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Like should Oats be trying to develop a read on Sloosh or what?
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On October 03 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok HF is like confirmed town. Cool shit.
Rayn, it is a random lynch.
No it's not. It is not. If you know the target before you say if you agree/not with a random lynch it's no more a random lynch.
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On October 03 2013 21:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:45 Holyflare wrote:
Also, as it progressed I kept it on oats because his play was tunneled and did not bother with questioning other people. So what did you expect Oats to do when people in thread were you, BH and him (and to some extent Risen)? How was his play tunneled? Have you read this shit? I've made at least 1-2 cases on oats that explained all this. You aren't helping my view of you.
Your cases were bad.
Now, again, how was Oats' play tunneled and what he should have done instead of trying to figure out people's alignment that were actually posting at that time?
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On October 03 2013 21:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok HF is like confirmed town. Cool shit.
Rayn, it is a random lynch.
No it's not. It is not. If you know the target before you say if you agree/not with a random lynch it's no more a random lynch. Oh, now I know where you're coming from. While, yes, that makes sense for other people. However, since I do not know anybody here it is in fact random for me.
If you are scum and Oats is town you can safely agree with the randomizing.
If you are both scum you can either agree with it or disagree, randomlynch was never gonna go through. It was a stupid suggestion in the first place.
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On October 03 2013 21:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok HF is like confirmed town. Cool shit.
Rayn, it is a random lynch.
No it's not. It is not. If you know the target before you say if you agree/not with a random lynch it's no more a random lynch. I was about to tell you you're being silly, then I suddenly understood what you meant. The fact that I was confused for a moment suggests to me that there isn't that much to be made of the point, though.
Now do you think Blazinghand is stupid enough to not know this in the first place? As he proposed the shit.
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On October 03 2013 21:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:48 Holyflare wrote:On October 03 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:45 Holyflare wrote:
Also, as it progressed I kept it on oats because his play was tunneled and did not bother with questioning other people. So what did you expect Oats to do when people in thread were you, BH and him (and to some extent Risen)? How was his play tunneled? Have you read this shit? I've made at least 1-2 cases on oats that explained all this. You aren't helping my view of you. Your cases were bad. Now, again, how was Oats' play tunneled and what he should have done instead of trying to figure out people's alignment that were actually posting at that time? Then you've read jack shit. Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 14:08 Holyflare wrote:
The fact you can't just click my profile (you can even see my post count??) and see that I've only been in newbie games is just more testament to your alignment. Shouldn't you be discerning these answers before you know that "He's surely scum".? My case before all these things said things similar to all this. Please don't insult things you haven't been bothered to actually read.
On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum?
Oats saying "stop posting long posts" is not alignment indicative. Oats gave his thoughts on you/BH/Risen during the rng shit. So the rest of your post is incorrect. There was nothing else to figure out at that time.
On October 02 2013 14:08 Holyflare wrote:
The fact you can't just click my profile (you can even see my post count??) and see that I've only been in newbie games is just more testament to your alignment. Shouldn't you be discerning these answers before you know that "He's surely scum".?
If you do something scummy people think you are scum. What's wrong with that regardless if you are noob or not?
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On October 03 2013 21:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:49 marvellosity wrote:On October 03 2013 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok HF is like confirmed town. Cool shit.
Rayn, it is a random lynch.
No it's not. It is not. If you know the target before you say if you agree/not with a random lynch it's no more a random lynch. I was about to tell you you're being silly, then I suddenly understood what you meant. The fact that I was confused for a moment suggests to me that there isn't that much to be made of the point, though. Now do you think Blazinghand is stupid enough to not know this in the first place? As he proposed the shit. I don't think that much of it. It *is* a conversation starter, and what was the agenda? Random lynches never go through. Generally I find random lynch stuff really null, because I never really get any decent reads out of either the proposer or the followers.
You know, to me it did not look like a conversation starter. BH never said it was, at least before someone else (Clarity) said so. To me it looked more like "let's gun for Oats as he was randomed" and then BH developed a shit read on Oats.
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On October 03 2013 21:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:50 Holyflare wrote:On October 03 2013 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:48 Holyflare wrote:On October 03 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:45 Holyflare wrote:
Also, as it progressed I kept it on oats because his play was tunneled and did not bother with questioning other people. So what did you expect Oats to do when people in thread were you, BH and him (and to some extent Risen)? How was his play tunneled? Have you read this shit? I've made at least 1-2 cases on oats that explained all this. You aren't helping my view of you. Your cases were bad. Now, again, how was Oats' play tunneled and what he should have done instead of trying to figure out people's alignment that were actually posting at that time? Then you've read jack shit. On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? On October 02 2013 14:08 Holyflare wrote:
The fact you can't just click my profile (you can even see my post count??) and see that I've only been in newbie games is just more testament to your alignment. Shouldn't you be discerning these answers before you know that "He's surely scum".? My case before all these things said things similar to all this. Please don't insult things you haven't been bothered to actually read. On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? Oats saying "stop posting long posts" is not alignment indicative. Oats gave his thoughts on you/BH/Risen during the rng shit. So the rest of your post is incorrect. There was nothing else to figure out at that time. On October 02 2013 14:08 Holyflare wrote:
The fact you can't just click my profile (you can even see my post count??) and see that I've only been in newbie games is just more testament to your alignment. Shouldn't you be discerning these answers before you know that "He's surely scum".? If you do something scummy people think you are scum. What's wrong with that regardless if you are noob or not? My post explains why I don't think oats is scummy anymore, my vote isn't even on him anymore. There are far more scummy people to look at. Why are we still talking about oats?
lol. Because you voted for him with shitty reasons. And because you defended your shitty cases on him. I am not talking about Oats here, i am talking about you. Why are you turning this into "talking about Oats" when it's clearly not what it is?
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On October 03 2013 22:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:53 marvellosity wrote:On October 03 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:49 marvellosity wrote:On October 03 2013 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok HF is like confirmed town. Cool shit.
Rayn, it is a random lynch.
No it's not. It is not. If you know the target before you say if you agree/not with a random lynch it's no more a random lynch. I was about to tell you you're being silly, then I suddenly understood what you meant. The fact that I was confused for a moment suggests to me that there isn't that much to be made of the point, though. Now do you think Blazinghand is stupid enough to not know this in the first place? As he proposed the shit. I don't think that much of it. It *is* a conversation starter, and what was the agenda? Random lynches never go through. Generally I find random lynch stuff really null, because I never really get any decent reads out of either the proposer or the followers. You know, to me it did not look like a conversation starter. BH never said it was, at least before someone else (Clarity) said so. To me it looked more like "let's gun for Oats as he was randomed" and then BH developed a shit read on Oats. Same difference imo. A game I have in mind while thinking about this is Rockband. BH effectively fabricated a case on prplhz right out the gate, together with weird meta arguments, and it was all ridiculously much. It got the game going (even though the case was a total stretch) and BH was town.
Yeah i know what you are saying. I am not arguing about if it started conversation or not, as it did, and it has produced a lot of content.
My main point is that during the argument both BH and HF attacked Oats for reasons i think are shit.
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On October 03 2013 22:01 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, why are you going after Holy now when you've shown no incliniation to go after him before he came back to the thread?
I don't understand.
Because i tend to interact with people who are in thread. I'm impatient to wait for answers for hours, i have a train of thought and i want to disclose it with quick back and forth discussion. That's what i always do.
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On October 03 2013 22:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:56 Holyflare wrote:On October 03 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:50 Holyflare wrote:On October 03 2013 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:48 Holyflare wrote:On October 03 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 21:45 Holyflare wrote:
Also, as it progressed I kept it on oats because his play was tunneled and did not bother with questioning other people. So what did you expect Oats to do when people in thread were you, BH and him (and to some extent Risen)? How was his play tunneled? Have you read this shit? I've made at least 1-2 cases on oats that explained all this. You aren't helping my view of you. Your cases were bad. Now, again, how was Oats' play tunneled and what he should have done instead of trying to figure out people's alignment that were actually posting at that time? Then you've read jack shit. On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? On October 02 2013 14:08 Holyflare wrote:
The fact you can't just click my profile (you can even see my post count??) and see that I've only been in newbie games is just more testament to your alignment. Shouldn't you be discerning these answers before you know that "He's surely scum".? My case before all these things said things similar to all this. Please don't insult things you haven't been bothered to actually read. On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? Oats saying "stop posting long posts" is not alignment indicative. Oats gave his thoughts on you/BH/Risen during the rng shit. So the rest of your post is incorrect. There was nothing else to figure out at that time. On October 02 2013 14:08 Holyflare wrote:
The fact you can't just click my profile (you can even see my post count??) and see that I've only been in newbie games is just more testament to your alignment. Shouldn't you be discerning these answers before you know that "He's surely scum".? If you do something scummy people think you are scum. What's wrong with that regardless if you are noob or not? My post explains why I don't think oats is scummy anymore, my vote isn't even on him anymore. There are far more scummy people to look at. Why are we still talking about oats? lol. Because you voted for him with shitty reasons. And because you defended your shitty cases on him. I am not talking about Oats here, i am talking about you. Why are you turning this into "talking about Oats" when it's clearly not what it is? I posted something that people jumped on, I explained why, no matter how I explained things he didn't post anything other than "i know he's scum", what's more to add, this was all in the first few hours of the game. So much has happened since then. There are people on your list that are scummy for things they have done that you are not discussing and you are picking up on something that happened in the first 6 hours.
I am picking it up because you are here, Sloosh, Dirk, etc are not. They are things that bother me in you.
I don't see what's wrong in this?
Also could you answer my question in my last post?
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On October 03 2013 22:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 22:01 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, why are you going after Holy now when you've shown no incliniation to go after him before he came back to the thread?
I don't understand. Because i tend to interact with people who are in thread. I'm impatient to wait for answers for hours, i have a train of thought and i want to disclose it with quick back and forth discussion. That's what i always do. Maybe, but you still showed absolutely no issue with Holy's previous posting before this, and now suddenly it's a massive issue. I'm not understanding the two together.
Did you even read my post when i got here today? I explain my issues with HF in that post, which is exactly what i am talking about now..
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shh.. marv. You'll hear the conclusions when i am done.
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It's also good that if you can't see what i am doing it makes this even better.
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Dirkzor why didn't you vote for Sloosh or me in the first place if you found us scummy and HF not?
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Hey Holyflare where did you go?
Why do you feel like i am talking about Oats when i am clearly not?
Also do you think your case on him was good or not?
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I really don't like Holyflare trying to flush my argument away with made up reasons..
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On October 03 2013 22:24 Dirkzor wrote:@oats: Try reading. It helps. @marv: Because his filter does feel clean. Some parts of it still does. It is not something where I can say "Look here what he wrote. Thats stupid. He is scum." It's more the general direction of his filter or how he makes me feel when reading. And I feel like he is trying to portray something that isn't I pointed out here again: Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 17:06 Dirkzor wrote:I don't think he is a good lynch if that's what you are asking... There are something about him. He posts the way I would If I was scum. Openly and making cases without really following through with anything. Like this post Link. It is a good constructed post and actually have some good points, but where is the punch at the end. What is he trying to do beside having thread presence? So, yeah it is still somewhat feel based... Thats what it is...
Wait what? Are you saying Holyflare is scum but he is not the best lynch today? Why?
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Dirkzor what do you make of HF's big post and his contributions after that?
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