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Palmar
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On September 27 2013 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote: There is no question. Good job Palmar. uh.. thanks? Hey, I have a question for you. What is VisceraEyes's alignment and why. And given your answer, try to predict what VE's next step in the game would be. Hint: there is a correct answer | ||
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On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote: We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day. This exchange is very, very interesting. First off, take note that everything FirmTofu has done in this game was done in a span of half an hour, ie: in a single session. This is important because he intentionally drifts away from his conclusion that can be seen in the posts above. He seems quite certain Grack is scum, albeit with little reasoning. But his logic is completely off. If he thinks the chance of Grack flipping scum is so high, why doesn't he pile on? After all, trying to scumhunt the entire team on day 1 is completely retarded, you find scum, and you run with it. On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote: Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi RNG debate. Statistically, it is a great idea to randomly choose a day one lynch. There are 6 scum between us. 6/20= .3 I don't think the best scumhunters among us can lynch with greater accuracy on Day 1 than 30%. However, I also don't think there is any method by which we can decide a fair way to choose a random kill. We would need an unbiased party to use random.org or something. We don't have any confirmed town, so discussing this topic is pointless. Lynching randomly is impractical and unfeasible. Stop wasting time discussing this pointless topic. Additionally, ShiaoPi is 100% not the only person that falls into this category. I don't particularly mind the ShiaoPi vote at this point, but note again the timing is important. Less than 20 minutes after calling Grack probable scum, FT is voting for someone else with equally awful reasons. Again, I don't mind voting ShiaoPi, but WHY does FT vote him over Grack? That's the important question here. Nothing in FT's posts explains his choice to do so, there is no logical reason for him, from the information he presents us with, to go after SP over FT, yet he does it. Also, I don't give a shit about you going to bed or reading other games FT, stop with the excuses. | ||
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On September 27 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote: Maybe to put pressure on SP? I don't find it scummy tbh. With limited time he could have voted Grack and then make a case on SP. Or just 1up grack and then make case + vote to give his case more value. If you think someone is scum you don't try to create a new bandwagon. If you another guy has more chance of flipping scum than someone who's already under pressure, you make a case that's you know.. actually a case, to convince people to follow your reasoning. As to your point about putting pressure on SP, do you honestly think that SP feels any kind of pressure from a random vote with no reasons to back it up, from a guy who has no influence on the game so far. Remember FT hasn't done anything to establish himself as a person that demands attention in town. Or are you merely saying FT is stupid and thinks that his vote holds more value than it does? | ||
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On September 27 2013 21:09 Koshi wrote: I don't think it is stupid at all. FT also says he will make a case if Grack leads in votes. I am not a fan of people playin this game 1 hour a day but FT made a splash and I dont find that splash scummy. What's the point of making a case on someone that is up for lynch. If said person is #1 or #2, he most likely has been discussed to death, so it's just a matter of coming to a conclusion on whether or not you agree with the current logic in the thread. Saying he "made a splash" is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened. FT made a quiet random vote with no reasons behind it that made exactly 0 people think twice about ShiaoPi. That is equally pointless as refusing to discuss Grack until it's too late to influence the discussion. So if FT wants to be useless and irrelevant, he's doing a splendid job. | ||
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Palmar
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On September 27 2013 21:34 yamato77 wrote: ? I thought this was Palmar posting, because of the P capital and the IT icon, but then I realized you're Pandain. I made the same mistake earlier and thought for a second "man I'm dumb" | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar are you planning on lynching mafia D1 even if you are scum? I haven't decided yet. | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno yet, leaning town. Interesting, should we lynch you? That's not for me to decide. | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:09 yamato77 wrote: I don't care much about this grack lynch anymore. It's too overtalked for my liking. Now we're lynching this dude for refusing to play the game. ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority Given this: On September 27 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote: I think Palmar is town. Shouldn't you at least show my points against FT the respect of offering input, anything? It seems very strange to not at least consider what my analysis means. I have never played with the guy so I wouldn't know if being awful is just what he does, how about you help out instead chasing policy lynches. If we policy lynch we can decide that much later in the day. | ||
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I think VE is town, that's given 2 scumteams... is that strange? | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it's impossible to have a town read on you at this point. Explain please? | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:17 Grackaroni wrote: Palmar you don't think it's possible FT thought too much discussion was focused on me and wanted to progress the thread? Why would he want to do that if he thinks you're "probably scum". That makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment). Given this, I really don't understand this: On September 27 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can yamato even say you are town Palmar? You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't? | ||
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Palmar
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On September 27 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i think it's suspicious that he declareas you town. In this game making sense in a townie way does not necessarily mean you are town, you might just be attacking another scumteam. yamato should know that your posting this far does not make you town. On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment). Atm i wanna lynch WoS. ##Vote: WaveofShadow The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it. The bolded sentences could be considered inconsistent, especially in the light that your suspicion on WoS came pretty much out of the blue while in the middle of an entirely different discussion. For someone who's willing to throw Oats a townread for basically nothing but being an asshole, I find it very surprising that you have a problem with yamato giving me a townread for making sense. That, too, seems inconsistent. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:32 Grackaroni wrote: FT has been mislynched day 1 in his 2 last town games. That reason alone makes me skeptical. I wouldn't know, never played with the guy. Maybe he's just bad. Doesn't mean I'm going to ignore it when he does stupid or strange things. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:54 Grackaroni wrote: But that should still be a factor for you when making your reads No it shouldn't. I'm not trying to kill him yet. When I'm trying to kill someone the whole thread knows. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful. That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you. What's wrong with my case on WoS? Are you saying i am not allowed to make a case on him when i am discussing something different? Why does the timing of my case make me scum? Was i supposed to make it in my first post, why? Whatever. Re: WoS case. Did you unlearn how to make and push cases since we last played together? If you throw a random vote with little reasoning or an unconvincing case behind it in the middle of something else going on, it's so pointless you might as well not do it. And I didn't say you were scum. I said you were inconsistent. This could be due to numerous other reasons, bad, lazy, don't care etc. Are you scum? | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is my case unconvincing? Count the number of people who have been convinced by it. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no reason for a townie to shit over the town in the beginning of the game and eclare the game is basically lost. There is zero town motivation in that. If you can give me one good reason why promoting badtown atmosphere is townie then i will reconsider my vote. I don't want you to reconsider your vote. In fact I agree WoS's entry post was absolutely awful. I'm not questioning whether or not you're right, I'm questioning your motivation and methods. I'm not trying to go after WoS right now, I'm trying to determine your alignment. So no, I'm not not going to give you good reasons for being awful, because there aren't any. What you have to demonstrate is why this suspicion should be considered over other people who've been mentioned as possible lynch candidates. It very well could be, I haven't paid much attention to WoS, and there's actually a great benefit of putting WoS under massive pressure, given what I know about his playstyle. | ||
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