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On October 08 2013 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Vayne, do you, WoS or anyone who played in Golden Sun and in Noire remember the difference in how town!Pandain pushes lynches compared to scum!Pandain?
Because i remember him not pushing any lynch in Noire, only arguing against lynches and having his vote on "right places". In Golden Sun i remember HAVING to HAVE TO LYNCH MY 99% townread because some stubborn people would not believe others..
Hmm, which does this game look like?
I checked out of Golden Sun pretty damn early honestly.
Can you explain what you're getting at?
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I think we can agree to lynch VA tomorrow.
If he's scum I'll push for WoS, I really didn't get a strong scum feeling from CC that I do from WoS. I understand you posted some analysis of CC Austin so I'll look over it tomorrow.
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On October 08 2013 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Vayne, do you, WoS or anyone who played in Golden Sun and in Noire remember the difference in how town!Pandain pushes lynches compared to scum!Pandain?
Because i remember him not pushing any lynch in Noire, only arguing against lynches and having his vote on "right places". In Golden Sun i remember HAVING to HAVE TO LYNCH MY 99% townread because some stubborn people would not believe others..
Hmm, which does this game look like?
i dont really know what you are referring to here but I thought he is scum for these reasons
- Tunneling. Does this a lot as scum, considers all options as town.
- Likes to defend townies as scum and claim credit for it, like with FT. he actually uses FT in Noire too, LoL!
- Does this thing where he goes through your filter and nitpicks stuff to make you look scummy. never did this in golden sun, i checked
- Why is he tunneling me so hard when im town wtf?? ---> golden rule of vayne (see chairman ray now, never fails)
- trying to team me up with WoS which is just so stupid like hahaha xD he actually thinks you will believe this?
- he has some killing BH fetish you mentioned? BH did nothing in noire ---> dead. Had everything wrong here --> dead
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On October 08 2013 14:29 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so it's possible that the other scumteam has 3 KP tonight if i understood correctly. I don't think you're reading it right. Generally, at least based on how other give up one to get two things have worked, you can sac 1 kp, whole number, and ONLY one, for 2 the next night. It's not usually a pure x2 formula, and the OP specifically states you can pass up 1 KP to get 2 the next night. I doesn't say pass up whatever to get 2x whatever. The drive by side should have 2. The non drive by side should have 1. VA and CC should be the mafia. Pandain is an outside option if one of them isn't, but I believe he's town. WoS very very very unlikely mafia now. Koshi, I would ask that you shoot VA or myself tonight. I trust you to make a decent decision within or outside of that, but here is my reasoning. You, as far as I can tell, think VA is town. You've got some doubts, some little things that bug you, but appear to think he's town. Dunno where you currently are on me. But here's the thing, VA and I appear to be ... entirely opposed. I've been calling him mafia. He's been calling me mafia. For a while now. Both of us would like to show that the other guy is mafia and that we're town. Not only that, but finding the townie betwixt us is important. It colors some other things, possible what to do about Pandain. If you shoot into us tonight, you confirm someone or kill scum. And if you confirm someone, we can be nearly nearly nearly 100% that the other one is mafia. It should also be relatively apparent that we are NOT the two remaining scum. This isn't a ploy to have one of us shot and the other skate through. You may not trust me entirely, but this is entirely sensible, and ensures that you pretty much get TWO reads off of a single action tonight. You have found VA townie, but he is not. You have found me scummy at times, but if we had gone with my plan of lynching outside the cops and lynching CR, we would have eliminated MCB (bee tee dubs, scum need all the night KP they can get, finishing off an entire team would be BAD for scum, and scum would not want that to happen) Any bus works, any shot works, but I think that by shooting into the two of us you get two reads for the price of one.
While I agree somewhat with your 'if we had gone with my plan' thing, I don't think it says all that much because I don't really think there was any way you were going to get the entire town to support you over Solstice, and I believe a scum Austin would know this. I've said this before.
I am unsure as to which of you or VA is scum, and a shot on one of you WOULD be good, but it presents the same problem as shooting me. If Koshi dies, it doesn't matter who he shoots, unless he hits scum because no one will be able to prove what he did.
I'd say leave the night action up to Koshi.
If there's one thing I can say about his play this game, at the very least he's been rockin' the cop.
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On October 08 2013 14:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:27 Pandain wrote:On October 08 2013 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 08 2013 14:22 Pandain wrote:
No, you didn't answer my question.
When it became evident FT was to become modkilled, votes could either go onto Palmar or Vayne. You voted Vayne.
However you did not support that vote or argue for others to vote for Vayne. In essence you had a useless vote and useless voice on someone you were heavily sure was scum.
Explain that please.
So did you. Unfortunately I was afk until the lynch happened. However, I was the driving force behind him even being considered for the lynch. So here we have a WoS vote on someone he was sure was scum versus someone he didn't know was scum. Rather then be normal town WoS he decides to herp derp the last 10 minutes of lynch and just hope people vote Vayne? Without supporting or arguing for it? When did I say I hoped people would vote for Vayne? I simply wanted to be on the lynch I was more sure of at the time. Palmar was getting lynched no matter what I did at that point, so I don't understand how sheeping a vote onto someone I said I couldn't read makes me less scummy. I've already explained I don't like sheeping. WOuld you like me to explain this again? I'm pretty sure I've said all this stuff about 3-4 times before if you look through my filter. Shall I find the posts for you? Want to ask me again in the hopes something changes or you can convince someone this time?
So you didn't hope people would vote for your scum read?
And no Palmar was not getting lynched no matter what. You were the first vote off of FT. You were leading the charge
From my count I it was 3-2 Palmar in the lead. Then VA voted Palmar, and you followed up with a vote on VA. It's 3-4.
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The night action is up to Koshi, but I think there's good reason to shoot into us. There are other good options, but I think this provides the MOST information.
We also will know what he did, because he'll tell us right before it happens.
If scum want to bother roleblocking him or vesting someone, they're short 1 KP. And they don't know if the vest is wasted, because they don't know if VA will get shot. They'd run the chance that they vest him, I get shot, they have a member outed AND lost a KP. Bad fo scum.
There's a teensy weensy itsy bitsy chance we're both town, but I just don't see things playing out like that.
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On October 08 2013 14:32 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Vayne, do you, WoS or anyone who played in Golden Sun and in Noire remember the difference in how town!Pandain pushes lynches compared to scum!Pandain?
Because i remember him not pushing any lynch in Noire, only arguing against lynches and having his vote on "right places". In Golden Sun i remember HAVING to HAVE TO LYNCH MY 99% townread because some stubborn people would not believe others..
Hmm, which does this game look like? i dont really know what you are referring to here but I thought he is scum for these reasons - Tunneling. Does this a lot as scum, considers all options as town. Only Tunneled You - Likes to defend townies as scum and claim credit for it, like with FT. he actually uses FT in Noire too, LoL! I wouldn't know who's town and not in this game - Does this thing where he goes through your filter and nitpicks stuff to make you look scummy. never did this in golden sun, i checked Probably didn't have time I do this all my games. - Why is he tunneling me so hard when im town wtf?? ---> golden rule of vayne (see chairman ray now, never fails) See my posts - trying to team me up with WoS which is just so stupid like hahaha xD he actually thinks you will believe this? See my posts - he has some killing BH fetish you mentioned? BH did nothing in noire ---> dead. Had everything wrong here --> dead This was one of Rayn's reasons I'm scum. It's honestly too dumb and not going to acknowledge it
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Koshi if bussing bypasses roleblock you absolutely need to bus either you or VE with scum.
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I welcome a bus or a shot I have no vest.
It would only prove my intentions sincere
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On October 08 2013 14:32 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Vayne, do you, WoS or anyone who played in Golden Sun and in Noire remember the difference in how town!Pandain pushes lynches compared to scum!Pandain?
Because i remember him not pushing any lynch in Noire, only arguing against lynches and having his vote on "right places". In Golden Sun i remember HAVING to HAVE TO LYNCH MY 99% townread because some stubborn people would not believe others..
Hmm, which does this game look like? i dont really know what you are referring to here but I thought he is scum for these reasons - Tunneling. Does this a lot as scum, considers all options as town. - Likes to defend townies as scum and claim credit for it, like with FT. he actually uses FT in Noire too, LoL! - Does this thing where he goes through your filter and nitpicks stuff to make you look scummy. never did this in golden sun, i checked - Why is he tunneling me so hard when im town wtf?? ---> golden rule of vayne (see chairman ray now, never fails) - trying to team me up with WoS which is just so stupid like hahaha xD he actually thinks you will believe this? - he has some killing BH fetish you mentioned? BH did nothing in noire ---> dead. Had everything wrong here --> dead
LOL
I just realized.
Anyone who thinks me and VA are on the same scumteam should look at a game where we actually WERE on the same scumteam.
I'll even link the QT!
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/UpsyZUEHVJXTU
I'll give you the TL;DR.
I played my usual townie, Vayne tunneled like one guy all game, and the two of us barely interacted. And when we did it was nothing like this. No rage, a mite of suspicion thrown back and forth. I think I counted like 4 posts where we interacted at all. Not even fucking close to this game.
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Different contexts don't prove anything Wave when you have totally different scenarios.
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On October 08 2013 14:35 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 14:27 Pandain wrote:On October 08 2013 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 08 2013 14:22 Pandain wrote:
No, you didn't answer my question.
When it became evident FT was to become modkilled, votes could either go onto Palmar or Vayne. You voted Vayne.
However you did not support that vote or argue for others to vote for Vayne. In essence you had a useless vote and useless voice on someone you were heavily sure was scum.
Explain that please.
So did you. Unfortunately I was afk until the lynch happened. However, I was the driving force behind him even being considered for the lynch. So here we have a WoS vote on someone he was sure was scum versus someone he didn't know was scum. Rather then be normal town WoS he decides to herp derp the last 10 minutes of lynch and just hope people vote Vayne? Without supporting or arguing for it? When did I say I hoped people would vote for Vayne? I simply wanted to be on the lynch I was more sure of at the time. Palmar was getting lynched no matter what I did at that point, so I don't understand how sheeping a vote onto someone I said I couldn't read makes me less scummy. I've already explained I don't like sheeping. WOuld you like me to explain this again? I'm pretty sure I've said all this stuff about 3-4 times before if you look through my filter. Shall I find the posts for you? Want to ask me again in the hopes something changes or you can convince someone this time? So you didn't hope people would vote for your scum read? And no Palmar was not getting lynched no matter what. You were the first vote off of FT. You were leading the charge From my count I it was 3-2 Palmar in the lead. Then VA voted Palmar, and you followed up with a vote on VA. It's 3-4.
Of course he was getting lynched.
FT was not coming back, everyone else wanted Palmar if not FT, and I didn't want to throw my vote away on a modkill, which is worse than voting on someone I believed was scum but in all likelihood wouldn't die.
ANything else Pandain? before your sentence is carried out?
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On October 08 2013 14:38 Pandain wrote:
Different contexts don't prove anything Wave when you have totally different scenarios.
K.
You go ahead and keeping nitpicking at things that fit your scumread of me and ignoring the rest.
Let me know where that gets you.
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Actually what are we talking about we're lynching CR tomorrow I don't even have to defend myself or prove you scum yet
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On October 08 2013 14:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:29 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so it's possible that the other scumteam has 3 KP tonight if i understood correctly. I don't think you're reading it right. Generally, at least based on how other give up one to get two things have worked, you can sac 1 kp, whole number, and ONLY one, for 2 the next night. It's not usually a pure x2 formula, and the OP specifically states you can pass up 1 KP to get 2 the next night. I doesn't say pass up whatever to get 2x whatever. The drive by side should have 2. The non drive by side should have 1. VA and CC should be the mafia. Pandain is an outside option if one of them isn't, but I believe he's town. WoS very very very unlikely mafia now. Koshi, I would ask that you shoot VA or myself tonight. I trust you to make a decent decision within or outside of that, but here is my reasoning. You, as far as I can tell, think VA is town. You've got some doubts, some little things that bug you, but appear to think he's town. Dunno where you currently are on me. But here's the thing, VA and I appear to be ... entirely opposed. I've been calling him mafia. He's been calling me mafia. For a while now. Both of us would like to show that the other guy is mafia and that we're town. Not only that, but finding the townie betwixt us is important. It colors some other things, possible what to do about Pandain. If you shoot into us tonight, you confirm someone or kill scum. And if you confirm someone, we can be nearly nearly nearly 100% that the other one is mafia. It should also be relatively apparent that we are NOT the two remaining scum. This isn't a ploy to have one of us shot and the other skate through. You may not trust me entirely, but this is entirely sensible, and ensures that you pretty much get TWO reads off of a single action tonight. You have found VA townie, but he is not. You have found me scummy at times, but if we had gone with my plan of lynching outside the cops and lynching CR, we would have eliminated MCB (bee tee dubs, scum need all the night KP they can get, finishing off an entire team would be BAD for scum, and scum would not want that to happen) Any bus works, any shot works, but I think that by shooting into the two of us you get two reads for the price of one. While I agree somewhat with your 'if we had gone with my plan' thing, I don't think it says all that much because I don't really think there was any way you were going to get the entire town to support you over Solstice, and I believe a scum Austin would know this. I've said this before. I am unsure as to which of you or VA is scum, and a shot on one of you WOULD be good, but it presents the same problem as shooting me. If Koshi dies, it doesn't matter who he shoots, unless he hits scum because no one will be able to prove what he did. I'd say leave the night action up to Koshi. If there's one thing I can say about his play this game, at the very least he's been rockin' the cop. If I were scum austin my activity would have been 1/2 what it was yesterday, because I'd be busy yelling at solstice in QT for claiming cop (except cc likely scumbuddy so whatevs).
If I were scum, I wouldn't have been trying to get CR lynched for ... more than 72 hours? BEFORE the whole cop thing I was trying to get him lynched. You know who needed him alive, needs him not lynched? Scum. DRB needs MCB ALIVE, so they have another KP tonight. They would rather lose 1 member than lose the other team. Think about that. I was pushing CR before the claim, CR was tied for lead with a whopping 2 votes, but DRB needs to ensure MCB stays alive for another NK. You can say I couldn't push the lynch off solstice onto CR, but I have been pushing CR, and pushing CR as the last MCB for long before the cop claim arose.
I also pushed oats as town. At every mislynch, I have undermined the mislynch of choice.
If I'm scum, I've actively pushed against ALL mislynches, pushed to lynch the other team out of existence, eliminating HALF of the overall mafia KP, and when VA flips mafia, would have been fighting for a while now with...my own buddy? The VA thing you guys don't see yet, but you will  (hopefully, please no throws)
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Also the BH killing fetish is pretty funny if true.
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On October 08 2013 14:40 Pandain wrote:
Actually what are we talking about we're lynching CR tomorrow I don't even have to defend myself or prove you scum yet
Gettin' ahead of the game, baby.
Wait so hold on...when people were trying to scumhunt for other people when Solstice was a sure thing, it was scummy of me to stay on Solstice.
Is not continuing to push your case now scummy too when we have a sure lynch tomorrow?
Oh dear, Pandain.
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I killed him one time wtf.
And it's cause he was one of the few vets.
Also anyone disagree with lynching CR tomorrow because if not then I'm going to rest.
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