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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 08 2013 15:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Some of us weren't here for D1. And weren't really here for a good chunk of D2.But the fact is Palmar put zero effort into scumhunting on D1 and D2. D1 no effort Palmar should be enough to lynch. Immediately. So (1) we read it all quickly and (2) we saw none of it in context. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I care that he was useless WHILE finding the time to post voluminously on stuff that didn't matter. It's not the uselessness alone, it's the fact that he's willing to post and think about the game, but only as far as non-scumhunting is concerned. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
But it seems like you're actually reading my filter, which I appreciate/you should do if you're gonna call someone mafia. At the very least, it looks like you've gone from "I never saw him push anyone" to "Easy push, rayn and grack were making the same posts" to "Why didn't you push him earlier?" | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Scum don't want to call out other scum at the start of the game, even if they figure them out. Because the other team might kill you and you then effectively shit on each others bed. My problem is this: When SnB was killed the other scumteam HAS to assume Palmar is town, because the bus was so incredible. Then, magically then, you come up with this Palmar stuff, while on N2 you have him as fucking town. On D4, when there is a Solstice life on the line, you magically come up with Chairman Ray who is ABSOLUTELY MAFIA! Out of fucking nowhere. OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE! That, sir, is a big problem in your play to me. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
That's why I am having doubts, and that it could have been a powerplay for Mr.CC to be given town cred. I am positive at least 1 of pandain or austin is scum tho. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 08 2013 15:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mostly agree with the first bit. But again I was not here. Sorry for not catching scum before I started playing.What i care about is this: Scum don't want to call out other scum at the start of the game, even if they figure them out. Because the other team might kill you and you then effectively shit on each others bed. My problem is this: When SnB was killed the other scumteam HAS to assume Palmar is town, because the bus was so incredible. Then, magically then, you come up with this Palmar stuff, while on N2 you have him as fucking town. On D4, when there is a Solstice life on the line, you magically come up with Chairman Ray who is ABSOLUTELY MAFIA! Out of fucking nowhere. OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE! That, sir, is a big problem in your play to me. Also, I don't magically come up with CR. Jesus. Here's my scumreads D2 On October 02 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote: Don't want to lynch FT or ShiaoPi. Happy with Koshi, Solstice, probably CR, possibly Pandain. ##vote: s0Lstice Hiro, could you share some thoughts on people who aren't FT and ShiaoPi? Maybe take a look at rayn/palmar arguing, a peek at CR, and whatchoo thinkin' bout solstice? On D3, I look harder at CR: Here's my looking into other CR games: On October 05 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote: CR or someone else, can you point me to your other mafia games? On October 05 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote: where your = CR's as far as the "someone else" is concerned. Profile full of a bunch of, gasp, non-mafia posts On October 05 2013 03:08 austinmcc wrote: Yeah. I just want to look over those other games. When I start making lists, he's in this middle grouping and I need to pull some of those folks one way or another. after Koshi first outs himself: On October 05 2013 04:29 austinmcc wrote: (Which is why we should lynch him. High five!) Palmar/WoS/solstice/CR/(VA or Cheese) is where I currently sit. LOOK AT MY MUSCULAR, CHISELED BACK TOWN. LOOK AT IT. DO YOU NOT WANT TO HOP ON? Perhaps tomorrow, or perhaps later Koshi revelations will clear something neat up. Here's my looking into other CR games: On October 05 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote: CR or someone else, can you point me to your other mafia games? On October 05 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote: where your = CR's as far as the "someone else" is concerned. Profile full of a bunch of, gasp, non-mafia posts On October 05 2013 03:08 austinmcc wrote: Yeah. I just want to look over those other games. When I start making lists, he's in this middle grouping and I need to pull some of those folks one way or another. Someone asks me about my reads: On October 05 2013 04:40 austinmcc wrote: LOOK. I EXPLAIN WHY I THINK CR IS MAFIA HERE, ON D3, BEFORE PALMAR HAS EVEN FLIPPED. I explain by referencing past games.A lot hinges on FT and Palmar. I agree that Oats ain't strongly town, but some of what he's said just struck me as very town-minded. Not even town-minded in a "scumhunting the other team" way, but just about the game in general. CR's old town games are like...plans to do stuff, votes put on people he doesn't think are scum so that MAYBE scum will hop off the leading candidate and onto that other guy (indicating that the main candidate IS scum), etc. etc. Tricksy, calculating, and lynched for it because it sounds a little too wonky. This game, he's doing a little calculating and theory, but it almost always concerns scum actions/scum teams. In some ways, my read on him is like...reverse blue sniping. It looks like he wants to play his normal game, but he's caught up in scum actions, and so all his theories and speculation posts focus on scum actions. Not a boatload to go on, but it's there. His entry posts are also a bit crafted for my taste. He never never drops in. It's always a sizeable post focused on one or two areas, not like he hops in and gets dirty but like he knows he's not around and crafts these single posts to drop into thread. There might have been something else but I forget. WoS/solstice we'll see about. Then continue looking at my posts. I'm focused on that one post of CR's during N3 On October 06 2013 01:53 austinmcc wrote: Oats. I still kind of sort of think you're town. Please do some super townie stuff or something if you're town. I don't think we conclude anything off of that. IF WoS isn't the third member of that team, CR is a decent option, but honestly I read more into what CR wrote about Palmar than what Palmar wrote about CR. Go look at CR's post D2 where he goes through the permutations of VA/Palmar/SnB/FT scumteams. He concludes overall that Palmar is scummy but the worst lynch for information-gathering reasons. THAT is something I like much more as a connection than what Palmar says about CR. (This post is when I had WoS as most likely MCB, CR second likely) Here's solstice defending CR N3, and me explaining to solstice why CR is mafia: On October 06 2013 02:29 austinmcc wrote: Look at his past games. Look at his posts this one. There are less, they're generally very well-constructed and almost never spur of the moment little comments. He rarely sticks around. A lot of his scumhunting is bolstered by ... events, by votes, by flips, by something other than just filters. It's not just that he's not doing these weird votes to try and make something happen and out mafia, he's OVERLY cautious, very apologetic, and never just straight sitting down and scumhunting. To the extent you like disappearing after lynch, as some other people have mentioned in this thread, as a scumtell, CR not only hasn't been around but this is, as best I can tell, the first time he's seen a scum lynch on TL. In both other games he was a D1 mislynch. In this game, SnB flips scum and CR's response is:Palmar flips scum and CR's response is:There is no joy in mudville. Combine that with the fact that there's a limited pool of possible mafia players, and he's mafia. I'm not going to grab any more posts. They're all in my filter. You can look at them. I don't grab CR from nowhere. I've been explaining why CR is mafia from later in D3, and arguing harder for him during N3 and at the start of D4. I don't magically come up with CR. I scumhunt. And I found scum. And very, very few people were interested in listening at all, despite me asking a bunch of people about CR, and trying to get them to see the light. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Long before cheesecake ever mentions his PMs. Long before solstice claims. In no way, shape, or form does this read spring out of my head the moment solstice is about to die. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 08 2013 13:05 Chairman Ray wrote: You guys are way too good at this and I'm sorta crumbling from the pressure. I don't think I have the mafia skill to prevent myself from being lynched the next day. Probably not worth the effort since I have no chance to win anyways. I am actually the last banger. SnB and palmer have given me permission to give up ages ago. I lost some motivation after they died since there was basically no way for us to win at that point. It was clearly either a town victory or the other scumteam's victory. I'll just vest it up every night and see how long I survive. Sorry for not being all that active.  Definitely won't be joining another mafia game until I have more free time.hahahahahahahaha CR you are a cool dude bro. You are cool. Don't shoot me. Just vest and we keep you alive. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 08 2013 18:06 Koshi wrote: hahahahahahahaha CR you are a cool dude bro. You are cool. Don't shoot me. Just vest and we keep you alive. And to add. Sucks to be mafia if you have nothing to say and pressure is on you. I claimed mafia as well in voice mafia because I simply didn't know what bullshit to spew next. Game isn't fun anymore. But in all honesty. You maybe should have just lurked away and not tell that you are last banger. But I think you would get lynched tomorrow and now maybe not. We bros. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Damn. This game. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
_______________________________ rayn, VE, Oats confirmed CC, VA townread. CC basically for outing s0l and not CR being last banger. VA is pure gut, there are a couple post I don't really like though. WoS, Austin, Pandain are like the most active scummers I don't get it. 2 of those are scum??? CR confirmed scum. In this case I think VA/Austin might be scum. ________________________________ What about a new conspiracy theory: CR is actually a baller. CC is banger. 1 out of WoS/Austin Pandain is scum. Why do I think CC is scum? Because Austin/Wos/Pandain have been insanely active and aren't doing anything really antitown. Don't forget we have lynched: 1) Day 1 was ruined due to rng bullshit. 2) Day 2 we didn't lynch too bad with SP. Seriously, he would have been eaten in this game later, he didn't do jack shit for 2 days. Really fucking nothing. 3) Day 3 Good lynch on Palmar, loads of discussion on both FT and Palmar. 4) Day 4 Good lynch on s0lstice. loads of discussion. Austin/WoS/Pandain can't gave 2 scummers. Pff. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
We don't discuss CR for the first 24 hours? Or at least not his lynch. Because I really really want to lycn him but might ruin tomorrow. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Is he scum? Can he be scum? Why? Or why not? I am thinking that both WoS and Austin are town. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
CC last banger and a stand up mafia player. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On October 08 2013 20:41 Koshi wrote: Oats you play a lot with VA as well. Is he scum? Can he be scum? Why? Or why not? I am thinking that both WoS and Austin are town. Well VA started off saying everything was boring and shit and he didnt try to scumhunt at all. And I dont think he has been trying to either. I havent really been reading his posts but from what I can remember, he never really pushed a lynch or did "pro-town" stuff. so hes town. Im thinking the same about WoS and Austin. | ||
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