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On October 08 2013 14:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:51 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 14:47 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 08 2013 14:44 Pandain wrote:
Vayne this is why I think you're scum.
We literally have a claimed scum who we can lower the KP with. what KP are we lowering exactly? he said he's just going to vest every night. If koshi kills scum tonight I will be gunning for the last scum on the other team, not CR. In this post, we see the wild VA inform everyone that it's cool, the guy who claimed mafia is 100% trustworthy, and we shouldn't eliminate mafia KP. Yeah I'm not really sure what that's about. So wait why VA over Pandain? "BECAUSE THOSE ARE THEIR ALIGNMENTS," HE YELLED IN A FRIENDLY MANNER.
Has nobody been reading my filter? My posts? Are the people accusing me of being mafia just not even reading my posts?
Pandain is town because of his activity spike D3 trying to save FT and get Palmar lynched. Since then, he has continued to be townie by posting lots of little cases and suspicions and pressuring people. Whether his suspicions/cases have been right or wrong, he's putting work into scumhunting.
VA got tangled up when Koshi busted out his oats shot. There's probably other reasons back in my posts, but honestly they don't matter nearly as much. He dun goofed with the oats stuff.
If VA has a long track record of being super demure scum, super lurker-y, and not afraid to fight back, I'm much much much more willing to listen to CC/Pandain. But unless that's VA scum play, he's mafia here.
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PANDAIN NEVER TRIED TO GET PALMAR LYNCHED: AND EVEN IF HE HAD DONE SO IT MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE OPPOSING TEAMS!
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And then there is this other point. When SnB flipped NOBOBY would expect Palmar to be his scumbuddy. So, for the opposing scumteam Palmar was likely town.
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On October 08 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly has Austin pushed? rayn. I will save anything else for postgame or postflip, but here. Go and read my filter.
I pushed Palmar. If you look D3, there are OODLES of posts between Pandain and I. We agree FT is not scum. He wants to lynch VA, I want to lynch Palmar. Look through D3 and watch me push Palmar over FT, and push him pretty hard. I'm trying to get votes off FT way before the modkill nonsense came up, because I was on Palmar that whoooooole day and trying to drum up support FOR palmar, as well as trying to push people OFF FT.
Go read N3 and the start of D4. I'm on Chairman Ray. He or WoS is the last MCB, as I see the world, and I start the day off with a CR vote and pushing CR. The cop stuff came around and turned the day into that, but: (1) I was pushing CR scum and CR last MCB during the night; (2) I was pushing CR scum, CR last MCB during the early day; and (3) it seems pretty clear that I was actually pushing to lynch CR over a cop claimer. While (3) wasn't getting traction, I was pushing it, and town would be in a better spot tonight if we HAD lynched CR (again, guaranteed 100% no MCB KP).
You know who I pushed D1? NOBODY CUZ I WASN'T IN THE GAME YET
You know who I pushed D2? NOT REALLY ANYONE CUZ I WAS CATCHING UP, but I DID make clear posts showing why I thought ShiaoPi and FT were town.
If you think I haven't pushed ShiaoPi town, FT town, Palmar scum, oats town, CR scum this game, you're flat wrong and you haven't been reading. It's POSSIBLE that one reason you don't think I've pushed stuff is that I wasn't here at all for D1, and wasn't here for about half of D2.
I can't be responsible for not pushing reads during time I wasn't even in the game yet. However, at EVERY CYCLE since I've been caught up, I've both pushed correct lynches and pushed AGAINST mislynches.
Seriously. Just read my filter. Read my posts within the game context. Either, both.
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you think I am scum because of the oats thing? oh man. If you are town you have played a piss poor game, to be sure.
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On October 08 2013 15:07 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly has Austin pushed? rayn. I will save anything else for postgame or postflip, but here. Go and read my filter. I pushed Palmar. If you look D3, there are OODLES of posts between Pandain and I. We agree FT is not scum. He wants to lynch VA, I want to lynch Palmar. Look through D3 and watch me push Palmar over FT, and push him pretty hard. I'm trying to get votes off FT way before the modkill nonsense came up, because I was on Palmar that whoooooole day and trying to drum up support FOR palmar, as well as trying to push people OFF FT. Go read N3 and the start of D4. I'm on Chairman Ray. He or WoS is the last MCB, as I see the world, and I start the day off with a CR vote and pushing CR. The cop stuff came around and turned the day into that, but: (1) I was pushing CR scum and CR last MCB during the night; (2) I was pushing CR scum, CR last MCB during the early day; and (3) it seems pretty clear that I was actually pushing to lynch CR over a cop claimer. While (3) wasn't getting traction, I was pushing it, and town would be in a better spot tonight if we HAD lynched CR (again, guaranteed 100% no MCB KP). You know who I pushed D1? NOBODY CUZ I WASN'T IN THE GAME YET You know who I pushed D2? NOT REALLY ANYONE CUZ I WAS CATCHING UP, but I DID make clear posts showing why I thought ShiaoPi and FT were town. If you think I haven't pushed ShiaoPi town, FT town, Palmar scum, oats town, CR scum this game, you're flat wrong and you haven't been reading. It's POSSIBLE that one reason you don't think I've pushed stuff is that I wasn't here at all for D1, and wasn't here for about half of D2. I can't be responsible for not pushing reads during time I wasn't even in the game yet. However, at EVERY CYCLE since I've been caught up, I've both pushed correct lynches and pushed AGAINST mislynches. Seriously. Just read my filter. Read my posts within the game context. Either, both.
I can pull off probably 20 quotes from my/Grack's filter that say exactly same things about Palmar than your case. Also, as i just said, after SnB's flip, if you are scum, Palmar was probably town for you.
Then, on D4. If you are town the idea of lynching CR over Solstice was absolutely horrible. If you are mafia your team has probably concluded that he is the last scum and you have a possibility to save Solstice / look good by "defending" him and pushing another scum. win-win.
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On October 08 2013 15:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
you think I am scum because of the oats thing? oh man. If you are town you have played a piss poor game, to be sure. You say that, but boy howdy have people been flipping how I thought they would. Kinda neat, huh?
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On October 08 2013 15:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 15:07 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly has Austin pushed? rayn. I will save anything else for postgame or postflip, but here. Go and read my filter. I pushed Palmar. If you look D3, there are OODLES of posts between Pandain and I. We agree FT is not scum. He wants to lynch VA, I want to lynch Palmar. Look through D3 and watch me push Palmar over FT, and push him pretty hard. I'm trying to get votes off FT way before the modkill nonsense came up, because I was on Palmar that whoooooole day and trying to drum up support FOR palmar, as well as trying to push people OFF FT. Go read N3 and the start of D4. I'm on Chairman Ray. He or WoS is the last MCB, as I see the world, and I start the day off with a CR vote and pushing CR. The cop stuff came around and turned the day into that, but: (1) I was pushing CR scum and CR last MCB during the night; (2) I was pushing CR scum, CR last MCB during the early day; and (3) it seems pretty clear that I was actually pushing to lynch CR over a cop claimer. While (3) wasn't getting traction, I was pushing it, and town would be in a better spot tonight if we HAD lynched CR (again, guaranteed 100% no MCB KP). You know who I pushed D1? NOBODY CUZ I WASN'T IN THE GAME YET You know who I pushed D2? NOT REALLY ANYONE CUZ I WAS CATCHING UP, but I DID make clear posts showing why I thought ShiaoPi and FT were town. If you think I haven't pushed ShiaoPi town, FT town, Palmar scum, oats town, CR scum this game, you're flat wrong and you haven't been reading. It's POSSIBLE that one reason you don't think I've pushed stuff is that I wasn't here at all for D1, and wasn't here for about half of D2. I can't be responsible for not pushing reads during time I wasn't even in the game yet. However, at EVERY CYCLE since I've been caught up, I've both pushed correct lynches and pushed AGAINST mislynches. Seriously. Just read my filter. Read my posts within the game context. Either, both. I can pull off probably 20 quotes from my/Grack's filter that say exactly same things about Palmar than your case. Also, as i just said, after SnB's flip, if you are scum, Palmar was probably town for you. Then, on D4. If you are town the idea of lynching CR over Solstice was absolutely horrible. If you are mafia your team has probably concluded that he is the last scum and you have a possibility to save Solstice / look good by "defending" him and pushing another scum. win-win. Look. I don't care if you can pull out 20 posts from your filter or from Grack's.
Can you pull 20 posts from mine? Can you pull more than 20?
What if you can? What if I have more than 20 posts on D3 pushing Palmar? Is that sufficient? How many posts do I need to make pushing Palmar until you go, "Hey, austinmcc actually did push Palmar!" Did you look? Did you read them? Did you read my posts for the day, or are you saying that something didn't happen without checking?
If you're town, the idea of lynching CR over solstice was ABSOLUTELY 100% BETTER THAN LYNCHING SOLSTICE. If we lynch solstice, mafia is 2/1 and have what we assume is 3 KP tonight total. If we lynch CR over solstice, mafia teams are 3/0 and have 1-2 KP tonight total.
Are you really, really arguing that mafia having 3 KP is better than mafia having 1-2 KP? Because with the solstice lynch, there are 3. With the CR lynch, there would be 1-2.
And me personally, speaking as a townie here, think that situations in which mafia has LESS KP are GOOD SITUATIONS.
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On October 08 2013 15:14 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 15:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
you think I am scum because of the oats thing? oh man. If you are town you have played a piss poor game, to be sure. You say that, but boy howdy have people been flipping how I thought they would. Kinda neat, huh?
Kush-itis
the thrill of always being correct even if it loses you the game
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ALSO IF YOU CAN PULL 20 POSTS FROM YOUR FILTER AND GRACK'S FILTER THAT SAY THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THEN WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL YOU1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Like. You're town. Grack was town. IF I WAS PUSHING THINGS IN THE SAME WAY WHAT IS THE LIKELY CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT
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On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Austin, who's the other soft-claimed coop? I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list.
austin who was this and why?
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On October 08 2013 15:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Austin, who's the other soft-claimed coop? I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list. austin who was this and why?
nice catch bro
love when you do my job for me
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On October 08 2013 15:19 austinmcc wrote:
ALSO IF YOU CAN PULL 20 POSTS FROM YOUR FILTER AND GRACK'S FILTER THAT SAY THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THEN WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL YOU1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Like. You're town. Grack was town. IF I WAS PUSHING THINGS IN THE SAME WAY WHAT IS THE LIKELY CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT
You had Palmar as town before SnB flipped. After that you started pushing him. Why only then? Like, his play was shit the whole D1 and D2. As shitty as N2 and D3. Why magically after SnB's flip you started pushing him?
As i see this little thing called "he is probably town so i don't get killed by another scumteam next night and can safely push him"
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On October 08 2013 15:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Austin, who's the other soft-claimed coop? I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list. austin who was this and why? It was VA iirc. Between D2 and D3 his reads jumped around, he went from unsure on FT to basically sure of FT scum (based on snb flip, but could have been something cops did).
He was scummy on Pandain D2 and then busted out:On October 03 2013 07:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 07:10 Pandain wrote:
What about me Vayne. FT relies on meta and widow arguments but I'm objectively scummy I can't say why my read has changed on you unfortunately. have to wait. On October 04 2013 08:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
actually it makes him scummier austin, but I still can't say anything. ffs...
He had a couple more posts like that, iirc. Dropping little "I'm sure on x or y, but can't explain" or reads changing or posts about how he was holding back certain reads.
They read as cop soft-claims to me, or changes in reads based on night actions.
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that was me referring to Noire not being over yet. hence why I couldn't say that was pandain was scum over there and to compare it.
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On October 08 2013 15:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 15:19 austinmcc wrote:
ALSO IF YOU CAN PULL 20 POSTS FROM YOUR FILTER AND GRACK'S FILTER THAT SAY THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THEN WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL YOU1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Like. You're town. Grack was town. IF I WAS PUSHING THINGS IN THE SAME WAY WHAT IS THE LIKELY CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT You had Palmar as town before SnB flipped. After that you started pushing him. Why only then? Like, his play was shit the whole D1 and D2. As shitty as N2 and D3. Why magically after SnB's flip you started pushing him? As i see this little thing called "he is probably town so i don't get killed by another scumteam next night and can safely push him" Cuz he continued to do nothing, and he started off D3 by arguing about the ShiaoPi/FT vote swap bit.
If you read why I'm scummy on him, the amount of effort he puts into posting about something that matters as little as why he swapped his vote at the end of D2 really highlights the amount of effort he's NOT putting into scumhunting. That's what made Palmar scummy for me --> willing to focus on stuff that doesn't matter, not willing to focus on stuff that does.
I can't factor that into a read until he actually makes those posts.
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So do you remember it correctly or not?
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On October 08 2013 15:31 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 15:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 08 2013 15:19 austinmcc wrote:
ALSO IF YOU CAN PULL 20 POSTS FROM YOUR FILTER AND GRACK'S FILTER THAT SAY THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THEN WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL YOU1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Like. You're town. Grack was town. IF I WAS PUSHING THINGS IN THE SAME WAY WHAT IS THE LIKELY CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT You had Palmar as town before SnB flipped. After that you started pushing him. Why only then? Like, his play was shit the whole D1 and D2. As shitty as N2 and D3. Why magically after SnB's flip you started pushing him? As i see this little thing called "he is probably town so i don't get killed by another scumteam next night and can safely push him" Cuz he continued to do nothing, and he started off D3 by arguing about the ShiaoPi/FT vote swap bit. If you read why I'm scummy on him, the amount of effort he puts into posting about something that matters as little as why he swapped his vote at the end of D2 really highlights the amount of effort he's NOT putting into scumhunting. That's what made Palmar scummy for me --> willing to focus on stuff that doesn't matter, not willing to focus on stuff that does. I can't factor that into a read until he actually makes those posts.
But the fact is Palmar put zero effort into scumhunting on D1 and D2. D1 no effort Palmar should be enough to lynch.
Immediately.
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On October 08 2013 15:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So do you remember it correctly or not? As far as I know, yup.
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The only thing Palmar put effort in D1 and D2 was calling me and Grackaroni bad. And me scum.
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