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On October 18 2013 13:23 onlywonderboy wrote:
Good point, they could have killed a different active player and still drew heat away from themselves. I think I just tunnel visioned on it being the obvious play, when the obvious play might have very well been the best play.
Of course it's a good point. I made it. 
Whether I've won you over to my thinking or not, do some of the analysis I described and then post again. We need more voices in the thread, including yours.
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On October 18 2013 13:43 Balla24 wrote:
However, on a note more in favor of my defense: I do want to try to get you guys to put more weight into the fact that lurking IS a legitimate scum tactic for these forum games. Hell, that's why literally every game starts with a discussion on policy lynching lurkers or afkers as a scare tactic against it. It's hard to combat.
I am totally okay with murdering SagaZ based on this principle.
On October 18 2013 13:46 istandwithmitt wrote:
You guys need to seriously start making shorter posts. Who was the guy who scumslipped at the beginning of the day? We should lynch him.
Welcome back.
Who do you think scumslipped?
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On October 18 2013 15:25 SagaZ wrote:
I want to give a big and heartfelt apologize to the town, this day has been dramatically bad and busy. it is almost 3.30 am and i have to wake up at 6 tomorrow. I'm in no condition to make super detailed analysis but I'll give my toughs on what's going on so far. Fortunately I'll be home earlier tomorow.
First of all the night kills. I am not as sure as you guys that mafia killed odin and SK killed player... I agree Odin was killed by mafia, but that looks like a horrible plan when Bereft is still in game, maybe they were fishing for blue idk? Odin was against nyx and july, but drawing conclusion from that is way too obvious... I'm pretty sure it's something else but I can't grasp it. SK killed player, why? I tough player looked mafia so I hope it is because SK was fishing for mafia.
Why do you think Bereft was/is a better target than Odin? Odin was the driving force of conversation for most of the day, and did a fairly decent job applying pressure to people he thought were scum. He might have been off the scent Day 1, but that was going to get dangerous if he lived.
Like I said to onlywonderboy, don't overthink it. Killing the most dangerous town and blocking the second most dangerous town was a simple, straightforward, and highly effective play. Because we tunneled so hard on istandwithmitt and Vonthin we didn't really gain as much information from the vote as we should have. With so many lurkers/busy people killing the active town is a very effective way for the mafia to win.
I don't know which of us will die tonight, but I'm fairly certain both Bereft and I will be gone by Day 4. When we're gone it's going to be GGTeMpLaR and Balla24 talking back and forth while the rest of you keep waiting for a burning bush to tell you who the scum are.
Heaven help the town if the SK decides to end the game early, makes a good guess, and we lose both Bereft and me tonight.
So for the love of Marlon Brando, everyone needs to be posting more and dithering less.
On October 18 2013 15:25 SagaZ wrote:
I will adress Seus post now. I think you are mistaken in some aspects. First of all me being mafia; I think I have been very transparent with my actions, of I still look like mafia then I don't really know what to do. I don't know what you mean by sucking up to you, you are the confirmed town, I was doing my best to follow your train of toughs when you gave town a direction, which we lacked at that point. My voting on day 1 may look confusing, my vote on mitt was not an actual sheep vote, I pushed a SK theory (more on that later) and wanted to see what others tough about it. Then you specifically asked to change votes from him, and I pushed onto July cause frankly at that point Vonthin was looking like a bandwagon, just like mitt was earlier. Finally since there was no steam I went with Vonthin to be absolutely sure we wouldn't see a swing in votes to mitt.
I've been on the nyx train since he posted his sheeping on Odin, and I still am.
I tough that player was very scummy for going very hard on a minor mistake. I didn't particularly tried to defend E00e with it.
Now I disagree completely with your town reads on July and Onlywonderboy. July I gave my reasons before, there was huge contradiction and I don't think him not jumping trains really make up for it.
And Onlywonderboy, I mean how on earth does this guy looks town to anyone? Has been sitting on the fence for everything day 1, only said he tough mitt was a bad town and hopped into vonthin. he's been practically just say yes seuss nice work, i agree the whole game and more recently is posting that SK shot Odin and mafia shot player??? I don't know if I'm crazy or what but that looks so scummy to me.
Nyx looks downright scum and not SK to me, sheeping onto some1 has a SK doesn't seem very right since he has no clue who that person alignment is, mafia on the other hand...
Also you put GGtemplar on your town list, the majority of his activity has been today, and he looks like the only person trying to bring activity to the town, that is good to me. But on the other hand, I really dislike how he is drawing these sub clans on the town, saying this is circle 1, this circle 2. I wouldn't be so quick to see him as town.
Lastly and this is important, I want to bring back the mitt is SK that I stated on day 1. This is how I see it: Assuming SK takes cop immunity, he has to appear town enough so he doesn't get lynched, but town enough so he can bait a cop check and doesn't get shot by mafia at night. And mitt is extremely fitting the model. Now after the close lynch he had to play a bit more town. SK killed player IMO, and player was the only one to read and comment on my SK theory when I proposed it, even if he thinks it's wrong, he tough about it enough to post about it, he can't shoot me cause that would make it too apparent, but he can shoot the only guy that tough about it. I recognize that this is a deep play that involves mitt not backing off his stance while he was on the frying pan and pull trough, and also that thing about player might be just smoke. But for some reason it makes sense to me, maybe I am trying too hard to find sense in player's death and mitt's early game play style.
"Sucking up" was a little bit of flavor, don't read too much into it. But you defer to me way more than anyone else in the game. Nobody else brings up my confirmed status the way you do, or quite as often.
It's getting late and I can't give you the full response I want. It's time for me to sleep. I'll talk more when I return.
Before I completely disappear, I would like to reemphasize my nyxnyxnyx vote. While SagaZ is still on my mafia list, he's at least having a conversation with me which I can analyze. He might convince me he's town, at which point my next preferred target is nyxnyxnyx. Be prepared to participate and defend yourself.
E00e shouldn't get too comfortable either.
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On October 18 2013 15:58 istandwithmitt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 13:55 Seuss wrote:On October 18 2013 13:43 Balla24 wrote:
However, on a note more in favor of my defense: I do want to try to get you guys to put more weight into the fact that lurking IS a legitimate scum tactic for these forum games. Hell, that's why literally every game starts with a discussion on policy lynching lurkers or afkers as a scare tactic against it. It's hard to combat. I am totally okay with murdering SagaZ based on this principle. On October 18 2013 13:46 istandwithmitt wrote:
You guys need to seriously start making shorter posts. Who was the guy who scumslipped at the beginning of the day? We should lynch him. Welcome back. Who do you think scumslipped? The guy who was like "woah there has to be an SK because playerboy died" when there's no way to differentiate scum/SK or a vig kill. Obviously knew that the other kill was from the mafia. I can go back & look but~~
There's no such post. The closest I could find was this:
On October 17 2013 11:30 Bereft wrote:
ok, so looks like we have an SK. or potentially a vig. though vig is a quite unlikely imo as I don't see any town vig shooting playerboy N1 save for maybe mitt. mitt, you vig?
also, I have been roleblocked.
Except he explicitly brings up the potential for a vig, even though he doesn't think it likely.
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On October 19 2013 00:48 istandwithmitt wrote:
@Balla: there's no reason to blindly believe a roleblock claim. It's weird that he would claim in the first place (do vanillas get roleblocked??). I think his slipping wrt claim is the scummiest thing to happen in the game so far & I don't get it if you guys don't agree.
##unvote
##vote: Bereft
It was explained earlier. Vanillas can get roleblocked and will be informed if they are. As such, it's perfectly normal (according to my coach) for people to immediately post that they've been roleblocked, as it doesn't actually roleclaim and gives the town important information.
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On October 19 2013 00:56 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:51 Seuss wrote:On October 19 2013 00:48 istandwithmitt wrote:
@Balla: there's no reason to blindly believe a roleblock claim. It's weird that he would claim in the first place (do vanillas get roleblocked??). I think his slipping wrt claim is the scummiest thing to happen in the game so far & I don't get it if you guys don't agree.
##unvote
##vote: Bereft It was explained earlier. Vanillas can get roleblocked and will be informed if they are. As such, it's perfectly normal (according to my coach) for people to immediately post that they've been roleblocked, as it doesn't actually roleclaim and gives the town important information. Please don't discuss what you talk about with your coach/what your coach has said until after game. Not that big a deal because you're the IC, but it's better to keep the two things separate.
I think daddy just grounded me. 
(It won't happen again).
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On October 19 2013 02:27 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
gonna say it again, voting for me is a mistake. gona sleep now
You're probably going to be dead when you wake up.
We can't really afford to have two istandwithmitts this game.
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On October 19 2013 03:02 Bereft wrote:
Seuss, what did you think about my e00e case? personally while I feel there's a good case nyx is SK, I'm not sure if I'm fully sold on it yet.
I'm already of the opinion he's mafia. I think this is just corroborating evidence. He may even be their roleblocker, but that's would just be a lucky streak.
I think at this point we should decide between nyxnyxnyx and E00e for lynches. Whether or not nyxnyxnyx is SK he's been particularly unhelpful. I've stated my reasons for thinking E00e is mafia, and Bereft has a fairly decent point about E00e not getting roleblocked when there was a chance he was a cop.
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On October 19 2013 05:40 Bereft wrote:
that was my argument actually. but I realize now that my argument assumes mafia thought (like playerboy and I did) that you were soft claiming. which may not necessarily be the case - because going back and rereading your filter a second time, it doesn't come off like a soft claim after all. I think at the time I was largely convinced by playerboy aggressive reaction.
I guess the question that faces us now is that if we think nyx is the SK (as I think there's a very slim chance he's scum), would we prefer to target him instead of a potential scum read? if he's our safest bet right now at avoiding a mislynch I would be fine with it.
My concern at the moment is that nyxnyxnyx will skate by on the same defense istandwithmitt did, which would make the "safe" play for just about everyone to be lurking, cryptic posts, aggressive "you're bad if you think I'm scum" posts, and generally being unhelpful. That's not how town should play.
I'm leaving my vote on him for the moment while I reevaluate Balla24, E00e, and SagaZ. I also need to take onlywonderboy's aggro post into account.
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On October 19 2013 04:20 E00e wrote:
@Seuss Could you reiterate again why you think im Mafia? I would like to know the accusation so I can defend myself.
There were a few players that said they didnt think I was the cop and other players pointed out that Mafia could have thought playerboy was the cop. I dont think it really is evidence against me that I was not roleblocked? Would you like to know if i am vanilla town or a role? If that is a bad question to answer just say so!
At this point it's process of elimination.
I'm town, that's one down.
Bereft is town, that's two.
istandwithmitt, in all his glory, is town #3.
onlywonderboy, despite SagaZ' inquiries, is #4.
So I'm left with you, nyxnyxnyx, SagaZ, Balla24, July617 and GGTeMpLaR for the rest.
If we go based purely on post volume/content/wordcount, Balla24 and GGTeMpLaR are the other two town.
If we go based on my previous logic, July617 and GGTeMpLaR are the other two town.
A lot of the problem isn't that you're particularly suspicious, although your low post count and the fact that you weren't roleblocked put you under scrutiny, but that you also haven't done much that makes you seem like a town. When I have strong town reads on four people, and fairly probable reads on 2-3 others, you're one of the odd players out.
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I'd like to ratchet up the pressure on E00e and see what happens in these last hours. I don't agree with GGTeMpLaR on everything, but whether nyxnyxnyx is SK or town we aren't going to learn much from him being the point of pressure.
##unvote
##vote E00e
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On October 19 2013 06:35 E00e wrote:
Sleeping time is approaching for me (~1.5 hours) and I dont want to be lynched after that because I could not defend myself against new accusations. If im not lynched today we can go over me again it tomorrow.
I really dont think you should lynch me over nyx. I was called town many times earlier and nyx as SK seemed like a popular idea on day2 and nyx was nearly lynched day 1 and did not even try to make sense today. Even if you have suspicion on me now it really does not make sense to change who you want to lynch so drastically.
It's not all that drastic. I've had you listed as mafia for most of the day. As I said before, and as GGTeMpLaR sagely pointed out, nyxnyxnyx is an isolated player. If we all bandwagon him now we won't learn much of anything.
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On October 19 2013 06:57 Bereft wrote:
I don't think E00e is scum (anymore). I'd be more confident in a Balla or July vote for our mafia candidates, or nyx if we choose to go the SK route.
On October 19 2013 07:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 06:57 Bereft wrote:
I don't think E00e is scum (anymore). I'd be more confident in a Balla or July vote for our mafia candidates, or nyx if we choose to go the SK route. I don't like July617 for today. I would rather Balla24 or nyxnyxnyx over July617. I've given my reasons.
If you guys prefer I'll swap my vote to Balla24 for pressure/effect.
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On October 19 2013 07:12 Balla24 wrote:
Oh come on... you've pressured me enough already don't you think. Jesus.
That was only the thumb vices. We haven't used the rack or the iron maiden yet.
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On October 19 2013 07:33 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 07:21 Seuss wrote:On October 19 2013 07:12 Balla24 wrote:
Oh come on... you've pressured me enough already don't you think. Jesus. That was only the thumb vices. We haven't used the rack or the iron maiden yet. Hahaha. You turned me to pissed off to laughing and smiling fast. But still. Fuck you! ^_^
Just a friendly reminder that I don't think less of you, scum. :3
In the meantime I'm leaving my vote on E00e. We have about as much to gain from pressuring July617 right now as we do pressuring nyxnyxnyx.
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Fair point, we have three people who don't have votes down with three hours to go. GGTeMpLaR and onlywonderboy are at least around, so I will assume you gentlemen will vote shortly.
##unvote
##vote July617
Once July617 has voted with his reasons, I'll be on hand to swap,
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On October 19 2013 07:51 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 07:44 Seuss wrote:
Fair point, we have three people who don't have votes down with three hours to go. GGTeMpLaR and onlywonderboy are at least around, so I will assume you gentlemen will vote shortly.
##unvote
##vote July617
Once July617 has voted with his reasons, I'll be on hand to swap, GGtemplar put his vote on E00.
wtb vote counter, you're right
That leaves July617 as the only absent vote for now.
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Man, that vote count is a mess.
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So we can basically killed any of July617, E00e, nyxnyxnyx, and Balla24 at the drop of a hat.
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If you guys have faith in me we can leave the votes as they stand, and I'll swap to either nyxnyxnyx or Balla24 before the end of the day if July617 doesn't show.
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