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On October 08 2013 16:28 Dirkzor wrote:
Risen is to consistent but his thought fits a townperson. Starts by voting sloosh (the other wagon at the time) to save himself. Would do as either alignment. See Rayn being pushed - votes Rayn. Now why do this if they are scumbuddies? He was already on town sloosh. He sees the rayn wagon is a Tandembike and votes sloosh again to consolidate. In the mean time HF is voting rayn. Risen is "Hey rayn can get killed" and votes him. The timeline fits. I can't see why he would vote back and forth as scum when he had a good reason just to vote sloosh and be done with it. Not scum
To the bold: because he has to, he made a case on him earlier in the day. He can't NOT vote for rayn.
To the underline: he unvotes his "main scumread" to 'consolidate' on rayn. Does Risen seem like the consolidate-y sort to you? Answer me that seriously. Or does he just go after who he thinks is mafia? Go read his filter in Noir. He's like "fuck it, these guys are mafia and i don't give a fuck what any of you say"
To the second bolded: Again, he can't NOT vote for rayn after the case he made earlier in the day.
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I've been Risen's clear "second" scumread behind Oats, and yet somehow the play makes enough sense coming from you that you are now his main scumread?
Explain that to me Dirkzor.
Do you think that the nightkill makes enough sense coming from you that Risen would override his scumread on me and vote for you?
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ugh, it's still ridiculous.
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On October 08 2013 18:37 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
I've been Risen's clear "second" scumread behind Oats, and yet somehow the play makes enough sense coming from you that you are now his main scumread?
Explain that to me Dirkzor.
Do you think that the nightkill makes enough sense coming from you that Risen would override his scumread on me and vote for you? I'm not sure Risen had you pegged as his 2nd scumread. Have to look that up. I don't think the NK makes sense coming from anybody so I can't explain that to you. It makes just as little sense coming from me as it does coming from you or Risen.
how the fuck have you missed that?
that's really dodgy. it's almost all he's talked about.
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that's really bad Dirk.
you would know this if you'd seriously looked into anyone recently.
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##Vote: Dirkzor
you've not been reading the thread.
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so you just managed to miss the argument Risen had with me yesterday, specifically about the fact that I was his 2nd scumread behind Oats and I was calling that out?
ok.
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like literally EVERY RISEN POST it's "oats and marv" "oats and marv" "oats and marv"
christ
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On October 08 2013 18:58 Dirkzor wrote:
And yeah you are right about Risen being on your ass. I forgot. My memery is shit. .
On October 08 2013 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
I've been Risen's clear "second" scumread behind Oats, and yet somehow the play makes enough sense coming from you that you are now his main scumread?
Explain that to me Dirkzor.
Do you think that the nightkill makes enough sense coming from you that Risen would override his scumread on me and vote for you?
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On October 08 2013 18:57 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 18:22 marvellosity wrote:
Dirk, do me a favour and do a little thought exercise.
I'm going to assume you're calling yourself town, and you have to assume I'm town.
How do you think the NK changes the course of things? Example question: if you flipped town, does it make it more likely I'd get lynched d4 than in other nightkill scenarios last night? Btw that only works if you are town. When I flip town doesn't actually change peoples view of you, does it? If you are scum, which you are, lynching me or Risen is a good play. NK HF or clarity and lynch the other dude. Perfect.
Pretty clearly as I said in this scenario that we're both town.
Reading is hard, amirite? :o
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So basically you're refusing to discuss the game and scenarios because you just want to blindly call me mafia?
That's really helpful Dirk.
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the fact you're not even willing to discuss Risen with me is pretty mindboggling tbh.
then again i was mindboggled when slOosh afked day 2 as well.
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you've not answered the question i've put to you twice now.
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On October 08 2013 18:58 Dirkzor wrote:
And yeah you are right about Risen being on your ass. I forgot. My memery is shit. .
On October 08 2013 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
I've been Risen's clear "second" scumread behind Oats, and yet somehow the play makes enough sense coming from you that you are now his main scumread?
Explain that to me Dirkzor.
Do you think that the nightkill makes enough sense coming from you that Risen would override his scumread on me and vote for you?
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On October 08 2013 19:14 Dirkzor wrote:
Never said that. There is just no reason to say "imagine I'm town". You should rather convince me why someone else would do something if they were scum. Like Risen NK his own target or voting rayn D1. And so far you haven't.
I don't have to convince you of shit, i'm just trying to talk about stuff with you.
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In fact I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt with that, but never mind that, eh?
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On October 08 2013 19:20 Dirkzor wrote:
I already answered that. The NK doesn't make sense in my head coming from anyone. So no. But it also doesn't make sense that you were 100% with me on the sloosh lynch and now I'm scum. As scum I would like to keep as many ??-players around as possible. That means I would never NK oats.
That literally does not answer the question.
Do you think it is reasonable that I was Risen's *CLEAR* 2nd scumread after Oats, and his argument is that the nightkill does make enough sense coming from you that he is now willing to override his scumread on me and vote for you?
Risen thinks the nightkill makes enough sense coming from you that he's willing to vote for you over me.
You say that the nightkill makes no sense coming from you.
See the disconnect here?
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On October 08 2013 19:21 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 19:16 marvellosity wrote:On October 08 2013 19:14 Dirkzor wrote:
Never said that. There is just no reason to say "imagine I'm town". You should rather convince me why someone else would do something if they were scum. Like Risen NK his own target or voting rayn D1. And so far you haven't. I don't have to convince you of shit, i'm just trying to talk about stuff with you. If you are town and you want to win you kinda need to. I'm town so you'll need my vote at some point.
this makes zero sense. this isn't lylo.
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I don't understand why you're so willing to accept Risen's argument that the nightkill makes sense from you and therefore he is voting for you.
Why are you so willing to accept that?
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