't detail why this is scum mindset either.##Vote: sn0_Man + Show Spoiler [Sn0 reasoning] + Leans scum on palmar, says that he "could lynch him". Later backs down on this, and now in the QT says that he wants to sheep palmar's policy lynch on Mocsta and that even though he dislikes plynches, sheeping palmar's seems reasonable. A plynch that is agreed by the majority to be the correct play. I find it scummy that he would sheep his former scumread onto a policy lynch when he admits that he usually dislikes policylynches, and especially such a bad policy lynch.. On October 18 2013 14:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Not "hard" townreads. More like, No interest in lynching, and i'm lending value to what they say simply because all of them have well thought out posts. I'm considering them town/pro-town until evidence comes up. I dislike the phrase "until evidence comes up." It gives off a willingness to just sit back and wait for other people to scumhunt instead of showing an initiative to do it himself. He is also totes sheeping onto Cephiro and hasn't given any reasoning at all as to why he thinks Cephiro is scum. On October 21 2013 06:11 Hopeless1der wrote: I want ceph or stutters up for lynch today. Both have made promises of activity that remain unfulfilled. On October 21 2013 06:32 Skanjab1s wrote:What about yamato! Seriously... is this sequence of posts going to actually result in a lynch of the target? Considering the brevity of his former case on yamato; his current actions are not congruent. Reads as distancing to me.On October 23 2013 05:07 Skanjab1s wrote: Again.. why would this receive traction?I was hoping someone would shoot CR. ##Vote Chairman Ray Thoughts on a massclaim in the future? This is all his votes as detailed in the thread. Guy has done nothing all game aside from bussing yamato. And has then never pushed it. Conversely; this makes Grack town for this post: On October 22 2013 11:36 Grackaroni wrote: Unfortunately, at the time; it was written with too much personal opinion as opposed to fact/logic so it did not receive the respect it deserved.Skanjab1s + Show Spoiler + Skanjab1s writes a case on Yamato and pushes him in the thread early day1. Eventually Yamato disappears off his radar. On October 19 2013 00:47 Skanjab1s wrote: Classic "why me?" scum defense. I find yamato's reaction to my case acceptable. His sheeping onto Cephiro is not the most pressing concern to me at the moment. You are much more interesting, baby. When questioned by Sn0 Man, "why'd you drop your longstanding tunnel on him for no reason?" He says that Yamato's reaction to the case was satisfactory meaning he no longer had a scum read on him or wanted to lynch him. Then when Yamato goes MIA in thread for a long time he comes back with, On October 21 2013 02:10 Skanjab1s wrote: I still very much believe that yamato is scum, he didn't refute the points against him at all, he just said "ohthiscaseisshitushit" as a defense. Also it is apparently his scum meta to post less and less as the game goes on, as he has been doing. I am not as confident in my scumread of snoman anymore, I'm null/leaning town on him now. This is completely contradictory to what he said earlier. Also unlike Yamato, Stutters' scum meta isn't to post less and less as the game goes on that's his every game meta, yet his voted ended up on Stutters. On October 22 2013 05:00 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah ill vote for stutters, CRay looks like he will contribute mo' Final reasoning for vote switch is terrible. He had actual reasons to believe Yamato was scummy and they were much better than his reasons to lynch stutters. Skanjab1s didn't even mention Stutters before his last minute switch. Also his reasoning directly contradicts what he said earlier. On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote: Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. he was very confident in Yamato being scum and I don't think he could have been as confident in his read on stutters based on the reasoning he put out. On October 22 2013 06:06 Skanjab1s wrote: In retrospect, the things Stutters was doing were not scummier than what I posted on Yamato, I do not even know why I switched, but alas these are the things that made me think Stutters was scum: > Coming out of nowhere with just "Ceph is not town, because his role". Not offering any further insight into his scum read on Ceph > Says that as town, he doesn't just coast by (which he was doing). Then says that he is an infrequent poster, but as town he makes his thoughts known. As I've just said, he wasn't making his thoughts known at all. > Him telling someone to read the summary of Ceph's actions in the qt, but then someone else pointing out that there was no such summary, made me think that he was just saying it in thread to make it seem as if he was contributing, at least in his QT. Those were the things he posted that gave me scumfeels. Points 1 and 3 are totally invalid. 1) Stutters had a scum read before this post on cephiro and gave reasons besides he's scum because of his role. I would think if Skanjab1s was reading Stutters as scum he would have looked over his filter and realized this. 3) No scum in the history of mafia has lied about having posted something in a QT that he actually didn't and directed somebody to take a look at it in order to "appear contributory". 2) is just weak and I don't see why he would think him doing this is scummier than Yamato doing this. Aside from that Skanjab1s was very confident that Yamato was scum earlier and he was the only one I remember that wrote a case on Yamato. All mafia players have big egos; I think a natural response would be for him to want to have been right about Yamato all along and lynch his original scum read. Beyond all of that other reasoning I don't believe for one second that him showing up in the thread in the last minute was mere happenstance. He wanted Stutters to be lynched but he didn't want to risk losing the town cred from pushing Yamato so he waited it out without posting thoughts in thread that may look bad on him later. I can see the secret vote and him voting doesn't exactly line up but these situations can be very chaotic and scum teams don't have perfect organization. The crux of his case is how skanjab didn't follow through with his case on yamato. The points here re-enforce all the reasons why I think Skanjab is scum distancing yamato/chairman_ray LYNCH WITH FIRE !!! | ||
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Holyflare/Hopeless1der/Onegu/Blazinghand With the cop check on Hufflepuff: I suppose this reduces the potential to {Holyflare, Hopeless1der} Hopeless1der has be useless all game. Its a shame; I would love to attribute his lurking to being demotivated (with 3 scum flips Night 1).. however, then you have people like stutters/onegu. I can't recall a single thing Hopeless1der has done which is a problem. I do remember him asking people to look into Skanjab early Day1, but then never progressing it further. I even called him out on this. However, I can't use this until Skanjab flips - as its an association tell. Holyflare I really liked Day1, and has kept fading and fading. On October 25 2013 03:55 Holyflare wrote: People just assume I haven't been doing anything but I've actually been posting uselful things to determine who is scum, just nobody reads my filter and "assumes" i've done nothing...... I don't like posts like these because.. on one hand, clearly you recognise the need to change your approach if you want your message communicated and implemented - its not up to us to do that change. Thus, this can be taken as whinging to blend in -> i.e. scummy On the other hand, if you are being ignored, I can understand being demotivated to keep trying really hard. So that he keeps coming back is a very good sign. --> i.e. townie I am actually leaning towards the good sign; but need a filter dive to re-affirm how his votes have lined up. Personally, even though there is a house check on Holy/Hope I would rather leave this lynch to last as there is certain scum in Skanjab/Chairman | ||
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