EPTAfter last game's anticlimactic ending I hope we put up a better showing.
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JonnyLaw
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After last game's anticlimactic ending I hope we put up a better showing. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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I'll be in and out through the night to check and see if we're gonna start today. | ||
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Considering the game was supposed to start a few hours ago I think you're both being very hasty here. Wait and the scummy players will expose themselves. | ||
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On September 25 2013 14:39 Jayte wrote: It's game time. Mafia, put your hands up now. Since he joined the game this is his sole contribution. Meh...not trying to contribute, just posting to say he posted. On September 25 2013 22:55 MLuneth wrote: Question: Can the town roleblocker block like a town vigilante / maf roleblocker roleblock maf? This is an odd question. Feels like someone trying to role call falsely in order to be above suspicion. Why not pm your coach or a mod? Mluneth's other post since joining + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2013 22:51 MLuneth wrote: Hey guys, let try and keep the jokes down a little, it just ends up clogging up the thread, something that just helps mafia. In terms of policy lynching a lurker on d1(and in general), I'm against it simply because it lets maf chill (as they know how we will act) rather then being on their toes and hopefully making mistakes that we can punish. As for my idea on on lurkers, I think pressure is key as there is really no reason for town to avoid discussion. Anyway, greetings from Australia  It's early but those are my impressions upon going through everyone's posts individually. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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As I said yesterday, I don't want to jump on people too quickly and start a band wagon. We don't know their time zones or when they're available to rebuttal. They're just two people to watch because their initial comments seemed a bit off to me. Mluneth's first post was very in-line with the conversation going on at the time. Still, his question was odd. | ||
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I want to see Blurry participating more but until he does I'm assuming he's trying to fly under the radar as scum. He has 3.5 hours to redeem himself. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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His first post was good but not enough to give any read. I really hope he contributes something soon because his lack of participation is hurting the game and his chances of surviving the lynch. + Show Spoiler [playerboy345] + He's been active in trying to move discussion forward throughout the game. Feels okay to me for now. + Show Spoiler [heavenz] + heavenz willingness to question people's reads puts him out there more than he may want at this point if he was scum. Again, seems all right to keep around for now. He's contributing and trying to force slips out of people. + Show Spoiler [onlywonderboy] + owb I've read most of your LOL material. You can write and critically think. WHAT did you like about playerboy's analysis in particular? What are your opinions on the other twelve players in this game? I'm not liking the read I'm getting here. + Show Spoiler [stormtemplar] + stormtemplar is looking scummy to me. He writes a lot and yet says nothing. He's basically said he agrees zaragon might be town, he doesn't know about playerboy and death to all lurkers while telling others to contribute more to the thread. He's trying to misdirect and confuse discussion rather than forwarding it which I do not care for. + Show Spoiler [Zaragon] + Zaragon has been making similar reads to my own throughout the game and pushing for strong participation. He definitely feels more town than many others in the game. His willingness to focus on particular people could mean he's trying to get attention away from himself and the rest of the mafia but for now it's too early to say. I give him the benefit of the doubt. + Show Spoiler [Balla24] + Balla24 reads fairly town. He's been agreeing with heavenz and Zaragon whom I also like for the town. I could be getting fooled here and there are two mafia in their threesome. For now, there's better options to lynch though. + Show Spoiler [xIvanJ is useless] + One outta 13 aint too bad boys. Hopefully our replacement can play. + Show Spoiler [Jayte] + Could be lurking as a mafia. I just can't read him from the level of content he's put out. + Show Spoiler [MLuneth] + I want to call this guy scum from my gut. I really, really want to do it. But re-reading his posts just make me think he's a bit hasty and not scum at all. There are grammatical errors, shortened words and that half written post he managed to post. I dunno, he doesn't feel like mafia at this point in the game. + Show Spoiler [BajaBlood] + Hasn't said a lot. Could be leaning mafia, but he's okay for now. + Show Spoiler [bereft] + I know he said he'd be busy but why is no one mentioning his inactivity? Still, not the best candidate for a lynch. Okay here's my summation. Blurry, bereft (who did say he would be busy), Jayte and xIvanJ are inactive. I still think we should look for a better lynch candidate for today. I like zaragon, balla24 and heavenz contribution but I might be getting fooled because they seem to agree quite often. But hell, they're reasonable opinions. Time to see where people cast their votes. I've read through stormtemplar's posts multiple times now. He literally says nothing in them. Firstly, I hardly think the "Lurker topic" was irrelevant. It was the discussion starter and what was going on in the thread at the time. I hardly think you can throw that away as, rather undercutting your point about my lack of contribution. Clogging conversation after being accused of being scum. However, as to your point about me just joining Zaragon on playerboy, no, not at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not really feeling zaragon's read on him. I'm not getting solid town vibes out of him at all. He's contributed rather minimally. (7 of his posts are 1-2 lines with maybe a quote.) I disagree and he's just trying to change the focus away from himself. Until he puts up a better defense of himself #vote stormtemplar | ||
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Currently xIvanJ, Blurry and Jayte all have one vote. I stand by the fact that voting them off TODAY is the correct decision. stormtemplar has shown scummy behavior and those three could still be town and contribute to the game. In three days I'm cool with voting them off if they're not active or they look like scum. But unless stormtemplar successfully defends himself in the next two hours I'm advocating that we lynch him. | ||
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Also, yeah, it's better to talk about something irrelevant right now than it is to just not talk about anything at all. He said this on day one. Fine, good, we should be discussing something. But it seems like he's stuck with that logic throughout his entire posting history. If he is not scum he's definitely not helping the town out in any of his posts. He reiterates what other people have said, and says vaguely I agree or disagree. He makes no opinions of his own and kind of rambles about inactive players. I want to know what he really thinks or why I should feel otherwise. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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Is it possible to move future voting deadlines ahead two hours? I think quite a few people are at work during this time. I'm not familiar with the specifics on policies such as this one. Thanks. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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Myrzeth...I dunno he just plays oddly. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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##unvote ##Vote MLuneth | ||
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JonnyLaw
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Lynching inactives gives us what? | ||
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storm said he'd be back home soon to give us a reason to not vote him out next time. There is that part as well. So much inactivity hurts when some players are putting in a lot of effort. | ||
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Glad to see a couple awols might make it back into the game. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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Bottom line is that we need more information and lynching an inactive player is not going to give us anything. And as for nervous posting, well not being able to edit a post is very hard. I read and reread what I have written and then post it and realize I have more on my mind. I'll get back to my reads in another post shortly but I want to look more into why someone wanted bereft out of the game. Which questions do we need to ask to read into it more? He voted jayte rather early and stuck with the vote. This is not a very good tell for anything in my opinion. He criticized myself a bit, and balla very harshly. Is this trying to be a clever ruse to try and start a bandwagon against balla? I'll look at it more as I go through the filters. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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Let me start from a couple days ago. In his write up on the players he claims + Show Spoiler [stormtemplar] + I think he is town, he made himself very clear on the lurker subject and asked me to elaborate when I wasn't clear enough. He also questioned the same thing I did - Zaragon not using arguments on his opinion of me. I haven't read anything of him yet that I could even consider a scumread, he just tries to force information out of others. At this point stormtemplar is yet to be confronted by anyone. Yet storm and playerboy casually agree with each other on a few points later. This means nothing if you think stormtemplar is town, which I do not believe. Fine, more evidence for you non-believers. On September 27 2013 06:41 playerboy345 wrote: Oh and might I add: Right now I'm thinking about switching my vote to Bereft as his last post basically has 0 content and he votes on a "safe bet" just cause why not? It's easy to vote for a safe bet - you don't have to do any analysis, just sit back and watch people die. He drops this subject and even goes so far as to praise bereft for his good read on onlywonderboy a few short hours later. On September 27 2013 16:22 playerboy345 wrote: Thank god I'm not the only one that thinks onlywonderboy is suspicious/stormtemplar doesn't look that scummy. I was getting worried :/ I'll look into BajaBlood's filter later today. I feel like he's trying to lay the blame elsewhere when bereft comes up dead in the morning. In bereft's last reads he's pressuring balla slightly and pushing playerboy a little bit. A couple posts ago I said myself as well but I was wrong when I reread the lines. All of this combined with his very timely post before we lynched MLuneth make me very suspicious. Note that was posted two minutes before the deadline. He had three other posts in the thirty minutes prior so clearly he was around at the lynch deadline and only chose to express his opinion once it was too late and did not elaborate as to why he felt that way. On September 27 2013 06:58 playerboy345 wrote: I'm not too comfortable with the MLuneth lynch to be honest, I really don't get that much of a scum read from him :/ Oh yeah, that onlywonderboy vote was odd when clearly he was not going to be lynched. There was time to jump on the blurry bandwagon easily. This may have swayed people to stay on blurry instead of going to MLuneth. It just doesn't add up. Zaragon expressed his views on why lynching MLuneth more articulately than I managed. Where he felt like blurry was a good pressure target, I felt similarly with stormtemplar. Blurry was never active so I didn't see an incentive to push him. Storm had been fairly active so I still think I had a very good target for pressure and lynching if he did not respond well enough. When the time came, not enough of you agreed with me. | ||
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He gives me a hard time, basically repeating what "pro town zaragon" said a couple posts earlier. This is fair enough since I tried to have him lynched. Then he tries to separate himself from playerboy. And for the rest he essentially says nothing or repeats what other have said in a non-accusatory manner. I just think he wants to fly under the radar and get attention away from the ties he had to playerboy and anything to do with bereft. A "he's town I wouldn't dislike him!" type of post. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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I was waiting on day 1 for you to make a post or say something that changed my opinion it didn't happen. I'm still waiting for that to happen to be honest. I don't want to lynch townies, but when someone seems scummy it's the perfect opportunity to get the town ahead with a good read. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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I said what I thought and you got so defensive about it for no reason. Plenty of people here called me out in earlier posts as well. I'm sorry for having a life and only being able to post 2 minutes before the deadline, I didn't f5 the page like my life depended on it because I was playing a game with my friends - when I came back it was almost time. When you posted three times in that 30 minute time span. ##vote playerboy345 We're backed into a corner where we have 1-2 days to get a vote right. You're making my gamble easier. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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I think it is. And I think we all are playing quite poorly to be honest. Backed into a corner is no place to be. This is a game of calculated risks and you're making mine less and less of a risk. Show me otherwise I'm happy to see clear evidence that someone is mafia so I can vote confidently. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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Is this game particularly hard to make reads because of all the inactives? Maybe I'm just bad. | ||
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Bajablood seems town. I'm almost positive to be honest. Zaragon, I hope he's town. Otherwise we got outplayed badly. Heavenz is either mafia getting lazy because they feel like it's GG or he's a frustrated townie because of the afks (as am I). I'm honestly a bit torn at this point. Heavenz has been eager to bandwagon people, but I've had similar reads. Until someone shows otherwise heavenz and playerboy are so very, very scummy. And if they're not then onlywonderboy is and we lose? | ||
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heavenz and playerboy seem much scummier in their posting. We're going lynch onlywonderboy for lack of content in a noob game? I dunno, give me some more reasons than that and I'm more than happy to hop aboard the lynch train. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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I'm going to keep digging and see what I come up with here. | ||
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##vote playerboy345 | ||
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JonnyLaw
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If owb is lynched and mafia we still cannot exclude them from also being mafia since we have three inactive players. He could be a sacrificial lamb to get pressure off them. Lynching playerboy is the way to go. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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and you suck slightly less than them. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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I'll be around most of the day if someone brings up something to discuss im more than willing. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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If you want my feeling on this game. I want to lynch someone who will give the town info by doing so. I wanted storm day1 and it was not going to happen. I thought Mluneth had a chance of being mafia; not high but a chance, and I played on it. I thought owb had a very, very slight chance so I didnt wanna make the same mistake. playerboy and heavenz; one is mafia. If we had lynched one of them yesterday it'd be easier to choose. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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I still think heavenz or playerboy or both are not town. Zaragon, stormtemplar and balla I'm not sure yet. I'll go through and come back with a stronger argument than they're scum because I said so! | ||
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Or is the mafia playing a smarter game than I imagined. Neither kill nor role block stormtemplar so we lynch him. What a slippery slope we have to climb. | ||
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I just don't get it though. If storm is rb why would they not block him? They trust he's incompetent enough to not rb correctly? It's that or he's lying. | ||
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I was willing to drop the accusation because it seemed to be going nowhere. I need to go over the filters again, I got caught up in work earlier today. There are some questions we need to examine. 1) Did anyone want to save xIvanJ over the other people who didn't play? 2) Did that person vote in a manner indicating scum? Late vote changes, suspicious activity near deadline aka playerboy. A bit of info to look at and consider. MLuneth (4): Zaragon, JohnnyLaw, heavenz, Balla24 onlywonderboy (3): playerboy345, Balla24, heavenz, Zaragon With Balla switching his vote to heavenz last minute.These facts are not concrete in making a case by themselves but just another piece to look at when considering who we lynch tonight. Also, curiously storm wanted blurry lynched day one and didn't vote for him then second day instead bandwagoned with me on playerboy before blurry was night killed. To be honest though, last night's kill was very smart as he obviously knew forum mafia better than most of us. I'm going to keep digging at people's actions and hopefully we get more conversation going tomorrow. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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Sorry I've been busy. Ill be here the two hours before voting tomorrow to discuss the game. If you have questions or new information to bring up I'm more than willing to digest it. | ||
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heavenz and playerboy have both acted in more questionable manners with their late voting, late advice and reads on votes and flipping their opinions in short time periods when nothing really occurred. For now, I'll follow along. I'm going to check their filters again to be certain I like where I'm placing what could end up as my final vote. ##Vote stormtemplar | ||
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JonnyLaw
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Also, congrats mafia scum you guys did well. And fuck it's just like I said in my last post; storm's just a bad townie similar to MLuneth. This is going to be my new online time killer. Thanks for the game and I'm just glad it wasn't Zaragon scum in the end. I had a nagging feeling he was laughing scum all game. | ||
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JonnyLaw
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Man, this game is fun. | ||
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