Newbie Mini Mafia XLIX

On October 09 2013 10:03 Balla24 wrote:
yes play bereft hes good but not that good

On October 10 2013 05:08 Bereft wrote:I'd rather have my 5 M&Ms today than a full bag of em tomorrow.

On October 14 2013 13:17 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Oh, to clarify - If lynching an in-active is our only option, I'm not entirely against it.
I merely don't want to waste our votes on someone we can't possibly know anything about (Because they don't post.)
This option only makes any sort of sense closer to the end of day 1.
Right now, as it stands, we have the next 45-46ish hours to gather/draw conclusions from any information presented.

On October 14 2013 14:38 istandwithmitt wrote:
##vote: SagaZ

Lynching lurkers gives us no information for future days & keeps scum from having to lay down a real vote. The way he's trying to guide the town is really scummy too & makes him look town without contributing anything.

Well, see ya

On October 14 2013 15:29 July617 wrote:
You're going to randomly tag someone who could be potential town and marking them as scum?

Doesn't sound like a safe way to play to me .

On October 14 2013 13:17 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Oh, to clarify - If lynching an in-active is our only option, I'm not entirely against it.
I merely don't want to waste our votes on someone we can't possibly know anything about (Because they don't post.)
This option only makes any sort of sense closer to the end of day 1.
Right now, as it stands, we have the next 45-46ish hours to gather/draw conclusions from any information presented.

On October 14 2013 16:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:
How exactly is lynching a afk/lurker at this point better than taking stronger odds chance of a RNG I posted earlier better?
I just don't get it.

On October 14 2013 16:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
There's no way they're both mafia together. It's possible both are town, but if we gain information that one of them is mafia, it would clear the other as town I'd say.

On October 14 2013 16:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I don't think if istandwithmitt was mafia, he would throw his buddy so hard under the bus that hard and that quickly.

On October 14 2013 16:55 OdinOfPergo wrote:


Alright, allow me to clarify in lamest terms for you.

If town lynches a lurker/afk that has not posted at the end of day one.
Odds are, is that SAME person will proceed to afk and NOT VOTE (Which is mandatory I might add.)
Resulting in a mod-kill.
This outcome leads to the ENTIRE TOWN wasting their votes on a lynch that meant LITERALLY NOTHING

Why take these odds when you have much better odds with a rng?
We can alter rng votes according to what players argue.
We can apply pressure to try to flesh of scum on day 1 with these votes.
We can move the town in the right direction with these votes.


Now please answer me;
What the heck do you find scummy about my suggestion?

On October 14 2013 16:57 OdinOfPergo wrote:



I'm just trying to get discussion rolling Monte..

Why are you trying to stop it?

On October 14 2013 17:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:



@PLAYERBOI, I was referring to this comment.

On October 14 2013 17:19 E00e wrote:
Hello everyone, my first post!

I think the discussion about a semi random lynch or an afk lynch was somewhat pointless because the day is still early and we might find something else to lynch on. In the rare (?) case that we dont get any information we can argue about that again.
On that topic I dont think it is reasonable to immediately vote for SagaZ (who suggested afk lynch first) like istandwithmitt did.

I like that GGTeMpLaR started giving thoughts about the players in this game, because ultimately we need to do that to find our lynch target.

Something else we could and maybe should discuss is when the Cop should come out. Should they come out after checking X Mafia or Y Town or when they are about to be lynched, etc...
We dont need to do that on the first day and I dont want to sidetrack the discussion but it is something to keep in mind for the next day or if we run out of things to talk about.

On October 14 2013 17:50 OdinOfPergo wrote:

I am a bit confused by this post.
From what I can get..
"Would I support a RNG if it pointed vs myself?"
Simple answer is no.
This method only for sure works if you roll town.
It works more efficiently the more players you can for sure eliminate from scum.

On October 15 2013 02:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

PB followed with this
The last line irks me about this post.
Suess is right about this.
Why are you jumping on him so hard?
It's plain as day to me he just made a mistake.
You should probably of followed up in a manner such as I just did a paragraph above this one.
This looks pretty bad from other perspectives.
It isn't enough for me to change my read on you yet.
But you'd best explain the reasoning behind this attempt at a bandwagon.
You're trying to flesh people out.
I like that.
But you do actually need to have evidence for your claims.

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 14 2013 16:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I think between SagaZ and istandwithmitt, at most one of them is mafia. SagaZ's first post is somewhat suspicious but istandwithmitt instantly going so hard on him is just as suspicious because it seems like such an easy target at that point.

There's no way they're both mafia together. It's possible both are town, but if we gain information that one of them is mafia, it would clear the other as town I'd say.

On October 15 2013 02:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I'd like to think this is a pro-town post because I agree with your point about the afk-lynch discussion when we've still got like 36 hours left to decide.

I don't know what to make of you siding with istandwithmitt against SagaZ yet as it could mean a lot of different things based on what assumptions I go with. For example:

-If SagaZ is mafia and istandwithmitt is town, you could be bussing your mafia under the table OR you could just be getting a good mafia read like another townie.

-If SagaZ is town and istandwithmitt is mafia, you could be working with your mafia to go for a relatively easy and suspicious first lynch OR you could just be drawing an incorrect mafia read as a well-meaning townie.

And I'm not sure what to make of your last paragraph regarding the cop. According to you, it's too early to discuss lynching afks because we have a lot of time left on Day 1 (which I agree with), but youre willing to go even further and discuss on what circumstances in future days the cop should come out? I'd say it's too early to discuss that as well here, or possibly not even relevant as maybe it's something you should ask your coach.

On October 15 2013 03:18 Seuss wrote:
I think it's fair to assume E00e simply didn't know discussing the cop wasn't useful. When he got pounced on for his poor suggestion no one explained why it was bad. In fact, it wasn't until a few posts ago that the explanation actually came out (i.e. the cop should only announce themselves if they're going to get lynched). Despite the vitriol thrown at him, E00e was polite and tried to kill the flaming. At the moment suspecting him of anything beyond being a newbie is a waste of time.

On October 15 2013 04:35 istandwithmitt wrote:
##vote: playerboy345

This guy is posting nothingness. Trying to get people to make calls while actually providing nothing wrt scumminess of players. You all can bandwagon this vote, no worries.

Well, see ya

On October 15 2013 04:42 istandwithmitt wrote:


Yeah sorry for posting about who I think is scum.

On October 15 2013 04:47 istandwithmitt wrote:
I just posted who I think is scum. I'm not going to try & convince people I'm town (hint: it's because it's impossible). If you think I'm scum, you should have a reason for it & not "LOL wtf." Hope this helps!

On October 15 2013 05:06 istandwithmitt wrote:
How about instead of posting about how I'm unpleasant or whatever the argument is right now, people tell me what they think of playerboy especially wrt what I posted about him.

Well, see ya

On October 15 2013 11:27 Bereft wrote:
ok i'm back.

reading thru the thread, i'd like to caution people against jumping on the mitt vote. i think what we need to decide on is whether we want to (a) vote a useless townie who might be scum or (b) vote an active townie who we have a strong scum read on.

the reason why i'd caution town to vote mitt is because before the game even started, i was doing some joke votes and istandwithmitt goes:

if we had gotten our pm's at this point, i would have thought this was some miserable scum play. but role pm's hadn't even been sent out at that point! so in conclusion, just keep in mind his in-game posting seems much in line with his pre-game posting.

i think worst case if by the end of d1 we don't see a strong scum case against anyone in particular, mitt is an easy candidate. however given that we have another 24 hours at this point, let's not get pigeon-holed on mitt as there may be stronger candidates out there. i for one would perhaps put Vonthin and GGTemplar in that list, depending on what kind of posts they make in the next 24 hours. not necessarily saying i think they're scum at the moment, but i would like to hear more from them.

the reason i'm singling these 2 out atm is because GGTemplar randomly hones into a pretty mild exchange between Sagaz and mitt and starts postulating about in what scenarios Sagaz is mafia or mitt is mafia, but them both being mafia are mutually exclusive. this seems like either an attempt to appear helpful while not being helpful at all, or a misguided attempt to be helpful, as their exchange seemed pretty minor / un-noteworthy and he's not providing any real analysis but more like game theory.

as for Vonthin, all he does is jump upon the RNG proposal with a massive amount of risk aversion. in this kind of situation, i'm inclined to find mafia to be more risk averse than a townie. as mafia, you'd like to avoid being in the hot seat at any cost possible, whereas as town, my general feeling is that i'm less afraid of being scrutinized because i have nothing to hide. Vonthin also seems to completely miss the fact that Odin isn't actually proposing an RNG, but implicitly proposing RNG as a means to an end -- as a tool to force people to do their best to wriggle out of the hot seat.

On October 15 2013 18:54 SagaZ wrote:
That's what I have on the topics that you put and I think should be focused on. Now since I will leave in an hour or so I will leave the hightest ranked persons on my personal scumlist:
number 1; and I feel a bit dirty about agreeing with mitt: playerboy345. It appears to me that the only talks about inconcecuential things: RNG proposition and E00e's miss use of words (the cop thing)

On October 16 2013 01:06 Seuss wrote:
Also, I really highly doubt E00e was role claiming. If you check his post history he was asking about the cop before the game even started. There's a chance he's the cop, but he couldn't have known he was going to be the cop when he first asked questions about how the cop worked.

On October 16 2013 01:38 Balla24 wrote:
One thing I would like to mention, though, that is somewhat irrelevant at the moment but might be relevant tomorrow: the E00 cop thing. In my opinion, e00's post was a perfectly reasonable topic (when should cop come out?) to talk about, albeit at a bad time since there were already several moving pieces in the game at that point. What is interesting however, is how playerboy jumps on it as if it was the worst possible thing a townie could do. It's like he didn't even think about what e00 was actually saying and wanted to gain town cred by stopping him from talking about something that he shouldn't be talking about (which would be things like, who cop should check, who doctor should save etc etc etc). Suspicious. I just wanted to get this out there so I don't forget tomorrow.

Lastly I'd like to apologize for not being around for the first 36 hours, but I am now fully active and will be until the end of the game (people from last game can vouch for my activity levels). Something came up and I had to go out of town where I barely had any time to read the thread and post from my phone.

On October 16 2013 02:03 E00e wrote:
And by the way dont be fooled into agreeing with me because you think I am as playerboy put it soft claiming cop.
I will neither confirm nor deny that I am the cop but in any case I dont think there is enough evidence to follow me so you should not do it.

On October 16 2013 05:07 SagaZ wrote:
Back, so july still hasn't said shit. At least Vonthin has.

Mitt to me looks like a third party role: a serial killer.
What I think is he took the power to be immune to alignment checks, so now he plays extremely over the top mafia so we really don't feel comfortable lynching him, but since his cop check is going to be town he gets the free pass to play bad town, not help with anything and do his business at night. He has no problem pointing fingers at everyone with reasoning because for him he doesn't need one. Everyone is his enemy so he is happy with anyone dying. His last voting for himself move looks to me like a very bad martyr play.

I might be totally mistaken but this is how I see it, he plays in a way that is horrible for town if he is town, and horrible for mafia if he is mafia; I want to think there's more to this.

Vonthin looks scummier by the hour, he jumps on the mitt's ship, gets called out on it then backtracks. To go for a ??? vote on nyxnyxnyx. So I will say it, as you guys know I think nyxnyxnyx looks scummy. But how in hell would you go from a mitt vote to a nyx vote? it just doesn't makes sense, I feel like nyx is a direct downgrade to mitt in term of voting: they both don't say shit of any sort and make weird decision. Only that mitt looks completly crazy and nyx just looks lost. At this point in time I hightly doubt we will get more info out of a nyx lynch than the few that we get from a mitt lynch, so yeah, it is not the fact that he votes for nyx that bothers me, it's the fact that he unvotes mitt to go to nyx, and saying he switched because he wants more information, which is a direct contradiction with his vote.

We still have some time, Vonthin is under heavy fire and I hope he posts a good defense, july and onlywonderboy haven't say jack shit, nyx is still useless.

##Vote: istandwithmitt
I explained my serial killer theory, even if I'm all up to kill scum, a killer going rampage in our town is one more kill at night. It is a role against town and lowering the amounts of deaths as soon as day 1 is too much tempting of an offer. And even if he isn't serial killer, he looks at least 70% mafia to me.

If you guys think the serial killer theory is dumb and you'd rather focus votes on people that will give info I will change my vote.

What I'd really like is to see: Vonthin making a defense, Istandwithmitt making a real defense. July answering to Seuss interogations and onlywonderboy's toughts.

On October 23 2013 11:30 onlywonderboy wrote:
Although that said town would have probably been pretty fucked considering how almost everyone thought Balla was town.

On October 23 2013 21:31 marvellosity wrote:


Didn't you think it was pretty obvious owb was scum?