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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
And I'd be willing to give him benefit of doubt that he's mannered up. However, people who focus on role set-up and what happened tend to be scum from my experience. I was found out for the exact reason of focusing on the night actions too much while trying to see reactive in Brighton Mafia | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 03 2013 12:53 s0Lstice wrote: I mean just look at that .gif. A man who eats his cereal like that has to be town. That's poor reasoning for some reason I think. I think you should vote Vayne now or tell me a better option so I can dissect you. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
On October 03 2013 12:54 Pandain wrote: That's partly his meta, though. And I'd be willing to give him benefit of doubt that he's mannered up. However, people who focus on role set-up and what happened tend to be scum from my experience. I was found out for the exact reason of focusing on the night actions too much while trying to see reactive in Brighton Mafia Every game I have played with Vayne..town or scum..he pubicly walks himself through night actions. This set-up is like a wet-dream for him. So many fun possibilites. I agree with you on Palmar though, let's kill him. Join me. Also, what do you think of Oats? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
You dare, you DARE to fucking ask me why I am not voting for Vayne? I think right now I might actually vote YOU ahead of Vayne. FT dies today. End of fucking story. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
On October 03 2013 12:56 Pandain wrote: That's poor reasoning for some reason I think. I think you should vote Vayne now or tell me a better option so I can dissect you. Well you see, that there is a joke. I'm cool with killing Palmar or Oats atm. Palmar for ignoring some pretty important filters (replacements) which flies in the face of the notion of him being an active participant of the town who is trying to solve the game. Oats for asking weird questions and not doing anything with them. He isn't screaming on every page to kill a tunnel target. Kill with fire. There was also a bit about him giving Rayn shit for giving Palmar a town read when he himself was operating under a Palmar=town assumption. When I actually have time to quote a bunch of posts I'll make that a lil more clear. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Who da 5th? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
I refuse to be shut down and believe FT is town. He always plays like this. Your reasons are weak. Besides his awful vote Palmar has been pretty town with contributions and logical posts. It's just suddenly he threw a sudden wrench and voted Shiao despite clearer suspicions on FT just to "prove Rayn wrong." Vayne is scummy for more reasons and it is more conclusive. That is the weirdest statement to remember of all time that someone always walks themselves through night actions I think you are trying to make justifications to not vote Vayne which are really weak. Let me approach it in several different ways: 1. Vayne will always end up becoming a hassle for town later as it is really hard to tell his alignment. In fact my only good read is that he's focusing too much on role actions and is revealing more information then town has. Failing this lynch, he will always be up for a lynch later which given this game scum will probably force anyway if Vayne is town. Better to get him out of the way. 2. Vayne is clearly not blue so that's a good thing. 3. Vayne has asked not to be checked despite before saying check me On September 30 2013 07:41 VayneAuthority wrote: I welcome the cops shooting me, it confirms town members and I have no reason to use my vest so it will refund the bullet. go for it. On October 03 2013 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote: don't check me guys 5. If you like OMGUS On October 02 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote: I am not sold on FT or SnB but the majority of the list you just posted besides that is scum Heavily contrasts with him today which, based on meta analysis of SnB flipping scum, is associative with FT being scum. Poor reason to change. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 03 2013 13:06 Pandain wrote: You could try and vote me but you'd probably be scum then as you have no justification. I refuse to be shut down and believe FT is town. He always plays like this. Your reasons are weak. Besides his awful vote Palmar has been pretty town with contributions and logical posts. It's just suddenly he threw a sudden wrench and voted Shiao despite clearer suspicions on FT just to "prove Rayn wrong." Vayne is scummy for more reasons and it is more conclusive. That is the weirdest statement to remember of all time that someone always walks themselves through night actions I think you are trying to make justifications to not vote Vayne which are really weak. Let me approach it in several different ways: 1. Vayne will always end up becoming a hassle for town later as it is really hard to tell his alignment. In fact my only good read is that he's focusing too much on role actions and is revealing more information then town has. Failing this lynch, he will always be up for a lynch later which given this game scum will probably force anyway if Vayne is town. Better to get him out of the way. 2. Vayne is clearly not blue so that's a good thing. 3. Vayne has asked not to be checked despite before saying check me 5. If you like OMGUS Heavily contrasts with him today which, based on meta analysis of SnB flipping scum, is associative with FT being scum. Poor reason to change. I'm not this arrogant so I don't think you're doing this on purpose, therefore I am not going to vote Vayne just to spite you. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 03 2013 13:01 s0Lstice wrote: Well you see, that there is a joke. I'm cool with killing Palmar or Oats atm. Palmar for ignoring some pretty important filters (replacements) which flies in the face of the notion of him being an active participant of the town who is trying to solve the game. Oats for asking weird questions and not doing anything with them. He isn't screaming on every page to kill a tunnel target. Kill with fire. There was also a bit about him giving Rayn shit for giving Palmar a town read when he himself was operating under a Palmar=town assumption. When I actually have time to quote a bunch of posts I'll make that a lil more clear. Ignoring filters isn't proof that someone is scum. You also assume that active participants must look at every filter. I'm ignoring Oats for a bit as I don't think he's quite indicative of scum yet | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
I will instead convince others and you may read what I post as well. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 03 2013 13:11 Pandain wrote: It was directed more at Solstice, you may like the first reason however; I don't think you're likely to change, however. I will instead convince others and you may read what I post as well. Solstice is 100% correct that Vayne always speculates on night actions as either alignment. However however however I refuse to believe you picked up on bluerole speculation and a few measly little posts today and you find those the only reason Vayne is scum. If you wanted to vote Vayne for scum you could have picked anything I brought up fucking DAYS ago and looked at it, but instead you make up your own shit case and push him like you're the first person to ever consider this possibility and act like this is the Wagon of Justice for the day. Vayne, you are one lucky motherfucker, scum or not, because Pandain has just assured that I will absolutely not vote for you today. Anyone else on my list is fair game. Looks like you survive to endgame another game! Maybe someday people will learn their lessons about you. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
On October 03 2013 13:06 Pandain wrote: You could try and vote me but you'd probably be scum then as you have no justification. I refuse to be shut down and believe FT is town. He always plays like this. Your reasons are weak. Besides his awful vote Palmar has been pretty town with contributions and logical posts. It's just suddenly he threw a sudden wrench and voted Shiao despite clearer suspicions on FT just to "prove Rayn wrong." Vayne is scummy for more reasons and it is more conclusive. That is the weirdest statement to remember of all time that someone always walks themselves through night actions I think you are trying to make justifications to not vote Vayne which are really weak. Let me approach it in several different ways: 1. Vayne will always end up becoming a hassle for town later as it is really hard to tell his alignment. In fact my only good read is that he's focusing too much on role actions and is revealing more information then town has. Failing this lynch, he will always be up for a lynch later which given this game scum will probably force anyway if Vayne is town. Better to get him out of the way. 2. Vayne is clearly not blue so that's a good thing. 3. Vayne has asked not to be checked despite before saying check me 5. If you like OMGUS Heavily contrasts with him today which, based on meta analysis of SnB flipping scum, is associative with FT being scum. Poor reason to change. Concerning the night action thing, If someone does something as both alignments its not alignment indicative. This is not a small point. Instead of fighting it you could actually go look and see if I'm right. past that...your points are: 1)he is hard to read 2)is not blue 3+4) said 'don't check me! lol .gif' 5) is the only real one with merit. 1-4 are pure garbage. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
On October 03 2013 13:10 Pandain wrote: Ignoring filters isn't proof that someone is scum. You also assume that active participants must look at every filter. I'm ignoring Oats for a bit as I don't think he's quite indicative of scum yet Elaborate on this. I don't agree that good active townies don't want at least some opinion on every player in the game. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
WoS you having done your own analysis and me not addressing it doesn't mean anything right now. I didn't read what you said because I was planning to drop out anyway and so didn't read the thread for a while. I have now done my own analysis. You 'promising' to never vote Vayne despite what happens and the points I make is clearly anti-town and you need to rethink your mindset. Solstice, I gave those points despite me not really agreeing them because they are conceivable arguments to advocate lynching Vayne which is my overall goal. However I do think 3-4 is an inconsistancy, don't think 5 has merit because OMGUS is bad, and think 1 is a good thing to keep in mind when deciding lynches. On October 03 2013 13:26 s0Lstice wrote: Elaborate on this. I don't agree that good active townies don't want at least some opinion on every player in the game. They don't have time and you're sadly wrong if they assume you do. There's a reason why for instance it's more important to always be analyzing rather then posting, and only post when you have reasons to. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
However Vayne is more likely to be scum then FT. FT is genuine town, albeit he plays different then you guys. I don't think I should really have to address this but I'm not saying like I created this all myself, merely that these are my opinions based on previous suspicions and these are what I think matters. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
If FT flips town, what will you learn from this? | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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