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On September 11 2013 02:02 kushm4sta wrote: raynpelikoneet Prepare yourself for a virtual FOREST of text. It's up to you to navigate that forest, but watch your step! Scum may be hiding, ready to trap you unaware. Can you lumberjack your way through the thicket of rayne's spam to find out if his forest is enchanted or cursed? ahahah- ^_^ Also don't forget: kushmasta Formerly the easiest read ever. When kushmasta is right he is scum, because he loves being right! When kushmasta is wrong he is town, because he doesn't read the thread and goes on with purely feel based reads! Don't be fooled by this however. Last game this guy actually decided to pay attention as town and nailed every mafia member on the wall! Which is it this time? | ||
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1) "This happened then that happened" 2) "These guys could be scum or they could be town" 3) "I wanna policy lynch kush in case i can't find a lynch target on D1. I however do not know kush's meta" | ||
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5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead? 5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?). 6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense! | ||
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Vayne is totally town, he is shutting down bad cases and arguments. SnB is most likely town too for what vayne said. | ||
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On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote: Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread. I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:19 kushm4sta wrote: ya and he's been on my scumteam before On September 12 2013 08:21 VayneAuthority wrote: yup ive played as scum with him in that same game, but he changed his meta in persona so I reserve judgement on him thus far Vayne, why did you answer debears' question twice and where did that bolded part come from? Nobody asked about any specific game. | ||
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On September 12 2013 20:32 Koshi wrote: Nha. Not at all. Desperate is the right word there. Agreed Pandain his post is terrible. Read what Grack, PS have to say. I agree. GK his opinion about the first major event this game was "it's silly". Nha, the guy hasn't proven shit, he can do better than be evasive. We are on different planets today rayn. About SnB: Could you elaborate more on the "desperate" part? About Pandain: That's not what i asked. I asked why do you see his opening post any worse than what OP has posted? About GK: "It's silly" comment is by no means alignment indicative. What do you think of his posts after that? Do you think his thoughts are valid or not? Maybe we are on different planets today because you are scum, who knows. I'm trying to figure that out. | ||
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Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question... Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's. | ||
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Uhh, we just talked about OP's post and his questions and you agreed with me they look bad. Are you now disagreeing again? Why? Do you think there is something useful he says in his post? If there is, can you point out what that is. Zealos: Pick two things that you find to be most important atm in this game and comment on them please. | ||
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On September 12 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote: What the fuck? I LIKE OP HIS POSTS! Read my first answer to you again... OH right you did. You also said "now his questions seem bad", i got confused. Anyways, is there anything else in OP's posts that is good besides the questions? I mean, there are like what.. 500 other words. | ||
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Pandain gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment. | ||
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On September 12 2013 21:45 Koshi wrote: (1) We follow the same line of thought. So I am happy with him. (2) His post directed towards WoS was very good, knowing that he just came off a conversation with VA and decided that wasn't his best target to pursue. Grack is on my do not lynch list. 1) Is there more than his read on Pandain and the WoS thing? 2) Could you elaborate more on why the post directed to WoS is very good. After re-reading the whole SnB--VA argument and all the players involved in it Grackaroni comes out definitely looking the worst and WoS the best. | ||
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On September 12 2013 22:26 Koshi wrote: 1) I know I was liking grack yesterday. I could look up again why if that helps you. Probably also because he didn't jump on SnB but jumped on VA instead. 2) You think WoS his case on Grack was strengthened after Grack defended himself? imo he destroyed WoS his case. rayn, what didn't you like about grack his defense after WoS attacked him? 2) No he did not. WoS had two points. - First one, Grack's answer is "That could be the case here". - Second one, doesn't prove WoS is wrong and Grack is right. WoS i think is focusing on wrong things on Grack imo. GK has the right approach. Grack says one thing, then he says something that makes the first thing invalid, and this goes on and on. Here: In all seriousness, you need to explain why you are confident SnB is town already this early in the game. Can you give me some reasoning? I never put much stock in my day1 reads, especially this early, so for somebody to come into the thread already certain about S&B's alignment seems scummy to me. If you've got a strong town read on day1 you should defend him. It's the fact that Vayne had a strong town read in the first place at that point in the game that is scummy.I saw nothing that gave me a strong town read on you which gives me the impression he is bullshitting. It's becoming more and more clear to me that Vayne is a very different player than myself so I will take that into consideration. He argues for 2 hours about someone having a different playstyle than he does. Also Vayne explained his read. -"vayne is scummy for having a strong read on someone" -"i don't put much stock on early reads" -"so grack, are people scummy for having strong reads early on?" -"no, actually vayne is not scummy, he just plays differently than i do" No shit Sherlock? | ||
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On September 12 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote: Grack says that because he never has strong reads on Day 1 it looks scummy to him that VA is capable to have strong reads. Grack questions VA about it and then drops his suspicion on VA because he accepts that VA is different than him and possible can have strong reads early on. You disagree? Yes i disagree, here is Grackaroni's post: On September 12 2013 08:01 Grackaroni wrote: In all seriousness, you need to explain why you are confident SnB is town already this early in the game. Can you give me some reasoning? Vayne's reasoning is right there. In the post Grack quoted. The question is worthless in the first place. How can you not accept that someone can have strong reads early on in the first place? Instead of thinking this as a possibility Grack calls VA scum for having a strong read (when in fact VA just plays differently). There is nothing suspicious in Vayne having a read. Grack never calls out Vayne's reasoning, he calls out the read. TLDR; He is saying "you can't have this read and therefore you are scum" until many people point out that's stupid. Then he covers it up by saying "oh, he just plays differently than i do". Like what? When you enter a game do you assume everyone has the same mindset you do? | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:19 Grackaroni wrote: I generated lots of discussion on Pandain. You just chose to ignore it and shift the topic to OP. I don't think OP's questions were particularly useful but it was early in the game so I'm fine with that, what bothers me about him is that he is posting in a manner that makes me not want to read him. If he doesn't start consolidating posts I will be much less confident about his alignment. That's what i am saying about him. Thousand words that say nothing. Also could you comment on what i asked you to elaborate on, and the other things i wrote about you? | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:24 Grackaroni wrote: I hate having to keep going back to this because then jub jubs go, "OH, GRACK'S DEFENDING HIMSELF. SCUM!!!" The reason I talk so much about this in my filter is because PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT. Filter S&B and look at the posts he made prior to me asking him what he thought of Vayne's strong town read on him. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that S&B is incapable of making those posts as scum, so for Vayne to walk in at that point and say he had a strong town read was scummy to me. I am a bit lost here. Do you think Vayne is scummy or not, because that's not clear to me? | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote: @Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. I agree with some points he brought up against you: I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad 1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions. 2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this: 2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"? 2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack? 3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit. 4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts. 5. That's certainly not what Pandain said. 6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case. Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though. Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier? | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote: @Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. He seems like an over-zealous townie to me who is calling you & Koshi scum for wrong reasons. | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:58 Grackaroni wrote: @Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread. yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only. On September 13 2013 00:54 Grackaroni wrote: lol please don't make me read through that guys posts This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier.. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:00 Grackaroni wrote: what exactly in his posts reads townie to you? The way I see it he is just grasping at straws in order to paint me as scum. and less experienced players are more prone to jumping on kush as a scum read because he is blatantly anti-town. (note not scum, anti-town) The way he approaches the game. Aggressively and calling people out with weak reasons, not being afraid of drawing attention to himself. He's either town or very good scum. I think the former, do you know if he's good as scum? | ||
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Have you ever read his posts? Look at his filter from Aperture for example.. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote: I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts. Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion. Oh sorry, i missed this post: On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote: There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something. If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him. I don't think you are right. His read on VA is not following the thread sentiment, for example you yourself think VA is not necessarily town, as do other people. His read on GK is not following the thread sentiment, most people thought GK was scummy because of that comment, i agree with Pandain. His reasoning for the read on SnB is shit as said earlier. His read on OP is golden imo. Everybody should vote for that guy. His read on you is not following the thread sentiment, i can understand why he thinks what he says about you, i do not agree with him though. I am not even gonna go to the kush read. Kush needs to be given time. He either starts playing, if he does not, we lynch/vig him. Discussing/pressuring him does nothing good. I can however understand his policy. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:05 Grackaroni wrote: No I don't think he's really strong scum. I think calling out people with weak reasons is a big case for why Blubdavid is scum. Well you have answered his case, so has Koshi, let's see what he brings up next. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:15 Grackaroni wrote: His read on me was following thread sentiment, I believe Vayne and WoS both called me scummy before this. I could have been wrong about GK. Could you respond to my biggest point in my post about Blubdavid about him not exhibiting a townie mindset. The quotes of me he posted didn't point towards me being scum. He decided in his head beforehand that he was going to call me scummy and then cherry picked quotes and inserted a scummy twist on them. You might be right, that's why i want to hear from him. You might also be wrong, that's why i would not comment on it yet, if you get what i mean. :D I wanna hear him first, okay? | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:22 blubbdavid wrote: I didn't comment on point 2 because I don't disagree with Grackaroni there. Pandain's townreads were mainstreamlined at that time. (or better: Pandain's townreads were similar to mine, so I had not too much reason to interfere) Point 6: Tbh I don't know myself why I didn't comment on this one, yes Grack seems to be wrong in this case. 2/3 of my choice in lynchtargets weren't on the bandwagoning side, I chose you additionally because you tried to shoot down Paindain's big post pretty strongly. And no, that what I did wasn't cherry picking. More like your post on Panda was cherrypicking. 1) Why did you not say clearly why you thought / think(?) Grackaroni is scum? 2) Why the retarded connection case? 3) Why exactly is Koshi scum? | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote: 4-person scumteam is much harder to nail than 3 person scumteam at game start. lame, I thought I was gonna be the hero by calling blubbdavid, pandain and papa_smurf scum (in order of certainty, last is *starsenses*). Oh well at least BD is around lets hear what he has to say. debears could be scum. All he did was to enter an argument with Vayne that honestly was crap. There was also nothing to achieve from that argument in the first place.. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:38 Sn0_Man wrote: Well duh. Starsenses are never wrong. Meanwhile I'd like to remind the vig that he is shooting onegu tonight. Please don't call vigishots now. Find scum instead. Also if you have yet to read, read this (we should both learn from this): + Show Spoiler + If you were in the game from D3 -> you would see why Sno's read on yamato was what it was. By proxy, you would also see why we lynched Sno instead of pretty obvscum Onegu. It's easy to yell from the obs QT. You are not frustrated because someone refuses to play the game for 5 days straight. Even if you can look past that you can't look past the other guy who couldn't look past that. Then everyone seems so fucking scummy for whatever reasons you miss the fact that someone pretty much claims scum in thread. Even when another dude points it out you are paranoid because he has refused to play the game for 5 days when you were trying to play your fullest to solve the game. Then this same guy calls you repeatedly bad after you have been leading two mafia lynches in a row when he was having a tea party in lurker land. It's a different thing to call the obvious things from obs QT when your ass is not in the line any more in the game. Onegu will tell about his alignment sooner or later. Don't call a vigi shot on him just because he "fooled" you in the last game (which he in fact didn't even do - we were both just too tunneled on wrong people). | ||
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Onegu is not bad/useless as town. That's weak reasoning and your emotions from last game are blinding your judgement. | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:07 Sn0_Man wrote: *STARSENSES* also scumslip or something READ THIS WHOLE QUOTE CHAIN PLEASE. He's excusing pandain pretty hard then a soft-backoff Basically, its mega weak association garbage that I threw together to make a scumteam that then failed because there are 4 not 3 scum. He's not on my lynch list today, but he's scummier than null. BD and to a lesser extend panda tho... lol @ starsenses. lol @ scumslip - he was obv referring to him revealing himself as debears You have a point in him defending Pandain and then backing off of him. Actually why back off, it was all good (imo) when he defended Pandain, i think Pandain has made good posts (- the kush/SnB bullshit). I would say he looks scummy because of his argument with Vayne, i don't think it makes any sense and i don't see a reason for it. | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:29 blubbdavid wrote: 1) I think Grack is scum because 1. his jumping at Panda, though that doesn't make for a very strong case, and 2. the retarded connection case. 2) The connection between Grack and kush? Because in another game I once defended my bad scumbuddy in the same manner as Grack did here, leaving it for the vig. Imo, both vigs and lynches should be used on players we can analyze. Grack clearly doesn't want to see kush lynched and delegating the task to the maybe existing vigi nonchalantly. Grack, out of onegu and kush, who should be vig'd? 3) SnB's post is not a scumslip. Koshi's unvoting really makes me more suspicious now, even though I sometimes was losing grip at Koshi's case. Atleast I am not giving up to peer pressure. 1) Okay, reasonable. 2) No, the connection case on Grack and Koshi, the one you back up with two quotes when you vote for Grack. 3) Yes, SnB's post is not a scumslip. However, how does Koshi saying so make him scum? Townies make mistakes all the time and cling on flimsy stuff. Why can't Koshi make that assumption from town!pov and how is him backing off now a scumtell? Can i say you are scum because you make connection cases pre-flip (that really is stupid). | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:35 Koshi wrote: I think he meant himself. Not certain. lol. Yeah that's why i asked. :D | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:40 Grackaroni wrote: I think I've got some decent points and I'm not going to be able to get over them until Pandain comes back into the thread and clarifies things. This is wrong, Pandain never said you should be lynched, he said "bad, NOT SURE IF SCUM". That does not mean he has a scumread on you and about half of the playerbase is apparently misrepresenting him. you are right, he should come in and talk himself. I do not think blubbdavid is scum. Why is everyone unwilling to look at Old Partner's post. Am i wrong when i say all his posts say is this: Really, what i see is two big posts that say: 1) "This happened then that happened" 2) "These guys could be scum or they could be town" 3) "I wanna policy lynch kush in case i can't find a lynch target on D1. I however do not know kush's meta" IF i am wrong, tell me why? If i am not, why is this not a good enough reason to vote for him? | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:38 Grackaroni wrote: @Blubbdavid, If onegu doesn't start playing then he is a solid vig shot as well. I've played with kush before and I doubt he is going to start playing at this point, but there's no way of reading him so it's a waste of a lynch. We don't use lynches on anti-town players we use them on scum players. If we pushed lynches on players such as kush who play anti-town regardless of alignment, then everybody would be in agreement and drop their vote on kush and we would have no information for day2 You are the only player I can remember arguing that kush is likely scum. Everybody else is voting for kush as a policy. To punish kush for playing the way he does and to discourage him from playing like that again in future games. This is bad and wrong. We lynch people who are not willing to help town. Getting rid of distractions sooner is better than thinking if we can get rid of them anymore later on. | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:51 Sn0_Man wrote: Did you read what I said on OP? I said theres no way he can keep that up and look town as scum so if it drops off we lynch him and if he keeps it up he could be a huge asset to town. No reason to lynch him D1. I am not following you here. We have a guy here who made 1000 words post that says absolutely nothing. Are you saying if he keeps doing the same he is town? | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:55 Sn0_Man wrote: If he keeps making 1000 word posts he will either slip somewhere or he will be obvtown. Its like marv, you don't lynch him day 1 but if he keeps being useless you nail him eventually since its obvious when he isn't catching scum. Not quite the same but a similar idea. Uhh.. look. He summed up the thread happenings. How can you "mess up" by doing so? He gave not a single thought that could be considered to be contributing. He said "i am okay with policy lynching kush but i don't even know the guy, i base my opinion on what other people say about him!! That's bullshit. There are atm 4 people who have contributed absolutely nothing and are not helping: Old Partner - made 2 posts with "content" Zealos - I even asked him to "pick two most important things in thread atm". He failed and gave some stupid comment and fucked off Onegu - apparently has internet problems, no solid read on him, does not make him scum kush - useless atm, but that's how he is and it does not make him scum, need to hear more from Now, Old Partner and Zealos are decent lynches from those people atm. I think vayne is town, aswell as blubb, Grack, and you. Slight town on Pandain, SnB, GK, they need to post more. Null on Koshi, WoS (and obv kush & Onegu) Leaning scum on debears. | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:01 Papa_Smurf wrote: One more thing. Vayne and I seem to be thinking along the same paths. That's a good sign. Grack has constantly been along my line of thinking. good sign. As of now, I will be down for a blubb lynch and kush lynch. I remember you as a guy who is not hopping on easy lynches. You are a guy who gives reasoning for his reads and acts based on it. You have a valid point on kush (in your other post), however discussing it is useless. Why is blubb scum? Can you comment on my case on Old Partner? | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:04 Papa_Smurf wrote: Final thing This is a pure policy on raynp If rayne EVER in game says he fake claims, we are lynching him on the spot. No questions asked. He heavily messed up the last game for town by his fakeclaim shenanigans (fakeclaiming 3 times apparently since the host said he never got shot). MAKE SURE WE LYNCH RAYNP IF HE EVER FAKECLAIMS Actually. Explain to me how i messed up the game and how you come to a conclusion i should be policy lynched if i fakeclaim? Also why can't i fakeclaim as scum, as your post suggests that you know i am town already (read the policy-word)? | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm leaning scum tbh. Even though I hate rayn's claims with a passion its probably not unreasonable to say that they cause some amount of uncertainty to the scummers who would probably not mind doing without. Although rayns reads this game are even worse than most of his other games (apparently thats even possible) so there is that. <3 Who's found scum in last couple of games and who's not? *Ego* | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:28 Papa_Smurf wrote: As I recall I found 2 scum in desert, one of them got derailed by you and your fucking mason claim with oats. Then, in aperature, I caught a scum without reading. You didn't catch any. Game and match I was talking to Sno, but still: Your Sylencia wagon on D1 (which i agreed with) was derailed by Oats wagon, who i saved in the end. Anyways this is pointless. | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:34 Papa_Smurf wrote: My point is simple Stop waving your dick around in people's faces like you are better than them. Your play was unacceptable in Desert. Your play in aperature was terrible. You aren't as good as you fucking think. Get over yourself. Relearn how to play. Starting with your playstyle. Post less and think more. Maybe then you will actually be good *note to everyone* - this is me just bitching at him because I've had to deal with this for two games straight. He needs to be put in his place by somebody, regardless of his alignment this game I'll say this once and only once, and i hope you never bring this matter up again. I do not think i am some fucking god who is above all others. If someone says i did something wrong i am able to understand it, there is no need to fucking yell it straight to my face with invalid arguments. I make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, there is no reason to call someone retarded or terrible because they make mistakes. I am learning all the time, but the truth is no matter how good you/me are, there is no fucking reason to call me names because of something i did in any game. You need to learn from marv in that matter. I had a long talk with him about Desert game, nobody called anyone names, it was constructive. I accept constructive critisism, i do not accept bullshit based on nothing. It may be that you are a lot better than i am, but it's not me "waving my dick here", it's you who is doing so. | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:47 Papa_Smurf wrote: yet you asked why is blubbers scum? and I will talk to you in postgame about your play in desert and here thus far I have explained why i think he is town, if you have read the thread you should know it. Can you answer my questions post? | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I remember you as a guy who is not hopping on easy lynches. You are a guy who gives reasoning for his reads and acts based on it. You have a valid point on kush (in your other post), however discussing it is useless. Why is blubb scum? Can you comment on my case on Old Partner? + 2 questions. 1) Why are you shitting up the thread for no reason? 2) What's wrong with my play in this gmae? Does it make me scum? How? | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:54 Sn0_Man wrote: This was a serious question rayn. Lynching you doesn't seem as unreasonable as I had thought. I'm wondering where your famous day-1 tunnel has gone? its almost halfway through day 1 already. So what, i need to tunnel a townie to not get lynched on D1? Is that what you are saying? I don't see where you are heading with this so could you please clarify? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:03 Sn0_Man wrote: I've never played with you where you weren't certain you'd nailed scum day 1. It doesn't feel like you, so I'm wondering if this is some sort of "new you" based on chats with marv or if this is some sort of scum afraid of looking bad so avoiding any kind of ridiculous tunnel. Alternately scum you unable to enter the "X MUST BE SCUM" mindset that you use when you are town. In my past scum games i enter that too, let it be my scumbuddy or not. I am trying to play so that people would actually listen to me instead of calling me retarded for the first couple of phases. Does that make me mafia? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:04 Papa_Smurf wrote: start reading please Right. Does this make him scum? My argument throughout the day has been that OP has been bringing up the exact same invalid points - besides this NOTHING MORE! How is Pandain more suspicious than OP? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:06 Sn0_Man wrote: When are scum wrong? Not very often TBH. We are calling it scummy since its weak contribution, looks really framed (tryhard thread entry is scummy) and the fact that he instantly recanted and peaced is very very weak. So weak contribution when you have not played with these people in ~1yr is better than same bad arguments (besides the good ones) and nothing more? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:10 Papa_Smurf wrote: 1)Remember how OO wanted to lynch me for being useless, then voted me. Pandain did the same thing with kush. 2) Then he called someone town and suspicious in the same post. That's definitely awkward if he is town. 3) And his reasoning for his townread on SnB is totally off. so 1) is scummy 2) is weird as hell for a town to say 3) is bad logic See what I'm gettin at? I'm gonna go to sauna for ~15min now. I'll explain this after. I don't however understand how you think like this in case you are town. Please wait for my post. It'll be here soonish. | ||
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Your points of Pandain being scum are: 1) His town read on SnB based on bad reasons 2) policy lynch kushmasta because not helping 3) stance on Zealos (town) and then calling him a good lynch because lurker Now let's compare Pandain's / Old Partner's posts: + Show Spoiler + Pandain: On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote: I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles. Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them. VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time. GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction) I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move. Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread. Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says. I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though. Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. On September 12 2013 14:03 Pandain wrote: Ignore this post except for one key point I realized so we can stay on track of what matters: lurkers. Zealos's post doesn't mean anything I think; I think he was referring to his name in the mythical realm known as real life. Wouldn't make sense otherwise. Also kush I'll probably change from you, I was once the huge spammer too. I'll just ask you to step it up. Old Partner: On September 12 2013 12:31 Old Partner wrote: Wow, so this started! I've finally read up to the most recent page, so here are my notes so far and my statements and questions. + Show Spoiler [notes] + Up through P6 Koshi says policy is "lynch scum". joking? meaningful? what does this mean. says that grack is not a troll. votes SnB for saying "ok but how will you make sure the rest of town doesn't lynch not scum" in response to policy post. wtf? SnB notes PS is coaching a newbie game and asks about it. This is actually pretty next-level and tells me he is town. why is PS and Koshi voting SnB for trying to figure out who PS is? SnB noticing PS in a newbie game and making this connection... means he is probably town. This kind of extra level of thinking is something a town who is honestly trying to figure things out would do. Grack is policy lynching kush. I am okay with this-- kush is illegible. TL towns don't policy lynch nearly enough. P7 Koshi's thing about SnB's word choice is stupid. his word choice being different could be because he has a different alignment, but could be do to any other number of variables, including being presented with a novel "policy" Kush is trolling and I feel stronger about grack's policy vote on kush. His aggression towards kush seems a little over the top but it's okay. Vayne comes in and is actually making a lot of sense. I'm glad he was here at this time. Papasmurf swapping votes to VA seems pretty obviously a knee-jerk reaction. Judging from his word choice, high post count, and the way he moves his votes in response to innocuous statements, he is probably BH. I know you think this kind of thing is real pressure BH/PS, but it's really not. all it does is make your vote meaningless. I revise my read in papasmurf from scummish to townish if he is really BH-- this is how BH plays as town. Vayne's post #137 further reinforces my idea that he is town. His questions are good but don't take into account who papasmurf is. I don't like SnB's #138 though. His responses aren't really meaningful and dont' promote discussion, but it looks like he's contributing. If SnB is scum, I'd be more convinced by hist post #138 than by the other posts he's made before that. P8 Papasmurf is being typical blazinghand in his argument with VA. VA equivocating in post #143 sounds like backtracking, but when you've got PS/BH on you for every little turn of phrase, posts like that get made. Still, a point against him. What is Koshi saying here? SnB's post here isn't scummy but it's not very well-thought-out. why ask all these questions in one post? of course you don't find someone defending you worrying, because he's DEFENDING you. VA's defense is reasonable and people's attacks on SNB prior to P7 second half are unreasonable, but VA has definitely defended SnB on relatively shakey grounds with SnB only had two votes on him. Who is SnB to say that VA wasn't "trying to be right" as so many scum do? What we have here is SnB 'wants' VA to be town, because he doesn't like the idea of being defended by scum. Not saying it's true/false, but SnB what you're doing here is stating a conclusion then looking for evidence to back it up, rather than the other way around. PS/BH with the classic "dumb or scum" statement. P9 VA's "my two cents" and "lol" strike me as odd in 162. Would you say that as town? off-handedly, sure. I like VA for town still. I could see him diffusing tension after this, though. I have questions for him. WoS's inactivity claim strikes me as very convenient. This should be considered a mark against him regardless of circumstances. GK's entrance is solid. It's the kind of question someone who just caught up reading would ask-- he's actually reading the thread for sure. So, now that I'm caught up, a few statements and questions S + Q 1. I know this game is very conversational, but all the spam and one-lining makes it difficult to read and analyze. Some people have that style, and it doesn't take that much longer to read, but it will take me a little bit of time to get used to it. I am glad that people are getting involved! 2. Yes, I am a smurf. I have played on TL before and thought I could use a new start... the hosts know about this and are okay with it. 3. I know we're long past policy, but since I am a smurf and don't have a history written out of what policies I like, here are my thoughts on policy: i. TL towns do not policy lynch enough, not by far ii. the policy lynch should be used D1, not any time close to lylo, since the d1 lynch is the least useful iii. the policy lynch must be stated with full willingness to follow through, and mislynch, as a result iiii. policy lynch should be used on fake-claimers, liars, lurkers, and players whose play is generally unacceptable. v. I may have a scumread today I consider more strongly than a policy lynch. I will be open as possible with my reads and thoughts so that i can be convinced, and convincing. I think our best play on D1 can be to policy lynch though... it makes play stronger. I am aware this is a controversial opinion, but it is also a good one. If you disagree with me, that is okay 4. This is @vayneauthority: despite the fact that you have interacted obliquely with Koshi, you do not mention him ever. Do you think he is town, or he is scum? What do you think of his initial vote on SnB for questioning his "policy" of lynching scum? What do you think of his "policy"? Why haven't you weighed in on him yet? 5. this is @SnB: you think koshi is "uncomfortable" and "projecting"... and you also say he is "silly". do you have a scumread on him or not? 5.b this is @SnB: what do you think of VA, in light of my notes on him? Would you say your perception of him is colored by his defense of you? taking that into account, do you see why he is viewed as scummy? 6. this is @papa_smurf: why did you smurf into this game? Are you really BH? After you unvote SnB you don't mention him again. Do you still have a scumread on him, or do you think he is town because VA is scum? On September 12 2013 13:07 Old Partner wrote: now I am really caught up! More statements and questions accompany these notes. + Show Spoiler [P11 and P12 notes[/spoiler] + P10 GK's question of grack is reasonable grack's response is also seems reasonable wow, I really like GK's followup analysis/summary in post #183. I hadn't realized this sort of contradiction in grack's reasoning. After all, it does seem weird for VA to have a strong townread so suddenly, but he did give a reason. the natural point to turn on thwn would be to engage that reason in discussion/analysis. WoS's followup looks town-motivated to me. I don't like that he calls SnB's unusually strong effort not-townie. SnB seems like a somewhat obvious town to me at least in terms of how he's thinking. If his usual level of effort is less than this, and he stepped it up, he should be town. WoS could really not know what to think of this, but i dont' see why this would not be a towntell for SnB. I haven't been paying an appropriate amount of attention to grack, and WoS's read looks like a solid one to me. He is jumping the gun by voting on small evidence, but perhaps that is his style-- all ##vote and no ##fos. I will be interested to see his target's regracktion to this attack. A standard call-out of a /confirmer and a name-claimer, nothing too special at the end there. Overall, I am less interested in a WoS lynch today after this post. If he will be posting like this regularly he is worth keeping around. His statement on Kush intrigues me. I am not familiar with Kush's meta other than that many players consider him bad/trollish. I don't understand VA's non-3p read. That's not a useful read to make at all. 8( Ah, here we see debears smurf-slipping, as mentioned to me. Papa_smurf, what a chump! VA is backtracking and equivocating again. This is not what I would expect a town player to do. his response to the debears smurfslip is immediate suspicion based on... lying? P11 It looks like now there is a discussion about Aperture mafia and these players interacted there. PS/DB's read on VA's early strong read (something that scum would do, say, on a townie to collect towncred) is supposed to not make sense given that PS/DB played with VA in Aperture. I'm not sure why PS/DB backs off from VA here. 1. @VA, if you are accusing PS/DB of not understanding your meta and hiding that fact based on events in Aperture, you should quote, link, or otherwise point us towards the incrongruity. 2. @WoS, I would like to know about your read on SnB. SnB's finding out that PS is coaching a newbie game, then asking him about it, strikes me as townie. After all, making that connection is not something he'd have to do as scum. Townies inherently are trying to find things out about the game, whereas scum are trying to conceal. You also make a meta note that SnB is trying much harder to help and be productive this game. Why doesn't this result in a townread on SnB for you? I'd like to hear your thought process. 3. @VA (again), I'd like to know specifically what lead to your non-3p read on WoS. You say it was just a joke, but this is the second time you have backtracked/equivocated. I'm willing to accept it as a joke, especially with the smiley face, but what brought it to mind? Why, in a post in which you explicitly buddy WoS, do you say your read on him is non-3p, and not say, townie? I know you have history with him, but surely you'd prefer to just call him town? 4 @PS/DB, I am okay with kush's policy vote on WoS-- it is not a scumtell. I am willing to policy lynch kush based on his previous play, but we have not come to that part of the day yet. There is much to see and talk about first. Would you be interested in policy lynching kush? unless we have a vigilante, we can expect him to be a burden at LYLO. he has said and analyzed nothing, and his taste in culinary television is questionable at best. 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On September 13 2013 04:52 Koshi wrote: No. OP went over the thread and gave his opinion, 10 hours ago that looked why better than what Pandain did. Pandain came in the thread and said some things I don't agree with. Also, everything Pandain says about Zealous is strange. post 1) Zealous is main character so without counterclaim he is town. post 2) So in his first post the name "Isaac" was enough for a townread. And then in his second post the name isn't enough? Dnu. Why can't he make a mistake as town? You have already make more "damning" mistakes this game. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:54 Sn0_Man wrote: The only think that is giving me doubts on lynching pandain is how bad this stuff is. Like, scum QT wouldn't let him post this stuff would it? "my content which is kick-ass for the most part" o.o I mean, I feel somewhat cruel but... o.o Also Vayne you are doing some really weird flip flopping on blubbers and your case on grack seems terrible. Based on P4 i expect you to be more useless and more OMGUS and less wrong. The thing is his content at the start of the game was kick-ass. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:54 Pandain wrote: No, none of it is strange and all of it is good. As I said I don't really have time to make my posts super eloquent, but I'll explain this post. This is a themed game of Golden Sun, and it is 99% certain that Isaac THE MAIN CHARACTER OF THE SERIES/FIRST GAME is one of the people, ESPECIALLY since the first day post said its up to ISAAC AND HIS FRIENDS TO STOP THE MAFIA. So Isaac claim = auto town. Too dangerous for mafia to fake claim, since there has to be a real Isaac given the OP description. I then later realized Zealous wasn't talking about his role PM, but instead that his real name was Isaac, so I realized it meant nothing. Understand? lol, is his real name Isaac?:D | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:55 Koshi wrote: ... Everybody can do everything as either alignment. SO HOW DOES IT MAKE HIM SCUM?? Also comment on my post? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:56 VayneAuthority wrote: mandatory no point in meta-ing me since I change my playstyle completely from game to game the OMGUS thing was on purpose, if that wasn't clear. We never really discussed postgame that much. You're right I am flip flopping on blubb because I'm stubborn. I think my case is good but his response to my case is also good. my case on grack is not terrible, him and koshi jumping on panda like that is prime scum material. Can you look at what i have written about OP and give your thoughts plz? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:57 Koshi wrote: But I told you this entire afternoon the story about OP & Pandain. 1) How does making bad (we don't even know if they are bad or not) decisions make Pandain scum? 2) Can you still comment on it? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote: I actually did respond to your OP stuff, look through my posts you must have missed it. Oh right. So do you want to lynch OP, or Grack/Koshi? | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote: blubbers/grack koshi potentially you I don't know if you are buddying me or what  but you are making sense so not too concerned.if you are town then I trust you that OP is scum. thats probably my order atm. No, not blubbers. Look at SnB's last posts, what do you see? | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:11 VayneAuthority wrote: I see him waffling over two easy lynches in the end of all that. So are you saying my townread of SnB is wrong here? I dont understand. from my perspective, panda is the mislynch here and it is why he is getting pushed harder than blubb. Im not counting out scum QT just giving him that response to me because it was much better than anything else he has posted. Yes, Pandain is a mislynch. But look at what happened: debears comes in yelling "rayn is so bad this and that blablabla.." some people agree SnB comes in with a consolidated read on me that says nothing, FUCKING nothing at all (throwing more wood into the fire). I don't see SnB town at all after that, because when i ask him to explain, he fucks off. I don't think blubb is scum, he would not be this aggressive as scum. Now Koshi calls us "shitting up the thread". lol? | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:21 VayneAuthority wrote: ok I see where you're coming from. Kinda hope you die n1 if you're town, will make this game so much easier knowing you were town saying this shit I am not bullshitting here. Look at the thread and see what happened. You can tell yourself if i am telling the truth or not. So, why are these people pushing for Pandain and blubb for lynch, when there is no reason to? Who do you think is scum amongst them, and who of the other people brought up is scum in your opinion? | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:31 Sn0_Man wrote: Yes I do. You have hard-defended pandain for no reason. You have called multiple of teh towniest people in the thread scummy using extremely flawed reasoning without ever backing it up, and are in general screwing with town. Like, you voted Koshi for NO REASON it was awful. However, I'm being forced to work on the assumption that you can't read or reason rather than the assumption that you are scum, mostly because of how other people in the thread are interacting. Okay. Why is Koshi the towniest town in the town? I think he is quite scummy. He is using more flawed arguments than blubb is, and if you call blubb scum you should by default call Koshi scum aswell as for your reasoning. Why is Pandain scum? Revisit my argument and back upyour suspicions. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:40 Sn0_Man wrote: Since you have yet to learn to read rayn, 1) Pandain is blue hunting. This is 100% unarguably SCUM MOTIVATED. 2) Pandain wants to lynch kush. His reason? we can't hit scum. YEAH RIGHT. SCUM MOTIVATED. 3) Pandain sees pressuring himself as townie. THATS IMPLIED GUILT. SCUMMY. 4) this one is dumber but pandain literally claims "nobody has reasons for lynching blubbers just gut" after everybody explained why blubbers was looking like scum. This one could be explained as Pandain merely lacking a brain but I was going with scum. This is entirely apart from his awful thread entry and other crap like "I'm the towniest guy in the thread" like what bollocks. 1) Absolutely not true 2) Not true, why would he say that as scum? 3) what's wrong with that? how does it make him scum? 4) lol, blubbers is town | ||
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This is entirely apart from his awful thread entry and other crap like "I'm the towniest guy in the thread" like what bollocks. How does it make his scum, would you lynch marv if he said something like that? | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:45 Sn0_Man wrote: Nobody's provided town motivation for blue hunting. Its literally 10000000% scum. Unless maybe you are medic but even then you keep your blue hunting to yourself. In other news, i'm not talking to rayn again. He's literally the dumbest person on earth. Whys "moronic as fuck" a town tell on this guy? No, everyone should bluehunt as town. It's beneficial when people claim, you are able to distinguish blues from reds. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:48 Pandain wrote: Not open analysis though please don't make lists. Of course not, i am not dumb. I wanted to point out Sno's argument is dumb as shit. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:48 Pandain wrote: Not open analysis though please don't make lists. Like, if you have followed any games here in the last year or smth, you'd notice this: Someone claims blue. Everyone yells; "WHERE IS YOUR BREADCRUMB???? NO BREADCRUMB, YOU ARE SCUM!!" Breadcrumbs are dumb, it's your actions throughout the game that tell if you are what you claim you are. People are shit in that regards. Just a warning. ^^ | ||
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On September 13 2013 06:00 Pandain wrote: That's a pretty weird thing to ask, a weird thing to hound on since I pointed out it didn't even matter and wasn't even a major part of my post, wouldn't deserve that reaction as well. It's kush.... Could you elaborate on your thoughts on Old Partner's posts? Also if you read what i asked from / talked with Vayne could you give your thoughts on that matter? | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:09 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm blaming rayn and vayne for turning this thread into a shitshow in the last half hour. You are right Koshi, my mistake. It was Sno. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:56 kushm4sta wrote: WOW i haven't even finished reading the thread yet, but this shit coming from pandain about Isaac and what not is complete and utter garbage. IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE.... Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it. When you have finished reading the thread give us your thoughts. | ||
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On September 13 2013 06:50 Koshi wrote: Not really sure which one I would like to lynch today. lynch SnB. Others are prolly town. | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:07 Koshi wrote: You say that this is incorrect? If I read this I nod my head and think "yeah this is true". But in the end he doesn't commit to shit. I also have a problem that he uses the example about you grilling me about OP for 2 hours, which was pretty tedious indeed, but then twists this conversation between us to make everything else he says about you true or at least have more value. tldr: I feel like SnB is being sneaky. First of all, all he bases his "read" on me is "OP's questions". We have talked about that, i gave my opinion, you gave your opinion, we came into different conclusion. That's like 2% of our posts. Now what does this post say. "rayn might be scum because of his argument with Koshi". That's a really small portion of things that i have discussed this game, yet it's the only thing he brings up and that's where he bases his read on (which isn't a read at all btw). Also note the timing, what was going on at that time? debears and Sno calling me scum for something i did in another game (lol) and some people gaining interest in lynching me. What do you think SnB was trying to achieve? | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:26 Papa_Smurf wrote: Hold on a sec Raynp- you have a town read on VA correct? right, why? | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:29 Papa_Smurf wrote: Whatever happened to all this: "I think SnB is town" stuff "vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect? Because my read on SnB changed after his horrible hit-and-run entrance an hour ago. I just explained it to Koshi. | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:32 Papa_Smurf wrote: So you spent all that time defending VA and SnB, yet you suddenly lose all of it for one post? That doesn't make any sense at all Uhh... lol, it does. The post was horrible, the timing was horrible, the post didn't say anything at all but cast doubt on me for no reason. HE fucked off right after the post even when i asked to elaborate on it. It was so fucking scummy. Everything in it screams scum! | ||
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I claim scum. Can someone then say "lol debears, what happened to your townread on rayn?? you are full of shit now!" | ||
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However, what's wrong in that post is: 1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post? 2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck. 3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:57 Papa_Smurf wrote: 1) It's insight on you. Close enough. 2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta. Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum. 3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something? Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT? | ||
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On September 13 2013 08:06 Papa_Smurf wrote: I'm done arguing with you. You have hit my ignore list for this game. If you can't see why a meta read is important to bring up when you are a subject of discussion (and you think ppl are trying to lynch you), then it is hopeless to beat it out of you, especially when it's an accurate meta read according to you. debears, debears, please. Listen to me, this one post. Please read this: + Show Spoiler + Let's say this is the situation: I flame you for your last games, we argue a bit about them, and i think you played fucking terribly. I put those thoughts in thread and say i wanna policy lynch if you are gonna be dumb again. Another guy comes in and agrees with me, "fuck you were bad debears, i wanna policy lynch you for it". Third guy comes in and says "rofl, let's just lynch debears, he can't be read and i am not sure of him anyways". Then guy #4 skims in, says this: "Okay so, debears is really hard to read. As scum he posts as he does as town. Not sure if he is scum, but look at this. He said XYZ here (which is 5 posts when you have 100 in total). This is nothing conclusive but i dunno, looks like he is arguing about something he should not be arguing about. Why is he so interested in this XYZ (5/100)?" Then he fucks off.. Do you see a town motivation in this post? Do you see a scum motivation in this post? Because i see only one of those. Everyone can read this and think if you were in that situation, because that's EXACTLY what happened. SnB is scum. | ||
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On September 13 2013 08:15 Sn0_Man wrote: See? told you those guys ain't playing townie. And you could give some thoughts on things instead of licking someones ass and crying when you get mislynched. I am fed up with your attitude. Start playing instead of calling people names. | ||
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See this: P21 PS/DB an explanation of kush scum/town meta would be ncie rather than saying it exists and leaving it like that. god rayn get off my ass, it's not happening. I don't care about rayn's fakeclaiming history. we lynch liars. SnB needs to take a stance. I downgrade him to "null" for that post #417 P22 PS that's probably not a scumslip from rayn. that's just arrogance. bds' arguments were fine. We can't figure kush out. he's not worth anything, he doesn't contribute, we just lynch him today and be done with it P23 No mention of where the thread is at that time. THIS is what i am talking about. This seems good, "hey this happened then that happened and i wrote about it", he has no fucking clue what's important and what's not. SCUM! But SnB is also scum so vig OP N1! | ||
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See my last post. Look at SnB's post and the happenings around it. Looks like OP is on top of things? No.... They are both scum. SnB and OP. | ||
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Apparently people can't see why SnB is scum. debears should see it, he's probably scum too. I am not so sure about Old Partner, i would have thought he changes his style, because that's really annoying and if he is town he cant even draw conclusions fro his own posts because tehy are so messy. Most people are contributing a lot, i don't want to lynch Onegu because he is not lurking, he's just inactive. So lynch Zealos then? | ||
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lol regardless of what you think my alignment is do i really remind you of sicillian? if i do ive failed. Why would you be concerned about if you look like your scum-meta if you are town, because you can't look like your scum-meta?? Then there is the weird answer to vayne, which is over-explained: On September 12 2013 08:16 strongandbig wrote: well on the one hand i am playing verra differently than i have in any past scum game, especially my most recent one. but there could be other explanations for that difference, especially if vayne's only comparing it to that one game. maybe i'm more nonchalant because i don't feel pressure to respond to a day's worth of thread action? maybe my scum team includes people who are better at coaching? maybe i'm consciously 'changing my meta'? the thing is, genuine interactivity and non-overthinking-ness is hard to fake as scum, at least for me. basically, i think vayne's got good reason to think i'm town given how early in the game it is and my recent meta, but that if i was a better scum player than i am i could fool him too. tbh given vayne's semi-aggro play style i don't find his town read on me worrying at this point. it's not like i'm gonna flip d1 and he'll get towncred for defending me. Why just not say "yes"? | ||
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On September 13 2013 20:20 Koshi wrote: Maybe it is time for a lurker lynch. It is between SnB, Kush, Umasi, Zealos and Onegu then? I'd give Umasi time to catch up. Pressuring him with a fuckton of questions does not help at this point. At best he is a random lynch (unfortunately). GK seemed pretty good to me so i am not supporting his lynch. Onegu i hope fixes his internet issues or get's replaced. I am not gonna randomlynch him for not being able to play. I think Kush is town tbh. Zealos, if are gonna lynch a lurker, is the best option. I wouldn't call SnB a lurker (well actually, he probably should be called a lurker) but he is definitely the best lynch atm. WoS worries me, so does debears. | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys Posting from phone in class Posting notes: + Show Spoiler + Partner wants to know if I have a scum read on koshi I don't like pandaman's role name reasoning. No reason hosts can't mix up the roles or give scum safe fake claims. Also from his post his opinions are basically easy ones - kush needs to straighten up. No lurking. Super scummy opening post IMO. Then in his next post grack makes a decent attack but twists pandaman's argument - he didn't say lynch grack cause he's bad. He said lunch grack cause he's noncommittal. Ppl talking about me finding debears smurf slip as coach. I clicked profile and last posts on his account. Not very hard to do. I like Ryan's first four posts/entry into the thread. Okay wait maybe not - rayne is quibbling about old partners questions with koshi but asking about stupid things... Rayen says that good karma looks good about the early day 1 quarrel - wtf where did this come from... Ryan's reasons for saying that grack is scum are also terrible. And he keeps going on about panda in being better than old partner but they just feel completely different... Anyway non rayne notes. Fracks case on blubbdavod interesting . Go reread. Wtf is up with snoman yelling about onegu (1): Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. (2): Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. (3): My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. (4): I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. One other thing - I think panda in is scum. His post was that bad and opening posts are inportant. He had only easy scum opinions - lunch kush, lurkers bad - in that post. plus he has obviously bad reasoning on role names and bad justification for his town reads on me, va, and gk. like, what townie sees someone whose only comment on the main issues in the thread was "that's silly" and says "oh yes that guy is town, the whole thread really was a distraction." Plus I don't think vayne was moving the thread forward as much as shouting at people/being aggro, and it was really easy for me to click on papasmirf's profile button. None of those strike me as townie reasons for townreads. Right now I want to lynch pandaman's. however, before I vote I want to reread the blurb case as well. Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning. (1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"? (2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 23:47 strongandbig wrote: Hey DI I'd rather do all three of the things you said than the one you didn't. Anyway: This one is so clearly wrong it kind of makes me want to kill wos. Cora was obviously butthurt, but he also had posts where he was trying to play the game. neither of those points to jester. What's the thought process here? It really feels like saying something just for the sake of saying it. More importantly, VE what happened to this? BH is clearly not playing to his town "persona". As well as not responding to alakaslam like I would expect. I'm really not sure why but I'm thinking it might be alignment indicative. Also, No one else reveal their item names. One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him. This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game: + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote: Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game. Getting shot by scum N2 always makes me feel good as a townie but this puts me on a pretty impressive losing streak. I think it's like four or five in a row? Cba to check ATM. Tbh though I don't feel bad about pretty much anything I did this game except forgetting to use my role night 1. The hassy lynch was unfortunate but given the claims from him and Kita plus his filter I think it was the right choice. I was totes right that alakazam should have been the second lynch that day, lame that he wasn't but since he ragequit or whatever that was okay. I was also right about VE not being town and the rest of my reads were not too bad. Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him. Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB? (3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions. (5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all.. Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy. | ||
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On September 13 2013 21:50 Zealos wrote: That's my name IRL. I haven't posted much, that is true, but I have had a busy few days from college, and tbh, I find Day 1's a bit of a clusterfuck anyway. I much prefer to look things over once a couple of people are dead. Not a great excuse, but eh. Could you do something? Give us something to work with. I don't want to lynch you if you are town but saying "D1 is a crapshoot either way" is not a good argument for not doing anything, it can even get you lynched. Even if you think we are gonna get it wrong try to prove you are town so we don't mislynch you. | ||
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On September 13 2013 21:56 Papa_Smurf wrote: Idk where you get that he is gonna post more. he said specifically he would read and make reads within 8 hours and if not we can lynch him. He didnt. why is he suddenly going to pick up activity when he he promised to o and didnt deliver that promise? This SnB wagon is suspicious as fuck, especially from raynp, who said snb was town up until one post. One post that was relevant to thread discussion at the time and accurately described raynps meta according to raynp. Could you comment on my last post? | ||
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Koshi, kush is not giving a fuck here. This is exactly same thing that he did in GoT you pointed out. He is doing it here again. "I'll do this and that, you can lynch me if i don't" -> "No fuck, in fact i won't do it." That's town!kush D1. | ||
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On September 13 2013 22:13 blubbdavid wrote: I do not like the fact that Zealos is jumping on the wagon so quickly, without much analysis. Rayn, it may make sense that you feel offended by SnB's posting, but him questioning your meta is not helpful for scum except for making the main speaker (which you are) look bad. As he said on his big post, he is undecided about you. The only thing I could hold against him is that he wants to see Panda dead. Look at what i worte. I just proved his post is bullshit! There is no other motivation than to make me look bad. He is not adding anything to the discussion. He is bringing up invalid arguments about me (which i did PROVE wrong). | ||
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On September 13 2013 23:30 Koshi wrote: awwww I kinda skimmed over the whole Grack/WoS thingie. But it looked like WoS was geniounly thinking that grack was scum and he pushed him in a good way, dropped his read in a good way. But I'll reread. Look at his reasoning why Grackaroni is scum (1) in the first place and (2) when he came back in thread. It changes, and the first one is definitely not what he says later on. | ||
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On September 14 2013 00:03 blubbdavid wrote: Analysis of Zealos: This post just seems to agree with the general sentiment on Kush, him being anti-townie. Trying to blend in? Koshi at that time was meddling with rayn ("We are on different planets today rayn.") Not taking a real stance on him. We all know that they are best buddies now ("rayn & Koshi powa is back!"). Has he entered a spacecraft? I don't want to suspect rayn now because those buddying postings all come from Koshi's side. Coincidentally Koshi already has SnB in his eye early because of that guys early posting. Now as you can see, rayn-koshi-zealous are on the snb ship, and the have already touched eachother lightly in little banter. This brings us to zealous next post (after an Isaac fluff post): The rest of his postings are all against Zealous, without any analysis whatsoever. Don't you find that suspicious, Papa? tldr why is zealous almost blindly following the rayn/koshi on the snb train? Satisfied Papa? 1) Are you saying town!Zealos cannot make "kush is a non-read, give him more time" read? How does that makes Zealos scum? Why does Zealos look worse compared to other people who have the same read on kush? 2) So me and Koshi voting for same target makes the target town and everyone joining the wagon scum? How? Do not make those retarded connection cases because it makes you look dumb or scummy. Even if me/Koshi/both is scum it doesn't tell anything about Zealos' alignment. He agrees with my case, what's wrong with it? 3) Can you tell me why the case on SnB does not make him scum? What reason does he have to lie about his meta on me as town? What reason does he have to make a post where he reaches no conclusion on anything he talks about at the time other people are calling me scummy/bad? | ||
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On September 14 2013 00:33 blubbdavid wrote: 1) Zealos so far has only talked about Kush, Koshi and SnB. His post on Kush strikes me as a complete filler post, as I said trying to blend in. In another post he is talking about how d1 is a clusterfuck and so. Useless filler. 2) He agrees on your case after taking a glance in the thread and doesn't mention me or kush (who are candidates). Why doesn't he take stance on other cases and immediately agrees with you cuz "is probably the best lead to go by so far"? And me and kush are not suspicious? 3) SnB has started to post against you when you were suspicious of OP. Why should he try to bring down your credibility when you weren't a real danger for scum (as noone really cared about OP)? Yes, he may have some fetish with that meta bullcrap and may be wrong on that, but from a scum side of view it doesn't make sense at all. All it brought him is that people are now against us. Papa, what is your stance on SnB? Are you trying to push me on the pyre for a lynch so that SnB, if he is scum, doesn't have to die? since atm snb and me are both death candidates. I guess rayn would also be interested in that. 1) Yes, it is a filler post. I agree with that. What i asked was how does Zealos look worse given his stance on kush than other people who have the same stance? How does that comment make his scum over other people who have done the exact same thing? 2) If he thinks my case is best, why should he comment on other people? Isn't it clear that he wants to lynch SnB, not kush/you? Why does he have to say that if he is voting for SnB? And again, i don't see how him agreeing with one case over others make him scum? 3) "Why should he try to bring down your credibility when you weren't a real danger for scum (as noone really cared about OP)?" That's not the case and i have already explained it. It seems to me that you have not even read my latest post on SnB. Or if you have, you don't seem to understand it given you say things that are incorrect. | ||
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On September 14 2013 00:56 blubbdavid wrote: Let's 1) be since it is not my main reason 2) It is ok that he agrees with reasons. But you must take a look at the silent evidence: Thus far Zealos has not contributed anything useful, not even to SnB's case. Some of us even want(ed) to shoot him because of his lurking. Now, if he were a townie, why doesn't he step up and compensate his absence with some good analysis and reads? Instead, he takes the easy way. I really want to know what he thinks about me. 3) Mind to repost the implied lines, so that we don't get confused? I am pretty neutral on SnB and if you and Koshi want to lynch him, go ahead. On the other hand it is just inexcusable for Zealos to hop on the wagon and contribute nothing after a long time lurking. I am repeating myself. Still want to know papa's stance on SnB. 2) I still don't think him voting for the target he feels like is best makes him scum, but you are right, he could do more. Ask him about his read on you. Make him talk. 3) On September 13 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"? (2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 23:47 strongandbig wrote: Hey DI I'd rather do all three of the things you said than the one you didn't. Anyway: This one is so clearly wrong it kind of makes me want to kill wos. Cora was obviously butthurt, but he also had posts where he was trying to play the game. neither of those points to jester. What's the thought process here? It really feels like saying something just for the sake of saying it. More importantly, VE what happened to this? BH is clearly not playing to his town "persona". As well as not responding to alakaslam like I would expect. I'm really not sure why but I'm thinking it might be alignment indicative. Also, No one else reveal their item names. One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him. This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game: + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote: Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game. Getting shot by scum N2 always makes me feel good as a townie but this puts me on a pretty impressive losing streak. I think it's like four or five in a row? Cba to check ATM. Tbh though I don't feel bad about pretty much anything I did this game except forgetting to use my role night 1. The hassy lynch was unfortunate but given the claims from him and Kita plus his filter I think it was the right choice. I was totes right that alakazam should have been the second lynch that day, lame that he wasn't but since he ragequit or whatever that was okay. I was also right about VE not being town and the rest of my reads were not too bad. Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him. Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB? (3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions. (5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all.. Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy. | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:33 kushm4sta wrote: I totally get the desire to plynch me. What are the wagons you (town) blubblers (prolly town) SnB (totally scum) | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:50 Grackaroni wrote: can you quote it for me quickly, you have a long filter On September 13 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Debears, i have a question for you. This is SnB's post about me and his notes: (1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"? (2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 23:47 strongandbig wrote: Hey DI I'd rather do all three of the things you said than the one you didn't. Anyway: This one is so clearly wrong it kind of makes me want to kill wos. Cora was obviously butthurt, but he also had posts where he was trying to play the game. neither of those points to jester. What's the thought process here? It really feels like saying something just for the sake of saying it. More importantly, VE what happened to this? BH is clearly not playing to his town "persona". As well as not responding to alakaslam like I would expect. I'm really not sure why but I'm thinking it might be alignment indicative. Also, No one else reveal their item names. One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him. This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game: + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote: Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game. Getting shot by scum N2 always makes me feel good as a townie but this puts me on a pretty impressive losing streak. I think it's like four or five in a row? Cba to check ATM. Tbh though I don't feel bad about pretty much anything I did this game except forgetting to use my role night 1. The hassy lynch was unfortunate but given the claims from him and Kita plus his filter I think it was the right choice. I was totes right that alakazam should have been the second lynch that day, lame that he wasn't but since he ragequit or whatever that was okay. I was also right about VE not being town and the rest of my reads were not too bad. Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him. Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB? (3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions. (5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all.. Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy. THIS IS ALSO THE ONLY CONTRIBUTION TO THE GAME SNB HAS GIVEN. EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER HAS BEEN MORE USEFUL FFS!! | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:59 VayneAuthority wrote: The problem I have here rayn is my gut reads are usually decent and I didn't get the scum feeling from SnB's opening post. If you ever confirm as town I could look into SnB more but for right now the lynch for me is between blubb, koshi, or OP. I don't really know what you see as town in koshi, he is posting weird stuff and his lists just consist of all strong players = town all lurkers/baddies = scum. Then he leaves me/WoS as maybes so he can lynch us at endgame. wtf is he doing that's town exactly? Granted im terrible at reading him but this reminds me of sicilian where he just rode vivax's dick to victory. Now he's using yours. You gotta look at what people post after their initial posts aswell. Koshi has decent reads and is involved to the game. blubbers i think is just inexperienced town, his play makes no real sense as scum to me. OP might be scum but i think my initial suspicion on him was mainly because of his posting style. SnB and debears look terribad atm. WoS came in with some fluff and again left without any conclusion on anything. | ||
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I asked debears to comment on my post on SnB many times, every time he failed. WoS said "hmm.. you might be right", then he left... debears just waited until blubbers made a bad post and hopped on the train.. SnB came in angry and left, lol. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:17 VayneAuthority wrote: I read it dude, it doesn't mean shit to me really. I could see town doing the same exact thing. In fact I could see town doing that even more. Who's more likely to double and triple check their posts, town or scum? So townies usually say "this guy is pretty hard to read every game" when they have said one fucking day ago "you were obviously town from the start of the game" when they have no reason to lie?? What`? | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:21 VayneAuthority wrote: uh...yes? thats exactly the definition of checking your posts. As town I always backtrack and get shit wrong since I have no idea what's going on. As scum you go through your filter and see "ok let's see what have I been saying" why would scum SnB willingly just 360 in a few posts as scum and look stupid as fuck? i dont see it. HE DOESNT DO ANY 360, HE LIES ABOUT ME BEING HARD TO READ FOR HIM, READ THE POST PLZ! | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote: This is what I was getting at with my earlier post but I don't feel good about the lynch still. I'm not totally convinced that the rest of Rayn's argument mean SnB is scum but I do want Snb to explain the point that Rayn made regarding him saying Rayn was hard to read. I mean, the other points are not as conclusive besides (1). Everyone who has ever played with me when i have been town should agree with that. | ||
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What would you say if this kinda conversation happened: someone: "what do you think of Oats?" me: "hmm, i don't really know, Oats is really hard for me to read, i usually can't figure him out. I have no idea about his alignment." Would that be perfectly fine? | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes as I've said I think we've been on the same page for much of this game, hence me asking you what you think I should do before disappearing. Why the hell should Vayne decide for you on who to lynch? Don't you want to take responsibility of your actions? | ||
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I just don't fucking know if he is reallyy REALLY bad or scum. That's so retarded. | ||
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Then we remove the incredibly bad play from the game (that has still some poissibility of being scum). ##Unvote: ##Vote: blubbdavid remember, i get all the "told you so"'s when SnB flips scum or endgames you.. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Why does blubbdavid's play need to be removed and yet kush's or sn0's (or maybe zealos) doesn't? Because he says incredibly stupid stuff those other guys don't say. | ||
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"rayn made a case last game and his target was town" "therefore his case is bad here now" fuck this! | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:03 WaveofShadow wrote: He may have not phrased it well but haven't I been saying similar things about the way you presented yourself earlier? Admittedly that reasoning is stupid but whatever, stupid is stupid. Why the profanity Rayn? You don't need to rely on that to be convincing, why are you resorting to it here? I am frustrated because nobody realizes why SnB is scum when he clearly is. It's not every post needs to scream scum, it's one thing that a townie can't do, and that's it. Scum do not slip in every post, one time is enough, and i found that out. People are justifying not voting for SnB because "rayn's D1 cases are bad". That's not a reason to comment/analyze the case. | ||
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I promised myself i will not vote for townies this game. I do not know if blubbers is scum. I do not know if OP is scum. I don't think kush is scum. I however know SnB is scum. ##Unvote: ##Vote: StrongandBig He says i am very hard to read, which is a lie. There is no reason to make such a lie as town. There is no way he has "forgotten" how easy i was as a read on him in Aperture 2. I have proven that with quotes from him post game Aperture. Therefore SnB is mafia. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:16 Pandain wrote: You are very hard to read, from what I have read of your posts and other posts from other games, you are aggressive as both alignments and also you actually can make the thread hard to read through your constant, often ill-reasoned spam reminicient of my own play years back. You are going to be wrong on SnB, your reasoning is inherently flawed and based on meta thinking and omgus, and you need to have a fresh perspective that doesn't inherently judge things you disagree with as scum. No Pandain. I PROVED!!!!! SEE THE WROD!!! PROVED!! SnB is lying about how hard i am read for him. This has nothing to do with if i am hard for read to you , or anyone else. I proved SnB is lying and he has no town!motivation in lying like he did. | ||
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He is not defending SnB, he is attacking someone else instead. He also said some time ago that's exactly what mafia does. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:24 Papa_Smurf wrote: Lol the fact that you are completely ignoring what I said when I argued with you is out of control No, that was only about the timing. Do you think SnB has motivation to lie as he did as town? Also, having played with me in Desert. Me, as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"? Can you answer those questions? | ||
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I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. Aperture mafia FIRST POST! One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him. Aperture mafia POST GAME (no reason to lie)! Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game. If this is not a straight out lie i do not know what this is. There is no possible town!motivation for the lie. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:57 Pandain wrote: Kush is the play it safe option, we won't really gain any more information on him as indicative of what he's posted. Has clearly indicated he's not going to read the thread(keeps posting currently without effort to read). Scum aren't going to kill him and we shouldn't waste a vig when we can use it for late-game scenarios. SnB will result in town, if you guys lynch him than the only good thing that will happen is you will realize to listen to me for once. We can win this game if we play it safe and smart, rely around obtaining information and then good scum-hunting. I advocate lynching Kush because town has to deal with him eventually and it'll result in a lynch anyway of him later on. Can you explain hoe kushmasta is "unreadable" or whatever you think? I think kushmasta has contributed way more to the game than SnB has. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote: He also seems, as evidenced by his post two above, that he honestly doesn't care(doesn't make sense if he's town), or he's trying to seem like he doesn't care and thus justify an anti-town playstyle (makes sense if scum, not if town). The problem is that's exactly what he does as town.. It does not make him scum. I t would make me or you scum, but not him. If you are right about SnB being town and won't settle onto anything but kush/blubb we are most likely going to lynch town because kush has like 1% chance of flipping scum and blubb is ~5%. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:07 Pandain wrote: My argument, rayne, is that we are going to end up lynching kush later. You said he will play like this always, ok then we're going to lynch him later for being unproductive. A vig shot is wasteful and assumes we have a vig. Instead we can lynch players like blub later when we have more information and can raise that, as you said 5% chance, to possibly a 20% or even a 1%. Kush also is clearly not blue given the fact he just peaced without possibly claiming. He is not useless later on. He is useful or will out himself as scum. I think he is town. He has already given 3 scumreads, no reasoning but they are reads. He was okay with voting for SnB, he is okay with voting for blubbers. He said someone else looks bad (i don't remember now who it was). SnB has given only one read, which went from "idk" to OMGUS vote on me. What else has he done? Who does SnB think is mafia? | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:11 strongandbig wrote: can people tell me why they think rayn is town? All i've seen so far is because "he's being aggressive" but do you really think he's not capable of that as scum? Can you give us some reads other than your read on me? Who are my scumbuddies? | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:13 Papa_Smurf wrote: I'm starting to get there on a scum read on him, but it's not certain. If he is town, I want him because, hell, hapa apparently really respects his play so he might be some good. Kush/Blubb (mainly kush) have a much better chance of flipping tbh i am far better player after D1. Don't lynch kush please. I am good at finding tonwreads on D1, not so in finding scum. I can understand i might be wrong on SnB, i just don't like when people want to play it safe because someone who might be scum might also be an asset and then people lynch some stupid lurker who's never gonna end up scum and no info can be drawn from votes. If you don't agree with OP, please lynch blubbers then. I don't think he is scum, Oats has really good gut reads on D1, so does vayne. I think they are both town. OP has a fair chance of flipping mafia, far better than blubbers or kush. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:23 Koshi wrote: Rayn, I like OP. Why do you want to lynch him?? Look how long his posts are. He is not a good lynch unless you KNOW he is scum. Like 75% and more. Hey i can also summarize what has happened in thread in last 300 pages. Am i confirmed town if i do that from Aperture, that game is far longer than this. His posts have zero conclusions. They say "this happened then that happened" and that's it. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:38 strongandbig wrote: It looks like I'm not going to manage a rayn lynch in the next hour and a half. I still think Rayn is scum. But I would much rather lynch zealos than kush. ##unvote ##vote: zealos We'll talk about this later on in the game. ^_^ I agree with you on Zealos > kush. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:38 Koshi wrote: Zealos is a good vigi target. Arfff. And again Pandain hasn't explained to me why he suddenly knew that Zealos his irl name is Isaac and that it wasn't about the game main character. Oh fuck you. Maybe he knows him or guessed it. How does that make Pandain scum? | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:41 Pandain wrote: If it will help you, I realized that logically he wouldn't have claimed already, and therefore assuming that his post only makes sense if his IRL name was Isaac Suddenly Koshi seems like a decent place to look at. I can't understand the motivation behind his question. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:41 Koshi wrote: Do you still believe this? Why are you not liking his top 7 scumreads? Because he is doing post by post analysis (which is bad), but not really, he is doing worse than post by post analysis.. He has no idea what's currently going on (at certain point of time) in thread, he just reads post -> makes conclusion or not -> reads next post -> makes conclusion.. etc. That way you'll never find scum, and it's a good place to hide if you are scum because you are contributing a shitton when you are in fact not. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:44 Koshi wrote: I was thinking that he just claimed. I would never have guessed that it would be his real name. So I am thinking somebody has told you in some QT. WHY WOULD SCUM TALK ABOUT THEIR REAL NAMES IN SCUM QT???? Like, do you as scum start the game "Hi, my name is XYZ" in scum QT??? | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:00 strongandbig wrote: Ryan what about lynching zealos instead of kush Yeah i am ok with Zealos in case OP is not happening. I don't see anyone giving me good reason to not vote for OP. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:01 strongandbig wrote: Or can someone make a case on blurb for me That's what bothers me on blub lynch. There is no real case... It's a set of some posts which are not really scummy, they are just bad. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:10 strongandbig wrote: I just reread through old partners filter. I don't have a super food reason why he's town but I don't want to lunch him... It's just, like, I really don't see any good reason why he's scum either. It seems like lynching him would be a policy Lynne on his new attempted playstyle. I'd rather lynch zealos or Ryan whose play seems to me scum motivated / to match their scum meta better than their town meta. uhh.. you are seriously arguing lynching me over OP on D1? I mean, you have no reason to believe OP is town, and i am hard to read for you... | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:19 Sn0_Man wrote: You have that backwards lol Rayn got mad at SnB for calling him scum. This is a lie. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:21 strongandbig wrote: Did you read game of thrones? Ryan's not doing anything this game that he can't and hasn't done as scum. And a lot of what he's been doing this game is nitpicking on things that don't deserve the attention he's been giving them, and misinterpreting things / blowing them out of proportion. The thing is i do tunnel / attack townies aswell as town. How can you say i attack things that deserve no attention if you do not know if those people are scum or not`? | ||
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Also Rayn is important to point out in how he stopped actively trying to get SnB lynched, and didn't even go to blub despite originally him being between those two. Never explained why. At time he voted, SnB and Blub both could've/probably would've been lynched. People discredit me when i try to lynch my scumread. When i back off and give them more time people discredit me for that. What am i supposed to do? I am keeping my vote on OP. If you do not lynch him, lynch blubbers. kush is town, and SnB is not gonna happen anyways. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:31 Pandain wrote: SnB, I beg you to vote Kush. Zelos isn't going to be lynched, and you see I agree with you he's scummy. He's not going to be lynched however. Rayn I ask that you see what I'm saying, or at least trust in me if you believe I'm town. I promise you OP is town. Papa_Smurf and OP are town or are behaving like town. OP is town mainly for the bandwagon that just occured, also note that he's afk even now which shows that he really can't contribute as of now. Zealos if you're town I ask you to vote Kush. Also you guys are talking about mostly useless shit that doesn't matter now, focus on the matter at hand. Are you asking me to vote for my town read? | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:32 Pandain wrote: The reason I favor Kush instead of blubb is that we can more safely lynch blubb later, or rule him out later due to rolechecks and flips and then analyze there. With Kush, we have no such occurence as he is not going to be contributing more. In prior games he has contributed more as town, actually pro-actively scum hunting. This game he indicates he doesn't know what's going on, and I don't trust him to make himself easily identifiable. He will be a distraction later on to the town. If you knew how kush plays you would know he is capable of decent analysis, but not on D1. That does not say he is scum. That does not say he's gonna be useless all over the game. Whatever debears says about that is wrong. Have you played with kush? | ||
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fucking 20min before the lynch... And then people say "noone is defending OP". Yeah fucking right. Kush is my town read, i will not vote for him and if you lynch him it's gonna be a mislynch. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:37 Pandain wrote: Look at the lynch on OP, Rayn. The votes on it don't make sense. Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, [black]blubbdavid,[/black] Umasi, raynpelikoneet, [black]WaveofShadow[/black] Makes more sense to me than any other wagon. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:41 Pandain wrote: Only I am really defending OP. At least actively. Koshi is also and so is Papa, but I'm the one actually trying to not get him lynched. What about the point about fake claims? Are you ignoring information? How can you say that you can differentiate a scum kush and town kush on day one? Is a scum kush than productive and help scum hunt? Why are you so certain he's town, it seems to me it would be more logical to say you're simply uncertain. kushmasta Formerly the easiest read ever. When kushmasta is right he is scum, because he loves being right! When kushmasta is wrong he is town, because he doesn't read the thread and goes on with purely feel based reads! Don't be fooled by this however. Last game this guy actually decided to pay attention as town and nailed every mafia member on the wall! Which is it this time? | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:50 strongandbig wrote: You didn't start thinking I was scum until I posted this And your initial reason for calling me scum was that you disagreed with my case. I would clearly not have come to your attention at all if I hadn't made an attack on you. Everything you have said against me since then has been tunneling, misinterpreting and overstating aspects of my posts based on the either intentional (if you are scum) or subconscious (if you are town) preconceived decision that I'm scum. wtf. you never made a case on me... | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:55 Pandain wrote: I don't know there's a chance Zealos is blue. There's too much I don't know. I haven't looked at his prior games either really. I'll tell you now, kush is gonna flip blue or jester and you all are dumb as fuck or scum. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:59 Old Partner wrote: ##unvote ##vote zealos Vigilante on this SCUM asap! | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:12 Sn0_Man wrote: SHENANIGANS EVERYWHERE Shut up Mr.I-do-not-care-about-the-lynch. Cop this dude. | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:16 strongandbig wrote: what is the q He actually claims SQUM. Just vig the scum. | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:20 Old Partner wrote: Blazinghand is a player. I am Blazinghand. Jesus christ man have we never played? Are you a character in Golden sun? This is important. :D | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:24 Old Partner wrote: Its the part that's outside of the spoiler, and the part that's bolded. I wasn't JUST gonna bold the S, so I made "S and Q" or whatever and bolded the whole deal. Have you never seen my crumbs before? No you claimed SCUM! Just confess! | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote: im back, catching up now. saw the mislynch though =/ gotta look at the people that followed my wagon with little to no support. This is fucking scummy. | ||
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Here is what you are gonna do. You are gonna tell your scumreads on N1 with reasoning. Then you are going to contribute towards a scum lynch on D2. If you fail to do so, you will get killed. This is not a deal, this is what you are gonna do if you want to win as survivor. If your N1 does not impress we lynch you on D2. Now get off from BH and find scum. | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:39 ShiaoPi wrote: Full Roleclaims are allowed (including Role PM). No other PMs from the hosts though! Am i allowed to fake my role PM and make it look like it is from the hosts in case i want to? | ||
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If i want to fakeclaim am i allowed to make a fakeclaim with my host PM? | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:43 Old Partner wrote: Immediate thoughts are that shenannies could tell us something. Grack swapped away from me at the last minute, maybe to avoid getting bad cred for lynching a townie. He was probably scum starting a wagon and hoping it wouldn't roll across the line, then jumped overboard. I'm also still suspicious of kush (especially that he believed me so easily-- what does he know that rayn doesn't), along with his "scumslip". that being said, I dont' think we should policy lynch kush. He IS readable. I was lying. Is Grack everything you got? He is like the towniest town in this thread... | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:54 VayneAuthority wrote: doesn't concern me really, i've already expressed my disdain with your play this game. town rayn doesn't tunnel somebody for hours and then just give up randomly and drop his vote on some one with little reasoning. where? | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:56 Pandain wrote: Stop asking that and just say it. I don't want to spam for such a small reason. Sorry. Did you look into Vayne already as i asked (his read and how it developes) on blubb? Also what are your thoughts on debears? | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote: you'd be hard pressed to find any 2 games of mine that are similar there is always the town/scum motivation. I actually read all of your game i could fing on TL and this seems like scumthingy.. | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:14 Papa_Smurf wrote: Lol BH I love you <3 Some things off the top of my head: Raynp's and Koshi's dropping of SnB is off(especially gotta look at raynp, that little bugger). I wouldn't think both are scum . Seemed like the thread presence of vayne and grack fell off (not sure but had town reads on them double checking that shit). And guess I'll just wait til rigghhhhhtttt about dawn for anything super insightful. Haven't really decided if I'll post right before or quite a bit before Explain to me why i am scummy for pushing SnB, then i am scummy for letting go of him? | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:17 VayneAuthority wrote: if that's your case I don't even need to do anything. please get real here if you're accusing me because im going to put this to rest right now. koshi says im making too many hard reads, you saying im too wishy washy xD get your story straight before you guys try to pile shit on me. association case before flip = bad. +1 scum point | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:42 Old Partner wrote: oh sorry i wasn't refreshing this page. I think PS/DB was expecting me to tag him back or something Where are those reads BH? You are full of crap atm as is SnB and debears (they are scum thouhg, soo...). | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:58 Pandain wrote: Rayn since I know you're reading can you make a long post on kush for me explaining your thoughts kush is town. You however failed to answer my last questions. That's why i make sure the guy i question is online. So they can't say "oh i missed your post". Why did you miss my post? | ||
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On September 14 2013 09:05 Pandain wrote: Man that's a really nice long post, could you put in 5 minutes and tell me why? Because of what i said already in thread. D1 kushmasta is always useless. He is however differently useless as scum as he is as town. He loves being right, so he busses, hardcore. Even if he has changed his play he can't change one thing. Promising things and then doing something totally different 5 min after that. It can be seen from his tone of posts if he is scum or not (not necessarily, but here it's clear, he is town). Now, why did you completely ditch my questions to you? | ||
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On September 14 2013 09:19 Pandain wrote: Oats came in late, I wouldn't expect him to do stuff. So what he did was townie? | ||
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On September 14 2013 09:18 Koshi wrote: If rayn is scum. Scum rayn would be "handling" BH. Which he is doing +- Just give BH a chance to give his thoughts in the next 70 hours. There is really no rush. No, he needs to do shit on N1 so we don't waste a lynch on him on D2. If he does not do shit vig him N1. | ||
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I like open comm games.. People can't fuck off for 10min for a easy question.. This bothers me Pandain, answer plz. | ||
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On September 14 2013 09:29 Papa_Smurf wrote: So let me get this straight Raynp wants me to explain my read on him right away Raynp wants BH to post ever read he has right away Raynp won't post actual analysis on kush's play Raynp thought we should lynch oats (a replacement) over kush Wow Can He Be This Bad As Town I have never asked your read on me. No, before N1 end. Why would i? I don't give a fuck, if people think he is scum they need to tell why he is scum, i do not need to tell why kush is town (which i did) Wrong. L2R. | ||
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debears is thinking something i am not really saying (see your argument on SnB -- me) debears is misrepresenting me, and then lying debears does not read the thread Wow Can He Be This Bad As Town Because He Is Scum ! | ||
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On September 14 2013 14:47 Old Partner wrote: Re: snb. I started this post off hoping to prove him scum but I can't shake it. Man, looking back on it I just can't shake the idea that strongandbig HAS to be town. The fact that he noticed PS/DB coaching a newbie just doesn't seem like something scum would be motivated to do. I know I've ##FoSed SnB, but if I'm going to be honest here (and I must), the fact that he has ignored me isn't the most terrible thing. Scum could do it. If SnB was hosting that other game or something I'd see it. But really, looking to see where else the obvious smurf has posted, just to call him out for it... I think this isn't something that would occur to a scum player. This is the kind of thing you only look into if you're naturally inquiring. SnB probably just didn't give a dick about me posting once or twice a day and ignored me or forgot me. It happens. I think this is a genuine insight into his mindset: he is town. So scum have no intention of finding out who is some Smurf's real identity? If i was scum i would be hell interested in knowing if the town!smurf i am playing with is Palmar or kushmasta, wouldn't you? | ||
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He was unable to see the anti-town elements in BH's play, instead he he told me "I promise you OP is town" and wanted to lynch kush.. lol. | ||
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He never gave any reasoning for his initial vote. Then he flip-flopped around other targets and said blubbers looked better. Then suddenly he is again vayne's top candidate for no apparent reason. Also vayne called OP "definitely scum" and never tried to do anything to lynch him. I mean, vayne says strange stuff, but he is not dumb or inconsistent as town. | ||
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On September 14 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Vayne is PRETTY TOWN. Dont see how you are missing this rayn. Since when have you been able to read vayne? I mean, based on D1 tell that he is definitely town? | ||
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On September 14 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote: uh ok. Thats your judgement. So why do you call him scummy if you think he is null? I did not say he's null. I said his posting style certainly does not make him town because he always looks more or less scummy on D1. It's him wanting to lynch blubbers with no reason, then after that he says there are two better targets and blubbers looks better, he never changes his vote, he never does anything about these suspicions, he never says anything after that, then blubbers is suddenly again the best lynch for no apparent reason. Then he does not say anything at all the whole phase. After D1 he calls random people scum for random reasons (mostly people who have accused him of being scum). He does that as town aswell but the difference is he does not even try to reason those reads other than OMGUS and "Vayne rule". Then he proceeds on saying "kill BH to buy town more time if needed". lol, that's the most anti-town comment in the game. Killing survivor does not buy town time, it buys scum another night with no scum lynched and more night kills. | ||
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On September 14 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote: lol killing the survivor as opposed to town does buy time. It's the attitude. Why would you think in the first place "we are not lynching mafia this phase"? | ||
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On September 14 2013 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote: I wasnt talking about his posting style. And vayne does make good posts as scum. He sheeped my perfectly fine case on Sloosh is Sicilian, left his vote on his scumbuddy and fucked off for the rest of the phase. When VE got lynched he came back and was "mad at people for such a stupid lynch" called everyone dumb and told we should have lynched Sloosh. Yeah, those posts were good as he was right on Sloosh. Did it make him town? no. | ||
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On September 14 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote: What? This is a horrible example of 'town' posting. Maybe, but it bought him enough town credit to survive to LYLO without doing anything. | ||
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Nobody ever looked into vayne before the last day before lylo in Sicilian when he was one of the first people to vote for Sloosh who was obvscum, was pardoned on D2 and flipped scum on D3. This is the same thing that you did with FirmTofu in Titanic. You decide someone is town because of some "townslip" and never look into them again, and if someone calls them scum you OMGUS them. That's not the correct way because scum do not slip in every post, scum make posts that are townie. They know if their "good" posts contribute towards scum lynch or not. If they do not, those posts do not matter, and if they do, they can still be bussing. | ||
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On September 15 2013 07:11 Pandain wrote: Does anyone still think I'm scum btw? I do. | ||
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you were obvscum. scum thousht you were obvtown. trolol | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:26 Papa_Smurf wrote: are u talking about SnB's case? Cuz you thought it was accurate Yeah it is accurate. And you doged the question about the fact in the case that is not accurate and you very well know it. | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:32 Papa_Smurf wrote: Lol. Therefore the meta case itself was not misrepresentative. It was his use of the meta case that was. I showed that kush's actual meta case was misrepresentative, not just his use of it. No, you are wrong. SnB expecially said "as town rayn pushes important matters". Why don't you look at my last three town games (not Aperture - because i did not have time to play properly so i didn't do much anything), and tell me straight to my face this comment of SnB's is accurate. I even know myself he is worng, the matters i have pushed, especially on D1's, were not important. How does SnB know what i have pushed this game was not important? At that point i had ONLY pushed a guy who is either third party or scum and things regarding him, that was not important, let's say compared to people who pushed blubbers for no fucking reason? There was never a case on blubbers, not a single case, people just voted for him because they were afraid of pushing their own cases or they were sheeps. | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:04 Papa_Smurf wrote: How do you now find it an inaccurate meta read, when you said it was fucking accurate earlier Because there are only slight differences in my scum/town play, and the conclusion "rayn is hard to read" is a reasonable conclusion. I didn't read that post with full concentration at that time. I only noticed something is fucking off in that post and only later analyzed it better. Why are you again dodging answering me and comign up with something entirely different? Can you just fucking answer my post and not flip-flop around it? | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:15 Koshi wrote: rayn why do you think WoS was killed by scummers? I actually don't. I just saw one person dead after night and make a hasty decision without thinking it over when i read the thread after night. | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:44 Old Partner wrote: Ok, I'm back. Seeing that people might actually be interested in lynching someone else today has given me the realization that it's possible for me to live instead of dying (which would be awesome). I still have something to play for! For all you guys who are criticizing my role PM, you guys are like literally retarded. Look, if you think I fakeclaimed Survivor as Scum, then that's fine. But if I did, you should probably assume I got my PM from the hosts. AND EVEN EVEN I MADE THE PM UP, why on god's green earth would I use a character not from Golden Sun? Look, I didn't play Golden Sun. I don't know who the Captain is. Apparently he's not important enough to be on the wiki page or whatever. But BUT BUT If you think I made the Role PM up myself, do you really think I ACCIDENTALLY picked a 2-shot hiding ability? No, if you think I'm fakeclaiming, you MUST think that either 1) I am an SK with a 2-shot hiding ability, then HAPPENED to write my fake survivor claim PM in EXACTLY the same way that WoS's PM was. 2) I am scum who got survivor as one of the fakeclaim PMs from hosts in a game where there already is a survivor neither of which strike me as particularly sensible. now, admittedly, 2 survivors in a game is pretty rare. But the idea that I ACCIDENTALLY faked a survivor claim perfectly? Jesus christ man. And now that I've written it I've realized there's no chance to convince PS/DB anyways fack I think you are either 1) SK with BP ability, or 2) Scum In either case The Captain is your fakeclaim. I agree with you that people questioning the rolename are dumb. You have yet to deliver. Now stop defending yourself and tell people who is scum and why. | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:48 Old Partner wrote: I'm sorry rayn, I'm just saying it's not my fault my role name doesn't happen to be on the wiki. It's the PM I got, what am I supposed to do about it? Yeah that was to debears (my comment). My bad, should have quoted his post.. | ||
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On September 16 2013 04:40 Papa_Smurf wrote: Btw I would love to know how I'm a main candidate without a single fucking real case on me. The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? | ||
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On September 16 2013 08:47 VayneAuthority wrote: the sad part is thats probably the scumteam. you guys are all trying to discredit me and it's hilarious xD still waiting on that case budd0 If you have correctly indentified the scumteam why is your vote on a survivor? | ||
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Blazinghand: You are getting lynched today because i gave you an option when N1 started; "Prove us that you are helping the town and we might not lynch you". What did you do? Instead of even looking like you are trying to help you told us why it's not beneficial for you to help us and you straight out said you won't do it. Even if you are a survivor, to me you are +1 mafia, because you don't give a fuck about the town. You count towards mafia win condition, and that makes you one more mafia. You need to die. If mafia really shot WoS on N1 they are extremely stupid and don't know how to play this game. WoS was blue? Bullshit, everyone who knowsanything about this game would have seen WoS is not blue. There is a difference between how blue players operate in comparsion to anti-town players. In case blues do not want to stick their neck out, they still want to do everything to help the town without sticking their necks out. WoS was definitely doing nothing to help the town. Therefore he was obviously not blue, and not town. | ||
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If you still think that makes me mafia, fine. Then make a case. But now every post you make is the same thing about me over and over again and nothing ends in any other conclusion than "rayn might be scum or not". You seem to think Zealos is scum, i have no idea what you think about any other player than Zealos atm. It worries me. | ||
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On September 16 2013 20:18 Zealos wrote: I've changed my mind again. If we don't kill OP today, we will look back at the end of the game and be like "How did we let a potential SK or Squm survive when at best they are a survivor" Stop talking about OP. Who do you think is scum and why? | ||
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How do you go from this: On September 14 2013 06:10 strongandbig wrote: I just reread through old partners filter. I don't have a super food reason why he's town but I don't want to lunch him... It's just, like, I really don't see any good reason why he's scum either. It seems like lynching him would be a policy Lynne on his new attempted playstyle. I'd rather lynch zealos or Ryan whose play seems to me scum motivated / to match their scum meta better than their town meta. On September 16 2013 05:59 strongandbig wrote: ..to this: not really sure how to answer this. his only scum games were over a year ago. in both town and scum games at that point he played completely differently than he has in his past three games this year (all town) and this game. I guess you have a point - I can argue "there's a difference in his play from his previous town games / recent town meta, and it's scummy" but I can't say " this is the same as his recent scum meta" because that doesnt exist. These are the things that make me think you are scum. You are just lying. | ||
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You case does not prove debears as scum. It's however proven that BH is not trying to help the town. If he is SK we remove a KP from the game. If he is survivor, he is basically +1 mafia because he does not want to help the town. He counts towards mafia wincon. | ||
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Koshi - Trying to figure out the game. Has some very good arguments, some of which are not that good. In any case, everything points towards him wanting to figure out this game. If he was scum he would be the scum team leader, it's hard for me to believe that having played with him when he was scum. This is how i described Koshi's meta before this game: + Show Spoiler + As town: Koshi is really good at solving stuff if you give him the guidelines to do so (see me in this game, see Vivax & me in Sicilian). Koshi is really bad at solving stuff if nobody gives him the guidelines. If he is accused he will go into "i am so bad, damn i am so bad, i know my posts are bad" -mode. As scum: Koshi panics when pressured. This will translate into "i will not post anything any more, as i can't get out of the situation". Usually he has no direction behind his posting, unless someone tells him how to do it (see me and Acro in GoT - Koshi was already willing to go into lurk-mode when Dandel & Xatalos "figured him out" on N0-D1, we told Koshi to look at the thread, make some theory about what has happened and stick with it no matter what happens). He did so and got an insta town read from Xatalos and a lot of other people. Summary: If there is no direction in his play, accuse him of his bad logic, and see how he reacts. If lurk - prolly scum, if "i'm bad" - prolly town. If he has thoughts that make sense, read the thread. Where did he get those thoughts? If there is a strong town read of his who "crumbs" stuff, he is prolly town putting the pieces together, if not, maybe someone in scum QT gives him guidelines of what to do. This was after the GoT game. This is not totally accurate any more, because after that Koshi has become far more confident in his town play. Look at Aperture, this is totally town!Koshi. Grackaroni: Trying to move the game forward. His fakeclaim was useless, but there is no reason he should have done that as mafia. No way. If anyone seriously thinks (even as scum) debears is gonna get lynched today after how BH has acted, they are stupid. Grackaroni is town. kushm4sta: Totally different from his scumgames. He is trying to push his reads and trying to make cases. scum!kush is lazy as fuck, there is no way he would have done the case on debears as scum. Oatsmaster: I have a slight town read on Oats based on his posting style and his reads and the explanations (or rather "explanations") behind them. After N2 and BH flip i should have a better read on him. Null dudes: Pandain: Some stuff is good, some stuff makes no sense to me. I hope he would contribute more. Umasi/Zealos/Snodude: I think one of these guys is scum. Atm i am leaning on Snodude. He has done absolutely nothing. Zealos has some posts that point towards him being town. Umasi (GK) had a good start into the game. After that he has done very little. Everyone of those guys need to contribute more. SnB: I am slightly leaning scum on him. The roleblock claim is something that we need to think about after more night actions, at this point that points into townie more than into scum. I wqould hope he would contribute something other than saying stuff about me and then calling me null.. Scum: VayneAuthority: Bad arguments, doesn't give a shit about the lynch, bad cases that are based on nothing. Inconsistancies in logic. I am making a case on N2. debears: Didn't care about scumhunting on D1 and seems like he doesn't give a shit about it now. He has basically devoted the game to calling me & Koshi bad.. Makes no sense because as town (or even as 3p) debears is fucking good at this shit. I am not seeing it here atm. This is not as strong of a read than Vayne, and it could be that debears is town, but i need a lot more from him. SQUM: BlazingHand: Needs to die. Is not helping the town and it has been proven by himself. He is either (1) mafia, (2) Serial Killer, (3) Survivor who is basically +1 mafia, or (4) some other third faction, that's harmful to town. We are lynching him today. | ||
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On September 16 2013 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote: So if BH flips none-scum, am I scummier for being correct rayn? I think Rayn is scum and debears is town. No you are not. If BH flips scum you are confirmed town to me because you have been pushing him all game you have been here. If BH flips non-scum, you don't look worse than before (not that you look bad now). I might have worded my post poorly, what i am trying to say is that BH flip can only make you look better than now, not worse. That's what i am saying. Do you have any other comments on my reads? | ||
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On September 16 2013 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Im confused. I dont want to kill BH anymore. Do I still get cred? If so, cool  Uh, I dont like your vayne read, and your townread on koshi means koshi is confirmed town. Nice job. I will elaborate my read on Vayne more before D3. It's pretty sure to me he is mafia. In short, he voted for blubbers for no reasoning given. After that he said blubbers looks better and some people (Grack/Koshi/BH) look worse. He never changed his vote. Then he got a scumread on kush. Then he was willing to lynch kush. He never did anything to convince anyone on any other of his scumreads and just left his vote on blubbers who in the end somehow again looked scummier?!?!? After PC he is trying to call people on blubbers scum, calls the wagon "started by him" (lol - he never gave any reason for blubb to be scum, ever), and is suspicious of people who jumped on HIS MISLYNCH WAGON HE NEVER RETRACTED FROM. After this, from his filter pages 4 -> 7 is shitting on me/Grack/Koshi. Now he has "indentified the scumteam as rayn/Grack/Koshi", yet his vote remains on a survivor? In case BH in fact flips scum it's gonna be awesome regarding information. If that happens look at the start of the game when people wanted to kill Pandain over BH. Look at how i question people about why Pandain looks worse than BH. Do you agree on my reads on kush/Grack? | ||
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On September 16 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Everyone who voted for blubbers was bad/scummy. Pandain is town. Grack is town, kush i dunno. I think hes town cause he hasnt really been bussing it seems. The reason why i am not sure about Pandain is because on D1 he changed his reads all over the place for no apparent reasoning. I mean, he called Koshi/Grack scum at some point, then on N1 they were suddenly town for "look at their filters". I think that can come from townie too, but why did he not realize that earlier? The only read for him that remains "static" is kush, and i think he is wrong in that read. I like him realizing Vayne is probably scum. Do you agree with me that at least one of Zealos/Snodude/Umasi is scum? | ||
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On September 16 2013 23:00 Papa_Smurf wrote: Changing reads constantly on d1 is usually morr indicative of town. Its hard to figure out solid reads with so little information Yeah i know. It's the reasoning that bothers me (or rather, the lack of it). I'm not too bothered about Pandain atm, if he is town he'll probably get killed at some point. What do you think of my other reads? You can ignore my read on you as it should get better when you contribute to other reads / make your own when you do so. | ||
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On September 16 2013 23:08 Papa_Smurf wrote: The main thing I need to address is vayne. did you look ay the string of posts early game rigbt after he found out as debears? The posts screamed town to me. Thats the reason for the slight town read. anyways everyone else is same old. Lack of activity going around. nothing new to really say. It looked townie to me too. But vayne is pretty good as scum, and is not even afraid of bussing. What do you think? Was he right on what he said about you? | ||
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When he found out you are debears, he got at least a slight scum read on you right? What happens after this. He does never, after that, address you in any way in any of his posts. He does not try to find out if you in fact are scum or not although he thought your meta-read on him was bad. Does that not ring any alarm bells to you? Actually, if you look at the game after that argument with you, vayne does not try to find out whho is mafia, at all. He just picks some comments and says some people are scum because of them. He is not trying to figure out the game, he is posting stuff based on what happens in thread. His conclusions arn't even good. | ||
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On September 16 2013 23:59 Papa_Smurf wrote: While I cant deny vayne has not looked t9wn recrntly. Why should I lynch him (in whom I see something screaming town) over the lurkers (im whom I see absolutely nothing screaming town. also, do you think kush is town still? I believe you said his case on me wasnt great. Does that case on me reflect his play in persona? Does kush having only one actual read, and a bad case on that read, reflect his play in persona at this point in the game? It does reflect his play in the manner that he is trying to do something. In Persona he started playing on D2, while his reads were not good at that point he had reads and tried push them in his own way. His was consistent and while his posts were not that "good" his train of thought could be easily followed. I can see the same traits in his play here. While i dot think his case proves you are scum that's a big town tell for kush that he even came up with the case. He actually did look into your past games and made a case on his scumread. I would like him to prove what you asked him to prove. Actually, if you are kind enough could you find some quote from some of your towngames where you actually do get mad as town? The closest i can come up with is your stance on me in Desert D3 start, and there you didn't get mad. You called me scum. You could shut down kush's case if you do so. I also think kush has more scumreads than one, you are just his strongest one. | ||
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On September 17 2013 00:41 Pandain wrote: Both of you guys are town. This is what I got out of this You mean me and Oats? Could you answer the kush -- debears thing? I don't see a reason why you wouldn't as town effectively shut down a bad case on you. In case kushmasta is town he is looking into a wrong place in debears' mind. Why not make him look into other places? If kush is scum it would strengthen the case on him (as some people think kush is scum). Bad cases don't necessarily mean the maker of them is scum, but it certainly doesn't help the town that there are bad cases around. Right now it seems like debears can't shut down the case. I don't see a reason why a townie would not want to shut down a bad case on them in the first place. It just doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: My case was amazing and right. Completely different attitude as scum. Show me debears insulting someone as town. My reads right now are panda grack debears. It's just I have not written a case on the other two. kush, i just read the games you quoted. I don't see your point tbh. Can you tell us how exactly his attitude is different? He actually "insults" (i would not call that as an insult) Hapahauli in his town game a same manner he "insults" other people in his scum game. Both are different from this game imo. Both are similar to Desert and Aperture. You can't just take one quote where he shouts and look at it. When i read the posts in context and read the thread +/- 1 page from that it doesn't look like your case holds water. If you think debears is scum based on that you need to explain better what you mean. Based on your case and what i just read i don't think you are right. | ||
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On September 17 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote: You know, this is the first time Rayn is concerned with someone making a bad case. Ive never seen it before. This is not true. I always shoot down bad cases on my townreads. Even on my scumreads, but if someone makes a case on my scumread that i think is bad i usually let them answer first. | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: You call this shooting down a case?? You have been 'musing' over it for like 2 pages already. It's because i have been trying to figure out wtf is with that case from both sides of the argument.. On September 17 2013 01:06 Papa_Smurf wrote: he might be actually learning how to play. That's my theory, anyhow My D1 play somehow always ends up being a clusterfuck whether or not i am right on my top scumread. It always happens, people (scum or town) find some reason to not lynch someone i want to and some fucking lurker is gonna get lynched and they always turn up town. I dunno, i just can't help it.. :/ | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:24 Old Partner wrote: OK guys I was lying about being Survivor I'm actually the cop with a red check on Pandain huehuehuehue You are teasing me.... Don't do this.. :D | ||
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When you play with me you will always find my play the same like it was here in D1. I nitpick on something i find important because there is nothing else to go with. At some point i usually am unable to see what's important and what's not. That's the point where i need some level headed guy totell me where i am going wrong and what should i look for. Usually it's someone like marv/Hapa/Palmar. In this game i think it would be you or Pandain. Look at the difference how you/Pandain called my case on SnB off. Pandain remained calm when i was trying to sell the case to him (i always do that because i am usually tunneled :/ ). You however didn't, you called me retarded and bad and refused to talk to me. I mean, in some level you are right, because i am an arrogant asshole on D1, i always am and i dunno how i can help it. However, i am not bad at this shit. After D1 (and especially after N1) i take a complete re-look on the whole game. I look at who did what on D1. Who voted where and why. Who didn't give a fuck about things. When did certain things happen and why. I am far better player D2 -> than D1. For example in Desert i was pretty sure on D2 end that marv is scum because he should have been the one who would keep me "calm" on D1 when i tunneled Thrawn. When Thrawn proved his towniness on N2 i was 100% sure marv is scum. I am capable of finding mafia. So please, if you are town, in this game (and future games), don't try to shut me down in case i go into stupid tunnel mode. I can be convinced with reasonable arguments. It might take time but it's possible. It's also beneficial because i am town and i am perfectly capable of finding mafia if someone (or me myself) push me into right direction or/and shuts down my bad arguments. I also ask very weird questions sometime. Please people (if you are town), even if you think my questions are stupid, answer them, because i know what i am doing and it helps me figure out your alignment. I do very strange stuff. For example, in Bluelightz game i asked geript what he does think about his hydra partner's posts and if he thinks his hydra partner is scum. The answer he gave me was 100% town. That's how i roll. If you don't understand my questions, you can ask me afterwards about them. I am willingto explain what i was/am after. Thanks for listening. | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:34 Papa_Smurf wrote: This is scum kush right here. "My case is so right". Then picking 2 of the towniest players in the thread, and one that is considered town by about half the thread as the scumteam. Yeah right. Kush, there's a reason why no one has ever made a meta case on me. Because I play the same as either alignment. The fact that are building your case around your read and not your read around your case is scummy. + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2013 22:59 kushm4sta wrote: 1) also his cases this game have been overly simplistic and directed towards very easy targets. His scumread list atm is OP - claimed survivor Me - afker everyone wants to kill with fire Zealos - classic lynch bait It's like he's going for the most obvious shit and not even trying to find scum. 2) In terms of meta, town debears is levelheaded and logical. Scum debears is much louder and more emotional. Recall his bitchfit with rayne for no reason. Another thing that scum debears loves to do is yell at people about how to play the game. This is scumdebears from NMXXIX: Here is this game (just one of the many times he has done something like this): already have disproved 1) and 2a) On September 16 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote: 3) As scum you tell people how to play like with general newbie tips for how to play mafia. In your example, you were explaining why someone's case was bad / your thought process. It was not a superficial tip like you do in your scumgames. Here is another example: This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game. ~~~~ 4) Regarding your emotionality, in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis. 5) You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical. As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper. ~~~~ You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still! ~~~~ 6) Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town. On September 16 2013 02:30 kushm4sta wrote: 7) @ps also please show me where you were a dick to someone in a town game. I think acting like a dick is a huge scumtell for you. 1) Already show how I have simplistic reads that are very successful (especially lately) 2) Funny thing is, if you look at desert postgame. I was bitching at raynp there after I stopped here. It's non alignment indicative. I even said don't consider it as part of my filter I'm pretty sure. 3) is definitely misconstrusing my contributions this game. 1st, there is/was no reason to wifom about the WoS nk. It should be pretty clear that scum would not shoot him. Scum's goal is to get rid of the towniest players. WoS was not a "towniest" player. Also, if things like these were my only contributions, then you'd have something. You are cherrypicking 1 quote and ignoring the cases in my filter. 5) Repeating the points in 2 4 and 6) These points are both bullshit, and totally misrepresent my meta, because you should have read Mario mini's day 1 if you want to know my meta when I'm like this. I freak out over stupidity and bad cases on me. Yours is that. I did in in MM, and I'm doing it here, because I think you aren't that fucking bad as town to come up with such a horrible misrepresentative case. 7) Now he comes up with "oh debears is a dick as scum" after I purge his "emotional" tell. And you know what? He hasn't shown any quotes from my scum game of me being a pure dick. I'd love to see that. Kush claimed to have read my games, yet his failure to recognize the similar circumstances between this game and mario mini (day 1) are amazingly unacceptable. That means he didn't read my games. He skimmed and cherrypicked. You know, the bolded part is the reason why i found out SnB's post so scummy in the first place. Because that applies to me too. But SnB didn't even have a conclusion and he has for some reason gone with the same mindset after that the whole game. I still can't see what he was trying to add to the discussion with that post. | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:49 Old Partner wrote: You know Rayn after this game I officially cede title of "most full of self" to you beagh i can't even insult or spam well my heart isn't in it any more haha. <3 | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:51 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think rayn's ego will ever recover after this game. I hope all the scum are the lurkers so we can laugh at him again like desert Can you elaborate on this because in that game i was the only one who could succesfully push a lynch on mafia? | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote: I think it's wrong and this game reminds me a lot more of him in sicilian than persona. You need to go back and read that. He used vivax as a puppet the whole game and got "fake angry" multiple times that game. it's so similar to this. Except in this game, he's using you as his puppet. I have thought grack was scum for a while now, between what he did day 1 with the subtly asking for people's opinions and stuff before the game was really fleshed out. He wanted to know who he could push as mafia. Then you add in all this fake claiming stuff and it's stupid. doesn't help town at all. As I said earlier that fake fight between him and koshi looked extremely fake so that's the nail in the coffin for me. don't know who's the 3rd if it's not you but I assume kush/umasi/zealos or something But he was not scum in Sicilian. He scumhunted with Vivax first, when Vivax died he scumhunted with me. Every scum we found Koshi shot. I could have totally figured out he was the SK but layabout's check fucked that all up. Could you compare to GoT if you got something to compare because comparing this game to his SK game is not a good comparison, SK needs to find scum too. In my opinion it points more towards him being town here than scum. I agree that the fake claim was stupid. But as scum, why do it? To save debears (who is not scum according to you)? To save BH? I can't find any other reason for him doing so as scum. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:15 VayneAuthority wrote: actually pandain is kinda suspicious too if he's a good player. He had me as a solid townread then once a lot of people start suspecting me he does a complete 180 on me and says he is a "bit suspicious of me" with no reasoning. what do you think of that rayn? Pandain is null for me. As i said he has said some pretty townie shit, but some of his reads change in odd manner from D1 to N1. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:19 VayneAuthority wrote: I wasn't in GoT. The only game where I was ever town and he was scum was nuclear mafia and I was the only person that had him as mafia in that game. everyone else believed his naive town approach. feels like the same thing here...he is so obviously scum to me but no one else agrees. really frustrating I can tell you if Koshi is scum here his play is 100% different from GoT being scum with him in that game. I promise you i will reread NWM regarding Koshi before D3, but i do not think he is scum. What are your thoughts on SnB's contributions overall this game? If you had to pick a lurker from your list at this point to be mafia, who would it be and why compared to others? | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:28 kushm4sta wrote: On phone He insults people directly in this game. He never does that as town. He disagrees with people emphatically as town which is what he was doing with hapa. Bh lynch is fine today whatever. Scum and town agree on a lynch just makes me mad about it. I will hopefully write a more convincing meta case today looking at his more recent games. It's just that those were the ones in his profile is why I chose them. L2 update for profile so it's easier to catch you. Now debears thinks I'm scum? Lol. Never done something like this as scum ever unless it was a bus. Also Notice hOw panda has nothing to say now that he can't push for my plynch anymore. No kush. If you are making a meta case you need to point out what's different regarding his actions in town games in comparsion to his scum games. You can't just say "he did this in this game, and didn't do that in his othet town games". You need to point out where in his scum games he did the same thing if you are using that as a reasoning. Preferrably point out he did that in all of his scum games, that's when it becomes accurate. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:30 VayneAuthority wrote: well likewise, if SnB is scum here he is not playing like sicilian at all. But aside from the meta differences, he is coming to smart conclusions and transparently trying to analyze the game. He also hasn't just written me off as scum so I'm biased here. Seems like he is one of the few people ACTUALLY TRYING TO SOLVE THE GAME. I will get back to you on the lurker thing, there's too many replacements in this game and I got nothin' to work with really. Kush seemed scummy to me early because he was martyring and the blubb wagon just barely beat him out but I'm unsure on him now. He hasn't really given much to work with. Zealos seems like he doesn't give a shit about the game at all but that's not really enough to work with either. Could you point out some direct quotes from SnB's filter where he is trying to solve the game (do not bring BH into this, it's a good place to hide in case SnB is scum and BH is not)? | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote: a few quotes from different parts of the game First quote: SnB is saying Zealos is playing differently from his town games. I asked him about it and he said "i agree, i can't point out how this is in line with his scum meta either". Now if this meta read (which is all he has according to his posts) makes Zealos scum, why doesn't kush's meta case on debears make debears scum? They are like 100% similar, based only on one side of a meta argument. Second: I don't think his meta read on me adds anything to the game. Some parts of it are just wrong (you should know that too). I think his case on Pandabearguy is not strong, and he never pushes it, actually he agrees with him later on. He had a weak scumread on you (or null), he never tries to question you after that. I don't see how that's contributing or adding anything. Third: A townread. Okay, you have a point. But no scumreads. Fourth: Another meta read on me. Still he does not push me, and i ahve btw had a coherent narrative in my filter. He never asks me anything, ever. He does not want me to explain anything. He does not really push my lynch, why, if he thinks i am scum? It's fishy. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:34 Sn0_Man wrote: No. I can give you like 2 townreads though (grack/dibbers). Errybody else is some varying degree of scummy/null. Obvious first lynch is OP despite his play actually making me see survivor there. Past that... Iunno I have to read filters not just the thread I think, but I wanna see how OP flips before doing that. Reading 45 pages of thread today was pretty boring TBH. This is scummy as fuck! He reads the thread and all he has to say is that he has 2 town reads. All his earlier scumreads faded away magically. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:51 Old Partner wrote: Well it doesn't matter now but I'll admit I had zero plan of claiming Survivor ever this game. It's like almost never a good idea to do it. However, after realizing I had effectively broken smurf, I decided to claim, and fumbled around in my first post for something I could pass off as a crumb. It was an okay lie! plenty of people believed me, up until WoS died. I consider it a not-bad "Scramble" move all things considered. In retrospect when playing 3p I should just crumb all kinds of shit so I have anything ready to go when I need it. You were so obviously anti-town on D1 it's not even funny. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:57 Old Partner wrote: I mean obviously you saw through me, but the thing is, most of this town is bad! I was doing fine ;_; Before you die tell us who is scum! You can boost your ego! | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:59 Old Partner wrote: hmmm I'll consider it if only for ego purposes Hwy, it's obvious you're gonna die. Did you shoot WoS? | ||
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On September 17 2013 03:08 Old Partner wrote: NO jesus christ if I had kp I'd just claim vigi I don't know why you guys don't get this Okay do you think scum shot WoS? | ||
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On September 17 2013 03:09 Sn0_Man wrote: + Show Spoiler [last game] + On September 05 2013 06:23 Hapahauli wrote: Sn0, who do you think is scum? I've seen you agree/criticize various posts and come up with a bunch of inconclusive statements in your last-reads post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=98#1944 ... but really nothing conclusive from you. On September 05 2013 06:28 Sn0_Man wrote: Correct. I've read the thread and I'm pretty stumped. The person I'm most sure about being scum is probably marv, but I have the least real reasons for that. It's part gut and part the fact that I feel like the thread ought to make more sense than it does and I'm laying that at his feet. I thought Slam/Tofu/Oats were all scum and I came up dry 3 times :/ Oh hey, look what happened last game. Mafia always sucks right around here because I can never establish who is maf. It gets easier once more flips although I'll admit I got it wrong last game. Like, I always end up with a handful of nice solid townreads and the rest of the thread are all fucking scum (even when a lot arent due to numbers). I could tell you why I'd be willing to lynch 6 or 7 different players but that's all been out in the thread already, although not by me. Like, I think Zealos is scum this game but I bet that guy flips town just like blubbers did  The problem with maf is that I never get to play maf If you realize this (what you just said) yourself what makes you not use this as a defence if you are mafia? | ||
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On September 17 2013 03:13 Old Partner wrote: If you think I'd use a youtube video as a crumb like that you really don't understand me at all I meant you could have played pro-town, hid on right night phases and nail scum and therefore have it all (win the game). :D | ||
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On September 17 2013 03:24 Old Partner wrote: Normal Mini is like literally defined by scum having 1 kp So what do you make of Pandain saying scum might have 2, hell-.. even 3 KP?! | ||
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On September 17 2013 03:41 strongandbig wrote: Ryan why in the flying fuck do you have a townread on zealos Seriously why is it that I am having to drag this out of you I do not have a town read on him. I am waiting for him to contribute. If he doesn't we'll lynch him on D3. | ||
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On September 17 2013 03:44 Old Partner wrote: Yeah, maybe. Once WoS flipped though it was a moot point. The only thing that REALLY bothers me is that people still think there's a chance I'm the SK. I may not have given good arguments for why I'm the Survivor, but really there's like literally zero chance I'm the SK It doesn't matter, everyone discussing you is either trolling or hiding. Do not discuss Blazinghand any more. Nothing will come out of it unless you want some information from him that does not include information about him. Especially SnB, stop! | ||
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On September 17 2013 03:50 Old Partner wrote: aww, we're just making some conversation. are you worried I might give something away that would hurt your faction, rayn? lol i am the only one who is trying to figure out your scumreads. You're funny BH. <3 | ||
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On September 17 2013 04:04 strongandbig wrote: I want to know what this is referring to, Ryan. What do you mean? The Zealos part? He had some posts during the deadline that to me read like "lol, i got lynched, maybe? idgaf". I think that's townie. On another note, i asked you some questions earlier, could you answer them? | ||
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On September 17 2013 05:07 Old Partner wrote: oats if you're a fucking rolecop and you've known i'm survivor this whole time without telling anyone i'm gonna be so mad Oats if you are a rolecop and outing yourself because of anti-town survivor i am gonna be so mad. | ||
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On September 17 2013 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Sn0, where did you go? Apparently you have learned from the best! <3 | ||
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On September 17 2013 05:17 Oatsmaster wrote: You guys know that I am of the view that Zealos is obv town and that nobody would ever scumslip like that. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever.Ever. Umasi considering this is really bad. So is sn0dude. Umasi is new and town. Snodude is probably scum. I know what you did there! | ||
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On September 17 2013 05:28 Grackaroni wrote: Hey Rayn, I think I remember reading you saying in a different game that the first RB claim is almost always town. Why do you completely disregard that for this game? Do you believe that somehow a town RB was used on S&B or that mafia chose not to use their n1 RB? Both scenarios seem pretty unlikely. Wait, how am i disregarding that? Did you read my reads post at all? | ||
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On September 17 2013 05:37 kushm4sta wrote: still waiting for panda's last scumgame http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=390080#2 There. Find the name and click the spoiler. | ||
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On September 17 2013 05:42 Grackaroni wrote: Actually I would be interested in that as well. I tried looking and the only scum game I found was this really weird clue game where hosts left clues in the night posts and player talked about nothing but clues. Wasn't really helpful lol. @Umasi: It's not actually a scum slip. Mafia are much more careful before posting than town so the chance of a mafia player "accidentally mistaking posting in the thread what they want to post in the QT" just never happens Don't be so sure. Remember Acrofales claiming voterigger in our mason QT in RED? | ||
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On September 17 2013 05:49 Grackaroni wrote: that's sooooo different lol. There's a big difference between not realizing the QT you are posting is not actually the mafia QT and thinking you are posting in the mafia QT while looking at the game thread. I have half-written like 5 posts as scum in game thread in past games when reading scum QT / the thread simultaneously. Then realized "wtf am i doing". | ||
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READ IT ALL! READ THE RESPONSES! On September 13 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay debears (and everyone). This is what i am saying: Your points of Pandain being scum are: 1) His town read on SnB based on bad reasons 2) policy lynch kushmasta because not helping 3) stance on Zealos (town) and then calling him a good lynch because lurker Now let's compare Pandain's / Old Partner's posts: + Show Spoiler + Pandain: On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote: I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles. Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them. VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time. GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction) I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move. Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread. Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says. I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though. Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. On September 12 2013 14:03 Pandain wrote: Ignore this post except for one key point I realized so we can stay on track of what matters: lurkers. Zealos's post doesn't mean anything I think; I think he was referring to his name in the mythical realm known as real life. Wouldn't make sense otherwise. Also kush I'll probably change from you, I was once the huge spammer too. I'll just ask you to step it up. Old Partner: On September 12 2013 12:31 Old Partner wrote: Wow, so this started! I've finally read up to the most recent page, so here are my notes so far and my statements and questions. + Show Spoiler [notes] + Up through P6 Koshi says policy is "lynch scum". joking? meaningful? what does this mean. says that grack is not a troll. votes SnB for saying "ok but how will you make sure the rest of town doesn't lynch not scum" in response to policy post. wtf? SnB notes PS is coaching a newbie game and asks about it. This is actually pretty next-level and tells me he is town. why is PS and Koshi voting SnB for trying to figure out who PS is? SnB noticing PS in a newbie game and making this connection... means he is probably town. This kind of extra level of thinking is something a town who is honestly trying to figure things out would do. Grack is policy lynching kush. I am okay with this-- kush is illegible. TL towns don't policy lynch nearly enough. P7 Koshi's thing about SnB's word choice is stupid. his word choice being different could be because he has a different alignment, but could be do to any other number of variables, including being presented with a novel "policy" Kush is trolling and I feel stronger about grack's policy vote on kush. His aggression towards kush seems a little over the top but it's okay. Vayne comes in and is actually making a lot of sense. I'm glad he was here at this time. Papasmurf swapping votes to VA seems pretty obviously a knee-jerk reaction. Judging from his word choice, high post count, and the way he moves his votes in response to innocuous statements, he is probably BH. I know you think this kind of thing is real pressure BH/PS, but it's really not. all it does is make your vote meaningless. I revise my read in papasmurf from scummish to townish if he is really BH-- this is how BH plays as town. Vayne's post #137 further reinforces my idea that he is town. His questions are good but don't take into account who papasmurf is. I don't like SnB's #138 though. His responses aren't really meaningful and dont' promote discussion, but it looks like he's contributing. If SnB is scum, I'd be more convinced by hist post #138 than by the other posts he's made before that. P8 Papasmurf is being typical blazinghand in his argument with VA. VA equivocating in post #143 sounds like backtracking, but when you've got PS/BH on you for every little turn of phrase, posts like that get made. Still, a point against him. What is Koshi saying here? SnB's post here isn't scummy but it's not very well-thought-out. why ask all these questions in one post? of course you don't find someone defending you worrying, because he's DEFENDING you. VA's defense is reasonable and people's attacks on SNB prior to P7 second half are unreasonable, but VA has definitely defended SnB on relatively shakey grounds with SnB only had two votes on him. Who is SnB to say that VA wasn't "trying to be right" as so many scum do? What we have here is SnB 'wants' VA to be town, because he doesn't like the idea of being defended by scum. Not saying it's true/false, but SnB what you're doing here is stating a conclusion then looking for evidence to back it up, rather than the other way around. PS/BH with the classic "dumb or scum" statement. P9 VA's "my two cents" and "lol" strike me as odd in 162. Would you say that as town? off-handedly, sure. I like VA for town still. I could see him diffusing tension after this, though. I have questions for him. WoS's inactivity claim strikes me as very convenient. This should be considered a mark against him regardless of circumstances. GK's entrance is solid. It's the kind of question someone who just caught up reading would ask-- he's actually reading the thread for sure. So, now that I'm caught up, a few statements and questions S + Q 1. I know this game is very conversational, but all the spam and one-lining makes it difficult to read and analyze. Some people have that style, and it doesn't take that much longer to read, but it will take me a little bit of time to get used to it. I am glad that people are getting involved! 2. Yes, I am a smurf. I have played on TL before and thought I could use a new start... the hosts know about this and are okay with it. 3. I know we're long past policy, but since I am a smurf and don't have a history written out of what policies I like, here are my thoughts on policy: i. TL towns do not policy lynch enough, not by far ii. the policy lynch should be used D1, not any time close to lylo, since the d1 lynch is the least useful iii. the policy lynch must be stated with full willingness to follow through, and mislynch, as a result iiii. policy lynch should be used on fake-claimers, liars, lurkers, and players whose play is generally unacceptable. v. I may have a scumread today I consider more strongly than a policy lynch. I will be open as possible with my reads and thoughts so that i can be convinced, and convincing. I think our best play on D1 can be to policy lynch though... it makes play stronger. I am aware this is a controversial opinion, but it is also a good one. If you disagree with me, that is okay 4. This is @vayneauthority: despite the fact that you have interacted obliquely with Koshi, you do not mention him ever. Do you think he is town, or he is scum? What do you think of his initial vote on SnB for questioning his "policy" of lynching scum? What do you think of his "policy"? Why haven't you weighed in on him yet? 5. this is @SnB: you think koshi is "uncomfortable" and "projecting"... and you also say he is "silly". do you have a scumread on him or not? 5.b this is @SnB: what do you think of VA, in light of my notes on him? Would you say your perception of him is colored by his defense of you? taking that into account, do you see why he is viewed as scummy? 6. this is @papa_smurf: why did you smurf into this game? Are you really BH? After you unvote SnB you don't mention him again. Do you still have a scumread on him, or do you think he is town because VA is scum? On September 12 2013 13:07 Old Partner wrote: now I am really caught up! More statements and questions accompany these notes. + Show Spoiler [P11 and P12 notes[/spoiler] + P10 GK's question of grack is reasonable grack's response is also seems reasonable wow, I really like GK's followup analysis/summary in post #183. I hadn't realized this sort of contradiction in grack's reasoning. After all, it does seem weird for VA to have a strong townread so suddenly, but he did give a reason. the natural point to turn on thwn would be to engage that reason in discussion/analysis. WoS's followup looks town-motivated to me. I don't like that he calls SnB's unusually strong effort not-townie. SnB seems like a somewhat obvious town to me at least in terms of how he's thinking. If his usual level of effort is less than this, and he stepped it up, he should be town. WoS could really not know what to think of this, but i dont' see why this would not be a towntell for SnB. I haven't been paying an appropriate amount of attention to grack, and WoS's read looks like a solid one to me. He is jumping the gun by voting on small evidence, but perhaps that is his style-- all ##vote and no ##fos. I will be interested to see his target's regracktion to this attack. A standard call-out of a /confirmer and a name-claimer, nothing too special at the end there. Overall, I am less interested in a WoS lynch today after this post. If he will be posting like this regularly he is worth keeping around. His statement on Kush intrigues me. I am not familiar with Kush's meta other than that many players consider him bad/trollish. I don't understand VA's non-3p read. That's not a useful read to make at all. 8( Ah, here we see debears smurf-slipping, as mentioned to me. Papa_smurf, what a chump! VA is backtracking and equivocating again. This is not what I would expect a town player to do. his response to the debears smurfslip is immediate suspicion based on... lying? P11 It looks like now there is a discussion about Aperture mafia and these players interacted there. PS/DB's read on VA's early strong read (something that scum would do, say, on a townie to collect towncred) is supposed to not make sense given that PS/DB played with VA in Aperture. I'm not sure why PS/DB backs off from VA here. 1. @VA, if you are accusing PS/DB of not understanding your meta and hiding that fact based on events in Aperture, you should quote, link, or otherwise point us towards the incrongruity. 2. @WoS, I would like to know about your read on SnB. SnB's finding out that PS is coaching a newbie game, then asking him about it, strikes me as townie. After all, making that connection is not something he'd have to do as scum. Townies inherently are trying to find things out about the game, whereas scum are trying to conceal. You also make a meta note that SnB is trying much harder to help and be productive this game. Why doesn't this result in a townread on SnB for you? I'd like to hear your thought process. 3. @VA (again), I'd like to know specifically what lead to your non-3p read on WoS. You say it was just a joke, but this is the second time you have backtracked/equivocated. I'm willing to accept it as a joke, especially with the smiley face, but what brought it to mind? Why, in a post in which you explicitly buddy WoS, do you say your read on him is non-3p, and not say, townie? I know you have history with him, but surely you'd prefer to just call him town? 4 @PS/DB, I am okay with kush's policy vote on WoS-- it is not a scumtell. I am willing to policy lynch kush based on his previous play, but we have not come to that part of the day yet. There is much to see and talk about first. Would you be interested in policy lynching kush? unless we have a vigilante, we can expect him to be a burden at LYLO. he has said and analyzed nothing, and his taste in culinary television is questionable at best. Similitaries: - Read on SnB (your point (1) of Pandain being scum) - Policy on kush (your point (2) of Pandain being scum) Differences: - Pandain gives other reads with reasoning - Old Partner says: 1) "This happened then that happened" 2) "These guys could be scum or they could be town" TLDR; Why are people sold on Pandain being scum but ignoring OP, as they have same (bad) arguments, but Pandain has some good ones too, when OP does not? | ||
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On September 17 2013 07:31 kushm4sta wrote: holy shit bhs flipping scum is such a gold mien of reads lol SnB is totally scum! | ||
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On September 17 2013 08:01 Papa_Smurf wrote: Ok. The day 1 vote tells us quite a bit at this point I believe bolded are confirmed/almost confirmed. Colored are slight/likely One thing I would like to note about Pandain's vote. Pandain tried to vote zealos or blubb, essentially to save OP as admitted. But, notice how quickly he voted for OP the next day. First vote. Now, based on BH's actions this last day, the scum very likely planned the bus on BH after the last second vote swap. The best way to go about it from a mafia perspective is to bus, and bus hard. The vote switch to zealos from blobb by Pandain would also make sense in that, if him and OP were on zealos's lynch, and zealos is town, then being grouped on a townie lynch would look really bad as a scumteam. This brings me back to suspicion on Pandain. VA's plopped vote on Blubb all day is looking much more suspicious, along with his recent lack of contributions. OP's vote on zealos almost makes me think Zealos is town. FU Pandain is town. He was the first counter wagon to BH. | ||
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On September 17 2013 08:03 kushm4sta wrote: SNB not SCUM imo Hey PS/debears, you metasolved scumball, why is your scumbro grack slight town?? SnB has not done anything on D2 but made himself look better by arguing with BH. Totally scum. Like confirmed scum. | ||
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You are scum. EZPZ! | ||
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I pretty firmly believe you were right on bh because of luck; your reasons for voting him were a policy lynch on his playstyle when there was no way of knowing that he wasn't one of many townies who tend to hurt town with their play styles. But that's not important anymore. What is important is that if you don't step the fuck off my back and start finding and pushing the actual scum, town could easily still lose this. Also fu with this. | ||
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I do not need to answer you anything. You start finding scum and let go of a confirmed town if you are town. | ||
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On September 17 2013 08:35 strongandbig wrote: Haha rayn you're cute. I'm But if you're still serious. (1) it's very hypocritical for you to push me for not doing anything day 2 when you were the one saying that as long as you were happy with the lynch you were not going to make cases. No one did anything day 2 cause the lynch was essentially pre-determined. (2) Why would I as scum have pushed hard for a last minute vote switch onto zealos when I could easily have swapped to kush? (3) compare my play this game to any scum game of mine and tell me they're similar. I dare you to do that and not look like a lunatic. (4) I explained the pandain/bh thing day 1. Your reasoning was "pandain took stances therefore town" but his stances day 1 were easy stances for scum to take - attacking lurkers and pushing for a kush lynch. Plus his logic for those stances was lacking and didnt demonstrate a town mindset. Since day 1 he's stepped up his posting significantly and good on him, but as of the day one lynch there was very good reason for thinking he was scummier than bh and you are currently being blinded by the fact that you lucked into being right. I pretty firmly believe you were right on bh because of luck; your reasons for voting him were a policy lynch on his playstyle when there was no way of knowing that he wasn't one of many townies who tend to hurt town with their play styles. But that's not important anymore. What is important is that if you don't step the fuck off my back and start finding and pushing the actual scum, town could easily still lose this. Okay, i'll still answer: 1) Simply wrong. There were people who were trying to figure out stuff. Me, Koshi, debears, kush, Oats come to mind. 2) Because voting ofr kush and him flipping town would look awful. There were townies already on blubbers, a lot of townies assume kush is town. I dunno, maybe kush is scum, who the fuck knows. Suddenly he looks a lot worse for his push on debears D2. 3) Yeah you are authentic. Just like in Sicilian. No i don't really know your meta, but you have not done shit this game. 4) No, my reasoning was something else. You are wrong. | ||
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On September 17 2013 08:54 Papa_Smurf wrote: Rayne this is terrible thinking. Why wouldn't kush oats and koshi be scum on me then for actually trying to start a wagon on me over BH then d2? I dunno about kush, Oats was a main pusher of BH on D1 besides me. Koshi is town. | ||
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On September 17 2013 10:14 strongandbig wrote: 1. You weren't. You were sitting on the op lunch and telling us all why you didn't need to do anything else. 2. You're just tunneling now. Changing your read on kush to maintain your tunnel on me. 3. If you believe this you are an idiot. 4. No u There's no way I'm getting lynched anyway so I'm just gonna ignore you for a while. So tell me about zealos. I'm inclined to believe that the reason people were pushing hard for kush as an alternative lynch to bh rather than zealos is because zealos is also scum. I really don't agree with you that his post death stuff makes him seem town, and I intend to do my best to get zealos lynched tomorrow unless I see an extremely persuasive case on someone else. 1) This is a straight out lie. You are taking one post of mine (to Vayne) and descibe the whole phase by it. lol. Anyone who's been following D2 knows this is a lie. 2) .... idk what to say. kush's alignment has nothing to do with yours. You asked for a scenario, i gave you one, now you call me out for it? 3) Let's see what you have done this game. "rayn is scum, maybe not, maybe he is, maybe not. Zealos is scum, here is a meta-case, oh actually it's not that good, but Zealos is scum, lynch zealos, zealos is scum. Hmm i wonder if OP is survivor/scum/sk??" This is everything you have talked about in this game. me, Zealos, and BH (in a manner that does not help anyone. who the fuck cared if he was scum/survivor/sk after he claimed he will not be helping town). You have never tried to convince anyone to vote for Zealos. You do never interact with anyone in this game other than me. You do not have any other reads (besides one post where you say kush is prolly town). You don't talk about anything besides lynching Zealos, and you are not even trying to convince anyone into lynching him, nor are you trying to figure out more by asking questions from him. You just say "lynch Zealos, he is scum". 4) My reasoning was that Pandain's post had 5 reads with reasoning besides tha point "policy lynch kush and lurkers". BH's post had "policy lynch kush (without "knowing" his meta as he claimed) and lurkers" and "this happened then that happened". That was my fucking point and that's why i was keen in knowing how the fuck does Pandain look worse by his first post than BH. Of course nobody ever answered me (besides Koshi), as usual... So, if you are town stop this bullshit already and start playing the game. Start interacting with people whose nickname is not raynpelikoneet and start telling people why Zealos is scum if you want him lynched. You know my stance on him, it should be clear. | ||
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On September 17 2013 20:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not actually a cop, mafia, dont shoot me. Rayn, can you give us a summary of your top 3 scumreads? I dont really know them after n1. This might not be accurate, and i'll write a bigger post about this before PC, but yes: Vayne - what i said on D2. SnB/Zealos - i think one of them is scum and the other one is town. Both have done nothing besides called each other scum, SnB calls me scum and Zealos calls me town. Roleblock speaks in SnB's favor, unless there is town JK who decided to offensive jail and that's why scum KP didn't go through (i do not think this is likely, but it is a possibility). Last one is hard. Maybe Pandain, maybe Sno, maybe debears (this read has weakened a lot). | ||
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On September 17 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote: I think everyone was confused. So I wouldnt say that this makes Pandain and BH not scum together. You can't really call scum confused can you? They have QT to discuss things and make plans. Townies yes, were likely confused. I mean, if we assume Zealos is scum aswell. Would BH and scum take a risk of having 2 scum wagons opposed to one town wagon where if one townie swittches votes scum dies? | ||
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On September 17 2013 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually i wanna discuss the SnB Roleblock. After n1, I think he was not in anyone's townlist so why would scum roleblock him and give him towncred? Makes no sense to me. Nobody saw anything blue about him right? Thats why Im thinking its a town roleblock. Also Scum wont send kp through SnB, so I doubt kp was blocked from that. In case SnB is town scum would probably assume he is blue from the way he played D1 and N1. Because really, he has not engaged into any discussion other than me/Zealos. | ||
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On September 17 2013 21:13 Oatsmaster wrote: You are really trying to justify the scum roleblock on SnB. Why? I am not trying to justify anything. I am saying it's far more likely that in case SnB was really roleblocked it's scum roleblock. First of all town roleblocker is usually a jailkeeper. Jailers usually do not offensive jail, at least on N1. Scum roleblock possible blues, no matter how good or bad they look. SnB wasn't looking too bad for anyone except for me. He was not a top lynch candidate for D2, probably not for D3 either. It makes sense for scum to roleblock him in case he is town. That's what i am saying. | ||
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On September 17 2013 21:13 Oatsmaster wrote: in a 5 minute span? No way effective communication happens. It's not a 5min span. The voteswitch on OP happened 5:12-5:14. Lynch was 7:00. That's nearly 2 hours for scum to figure out how to get out of that shit. | ||
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On September 17 2013 21:22 Oatsmaster wrote: not that dude. the part where OP voted for zealos and pandain voted for bubbles. Isnt that what we are talking about? Also, look back at n1, SnB was like the second probable lynch man. After OP. and he was scum roleblocked which pretty much makes it hard to lynch him??? Thats horrific scum play. And it didnt happen. Town RB's that arent JK's exist too man. Yes, that makes me think they are not scum together. They had 2 hours. The fact that they acted in the last 5 minutes speaks in favor of them not being scum together, because Pandain was here, BH claimed he lied about not being here. If they were scum they HAD TIME TO DISCUSS THE LYNCH when the votes did pile up on BH. If they were scum together they WOULD have that 2 hours and they would not have made a risky shitfest like that imo. SnB was not the second lynch. I was the only one pushing that (besides Zealos and Grack agreeing with me). Tbh that was not gonna happen, for real. Too many people disgreeing with me. Even if i was right and SnB was scum there was no way i was gonna get him lynched. I think we should let SnB talk for himself now and D3. I am a bit confused, do you think he is scum or not? | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:03 kushm4sta wrote: Rayne you can't assume grack is gonna bus debears. Koshi what role says three scummers. I think 1 survivorq 4 scummers. Why was wos killed? Some weird ability like ##hide, which showed us this game has unconventional roles. But there is no point in fakeclaiming as scum because he didn't have to. It does not help anything if he fakeclaims as scum. Zero, none, nada. WoS was either shot by SK, shot by vigilante who is a JOAT or some shit, or shot by scum (lol) for some stupid reason. If WoS was not shot by scum and there is a SK there should be 2 KP this night. | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:10 kushm4sta wrote: How stupid is it to reveal the amount of scum in the death post? You cannot assume that means 3 scum. Why would sk kill wos... that makes as much sense as scum doing it. SK want's to kill everyone. That means they want to kill people scum do not kill, because they do not want to stack a hit with scum. WoS was scummy as fuck and therefore a no-kill for scum. | ||
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Scum want to hit people who look townie. SK wants to hit people scum do not hit and keep a balance between scum/town ratio to ensure his survival. | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:17 Oatsmaster wrote: whos sk rayn and Koshi? I have no idea and i do not care about it right now because it might be that there is no SK. | ||
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Why would vayne as SK kill a dude who was sheeping him and thought he was town? | ||
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I mean his reasoning "the meeting is over now", when he has before that posted 6 times in an hour? | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:43 kushm4sta wrote: Maybe he had to GO?? MAybe he was bored with the back and forth? I dont know but there are a million probable townie reasons. No, there is only one possible townie reason. He had a meeting that lasted ~25 minutes and started JUST as Oats asked him about BH. Every other explanation is that he is lying and therefore scum. | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:42 kushm4sta wrote: A generalized metagame defense of vayne My qualifications: I've been on a scumteam with vayne before quite recently. Vayne is the kind of player who looks scummier as town than scum. He is superficially scummier as town because he does not give much effort and is not cooperative with tryhard scumhunters. As scum, his posts are much more constructed and it looks like he is trying harder. Why is Vayne scum? I will try to counter any argument you present. Vayne didn't give a fuck about D1 lynch and left his vote on blubbers for reasons never explained. He even called the guy townier than some other dudes at some point on D1. He never gave any reasons for his vote, he never tried to push the lynch. He never tried to push any lynch. After D1 he called people on "his wagon" scummy as fuck or bad. It was not his wagon because he never gave any reasoning for his vote. It doesn't mean shit that he was the first one to vote for blubbers. On D2 he went into shitfest with me & Koshi and has done no scumhunting at all after that. He "correctly identified the scumteam" but had his vote on survivor. No explanation given when asked. | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:52 kushm4sta wrote: VAYNE JUST Because Someone Doens't Give As Much Effort As You, Explain Every ACtion they Take, Or Respond Promply To Your Incessant Lines Of Questioning, That Doesn't Make Them Scum. lol, he hasn't given ANY FUCKS ABOUT FINDING SCUM THIS GAME! Point me one post of his where he is scumhunting after 12h into the game? And no, the early game does not matter because that was dumb argument over nothing. | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:54 kushm4sta wrote: What about sn0's afk is scummy? He made his thoughts on BH perfectly clear. UNLIKE grack. UNLIKE pandain. Scum can panic when some info comes up. Otas said "what if i can prove BH is a survivor?". Assume Sno is scum. He knows BH is in fact a Godfather. Sno has said he want's to lynch BH unless he is confirmed survivor. What the hell is Oats doing? What is he after? Does he have a green check on BH? Why is he saying things about proving BH is survivor? How should i respond? "Scum QT help me!!!" | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:55 VayneAuthority wrote: it's cool ill defend myself when the time comes, i know im not scum. I gave reasoning for my blubb vote and I wasn't around for the hours before the lynch or I would have changed my vote if I saw how many scummy people were bandwagoning me. So anything about the whole blubb thing is just a straight up lie. Could you show me your reasoning for blubbb vote because i can't find it from your filter. | ||
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On September 17 2013 23:02 kushm4sta wrote: No...sno just really thought bh was survivor. he made that very clear.. But obviously we had to lynch him. Everyone agreed on that. Sn0 was curious aobut Oats claim, WHAT TOWN WOULDN"T BE?? you cant say hes scum for being curious. Especially since it possibly confirmed his belief that bh was a survivor The immediate response for a townie would be: "Why the fuck would you claim a cop/rolecop and defend a survivor?" That's not what Sno did. | ||
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On September 17 2013 23:05 kushm4sta wrote: Untrue. Untrue to the uber max. My response would have been the same as Sn0's in his shoes. If i was cop I would defend a survivor in TWO SECONDS because it's a dumb lynch if he's a survivor. Trust me kushmasta. I know how this shit works having played a ton of off thread comm games. I use the same kinda trap often. Example: I am having a convo with someone who is scum, they have hit player X on night: me: "okay so what happened during the night?" them: "impossible to say, scum hit X, maybe vigi, maybe SK, i dunno" me: "okay i know scum did not hit X" This is what happens next: town (immediately): "oh okay, so you are a vigi then? i doubt you would claim as SK. Or has someone claimed to you the hit?" Mafia does not know what they should answer. They know i am lying. They do not know what i am after. Usually they do not think this kinda stuff through (what they should answer - beforehand) because who the fuck would fakeclaim a hit mafia did? They panic and fuck up, or go silent. Or if they are good they have run fake scenarios in their head. Townies do not panic or go silent because townies run these possible scenarios in their head beforehand. | ||
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On September 17 2013 23:18 kushm4sta wrote: stfu with your wifom. i don't care how many comm games you play, you are wrong hella often and this is one of those times. scum might answer that way or they might stfu and not say anything or they might say zomg you are lying. There is a range of possible scum responses. There is also a range of possible town responses. THEY OVERLAP. Sn0's repsonse was standard town. Your argument is pure wifom. The point is not what Sno's answer was. The point is it took Sno 30 minutes to answer while before that he had been active in thread (he had 6 posts in last 30 minutes). When he answered, he said "the meeting is now over". There is only one town motivation: Sno had a meeting that started just when Oats asked the question. I am not buying it. | ||
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On September 17 2013 23:26 kushm4sta wrote: A meeting?? OR he had to take a shit. or he was playing a video game, or he was DOING ANYTHING LOL. Your assumptions are WIFOM. HE FUCKING SAID HE HAD A MEETING! On September 17 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Oh hi meeting done. I don't think I'd believe you Oats since I've been immunized with too many fake-claims recently. Plus, reasonably if you were a rolecop and you copped OP its not worth revealing your role to save a 3p survivor (IMO) unless you have a certain scum lynch instead (which I don't see). Which makes it more likely that you would be fake-claiming. Etc. Oats re "scumslip": I mentioned that Zealos would have to have been "dropped as a child" to post that as scum. wtf is wrong with you kush? | ||
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On September 17 2013 23:29 kushm4sta wrote: k so why couldn't he have had a meeting? Yes he could. I just don't buy the fact he suddenly had a meeting JUST when Oats asked him about BH. Maybe you buy it, i don't. Besides that there is nothing in his filter that tells me he is town. He was okay with lynching Zealos later on D2. | ||
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On September 17 2013 23:35 kushm4sta wrote: WHAT have grack and pandain done since d1 in terms of scumhunting?????????? Nothing. You can add everyone besides me, you, Oats, Koshi and maybe debears to that list too. | ||
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[green]Oats, Grack, Umasi, Koshi, kush[green]. Pandain had a strong late-D1. On N1 he went MIA. Hasn't done anything since and it worries me. debears doesn't give a fuck. kush had a good point in him not elaborating on stuff asked. That's how he has rolled with me too. Probably scum or SK. SnB i talked about already. Scum. Wanted to hunt for SK on N2. t_T Hasn't done anything. One of Sno/Zealos is probably scum. In case it's Zealos, SnB is prolly town. In case it's Sno, then it is. Vayne hasn't done anything after the first 12h into the game. I am not sure if it makes him scum because he is stubborn. Could be SK, could be scum, could be town, cop him plz if you have not already. I would have wanted to talk with Oats more at some point on N2 but he was MIA at that time. Bleh, i hope he figures the game out if i die. Good luck townies! | ||
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On September 18 2013 06:39 strongandbig wrote: rayn why does umasi's claim make him town? It doesn't make him town, other stuff does. I think all the people who were on BH D1 are town because of the clusterfuck last minute. | ||
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On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote: got roleblocked last night can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? On September 18 2013 07:17 VayneAuthority wrote: also whoever roleblocked me should come forward and confirm me, that would be great. On September 18 2013 07:28 VayneAuthority wrote: so there you have it, koshi didn't say he was rb'ed yesterday so he took 2 shots. there's the missing shot from yesterday. I would like to hear your thought process behind these posts vayne. To me this souds really odd because of the following: SnB was roleblocked N1. He was town. You were roleblocked N2. You know you are town. There was only 1 death N1. Town veteran died N2 with SnB. In any case, for you, there are 2 roleblock claims. SnB was town so he wa not lying. You should automatically assume Koshi was hit on N1 and N2. Why do you need to know if veteran ability can be blocked or not before you can say so, you were roleblocked, remember? Or are you scum, roleblocked Koshi on N2 and hit him, and now you are going "see guys, i am right" and fakeclaiming the roleblock? Also why would mafia not roleblock you if you are town? | ||
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Papa is probably town, I think Vayne is, waiting to see more of Oats, Zealos, and Sno_man, especially the latter. First one we lynch should be one of Vayne, Sno, and zealos, as I'm not too confident in Kush anymore after reading his town filters. I'm going to do an analysis on all of them and hopefully it will be good Why is Vayne first probably town, and after that in your lynch priority list? What changed during that time? | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:12 Grackaroni wrote: Yup, that last minute vote switch. OP wasn't even in the thread before he did that shit. Totally townie response. On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote: I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it? ##Predayvote:OP vigipls Totally townie response. On September 14 2013 07:18 Pandain wrote: Alright, this is a lot of good stuff to analyze. I'll make a post later. Totally null response. Never analyzes this later. On September 14 2013 07:19 kushm4sta wrote: I.believe bh Totally null response. On September 14 2013 07:19 Sn0_Man wrote: OP's claim is bullshit I think. Unless BlazingHand is a character in Golden Sun? Also I didn't see any particularly out-of-place capital S in that post but it was about 2000 words so I may just not have seen it. Totally supertownie response. Like what scum does not know or fakes they do not know BH is in their team? On September 14 2013 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote: im back, catching up now. saw the mislynch though =/ gotta look at the people that followed my wagon with little to no support. Totally null to scummy response. Doesn't even address the most important issue in thread atm. On September 14 2013 08:14 Papa_Smurf wrote: Lol BH I love you <3 Some things off the top of my head: Raynp's and Koshi's dropping of SnB is off(especially gotta look at raynp, that little bugger). I wouldn't think both are scum . Seemed like the thread presence of vayne and grack fell off (not sure but had town reads on them double checking that shit). And guess I'll just wait til rigghhhhhtttt about dawn for anything super insightful. Haven't really decided if I'll post right before or quite a bit before I have no idea what this means. If i had to guess i'd say leaning on town because if i was scum with BH i would be super mad at him for fakeclaiming. Other people (Oats) didn't say anything. For Oats that's reasonable as he was probably sleeping and he pushed BH on D1 anyways so idgaf about it. He's town. From this: Snodude, Zealos, Grackaroni, and Umasi + Oats (for different reasons), debears. kushmasta, Pandain. VayneAuthority Holy shit, there are only three players left who are not green! If anyone disagrees with me, time to talk. | ||
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On September 18 2013 20:56 kushm4sta wrote: i disagree! what grack said wasn't townie. just busing in an obvious bus spot Why the fuck would you buss? There is a chance town buys the claim and does not lynch BH D2? If you take hard chances like that and buss you are gonna have a hard time not justifying any other vote than a vote on BH on D2. Grackaroni was the first who said "BH is scum or anti-town, that's it" after me. | ||
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I think it's impossible that BlazingHand is scum with Pandain and debears. Hell i think it's impossible that either of Pandain/BH is scum. The reason is this. BH + one of Pandain/debears would make 2/3 best players in this game as scum. Do you think scumteam would fuck up on D1-N1 like they did in case one of those guys was scum with BH. Hell fucking no. That makes Pandain/debears non-scum. Interestingly enough, if (when) Vayne flips scum, it will be confirmed that he is lying about the roleblock. That makes it 99% certain that scum roleblocked and hit Koshi on N2. That also means they did not hit Koshi on N1. Look at Vayne's posts at the start of D3 and about the roleblock. lol, that's crap. Anyways, if scum did not hit Koshi on N1, it means scum most likely hit the SK. Mafia definitely did not hit WoS on N1, that's absurd given that BH was alive, he's too good to make such a crappy hit. That leaves us with debears/Pandain as SK. kushmasta is scum too i believe. He has pushed debears/Pandain all game with no real reasoning (well there is some on debears - but it's not strong). | ||
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On September 18 2013 21:50 Zealos wrote: I think BH is scum too You should start commenting on the game now.. Even if i think you are not scum nor SK there are 7 other people in this game who might not. Prove that you are town. You havn't talked about anything besides "SnB is scum". Guess what, he wasn't. | ||
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On September 18 2013 22:09 kushm4sta wrote: rayne im really frustrated with you right now. your arguments are just bad and not how you play this game. your argument: they are a good scumteam so they would not have let that cluster fuck happen is a terrible argument and wrong. full of wifom. what interaction between grack/bh leads you to believe that grack is town? The interaction after BH's claim. BH calls Grack scum for his voteswitch and then Grack calls BH's scumread bad (for reasonable reasons). That ensures even more that Grack can't accept any other lynch on D2 that BH. Remember, there are yet ~half of the players who have not posted on N1. There is no way scum can 100% assume BH is gonna get lynched on D2. That's unnecessary and really dumb if Grack is scum with BH. If that was the case BH is making Grack to either (1) totally vote for BH on D2, or (2) possibly out himself in case he is trying to push another lynch than BH. And yes, my reasoning for debears/Pandain is reasonable. IF you think it's false explain to me why. "Best" players (especially when teamed up together) make very little mistakes compared to other people. | ||
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Here's his filter from p3 -> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427569&user=Grackaroni¤tpage=3 How does BH/Pandain/Grack make sense to you as scumteam? | ||
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On September 18 2013 22:38 kushm4sta wrote: There is work for me to do on this game, for sure. Hopefully I will do it tonight. MY to do list includes 1 a case on grack 2 a case on panda 3 a case on debears (plus an expansion of my metaread including newer games) 4 defense of vayne/zealos/anyone else people want to lynch I will get to this later, but which would you like first rayne? Case on Grack and defense on Vayne. | ||
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On September 14 2013 12:29 Grackaroni wrote: You think that both Rayn and BH look scummy. Rayn was repeatedly pushing BH over Pandain when nobody was suspicious of BH. do you think that Rayn was actually bussing BH today or do you think that they both have things about them that are scummy but it is unlikely that they are scum together? Where do you get the idea that i would be bussing BH? It was not sure he was scum then. If i was scum and he was not, why is it fishy for SnB to assume i could be scum and BH is not? | ||
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What do you think about the post i wrote about N1 reactions to BH's claim? Ignore kush talking about you being SK, what do you make of the argument between me and him? | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:08 Oatsmaster wrote: I honestly think that this makes kush town. I actually think you are right. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:12 Papa_Smurf wrote: Raynp a couple things: Assuming that the "good" (I think experienced is a better word since good is game by game) are not on the same side is a very dangerous line to walk. It may be the case this game, but not every game. also, assuming that the sk is one of the more experienced is 3p is wromg. Once you get into vet games the skill differencr isnt that great overall. Yeah you are right. I was trying to put myself into scum shoes on D1. I would never ever let D1 end + N1 happen as it did. Actually kush has some good points against Pandain & Grack. There are some seriously weird stuff they did on D1 end and on N1. I can even explain Grack's fakeclaim from mafia!pov but for this to hold water Vayne has to be scum. How about Vayne/Grack for scum, Pandain as SK? | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:14 Papa_Smurf wrote: Kush has been shitting up the thread, especially since n2. Umasi and I have talked about it, hence umasi switching to kush ill keep saying this: kush is very likely scum I do not think this is true. Kush is not shitting up the thread. He is providing reads with reasoning. Even if the reasoning behind these reads is bad, it does not make him scum. He is trying to push lynches on people who he thinks are scum. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:19 Papa_Smurf wrote: Funny thing is, if grack is scum, wouldnt kush be scum for bussing him? I can see vayne as scum. pandain as sk is possible, I would definitely label him as not scum What speaks against PAndain not being scum if you don't buy my "experienced" theory? I mean, against Pandain there is most eveidence for scum. He switched his vote at the last second to save BH from getting lynched. | ||
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Mafia hit does not go through for whatever reason on N1. They know it. They also know who they hit. What would you think in case you are scum: 1) Was the guy docced/jailed (not jailed unless scum hit SnB (lol) on N1)? 2) Is the guy bulletproof SK? 3) Is the guy veteran? What to do. Fakeclaim veteran for some bullshit reason (honestly Grack's reasoning for claiming was not that good). What happens next. Look at Koshi's response for the fakeclaim. It screams "fuck you, you are fakeclaiming, i am vet". Then Grack retracts from his claim and says "i was looking for reactions". Okay, what have we got here: 1) In case scum hit Koshi on N1. Good, we can safely assume he is a vet. Hit him again, he dies. (this means Vayne is probably town - why would scum block Koshi when he has no night life left?). 2) In case scum did not hit Koshi on N1. Good we now know who the SK most likely is. Or he was docced. We also figured out Koshi is the vet most likely. Roleblock + hit him the next night (he looks townie as fuck anyways) and have one of our team claim the roleblock. Vayne is under suspicion, looks really good on him! Except that Vayne's RB claim was full of shit. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:34 Grackaroni wrote: Haha ok Rayn, I would never purposely pull myself into a situation where I would gain lots of attention/suspicion just so that I could figure out player's roles. Did you gain suspicion until now? No, you did gain town-credit. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote: Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. ...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote: I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:45 VayneAuthority wrote: I just spent the last 5 pages explaining it, you can't be serious right? read the thread moron There is nothing else to say than: "I got roleblocked, that means scum hit Koshi on N1 and N2". Why did you even ask the hosts if vet can be roleblokced? What's the point? You said "as Koshi did not claim roleblock on D2 it means he was hit on both nights". What? Like scum roleblock the veteran N1 and hit him on N2 and he dies? ROFLLLLL! | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote: you voting for OP wasn't a suspicious vote because you had already started the case on him earlier in your filter. Oats kind of pushed him earlier but not nearly enough to convince others to vote for him. The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP. And you bought that at face value given that: 1) You were suspicious of Pandain 2) Pandain was right there defending OP 3) At early on in the game when i voted for OP and gave my reasoning (which was in fact exactly what made people vote for him in the end) there were a lot of people arguing against OP being scum. Makes sense how? | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:49 VayneAuthority wrote: once again, i already explained everything you just posted. learn 2 read Okay, let's talk about something else. This is going nowhere. I made a post about people's reactions to N1 start OP's last second vote / his claim. Ignore my analysis on yourself, what do you think about it? | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:58 Grackaroni wrote: 1 and 2) Scum basically never come out like this and start hard defending a teammate this vocally. They think it will make them appear too scummy. 3) I don't remember anyone arguing that they thought Op wasn't scum except Koshi. Okay this is the chain of events in chronological order: You change your vote on OP and give a reasoning for it. Oats makes a case on OP and votes for him. Then me/Umasi/WoS vote for OP. You have a scumread on SnB and Pandain. SnB starts a wagon on Zealos. Pandain joins the Zealos wagon and says "there is no resistance to OP lynch". What do you do after that? You agree with you scumread on a wagon that's been pushed by your other scumread! for what, "because there is no resistance on the dude's lynch i think is scum, besides the other two dudes i think are scum". What do you need, do your town reads need to oppose a scumlynch for you to think the lynch is in fact on scum? Your voting behavior on D1 makes absolutely zero sense. | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:25 VayneAuthority wrote: now can we lynch grack/pandain and get off my ballsack, thanks I see no reason why we shouldn't. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Grackaroni | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:27 Grackaroni wrote: I even indicated earlier that Zealos was scummy and that I was going to consider switching on to him. Pandain's post and the easy flow of unexpected vote were enough to make me uncomfortable with the lynch and prompted me to switch. What doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that you have three scumreads. OP, Pandain, SnB. You switch from your scumread to another person who is pushed by both of your other scumreads, while the wagon you were on has zero scumreads of yours.. The reasoning is "noone is agruing against OP lynch". :p | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:29 Pandain wrote: Actually your right, if Vayne was role blocked he couldn't have shot. Doesn't change the fact that Zealos is still the best lynch. Don't understand how you can defend someone who's play so drastically differs from his town play in previous games. Zealos isn't a town lurker, or at least a town non contributing person. He's a mafia one, etc mtg mafia. Why would you go off worse reads when blue roles will provide us more info later on Zealos might be SK but i want to lynch scum now because it gives us better connections to the last scum. Zealos is not mafia because of D1 votes. | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Look guys, I know things get heated up sometimes, when playing. But I have repeatedly asked you to keep the tone down. This is really my last warning on insults. Next one will get modkilled as soon as I see the post. You don't need to bother with me. I don't take it personally. Although i agree in general. | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:38 Pandain wrote: If you think Zealos is sk then lynch him to lower kp. He also can clearly be mafia to day one votes and you ignore context otherwise. Okay so Zealos is mafia and Blazinghand last minute switches to lynch a scumbuddy instead of lynching town!blubbers? Bullshiiiiitttt.. | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:40 Grackaroni wrote: ugh, It's so obvious that I wasn't suspicious of Pandain anymore because of the posts he was making when I switched on to Zealos. I'm pretty sure I even directly wrote that guy is town. i think even you agreed that Pandain was likely town from those posts pushing people off of the BH wagon. lol no, i thought he was town because of how he argued with me on SnB. I think he looks terribad from his voteswitch and his reads change on N1. You say you were not suspicious of Pandain any more. I asked your reasoning. You pointed out the post where he pushed out people from voting for OP. I dunno how you can drop your scumread on him based on him defending BH. Your scumread is defending your scumread, he gets a town read from you based on that. What gives? | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:42 Pandain wrote: It's not certain though it might point to him then being SK. I have devoted already too much of my time to this, if you can't see regardless ignoring meta hat Zealos is the best lynch the. I don't have time to convince you. I am not going to vote for Zealos. You need to convince others. What do you think about what i wrote on Grackaroni? | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote: this game just got really stupid. Elaborate please. | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Pandain is pushing town. Rayn and others are pushing town. Whats going on Rayn? Why not kill VA? Because there is a bigger chance of Grackaroni being scum. Do you usually give town reads to people because they are your scumread and defend your scumread? Then you go on and vote with them on a case that's pushed by another scumread of yours? And your reasoning for all that is "nobody was defending the original wagon".... | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote: town do do that. Also scum fakeclaims vet for what reason exactly? To draw out the real vet? no, town don't do that. yes, or to draw out SK. Lynching SK gives them town credit. | ||
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From this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427569¤tpage=58 Pandain: "lynch kush, lynch kush, rayn why wouldn't you vote for your townread! OP is town! SnB lynch kush. OH shit, kush is not happening, lynch Zealos, lynch Zealos, one more vote to Zealos! ##vote: blubbers" Grackaroni: "Lynch OP, i still think he is scum. Oh shit, Pandain is town! He's making good posts and SnB is pushing Zealos (lol, at this point Pandain was advocating kush lynch)! SnB is my scumread, but WTF! Let's lynch Zealos! ##vote: zealos" | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Hows claiming vet draw out the SK? If it did somehow do that, please enlighten me so that we can lynch him. I talked about this already. Scum hit does not go through on N1. They know who they hit. Scum fakeclaims vet. Koshi's response was obviously a blue (vet) claim. 1) Scum hit Koshi - Koshi is vet, no need to roleblock him on N2, just kill him dead. 2) Scum hit other then Koshi - Koshi is still a vet, roleblock and kill him on N2. The person scum hit is either SK or was docced (50%). | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:16 Sn0_Man wrote: If they were both scum they'd buddy up on zealos or blubb and mr OP wouldn't have to show himself by voting. I just about flamed you but then I didn't wanna get modkilled. Its fairly clear that at least 1 scum was AFK @deadline Maybe BH was afk as they did pile up on Zealos. Pandain switched at the last second. | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote: Oh. nvm gotcha. Still, Grack/Pandain scumteam isn't possible as mentioned. I am not really sure i understand you. Why is that not possible? | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:22 Grackaroni wrote: haha ok I'm not really going to even bother debating with you at this point. If you think I'm scum and I fake claimed in order to pull off this intricate play and catch the SK then I don't know what to tell you. I would never do that lol, I just wanted to get night killed... Also you do realize the person I'm pointing to being the SK is you lol. So I guess that hypothetical makes you the SK. You saying i am SK does not make me SK. That's dumb argument. | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:26 Sn0_Man wrote: Because Grack and Pandain could have just decided on either zealos or blubb and forced the lynch through without OP revealing himself by voting zealos. Only one of the people who were around at lynch can reasonably be scum (apart from OP) because if both were around there is no situation where OP has to reveal himself. I was saying it No they couldn't. Because Pandain did not have blubbers as scum. Grackaroni has already switched from blubbers to OP (meaning OP is better lynch than blubbers for him). Votes are 6 on OP, 4 on blubbers. If BH is afk, and both of Pandain & Grack switch on blubbers, that will be the most obvious scum vote switch ever. Pandain has never had blubbers as scum, he has been advocating kush lynch. Grack has just switched to OP (when there was no much support on that lynch) with reasoning "this is better than blubbers lynch", blubbers is even voting for OP himself. Notice that when Grack switches to Zealos, his reasoning is "Pandain looks town from his recent posting". But Pandain is still telling people to lynch kush, not Zealos. Smells like a strategy from scum QT. Also notice that at this point the votes are Zealos 4, OP 4, blubbers 4. Assume BH is still afk. OP was the first one with 4 votes and therefore to set lynched if nothing changes. Another lynch candidates (blubbers - has his vote on Zealos, Zealos - has his vote on kushmasta) might swap, at least Zealos. If Zealos switches to OP that's it, and Pandain looks fucking bad. What will blubbers do, will he stay on Zealos? Well for sure he won't vote for himself. I do not think it's far fetched at all. In case OP comes in (or is not in fact afk) and votes for Zealos, what happens. "yo guys, we just lynched town with last minute wagon with all the fucking scum in it!". Looks good right? | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:46 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean, pandain DID last second swap to blubbers If BlazingHand is assumed to be afk he HAS to do that, because otherwise BH get's lynched!! Zealos will not get lynched if he comes back, because he has his vote on kush. He's gonna vote for blubbers/OP to save himself. He never switched, and to me that proves he is town. | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote: I know zealos is town... And I want to lynch pandain But grack aint his scumbuddy. Okay let's make this easy. These are the people who opposed the OP wagon (i don't mean didn't vote for him - but switched off of were against it): blubbdavid, Koshi, SnB, Pandain, Grackaroni. We know the three first of them are town by flips. OP did not do anything to defend himself. Him not defending himself makes it likely for him to be afk. Do you think only one scum defended him? Only one scum defends him, and goes "fingers crossed, let's hope at least 5 townies make a stupid decision". I don't see that likely. | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:57 Sn0_Man wrote: I was against the OP wagon. So was Dibbers I believe as well as vayne. Yeah but; Vayne was afk. debears did nothing to draw votes off the wagon, neither did you. The three of you voted for people and held on to it. You did not go crazy over vote shenanigans last second while you were there (i mean you were, vayne was not, debears idk). | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:03 Sn0_Man wrote: The issue at hand is that the only thing i'm decently sure of is that pandain is scum. However, I don't want to lynch scum I want to lynch SK. But all my town reads could actually be SK, I'm just calling them town because I have deduced that they aren't scum. The problem is if we do not lynch scum/SK we probably lose. SK is much harder to find than scum because they can genuinely scumhunt. On September 19 2013 02:02 Grackaroni wrote: there probably was scum influence involved in the lynch. Not sure if I want to lynch Pandain right now, I don't know why he made that switch from Zealos to Blubbers if Zealos is not scum as well. And Zealos voting kush actually doesn't make sense if Zealos was scum. Well who is the scum influence to the lynch? | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:07 Sn0_Man wrote: This. Rayn is convinced that the shenannies that happened were by scum but that simply isn't true. If all the scum were around the shenannies wouldn't involve OP since his buddies could fix everything. I'm willing to believe pandain was scum (or maybe u grack but dubious) but not both. No chance. Scumbuddy actually looks like dibbers/vayne. Grack/Vayne scumteam isn't impossible, and fits with the vet-claim then RB wifom but I'm not very convinced of that. And realistically thats almost the only way vayne is scum That's why i want to lynch Grackaroni over Pandain. It is possible that Pandain just had a really strong town read on OP (which makes no sense to me). Also the fact that BH voted for blubbers and not for Zealos is a bit contradicting towards Pandain being scum with BH unless BH was in fact afk before the last second. I refuse to believe both of Pandain/Grack are not scum, and i think Grack has far better chances of flipping scum than Pandain. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you ok with lynching debears today Rayn? Why the fuck would i be okay with lynching debears? If you can make a decent case i could consider it. Now there are just some quotes from his filter and then people say "lol, scum". | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Well first, you imply that you think debears is strongly town. Then you say that you can be swayed. Why? Why would a case on debears make you change your mind? I have not implied i think he is strongly town for me. I think he is SK to be honest. But i do not think he is scum. | ||
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How do you explain Grackaroni's vote switch on D1 based on his reasoning? Grack thinks Pandain & SnB & OP are scum. Grack has his vote on OP. SnB pushes Zealos lynch. Pandain makes a couple of good posts (according to Grack) and advocates kush lynch Grack switches to Zealos. Explain it to me from town pov. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol what suspicion did he get put under? Absolutely nothing. The fakeclaim was to out the vet IMO, then he unfakeclaims and apologizes. The thing that makes me think he's town is that in his unfakeclaiming post, he posted that he doesnt want to be thought of confirmed town for the claim. Which is an odd mindset for scum. Because you don't have to be a fucking mafia god to come up with that kinda stuff as a team! Also if a townie looking dude does that nobody will think he is scum for that. Pandain you should know that too. I bet you are experienced enough to know that. Example: + Show Spoiler + This is from scum QT in GoT when Koshi was like confirmed scum for ~half of the active players: raynpelikoneet 08-08-2013 06:20 PM ET (US) You can accuse fellow mafians if you have a "good" reason to. We are good enough to defend ourselves. Just do not make an idiot out of yourself by stupid stuff, that gets you policy lynched. For example, if there is anything that contradicts with your mindset in me, ask me questions. Be aggressive towards me. I do not mind, i can defend myself. You need to interact with your scumbuddies aswell, because we will lose member(s) at some point and you look terrible if you do not talk about your scumbuddies at all. Especially now when you are "under attack", even if you make a case on scum, you have no credit. There is no harm, IF YOUR CASE IS BELIEVEABLE from town pov. It does not have to be right, it has to be so that you look town. If you dunno how to do that, attack suspicious townies instead. :D raynpelikoneet 08-08-2013 06:15 PM ET (US) Do not afk. That´s the worst thing you can do. I´m gonna push a lynch on a lurker if necessay (FT, Risen looks really bad, nachodude, Sharrant, etc.) Just remember this: Keep track of where your town!mind is. What are your "intentions", who do you think is mafia, what has your game plan been, who does oppose your game plan and "what that might mean". You are ok if you follow these things, whether or not you are right. Koshi 08-08-2013 06:08 PM ET (US) How do I enter the thread now? Or do I keep afk? Koshi 08-08-2013 06:07 PM ET (US) Ok, then I hold it back for when people ask me questions. I can trow Clarity under the bus at the same time because he soft defended OAts twice already and FoS me with a silly reason. raynpelikoneet 08-08-2013 06:05 PM ET (US) TLDR; It does not matter who you accuse, but keep your story straight. Koshi made a theory that was obviously wrong but it bought him town credit for the rest of the game. Scum handle this shit together, it's not like Grackaroni is making only his own decisions if he is scum. wtf is with you people? | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:58 Pandain wrote: We don't have to be 100%, I at least am far more certain than anyone else he is antitown. There is like a .5% chance that Grack is scum, and a .0005 chance he is SK. I also disagree that he cannot be scum. Zealos did not vote for OP. BH could have thought he would gain town cred if he last second voted Zealos, which he would've. They could have miscalculated and thought they had to vote Zealos or OP would be lynched. There are too many variables you leave out and then make assumptions of when in reality it was a last 5 minute vote scram. Why did Zealos not vote for blubbers then? Do you think scum/SK agree on dying instead of voting for anyone who is not in their team, let it be just for living another phase? Zealos was there. He was in thread. He was about to get lynched. It makes zero sense if he is not town. He is town. | ||
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On September 19 2013 03:06 Pandain wrote: I have to leave for class, I will return. Points I have made 1. Grack is clearly not scum. Read his filter please. Even if he double fake claimed, his posting still makes him town. 2. Zealos is anti town, probably SK. 1) lololol, what he is then? 2) I refuse to believe that because if he is anti-town he played against his wincon on D1. He is clearly not scum because if he was he would have voted for blubbers. If he was Sk he would not have been okay with himself dying and had voted for blubbers/OP. @ Zealos: I 180'd because i re-read D1 end and N1 stuff after my vote on you. My vote on you was a pure reaction to SnB flip and me not going back and re-reading before D3 start. | ||
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On September 19 2013 03:12 Pandain wrote: He is town, Rayn So "even if he fake claimed twice" he is town? wtf is this? | ||
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On September 19 2013 03:21 Pandain wrote: The mere fact your saying why questions highlights the fact most of your arguments rely on assumptions from those whys. I am searching for anti town people and Zealos is clearly not pro town. Given he is normally pro town I have to assume he is similar to his mafia playstyle. Or now tp play style Can you give me some scumreads? You already agreed it's highly unlike Zealos is scum. That means you think he is SK. Fair enough, i don't agree, but you can be right. Who is scum and why? | ||
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On September 19 2013 04:17 Papa_Smurf wrote: Kush is still scum. No wants wants to lynch him. anyways grack would fit with him. Va possibly could. Sn0 could. Why is Pandain town? | ||
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On September 19 2013 04:37 Papa_Smurf wrote: basically his play overall and how he relates to you. I only see him being scum if you are scum(or sk). I dont see either of those right now Uhh.. how does he exactly relate to me? I can't understand a thing you say.. | ||
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On September 19 2013 05:02 Papa_Smurf wrote: If you look at d1 with your interactions, you could see how you two interact with the thread that would make you both seem town. If you weren't town, the interaction (OP scummier than Pandain stuff) would mean you are both scum (or one scum one sk). As I said, I think you are both town, so doesn't really matter Wait.. What does me saying OP's opening posts were scummier than Pandain's have to do with his alignment? That was a fact whatever Pandain's alignment is. That does not however make him town. If i am scum that does not make him scum, why would it? In fact, if i was scum i wouldn't have called out my Godfather town before the other guy (in fact i would not have called either of them out, at least after it was clear people did not want to discuss OP with me for some reason). I was making a comparsion besides two people, one of who had bad reasons + fluff in his posts, and another one who had bad reasons + good reasons in his posts. I couldn't understand why people saw Pandain's post bad enough to discuss and OP's post not worth discussing. That however does not make them both town, and i do not how you are making a relation (same alignment) between us. If Pandain is scum why i must be SK, why can't i be town? If Pandain is SK why must i be scum? | ||
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On September 19 2013 05:19 Pandain wrote: I've scum hunted plenty. It's just that I like to analyze rather than post every opinion I have which is likely to change. That's why I go after my best reads rather than everyone at once, because my reads on other players will change eventually anyway. I'm trying my best with classes, judge what I have based on the quality of the posts. He's talking to Pandain i think. | ||
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On September 19 2013 05:58 Pandain wrote: Lynch Zealos. If he's not anti town, you can lynch me. That's the pandain way! That doesn't work unfortunately, because if we lynch town we lose. That's not a townie mindset. | ||
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If we mislynch we are at 6-2-1. Night kills 4-2-1. Then we NEED to lynch the SK to not lose the game. PAndain if you are a cop and have a SK report on Zealos just say so. Then we can actually discuss who is scum and lynch the shit out of the SK. Otherwise i am unwilling to believe your reasoning, because Zealos was acting self-destructive on D1 end. Anti-town people do not do so. | ||
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On September 19 2013 05:11 Pandain wrote: As I said I had class. If I had to guess, it would be Vayne for scum. It's a bunch of little things. + Show Spoiler + He voted Blub who we now know is town. It's alright, a whole bunch of others did too (and I chose him over BH). This post is suspicious: On September 12 2013 08:32 VayneAuthority wrote: this time im his town buddy bro also you were serial killer in that game so you were just leading on anything LOL @papasmurf it was just that game. he usually just fucks around as town but randomly started writing cases and shit in persona Assumes that kush is town at day one, weird assumption to make. Assumes they're both town? Covering? Slipped knowledge kush is town? A lot of possibilties, but most lead to a scum reason why. On September 14 2013 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote: im back, catching up now. saw the mislynch though =/ gotta look at the people that followed my wagon with little to no support. He was leading a wagon? Makes it seem like others are at fault and not him. There are more posts like this, it's not certain but its a guess. He also is playing similar to his town game in Titanic. I would say he's playing a good game of mafia, but mafia none the less. Don't understand why people say my posts make me pro-town and then when it happens I'm wrong(it's ok, it's mafia) people say I'm mafia. I did what I did because it made sense, and I explain it. I also think Kush is still a good choice, but think Zealos is the best choice. Sno can you explain why you think I'm scum? All I get from you is that I'm going after the "easiest" lynches. When you get back talk to me about this post. In this post you give reasons why Vayne is scum. I don't see how these things you point out make Vayne scum. In fact, you say later on that "Vayne played similarly in his town game Titanic". You say there is "other stuff like this". What's it? I still don't get why you think kush is scum. You have been wanting to policy lynch him on D1. After that he has stepped up his game, a lot. What makes him scum? | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:06 Papa_Smurf wrote: I'm around for an hour or so. Gotta type up my epic zealos is sk post I don't give a fuck about SK now. tbh if i want to lynch SK i want to lynch you over Zealos. You fit the profile far more than Zealos does. Why can't people understand? If we lynch town we probably lose the game. Zealos is not sure to be SK. Why the fuck is everyone i think is anti-town hunting for SK and not scum? It must be because they are anti-town! <3 | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:16 Pandain wrote: I think Vayne is scum, but I gave an honest analsyis. He's playing similar(post style) to his town play in Titanic, but he has made suspicious votes. The "it" is suspicious posts. Kush was more than a policy lynch to me ever since he said he knew scum had fake claims. I didn't and still don't find it plausible that upon receiving your role you ask if you can claim, and then ask if scum can fake claim. It's a non-sequitur. I don't buy his excuse for it. Also his recent play has been poor analysis wise too, but that's not as important, as he could just be bad trying to push Grack as scum and then me as scum. What's suspicious in Vayne's voting? Compared to Grackaroni who agrees with his scumread to vote for a target that is pushed by his other scumread? Really, Vayne comes out more suspicious of that? Have you ever played with kush? Him asking if scum have fake claims does not necessarily make him scum. If he was scum why the hell would he be screaming it out in thread for nothing? Him making analysis makes him so town. This is like more analysis he has made in his last 5 town games. Who is to say he is wrong? Even if you are not scum, why can't Grackaroni/debears be? | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:30 Pandain wrote: I disagree with everything you say. First, you forget. It isn't really Vayne's vote but his posts which are suspicious. Voting blub, saying we need to look at people who followed him without reason, and then not following up with that. Bad reasoning on grack and me. It's not conclusive, and I never said I was which is why I have been changing my opinion of him. "Him making analysis makes him so town". That's what grack has been doing? Except better analysis? And he's been doing it for longer and more consistantly? You still also haven't addressed the fact that there is no smart reason for a scum to try and fake claim and bring attention to himself when everything is going well for him, in order to try and out a vet. Has there EVER been a play in mafia history which tried to out a vet? That is not even risky, it's just dumb. Vayne has been looking into people who followed him. Didn't you and Grack follow him for example? Okay so where has Grack found scum? What makes his analysis better? Yes there is and i have addressed it. I don't remember that kinda scenario. I can point out a lot of scenarios that are extremely rare but not impossible. Have you seen a scenario where a townie fakeclaims cop to lynch a mafioso and the real cop claims a green check on the fakeclaimant to convince him to lynch another mafioso? Then a third townie says "you are all dumb" and makes a case against a third mafioso, and because it is majority lynch it's possible that noone is gonna get lynched so a fourth townie fakeclaims a cop to lynch the first mafia guy. These things happen. | ||
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On September 19 2013 08:18 Papa_Smurf wrote: Then get on the zealos lynch. You can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong I am going to look at this more closely tomorrow. I am fucking tired. At first glance you have some good points and some points that are not so good. | ||
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I also think, while looking really bad from D1 voting, Grackaroni and Pandain are necessarily not mafia. These are things that townie could do. I am really frustrated about the whole Umasi/Pandain/debears deal that's been going on since D2. Even if you are masoned you don't keep scumhunting in the mason QT. That serves no purpose for the town. Masons are supposed to bounce ideas between them and find out each other's alignment. I think it's odd that (reading from Umasi/Pandain convo D2) Pandain straight up assumes Umasi is town based on his role, mafia masoners are not uncommon. Pandain did jack shit on D2. debears has done jack shit on D3 besides making a SK case on Zealos. Pandain called D2 a clusterfuck with "no discussion at all". That's simply wrong, there were people discussing other things than BH. Now there is some "town circle" between them, suddenly their reads match because of "masons". I want to know how they have reached to the conclusion they have. I want to know who pushed their reads and who agreed and for what reasons. They can't just say "because of masons". That's bullshit. The problem here is that based on what people have done in this game tbh Zealos looks absolutely worst. There is no way i can argue against it whoever makes the case. It's annoying. :/ | ||
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On September 15 2013 03:09 Koshi wrote: yay Join us in the lynch Zealos/Pandain/OP/SnB train tomorrow! If Zealos & Pandain are town, why would scum hit Koshi? Assuming Vayne is telling truth about the roleblock scum indeed did hit Koshi. Why would you, as scum, hit the person whose scumreads are 3 green guys and one red, who is going to get lynched either way. It doesn't matter if Koshi looks obviously town if he is leading town into wrong direction. Why would you kill a townie who is leading the town into wrong direction? | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:23 Old Partner wrote: Well, it was an obvious lie that I couldn't be around for the deadline, and showing up at the last minute to vote to save myself? That would look okay for Blazinghand, but not for Old Partner who has a 9-5 job and no Smartphone. I have a smartphone. I gotta claim BH. But then, why am I playing so weirdly if I am BH? Well, the truth must come out. Okay, this post means BH was lying about not being here at the deadline right? What does this mean.
- I don't think Zealos is scum. BH would have voted for blubbers. - I don't think Grackaroni is scum. He was one of the players BH got into an argument with on D1. - I don't think kushmasta is scum, BH wanted to lynch kush so hard on D1. - All the people who left their votes on BH on D1 are cleared to me. This leaves the following players:
- debears - Sn0_man Neither of these players hardly ever address each other. Can we just lynch all of them? It also makes sense as Vayne and debears were not around at the lynch time. Sno didn't want to lynch OP while showing some mild suspicion on him. He was on the blubbers lynch already. I think he is the SK, and Vayne + debears are scum. debears did not show any intention of pushing his kush lynch forward, did defend OP, and didn't say anything about the votes on blubbers. He also did not comment anything on Zealos lynch. His interactions with Vayne are non-existent. I don't think Sno is scum, because of his post D1 comments (right at the start of N1). They feel genuine ("is BH a character in Golden Sun" - rofl). So, i think Vayne + debears are scum. Sno is either SK or we have an SK hiding. But that can be resolved later. ##Unvote: ##Vote: VayneAuthority Besides this post, i have given my reasons why i think Vayne is scum. I am far more sure that he is scum than about debears (in case i am wrong on something). | ||
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On September 19 2013 22:04 kushm4sta wrote: rayne the thing is, bh's lynch was pretty much a forgone conclusion. Think about it from a scum perspective. They know bh is gonna flip red. So d2, scums objective was probably to distance themselves from BH in any way possible. I am talking about D1 in my post. I don't give a fuck what happened regarding BH on D2 because the whole day was wasted, besides from me/you/Oats. | ||
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On September 19 2013 22:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn is 100% scum, now Im confident. Kush, agree? Fuck you Oats. If i was scum nobody, absolutely nobody in my scumteam claims scum on N1, especially the Godfather with such bullshitting abilities BH has. | ||
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On September 19 2013 22:16 kushm4sta wrote: why can't umasi be scum? why cant sn0 Because Umasi was voting for BH. Sno, because of; Do you think this sounds like "i'm scum with BH": On September 14 2013 07:19 Sn0_Man wrote: OP's claim is bullshit I think. Unless BlazingHand is a character in Golden Sun? Also I didn't see any particularly out-of-place capital S in that post but it was about 2000 words so I may just not have seen it. That's some weird twisted shit from Sno if he is scum and i don't think he's capable of doing that. Like, who thinks like saying something like that if you know OP is BH? | ||
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On September 19 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Also, possibly BH was really absent from the QT and the thread and decided not to listen to you rayn. Does it seem like BH was "really absent form the thread" on N1? Does it seem like i was? | ||
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On September 19 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote: whats with the 'we'? maybe he told you to bus him? On D1, from the start of the game? If i bus i don't intend to lynch my scumbuddies unless it's clear they are gonna get lynched. Does my D1 push on BH seem like i was not intending to lynch him? | ||
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On September 19 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote: whats with the 'we'? maybe he told you to bus him? Really, you logic sounds as bad as Ace's from NWM N1.... | ||
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On September 19 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote: what happened from the page earlier where apparently im the only one who is trying to figure out the game other than you and kush? Hm? Forgot about that? Yeah yeah you were yelling people to lynch debears because BH is a survivor and questioned Snoman. Other people didn't do that much and you are not gonna get lynched today. Can you give the scumreads now? And with proper reasoning.. I don't see any read of yours having a proper reasoning in this game besides the read on OP. While you usually jump from one place to another as town, in this game your thought process is extremely hard to follow. You seem like you are just making stuff on the fly based on last 3 posts in thread at that moment.. | ||
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On September 20 2013 02:38 VayneAuthority wrote: no it's more the fact that you piggybacked onto stuff like that so early. Koshi was scum to me for more meta reasons and the fact that he wasn't doing anything, using people's town reads on him as an excuse to just idly stand by. I will be looking over day 1 again and comparing it to what happens in the final few hours here. So you are already admitting doing nothing any more in this phase? | ||
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I have been saying all over this day "look at the votes from D1", i have been making analyses from them, i have encouraged people looking into them and commenting on my analyses. Now Vayne comes in, 4 hours before the deadline, and says "too late". scum. | ||
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On September 20 2013 03:01 VayneAuthority wrote: If I wouldn't get modkilled I could say a lot more stuff. Nothing here you say makes sense anyway since I was pushing these people light years before kush. and please, useless coming from oats? Don't make me laugh. all you do is spam one liners. Yeah, kush was pushing Pandain and debears on D2. He was also questioning Grackaroni about his scumgames. What did you do. Oh yeah, you concluded that the scumteam is Grack/rayn/Koshi. No, you were not pushing these people before kush, it's a lie. Another lie is that you made a case on blubbers. You didn't. The three posts you quoted when i asked told this: + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2013 23:04 VayneAuthority wrote: chronological order. I really did want to take my vote off blubb but had something to do at work and I couldn't be around for the time near the lynch. If I'm gonna get lynched for the second time due to real life reasons then so be it. 1) You put WoS and blubbers into same category, that's not a case, you say they are lurkers 2) You say what blubbers has done, you don't tell how that makes him scum, that's not a case 3) This is hilarious, you defend blubbers, definitely not a case. So you never had a case on blubbers. Another funny thing is that debears at some point agreed with "Vayne and friends" that blubbers is scummy. lol, Vayne has never made a case on blubbers. | ||
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On September 20 2013 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote: could I get an english translation? I have been encouraging people to look into D1 votes and making analyses about them. You have ignored the analyses, you have not looked into D1 voting. Now you say that's important but it's "too late" to look into it before D3 ends. Townies look into important things. You are not willing to do so. You are not willing to comment on analysis regarding those important things. Therefore you are not town. | ||
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Grack is one of the first people on OP, ok cool. Then when he is about to be lynched, he ninja vote switches. Suspicious much? between that and the other minor points ive been concerned about is enough to have me giving him a good chance to flip red. Incorrect. Grackaroni didn't "ninja switch". He clearly told he thinks Pandain is town and he is going to vote for Zealos. Pandain - this one is the strangest. This guy literally went ape shit about OP being lynched despite having a cool head the whole game. Who hard buddies as scum that badly? that's what is throwing me off. I dont know his play though, and he could have just panicked as scum. This is not analysis, this is what happened. There is no conclusion. Try again. | ||
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On September 20 2013 02:04 Pandain wrote: ##unvote ##vote kush Why the fuck can't Pandain just post in thread when important things are happening. I am getting really mad, and soon i am going to tunnel Pandain into oblivion and lynch him. Why do you need to do this shit? Why can't you just post? You said "vayne is the best bet for scum". This is bullshit! Ima take a hour break and calm down. Then i am going to vote for Pandain/Vayne. That's the time you got to explain yourself. Both of you, because you CLEARLY ARE BOTH HERE FFS! ##Unvote: At least Vayne has balls to argue. | ||
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On September 20 2013 03:54 Pandain wrote: Rayne if you were in university you would understand why I can't really elaborate more. I've said before Vayne was iffy at best, I've always said Kush was the best bet. Read my filter for plenty of analysis. Vayne is also playing like his town play in Titanic. Yet you have time to make these vote switches and say "i'll tell why kush is scum", and when you come back you do something completely different like explaining why you couldn't post... Doesn't look good. | ||
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On September 18 2013 13:33 Papa_Smurf wrote: @Panda, Grack, Raynp, (sorry oats you think zealos is town so this doesn't apply to you) In reference to the above post of mine on zealos, in the case that you agree with my zealos read Do we want to 1) Lynch a scum with disruptive thread presence (Kush) or 2) Lynch a sk/possible scum with no thread presence in a possible attempt to reduce kp if he is sk (zealos) What happened to this debears? Also why is Sno most suspicious from D1 votes when you earlier said he was the least suspicious? | ||
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Not trying to convince anyone, but instead "okay, then let's lynch kush". rofl. People just do not drop their scumreads if someone says "i disagree".. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:11 VayneAuthority wrote: if there's 4 blue roles in a 15 man game ill eat my own dick, it would confirm papa_smurf as scum using a fake claim to save himself. lol, he has claimed to Umasi before being a lynch candidate. No way he is lying. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:23 Pandain wrote: No, his reaction is so anti-town. PS claims Isaac(main character who we know is in it due to other roles being Isaac's best friend/mother), and parity cop, and Kush keeps his vote on him. Being wrong is okay, but he's keeping his vote on him which shows he's desperate. We next focus on oats/vayne/Sno tommorow. I will do analysis and figure it out. No, he legitmately thinks debears is fake claiming and is tunneled. He has been on debears all the game. Please Pandain, trust me on this, he is town. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:25 Pandain wrote: You've been sure everyone has been scum at some point. 100% sure SnB scum, heavily sure that me/grack scum, etc.... Yeah yeah whatever, i have had my reasons for thinking so and i have told them in thread. If you remember you were the guy who promised OP will flip town. kushmasta is not scum. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:29 kushm4sta wrote: why did panda have his vote on me? a vote whihc was previously 100% useless becUSE HE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. it was planned.. ps/panda scumteam. not sure who sk is. WHY THE FUCK WOULD DEBEARS FAKECLAIM TO UMASI WHEN HE IS NOT IN DANGER OF GETTING LYNCHED???? Fuck kush, he is telling the truth! | ||
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1) "debears is fakeclaiming the main character of the lore knowing there is a GF (so there is a cop most likely) and wrote his own fake PM instead of asking hosts for one". 2) "Vayne is SK" when vayne is the only player in this game who possibly cannot be the SK !!!!!!! Incredible stupidy or "doing anything to survie" !!!!!!!! | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Debears being right has NOTHING TO DO with kush being scum, for one thing. For another, Dibbers/Pandain scumteam has been something I've been considering for a long time. Lastly, since you dind't seem to see this, RAYN PLEASE POINT OUT WHERE DIBBERS CLAIMED TO UMASI he sure didn't in what i saw. He crumbed it and the convo throughout the day supports his claim. | ||
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Because kushmasta is 99% sure to flip town! BUT THE OTHER OPTION IS A FUCKING GREEN CHECK, BECAUSE OF HERP DERP.d.s.adse211! blah.. sorry kush, i have no other option at this point because townies are stupid. :/ | ||
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I AM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING DOING IT AND FORCING YOU TO BECAUSE OTHERWISE PANDAIN DIES!! | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:53 kushm4sta wrote: VAYNE CANT BE SK we aren't voting him imo vayne is scum! | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:55 Pandain wrote: I will actually let myself die if you try and change it. Who is SK then? Oats? Sno? Sno, Oats and vayne scum. | ||
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On September 20 2013 07:31 Sn0_Man wrote: HEY LOOK I WAS RIGHT KUSH WAS TOWN Why was that hard? Like, I told you you guys just don't listen. Do you understand that if you are town you forced me to lynch kushmasta? | ||
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My choises are kushmasta and Pandain. What am i supposed to do? Vote for the guy who is a fucking confirmed town to me, because you all are voting for kush? You left me no choise, you and kush, i asked you to vote for Vayne instead. Oats you're being dumb. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:01 Papa_Smurf wrote: Oh btw. SK apparently shows up the same alignment as scum. So if one of raynp or pandain is sk, the other is scum If one is scum, both are scum If one is town, both are town. It is possible there could be a framer (gf, rb, framer are standard roles). SK could have investigation immunity. So cool. I am officially worthless now. Hey, on the bright side, if we mislynch, SK will have free ability to kill scum since scum will rb me! Wohooo Get on the love train, love train First you know SK will show up as scum, then you say they could have investigation immunity. Which is it debears? | ||
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SK you need to kill scum. That's your best shot at winning. Scum can't shoot me/debears/Pandain, that'll insta-confirm the rest of us. :D Sno_man or Grackaroni, one of you is town. Give analysis on remaining people before the night ends, before the night action resolving period. debears, check one of those guys. You'll get killed anyways but nvm, worth of trying. Oats & Vayne are not town for sure. | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Why cant you be SK rayn? Why is it so insanely stupid for me to think that? No it's not. If i am SK who is mafia? | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:18 Grackaroni wrote: @Oats: You said Vayne was 100% Mafia, how does anything that happened last night change that? Also I'm getting a bad vibe from Rayn, can you explain how SK and mafia know each other? What is that all about? Mafia knows me/debears/Pandain are town. They know Umasi is town. Therefore they know the last 2 players who have a possibility to be SK. Most likely they are able to figure it out. Same goes for SK, because Sno_man can't be scum. TLDR; SK & scum have 2 people they are not sure of, one of them is town and another one of them is scum/SK (depending on which side you look it from). | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Papa smurf did say something about not being debears. Also Papa smurf was a possible mislynch at the start of day 2 anyway. so much fucking speculation rayn. Too much. So debears accidently posted in this thread and Papa_Smurf used his identity as disguise? I think that's kinda cheating no? | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:34 Grackaroni wrote: Yes, but not both mafia together. You would be SK. So in this case mafia knows the SK and SK knows mafia no? | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:40 Grackaroni wrote: because then Debears knows you are mafia and the lynch turns into you vs him the next day... and either you die or he gets lynched and then you die after that. No, i can WIFOM he is mafia with Pandain and lying. kush is already 100% with me. | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:41 Papa_Smurf wrote: I wouldnt get too panicky over who is scum right now. 2 more flips = alot more knowledge besides, you guys wouldnt even bother looking back at who I think is scum if I die tonight lol because in this game you have been kinda.. wrong.. And don't take this as an insult. You have both been kinda wrong with Pandain. Vayne and Grack/Oats is scum. Oats/Sno/Grack is SK. Vayne is scum. | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:45 Grackaroni wrote: lol no you couldn't we are at 5-2-1 right now. If you are SK and you had lynched Pandain last round rather than Kush it would be 6-1-1. after that even if you convinced people to kill debears the game would still go on and you would be automatically killed off as the confirmed scum That's not quite true. If i was SK here is the situation. 6-2-1 on D3. Mafia would know i am SK (if Pandain is mafia and debears town). We lynch Pandain. 6-1-1. Night kills (i obv hit town - so does mafia); 4-1-1. I WIFOM debears is scum. We lynch debears. 3-1-1. Night kills (i hit a townie - so does scum) 1-1-1. The remaining townie is a kingmaker, that's my best shot at winning if i am SK. | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:50 Sn0_Man wrote: 7-2-1 until zealos went and got banned. Wtf has that to do with anything, he was gonna get modkilled and was obviously not scum. If i am SK i know he is town. | ||
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Explain to me how i win as Serial Killer by lynching town!kush over mafia!Pandain from the situation D3? Assume debears is town and telling the truth. Or if you think he is not telling the truht, explain why and then how. | ||
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On September 21 2013 00:01 Sn0_Man wrote: Realistically, you are on the list bro. Its not like your scumhunting has been useful. Ur like 1 tier below rayn/dibbers for SK likelihood. You are being dumb. debears can't be SK. | ||
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On September 21 2013 00:02 Grackaroni wrote: we already did. If you are SK lynching Pandain would force you to get Debears lynched. It's a lynch you would probably lose. hell even Debears already said that you would have lynched kush regardless of your alignment. I don't see why you keep trying to argue that this choice makes it impossible for you to be SK So if debears says i would lynch kush regardless of my alignment that is the absolute truth? "Hey guys, Grack would have lynched Vayne last day if he was town." Shit, are you scum now? What about this: On September 20 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not quite true. If i was SK here is the situation. 6-2-1 on D3. Mafia would know i am SK (if Pandain is mafia and debears town). We lynch Pandain. 6-1-1. Night kills (i obv hit town - so does mafia); 4-1-1. I WIFOM debears is scum. We lynch debears. 3-1-1. Night kills (i hit a townie - so does scum) 1-1-1. The remaining townie is a kingmaker, that's my best shot at winning if i am SK. | ||
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On September 21 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Because then mafia Pandain flipping means you are not town. Then we lynch you. Ezpz. NO IT DOESN'T! IT MEANS I AM ANTI TOWN OR DEBEARS IS LYING! | ||
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On September 21 2013 00:08 Grackaroni wrote: I can't speak for other people but if Pandain was lynched yesterday and he flipped red, I would be more inclined to trust Debears and lynch you next than to lynch Debears. Plus I'm pretty sure I remember you outlining a situation where the SK can get to lylo from where we are right now without even being stuck in a kingmaker situation. Okay so. Let's assume that would have happened (i hammered Pandain and he flipped red). What are you going to say on D4 when i tell you "Why the fuck would i kill Pandain when it proves i am not town if debears is telling the truth?" | ||
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On September 21 2013 00:09 Sn0_Man wrote: Pls Anti-Town powers, have massive brain-fart (like in P4) and NK rayn Thanks, Town. Hey dude. I really hope you at some point (preferrably now) would learn to take a look at things from more than one perspective and look at them objectively. Please. | ||
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On September 21 2013 00:13 Grackaroni wrote: That's actually not a bad argument. Will have to think about this. I still doubt there's many players in this game that would choose to let you win in a kingmaker situation which would be your best scenario. I would not give a fuck who chooses or not chooses to let me win. That's my best bet. | ||
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I am SK here. It's 5-2-1. My best bet is to hit mafia (because SK's best bet is to hit mafia). Mafia's best bet is to roleblock me (because mafia want's to have 2 mambers alive so they can rb/kill SK by lynching). If i am SK mafia is obviously gonna roleblock me. Does it help me? 1 NK, i am dead the next day because 4-2-1. debears has a check too. Where does that put mafia? Unwinnable situation. There is no way (1) debears fakeclaimed, (2) i am SK, (3) Pandain is mafia. | ||
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On September 21 2013 00:32 Oatsmaster wrote: so not town = anti town right? Yeah and debears has 0 reason to lie, which means his check is good. Ezpz. So what's my plan in winning now as SK? | ||
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On September 21 2013 00:37 Oatsmaster wrote: kill scum, lynch town, kill scum, lynch town, win the game. Yeah, and i get lynched at the next day if i am roleblocked? | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:09 Oatsmaster wrote: ,Im confused at why are you defending yourself by reasons like, " HOW DO I WIN"??? What??? I dont see what convinced you that Im the scum rather than sno or grack or whatever. Because Snoman is not scum. That leaves only you and Grack, and i think Grack is town. What makes me SK? | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote: ah ok. Well, over d1 and d2, at the end, your vote has been on EVERYONE. Like literally everyone in the game at one point in time. Also I think everyone else other than You/VA/Pandain is town, and you have mentioned earlier that you bussing BH is stupid. I agree. So yeah. You SK. The game is over. I like how you revert to shouting OATS IS ANTI TOWN GUYS FOR NO FUCKING REASON EVEN THOUGH I CALLED HIM ONE OF THE TOP 3 TOWNIES IN D2. haha. Im gonna sleep, will be back in like 20 hours or so. Expect to see rayn either RB or dead and only 1 nk. So Vayne is scum and hard bussed his scumbuddy Pandain over voting for kush? | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:33 VayneAuthority wrote: you know that nobody was going to switch their vote and I would get massive town credit so that's not a bad idea. Doesn't matter since I'm not scum anyway. The only reason you can't see that is because you are the SK. I have proven everything you have thrown at me this game to be a lie, until you actually want to start playing the game you are dead to me. And that brings us back to the fact: I must be SK if debears is telling the truth. Why would i as SK lynch kush over Pandain? | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:43 VayneAuthority wrote: Killing pandain confirms you as anti-town, unless there is a framer/miller or whatever in this game but then this setup would be getting pretty bastard tier so I doubt it. The whole "Why would I kill panadin over kush if im anti-town!1! lolz!1 is purely WIFOM. I expect a better argument then that from you! I ahve said it before. It doesn't. :p | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:43 VayneAuthority wrote: Killing pandain confirms you as anti-town, unless there is a framer/miller or whatever in this game but then this setup would be getting pretty bastard tier so I doubt it. The whole "Why would I kill panadin over kush if im anti-town!1! lolz!1 is purely WIFOM. I expect a better argument then that from you! Actually Vayne, i would expect more of an analysis from you. Remember you are the "night kill analyzer" as you have graded yourself, remember? "I do nothing and look at the night kills and work from there". Where is these analysis now? Tell me, what is my game plan as SK? Why can't anyone else be SK? Why do you want to find the SK and not mafia? | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:50 VayneAuthority wrote: The WIFOM talk is too much for me, anyways rayn if you and pandain are town as you say, why are you so hellbent on the idea that I'm scum? I have refuted all your arguments and played your little games with you but nothing matters apparently. I still have not seen pandain's reason for his 180 read on me when i started gathering suspicion and why you continue to cling on to me this entire game as a mislynch opportunity, its absurd I am town, i think debears is telling the truth about his claim (apparently you think so too). Therefore i KNOW Pandain is town. I believe Umasi is town. That leaves me 4 people. Sno can't be scum. I find it hard to believe Grack is scum. Do you get the idea? Why are you and Oats so simple-minded in saying "noone else than rayn can be the SK"? Like, is there not another possibility? Fine, call me SK, but then tell me reasons for it! I gave reasons why voting kush over Pandain was dumb if i was SK. Prove me wrong you fuckers! | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Could you give your reasoning for sn0 not being scum? I don't see it either since he agrees with me but you need to give something more then that to have a real discussion about this game His post where he calls BlazingHand a possible role in this game. Do you think he would do that as scum knowing BH is his scumbuddy? | ||
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On September 21 2013 02:02 VayneAuthority wrote: Why would he smurf if he wanted to be known? He could have not told his team about his identity. I feel like you pick really...cant say it....reasons for thinking people are town or scum and you don't THINK! Really Vayne, REALLY? You think smurfs fuck off their mafia team by not telling who they are? ROFL! | ||
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On September 21 2013 02:05 Papa_Smurf wrote: Because that means, if pandain is scum, you would be lynched as sk or scum. If you are town, you would know pandain is town. You wouldnt know if iush is town Yeah but i was really sure kush is town, i tried to get you idiots to lynch someone who is not town... :/ | ||
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On September 21 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote: could you explain the benefits of a mafia team knowing some one is BH instead of just smurf? If you can't figure out the benefits you are really bad at this game. I am not going to elaborate on that because what you are saying is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard in a mafia game. | ||
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On September 21 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote: A) Don't you believe his claim? B) I was telling you this before you lynched obvtown kush... He is saying shit stuff. It's impossible. scum. | ||
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N1: Pandain (this is why Vayne's roleblock claim is full of shit). In case scum did not him Koshi on N1, they hit Pandain. N2: Oats. I hate myself as i was supposed to send in Koshi but my brain farted. ASFDJHJFASHJFASH N3: debears obviously, my N3 is a guise. <3 goodluck guys! If you want breadcrumbs check my N2 post and "MIA", | ||
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On September 18 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: So people who are town: [green]Oats, Grack, Umasi, Koshi, kush[green]. Pandain had a strong late-D1. On N1 he went MIA. Hasn't done anything since and it worries me. debears doesn't give a fuck. kush had a good point in him not elaborating on stuff asked. That's how he has rolled with me too. Probably scum or SK. SnB i talked about already. Scum. Wanted to hunt for SK on N2. t_T Hasn't done anything. One of Sno/Zealos is probably scum. In case it's Zealos, SnB is prolly town. In case it's Sno, then it is. Vayne hasn't done anything after the first 12h into the game. I am not sure if it makes him scum because he is stubborn. Could be SK, could be scum, could be town, cop him plz if you have not already. I would have wanted to talk with Oats more at some point on N2 but he was MIA at that time. Bleh, i hope he figures the game out if i die. Good luck townies! | ||
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On September 21 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote: claim doesnt make much sense since I specifically asked if there was any blues yesterday when debears claimed and nobody spoke up, so yea...don't really trust this. At any rate one of rayn or debears is scum. Yeah you asking that was bullshit. What was the point of claiming? | ||
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On September 21 2013 07:41 VayneAuthority wrote: Alright so scenario one: Scum and SK both shoot umasi, doesn't really tell us anything. scenario two: We accept that both debears and rayn's role claims are legit. With 4 blue roles, it is now much more likely that scum is in posession of a framer. What this would mean is that rayn was framed at some point if he is in fact the doctor, making pandain confirmed scum. scenario three: (Most likely imo) Either our parity cop or doctor is fake. The bread crumb is terrible and the timing of the claim makes no sense given that he could have saved town yesterday if he claimed. scenario four: SK just hit debears and rayn saved him, scum roleblocked debears and shot umasi. which would clear debears/rayn and that brings us back to scenario two. So even though I am personally biased against scenario 3, there is a pretty solid chance scenario 2 or 4 happened Whisch one of the claims is fake nad why? | ||
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On September 21 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote: could we get a modkill on this guy? he's clearly never actually going to play the game. thanks could we scumkill this guy? | ||
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On September 21 2013 08:06 VayneAuthority wrote: well thats what im thinking about right now. debears claim is much more believable for a multitude of reasons: 1. your overall play is scummier 2. You fake claim every day all day, its like the guy crying wolf or whatever 3. your breadcrumb is frankly, awful 4. already asked for other blue claims so we could guarantee a scum lynch and you didn't come out. They don't even have to be fake as I explained, but yours is much worst. like it's not even close Elaborate on this plz. | ||
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On September 21 2013 09:30 VayneAuthority wrote: nah im asking the questions here now. i put up with your bullshit for a while. there's nothing to elaborate on there. show everyone why you think im scum so i can debunk it. You can't. scumclaim. DIE! | ||
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ASFJFASJFJFASJJJhhahahahahahahah 'AAHBAHAHAHAHAH¨ DIESCSCUMSSCUMSCUMSCUM,DIEDIE!!!!1 die! PLZ!>3 | ||
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On September 21 2013 09:35 VayneAuthority wrote: write a case and explain what you want elaborated on first You have a csse, sell it to ppl. go. | ||
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On September 21 2013 09:36 VayneAuthority wrote: so im asking to see your case on why im scum and what you want me to explain in that post. you still have not said what you want elaborated. DONT CHANGE THE SUBJECT! You have a case on me, now, sell it to ppl! | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn got shot. How is this hard to understand? Also if rayn is town, we lynch you. So you should lynch rayn. So i fakeclaimed before knowing i was shot? Makes sense how? | ||
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On September 22 2013 01:55 Papa_Smurf wrote: Alright this is what I don't get. Why would raynp, as medic protect oats n2. Why would scum not shoot pandain again n2. They don't make docs that can protect the same person every night in minis (or really in any game) anymore. Because Oats did vote for BH on D1 and i felt like he is the most useful person of those voters if town. Pandain was a suspect. Maybe scum did hit Koshi N1 and N2, who the fuck knows. | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Scum dont know if rayn is the SK. The thing for me is, both those shots are horrible for sk, Umasi or you. So Im left with the conclusion that SK didnt shoot, because come on man, thats like the 2 least likely to be scum. WHo is scum and doesn't know if i am SK or not? | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:09 Oatsmaster wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Im apparently the only one who thinks you are the SK so i guess everyone else is possible scum that doesnt know that you are the sk. What do you think about the SK shot? I am talking about a scumteam that would not know i am SK as you are saying. Who fits into that profile? I don't give a shit who shot Umasi and whose shot got blocked. There is no way anyone else is scum than you/Vayne. That's where i am at. | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Everyone fits that profile except ME. If I were scum, why dont I just shoot you and call FRAMER on pandain assuming hes scum. Or try to lynch him assuming hes town. Because you are bad and didn't know Sno is SK. You can't shoot me because that proves Pandain & debears as town. IF SK shoots town aswell and you lynched the SK you win. | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude. you make 0 sense. I shoot you and if you flip town, it only proves that you flipped town and that debears and Pandain are likely town. But its not like we are gonna lynch debears or Pandain today anyway. So again I ask, if Im scum, why dont I shoot you? Because you are calling me SK.. :D | ||
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On September 22 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote: So i plan to lynch you? Why do I plan to lynch the most active player in the game as opposed to something easier like grack or Vayne or sn0 dude? come on man. Because Grack is town and you can't lynch him. Sno is SK and if you lynch him you lose. Vayne is your scumbuddy and if you lynch him you lose. | ||
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On September 23 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: because sn0 flipping sk says nothing about your alignments? It does say a lot about our alignments. It says we are both town or both scum. And you are trying to sell that i am SK now, therefore you think we are not scum together. | ||
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You think debears is town. You think i am SK. In case Sno flips SK there is no chance for you that me & Pandain are scum, or that debears & Pandain are scum, or that me & debears are scum. The only possible solution for you -- if town -- in that case is that Vayne & Grackaroni are scum. You do not bring that up at any point. That's why you are talking out of your ass. | ||
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So why are you calling (1) me SK and not scum and (2) debears town? If i can't be scum and debears can't be scum there is no way Pandain is scum. | ||
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On September 23 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Because of what? You could be sk and pandain could be scum. We are talking about a situation where Sno_man flips SK remember? | ||
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On September 23 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: because sn0 flipping sk says nothing about your alignments? | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:26 VayneAuthority wrote: it should be obvious that rayn is lying when he expects us to believe there is doctor/cop/vet/mason but scum team only has godfather/rb/goon in this setup. such a joke... Yeah and Oats is trying to sell people that there is no doctor BUT there is a framer. *ding ding* And you are doing the same thing here. :D | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote: sn0_man being afk this long seems like a decent sign though, he might have just given up after looking that its impossible for him not to be lynched I don't believe there is a framer. Godfather alove vs a weak cop is enough and given that there are 2 anti-town players amongst non-scum makes it far more likely there is no framer. The cop is basically useless if there is a framer. | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:59 VayneAuthority wrote: a 1/14 chance makes a role useless but somehow a framer hitting one of you or pandain is asinine/stupid/etc Survivor/SK usually balance each other out since one tends to play for the winning side and the other plays for the losing side. That leaves us with 4 blue PRs vs 2 scum PRs. No game that I know of has ever had that. If you are truly the doctor, then you would discuss the options more of a framer, but you aren't. that's why I don't believe you, in a nutshell. If I'm wrong then so be it, but it logically doesn't make sense to me. My problem is that when i believeably lay out a succesful doctor save (unless both scum and SK hit Umasi), my scumreads instantly go "fuck, there must be a framer! Pandain still 100% scum kthxbye" without thinking any other possibilities. That's what you/Oats have been doing this phase. That, or calling me SK and therefore Pandain scum. For you, why is it impossible that Oats/Grack/Sno is 2 scum + SK? Why is the framer ONLY solution to what has happened (assuming i am doctor)? | ||
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On September 23 2013 03:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Because frankly, I am tunneling since pandain is lurking and you aren't making sense to me. I did outline all the scenarios and pandain seems like the safest bet to me as I explained. I don't enjoy that you are ignoring that. I can admit I am somewhat tunneling but I definitely have reason to. You have made this game impossible for me whether you are town or scum by calling me scum the entire game. I have not called you scum the entire game. I started calling you scum when you started making strange conclusions that made zero sense. After all, i really do not think there is a framer, because that seems impossible to me. You also called debears claim fake, and when people disagreed with it you went from it to "okay then there has to be framer". That to me seems like you are just trying to cover your own ass without making people "confirmed town". You think objectively as town, and while your reads are sometimes weird you start making sense at some point in the game. Now you are not really making sense. I tried to analyze the all possible situations @ D3 start by bringing in vote analysis and stuff. I would expect you to join into the discussion if you were town (as you were there at that time). You didn't. Theses are the things that make me think you are scum. But it doesn't matter now, we look at the game again when Snodude flips SK. Before that i have pretty much nothing to say. | ||
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On September 23 2013 03:31 VayneAuthority wrote: I never called debears claim fake >> I have said it was real the entire game! Lying is bad! I analysed the votes, I have quoted the post multiple times, lying is bad! why are all your reasons that im scum based on lies? Your posts around the claim imply so. You want to out more blues. Yes, and your game now revolves around there being a framer, and not re-analyzing the situation. You stick to the conclusion and make the game adapt to your reads instead of adapting to what has happened in the game. If you are town and there is a framer then you were right and i was wrong, the cop role was useless in this game and no can do. If there is no framer as i assume and you are town it's your fault if you can't adapt to the situation and look at the game from a fresh perspective. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:26 Papa_Smurf wrote: Yeah we prob lost. Oh well. If sk claims, you have my vote to aid you in killing mafia tomorrow +1 but there is also another possibility.. | ||
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On September 24 2013 03:36 Grackaroni wrote: Blazinghand was scum! Lynch all liars. I caught you mafia scum... We must be scum then. You lied about being Veteran... Fuck you did out our scumteam. | ||
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On September 24 2013 03:41 Grackaroni wrote: Dude, why did you out our team? I was just bussing you for the town cred. You didn't have to make it so obvious. Play to win.... You used wrong phrases. It's bussing to the limit and live to win! | ||
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On September 24 2013 03:42 Grackaroni wrote: "Oops meant to put that in the QT" - Zealos i rofled. :D | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:38 Grackaroni wrote: It's literally not possible for all 3 of you/Pandain/Debears to be town. So what do you think Oats is if not mafia? | ||
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Vayne and Grackaroni are scum and there is no SK but a scum one shot vigilante. They are gonna bus one of them and paint Pandain as other scum. If there is SK it doesn't matter so i: ##YOLO PROTECTED OATSMASTER! I get roleblocked anyways and debears gets shot so 0 chance of success but it was fun. ^_^ | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:59 VayneAuthority wrote: here we go again. rayn can you explain why you say me and grack are both scum but choose to vote me after I stated that I "know you are town?" this gives you a way to drop a vote on me without me being able to vote you back, essentially locking me into an unwinnable situation when you vote with scum. Vote grack with me to prove you are town. Because the only way town can win is if there is no SK. If there is no SK, it means you are lying about N2 roleblock and you roleblocked Koshi instead and hit WoS on N1. TLDR; If there is no SK, you HAVE to be mafia. If there is SK, town lost already. Therefore everyone who is town should vote for you. | ||
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On September 24 2013 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, you get no hit notifications right? No, i get no notifications. Now listen to me, i am going to say this only once: - In case there is a Serial Killer, the town has already lost the game, therefore, everyone who is town should assume this: - There is no Serial Killer, but mafia instead has a one shot vigilante. Therefore mafia did shoot WaveofShadow (for whatever reason) N1, they did shoot+vig Koshi & SnB on N2. That means mafia also roleblocked Koshi on N2, otherwise he would not have died. This means Vayne is lying about the roleblock and he is mafia! This is the only scenario where town has not lost the game (no SK). In this only scenario VayneAuthority has to be mafia. Everyone who is town should vote for Vayneauthority! | ||
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On September 24 2013 20:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Whos the other scum Rayn? Or other 2 scum? Grackaroni or you. I dunno because you all seem to be dumb enough to not understand that's the only scenario where town can win this game. | ||
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(1) I bussed my Godfather hard on D1 and tried to lynch him, and Pandain makes a last second switch to ensure BH does not get lynched. Our team does not cooperat at all. (2) Grackaroni switches off from BH when the lynch gains traction, BH votes for the same candidate than Grack. Vayne is not present. | ||
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On September 24 2013 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: so if im town, and you vote for me, then you lost the game for town. Good Job Rayn. So what, do i vote for myself then? | ||
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No, Koshi should not be top priority for medic save. You don't doc people who are "likely town". You doc people who aare able to solve this game. I thought Pandain was able to solve this game, apparently i was wrong since he has honestly been terribad. I am not assuming there is a mafia vigilante AND a Serial Killer!! omfg. This is why towns lose all the fucking games lately. Everyone is so ridiculously dumb. | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:01 Grackaroni wrote: I'm not saying you thought there was a SK. But the town thought there was a SK and the SK was going to be lynched. I see more reason for scum to claim then because a doctor should still be concerned about the Roleblocker while if you were scum all you have yo do is make town believe you are not SK. I don't believe you healed Pandain, I remember you choosing Oats over Koshi for some reason. Well i don't give a fuck about what you think because now you are suggesting that there is: Godfather + roleblocker + 2-shot vigilante vs Parity cop + veteran + mason. lol. | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:05 Grackaroni wrote: Right there, you told us yourself Koshi should have been the priority heal target. Yes right there i told you so. Because i could not heal Pandain again and debears was not giving shit about the whole game. | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:10 Grackaroni wrote: But that's not at all what you were saying in the original post. You said "I'm doc, whoops should have healed Koshi, guess I fucked up." Now you are like "WTF, Koshi is a terrible medic target. I only heal the people who can solve the game!" which is an obvious lie because you said you should have healed Koshi earlier. Koshi was a terrible target on N1 compared to Pandain/debears. If we had a scum flip on D1 then it would have been different. Anyways, the situation is that noone who is town should assume there is a SK because with that assumption the game is lost. Only possible scumteams are me+Pandain or Vayne+Grackaroni/Oats. Assuming 2-shot vigilante is ridiculous because there was a survivor that was essentially +1 mafia and mason is a weak role because that does not directly help keeping townies alive / find scum. Therefore everyone who is town should vote for one of me/Pandain or Vayne. If someone can honestly say Vayne is more likely town than i am i can't do anything about it but laugh. | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why would i shoot WoS? Or Koshi? And for the record I COULDN'T EVEN HAVE SHOT KOSHI BECAUSE VAYNE WOULD HAVE BEEN ROLEBLOCKED AND THAT'S NOT POSSIBLWEAKDSLL!!! PFFFF!!! | ||
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On September 25 2013 04:32 Pandain wrote: What? I assume grack is town and know you are town. Also I think we should vote oats instead of Vayne because in scenarios where grack is Mafia oats is more likely On September 24 2013 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, i get no notifications. Now listen to me, i am going to say this only once: - In case there is a Serial Killer, the town has already lost the game, therefore, everyone who is town should assume this: - There is no Serial Killer, but mafia instead has a one shot vigilante. Therefore mafia did shoot WaveofShadow (for whatever reason) N1, they did shoot+vig Koshi & SnB on N2. That means mafia also roleblocked Koshi on N2, otherwise he would not have died. This means Vayne is lying about the roleblock and he is mafia! This is the only scenario where town has not lost the game (no SK). In this only scenario VayneAuthority has to be mafia. Everyone who is town should vote for Vayneauthority! | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:09 Grackaroni wrote: @Rayn: Also talk me through your thought process during the end of the day when Debears claimed Parity cop and the last second vote switch. What are you talking about? I wanted to lynch Oats or Vayne. Idiots forced me to vote for kush. | ||
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On September 26 2013 00:27 Grackaroni wrote: How did they force you? You had the option between two people you considered confirmed town and for some reason had to take the one unconnected to you to save Pandain. Losing Pandain shouldn't have been such a big deal that you just sacrifice Kushm4sta and vote him over staying firm and aiming for scum. Why did you jump on the sn0 Man wagon? The reasoning makes sense for me but it shouldn't have been such an easy decision for others. Sn0 Man easily could have been VT with me scum/SK lol. For me Pandain was and is confirmed town because i do not buy the framer bullshit. As i said back then, should i have voted for confirmed town instead of unconfirmed town? I voted for Sno_man because i thought he had a bigger chance of flipping SK than you. Your vet fakeclaim and defence on debears made no sense from SK perspective because you would have no reason to stick your neck out and defend town!debears OR scum!debears. You are asking stupid questions. And that makes me think you are mafia. All the answers for those questions are in thread. | ||
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On September 26 2013 00:46 Grackaroni wrote: You didn't need to vote for Pandain over kush but you could have done more to push Vayne/Oats. It shouldn't be the worst thing in the world for you if you don't end up getting the votes on scum because a different confirmed town would have been lynched otherwise. If I were in your position as town and I knew kush + Pandain were town my vote would not be flung at him in order to save Pandain. If I were mafia however, I would have to vote kush because I would be exposed. I believe you were thinking I could be mafia then, in which case it could have been Oats as SK as well with Sn0 Man as town. I don't think my questions are stupid the answers are very important to me. Your responses to my medic questions were fishy as hell. So tell me, what i could have done? On September 20 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can we lynch oats or vayne? I really do not think kush is scum. On September 20 2013 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because kush is really trying this game!! FUCK! this is like 100x effort he has EVER put into ANY game, EVER! On September 20 2013 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster I think this is the best lynch! On September 20 2013 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please do not lynch kushmasta, i am sure he ain't scum... On September 20 2013 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, he legitmately thinks debears is fake claiming and is tunneled. He has been on debears all the game. Please Pandain, trust me on this, he is town. On September 20 2013 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah yeah whatever, i have had my reasons for thinking so and i have told them in thread. If you remember you were the guy who promised OP will flip town. kushmasta is not scum. On September 20 2013 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or lynch vayne? He is wasting his vote atm and not taking any hard stances like townies should at this point. On September 20 2013 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats or Vayne, both are probably scum. I am ok with either one of them. On September 20 2013 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain & debears. Vote for Vayne/Oats? On September 20 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am REALLY FRUSTRATED! Because kushmasta is 99% sure to flip town! BUT THE OTHER OPTION IS A FUCKING GREEN CHECK, BECAUSE OF HERP DERP.d.s.adse211! blah.. sorry kush, i have no other option at this point because townies are stupid. :/ On September 20 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain and debears and Sno. Do you realize we just lost the game if Zealos is not SK? On September 20 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh well, Sno is SK, nvm. Pandain, kush, debears, VOTE FOR VAYNE PLZ OK? On September 20 2013 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: guys we have 8 minutes do it ok? I AM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING DOING IT AND FORCING YOU TO BECAUSE OTHERWISE PANDAIN DIES!! PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE FUCK CAN I BE MORE TRYING TO LYNCH OATS/VAYNE?? | ||
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I believe you were thinking I could be mafia then, in which case it could have been Oats as SK as well with Sn0 Man as town. No i thought Oats and Vayne scum and Sno SK. I don't think my questions are stupid the answers are very important to me. Your responses to my medic questions were fishy as hell. What about the medic questions? It was the correct play assuming there was a SK. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote: yet you seem to not care at all that we are about to lose. grack is obviously scum for a multitude of reasons and for some reason you are really bad at reading oats. gave him a free ride for having his vote on a partner day 1 ^^ similar to what I did with sloosh in sicilian. Yah but the thing is you can't be town unless there is a 2-shot vigilante which i don't believe there is. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:26 Grackaroni wrote: you think I don't believe you aren't just as hopeless if you are town. Since when is asking questions scummy. If I'm not in here prodding discussion the thread is dead silent. If I was on a team with Vayne (or Oats for that matter) then he wouldn't have sheeped your reasoning on me being scum based on my vote because it was going to kill me if Pandain hadn't come in and stopped the wagon. If you had any idea of my Meta at all you would see that I don't have the balls to argue back and forth with people in the manner that I've done this game as scum and I certainly wouldn't claim a role in order to flush out the non-existant SK or risk getting counter-claimed for no benefit. I don't like being in LYLO. It's stressful that's why I try to get myself killed off. I am going to do everything I can to make sure that I am not endgamed for the second game in a row. I don't know if you are scum or if Oats is scum. I am going to read it all on N4 assuming the game goes on. I am gonna die either way because Pandain is playing quite poorly atm. I'll give my judgement then. You asking questions is generally +1 town point for you in comparsion to Oats, i just don't feel like answering now because it doesn't help at all. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:34 VayneAuthority wrote: that's pretty incorrect but I digress, you have no intention of winning this game. People said I looked the most town out of anyone day 1 and day 2 everyone just wanted to vote for what I thought was an actual survivor so there wasn't discussion that day anyway. How is a 2 shot vig not possible? if you are truly a doctor then it's very possible. I don't think people said that. At least i didn't, nor did Pandain (who are btw town -- me and him) | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:35 VayneAuthority wrote: you have still yet to address why I would ask that mod question after already knowing the answer according to you, you've dodged it like 3 times now The question was stupid in the first place because it served no purpose. The follow up was even more stupid. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:36 VayneAuthority wrote: LOL you have terrible memory. Day 1 pandain called me the most town in the thread hahaha. god you are bad. AFTER day 1. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:40 VayneAuthority wrote: I said day 1, why are you correcting me moron? Yeah we called you town because of your argument with debears and your read on SnB. Then you proceeded to do nothing useful. Then we called you scum on N1. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:45 VayneAuthority wrote: Question for rayn regarding 1 shot vs 2 shot vig How would I know to roleblock koshi to kill him in 1 shot btw? this is actually pretty important. If you can explain this ill be surprised. rofl. Anyone who didn't get that Koshi is a possible veteran from his reaction to Grack's fakeclaim is an idiot. At least BH is not an idiot and he was alive on D2. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:51 VayneAuthority wrote: oh right, after OP started to look horrible along with pandain you started to call me scum ^^ interesting No, OP looked terrible from the first post of the game. Don't twist what i have done this game. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:54 VayneAuthority wrote: so as scum I decided to waste 2 power roles on a simple reaction from a player that is known to be tricky. This coming from a person that fakeclaims all the time. HMM WHY AM I NOT BUYING THIS LOL. as expected you have no way of answering this question, you're either complete shit or scum, pick one Explain wasting 2 power roles? | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:59 VayneAuthority wrote: you are implying at this point that I as scum used both my roleblocker and vig shot on koshi without having any way to know that he is veteran in the first place... I just explained why it is impossible for a scumteam with BH in it to not know Koshi is a veteran. Koshi was never to get lynched. If you want to kill him, you HAVE TO roleblock and shoot him. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:08 VayneAuthority wrote: You are associating being smart with taking an obvious claim at face value. Who do you know that's a good player that would see some one say "lol im veteran" in thread and actually think they are veteran? This is just so bad. Wasting a roleblock on somebody you are going to kill is asinine, I would have never agreed to that. rofl, this post is so wrong. First of all, Koshi did never claim veteran. Smart people saw that he is a veteran (BH absolutely). Second. You can't lynch Koshi, not in this game. He was too town. If you want to kill Koshi you need to roleblock and hit him. It's simple. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:13 VayneAuthority wrote: rofl, this post is so wrong. You just said it was obvious that he was a veteran, yet he never claimed it. Whats the difference? If he is implying he is a veteran than who would actually think he is a veteran? why are you so dumb my god. On September 26 2013 01:59 VayneAuthority wrote: you are implying at this point that I as scum used both my roleblocker and vig shot on koshi without having any way to know that he is veteran in the first place... Stop it already scum. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:19 VayneAuthority wrote: im unable to comprehend why you are so bad at this game, that's about it. Well convince me why Oats is scum. I don't believe Grack is mafia. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote: fuck man rayn, half this game, you are saying OATS IS SCUM. NO OATS IS TOWN. in the same fucking page. Yeah because after D1 you have made zero sense. First you don't want to lynch BH. Then you call every single player in the game scum in turns with nothing to support your arguments. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Except for BH. But otherwise man, watching you lynch townie after townie. You know what? Its Pandain Vayne, DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT PANDAIN AND VAYNE CAN'T BE SCUM TOGETHER! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Thanks for explaining it to me rayn. You are so awesome i cant stand it. If you can't understand this simple fact i am going to lynch you. Vayne is only scum if scum have a vigilante, there is no SK, and scum roleblocked & hit Koshi. Therefore, to Vayne to be scum there cannot be a framer. Therefore me and Pandain are same alignment. Therefore Pandain and Vayne can't be scum because i had to be scum too and the game is going on so it's impossible. Fuck, why do i have to explain everything to everyone like they were babies... | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:40 Oatsmaster wrote: you couldve said too many power roles for there to be Vigi+rb+gf+framer. That works too. Instead you have to act like a dick to prove your superiority. I am frustrated because i have explained this at least 10 times in this game.. On September 26 2013 02:41 VayneAuthority wrote: look at les mis mafia for a setup similar to this with a 2 shot vig, i don't know why you are tunneling so hard. its dumb. I'll look at it. If Pandain comes back i am willing to discuss Oats lynch. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:48 VayneAuthority wrote: that is why im not sure why you are resisting that solution when you know you are a doctor if you are telling the truth, which is making me annoyed at you. an additional blue role should make this option much more viable but instead you are shutting it down. Okay i get you. We need Pandain here though. I know he just posted in the other game he is in. Pandain, wanna kill Oatsmaster? | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Man I really want to go to sleep. Vayne, who thinks you are town? ME!. Who wants to mislynch people? SCUM. Therefore Im not scum. Or Im scum with you. Right? So vote for rayn. Hilarious, given that your vote is on Vayne. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote: like I said earlier my problem here is that killing oats essentially does nothing. both of you are still convinced that grack cannot be scum so its the same fucking thing tomorrow and im going crazy enough with this one phase. If we kill scum now you can be sure i will look at everything the remaining two people have done throughout the game, and cross-reference their actions/interactions to flipped scum. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Vayne Vayne Vayne. If Im scum, why dont I just leave my vote on you and lynch you? Because you can't. If Vayne proves he is more townie than you/Grack you lose. You are not doing well atm and you are using stupid reasoning for you being town and me being scum. Make a decent case if you want me lynched. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote: alright I can live with that. I will do anything I can tomorrow to make sure that you know I'm town. Like, i want to believe you and at this point i believe you far more than Oats based purely on the effort you have been putting in to this game on this phase. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:59 Pandain wrote: My computer died. I would love to lynch oats. I agree he is not contributing and content to let lurk. Vote for him. Let's do it. Wagon of Justice! | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote: No, think of it like if you are in the position im in, but scum. So you are scum. So Oats has 4 votes on him, including yours. You know Oats is town. Instead, you decide to try and yolo lynch the town medic. It sounds really bad right? Yeah. Thats why Im town. Yeah but you have never tried to lynch me. :D | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not assuming you are a complete idiot. What is going on here? Look, either you vote for me or vote for rayn. I already outlined the reasons that I cant ever be scum. So means that you should vote for Rayn. You should be telling why i am scum and not why you are town, because you can't possibly give reasons why you are town over me. And you can also not say by process of elimination because if you do i will hammer you to the ground. So why am i scum? | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:32 Oatsmaster wrote: why do you care? Grack is super townie man. SO that means you are scum. Hahahahaha Funny because i can probably take at least 10 quotes from your filter where you call him scum. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Funny, because that doesnt mean shit and you know it. So you admit that you have been saying nothing all game? | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:37 VayneAuthority wrote: yea I would lynch pandain right now in a heartbeat if he wasn't attached to rayn, so he's lucky for that cuz he hasn't done shit since day 1. you have to prove to me somehow that there is only a parity cop/mason/veteran vs roleblock/godfather/vig...that doesnt make sense to me What does me being a doctor have to do with my alignment? Is it the only reason you think i am town? | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Scum team:Grack VA Town: Pandain Oats Rayn. Rayn cant be sk or scum wouldve shot him. Half past this day phase. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:48 Oatsmaster wrote: did you not read my spiel thats been going on for 3 pages? The only scum are you and pandain. END OF STORY. Well i can't help you then. That means you get lynced. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok I cant take this. Im sleeping. Vayne, think about this. If you think that one of the players in the game is way more scummy than the rest of the players, it means that his partner is scum. No matter what right? So please. Think about it, If you think pandain is super scum, then Rayn MUST BE SCUM RIGHT? So vote for Rayn. LAST PLEA. PLEASE VAYNE. LETS WIN!. PKEASEE Oats. I can promise you i am town. If you want to win this game vote for Grackaroni. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:51 Oatsmaster wrote: oh Im so sorry you couldnt help me even though my vote is on you. I hope everyone Realises that we lynch Scum today or lose. And grack is the least likely to be scum. So dont do that stupid shit. Lynch Rayn. Thats much less stupid. I am town, Pandain is town. You and Vayne are not scum together. Grack must be scum. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote: ok nevermind this kind of makes sense. rayn why are you trying to just vote for anyone at this point I am not just trying to vote for anyone at this point. It's pretty clear that you and Oats are not scum together. That makes Grackaroni scum to me. | ||
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On September 26 2013 04:16 Pandain wrote: Grack are you here? If so read this and vote oats with us It doesn't matter any more. If Oats is town Vayne & Grack will switch to me and we lose. If Vayne is town we win the game, because Grack is scum. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:45 Grackaroni wrote: Vayne has been so infuriatingly useless all game long I don't even care at this point that there is a decent chance that Rayn/Pandain are the scum team. If Rayn/Pandain are scum Well Played and If Vayne is town then I don't know what to say. Not going to let Vayne win. Besides, even if I was able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Rayn/Pandain were scum Vayne would never move his vote. :p | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote: I'm going to start a Grack school of mafia. In today's mafia lesson I will show you how to expose a scum player by playing with their ego. So Mr. Raynepelikoneet. You say that everybody in this game sucked but you yet you failed to make a single save this game and failed to push through the lynch on Blazinghand day 1. what gives? Because i didn't expect mafia hits to be what they were. And because some scum like you switched their vote off BH. Should have probably go back to "shout your case so hard everyone must believe you" playstyle. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:04 strongandbig wrote: like seriously you voted oats because he made you repeat yourself about the scum roles thing vayne was actually confirmed scum. why in the fuck would you not have voted him. he was actually confirmed lying about the roleblock No he wasn't. now stfu because you did nothing but tunnel townies all game. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:07 Blazinghand wrote: Looks like it's yet another victory that can be attributed 99% to Blazinghand's awesome scum play! You guys can thank me for carrying the scumteam to victory later  I saw through it and noone, no fucking one in town listened to me. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:13 Blazinghand wrote: Rayn is almost certainly town MVP. He had good reads all game. The fact that he failed to push his reads is unfortunate, but at least he had good reads! Many games I fail to even have good reads. I will either stop playing mafia or i will go back to "shout so hard you get whoever you want lynched" because idiots like SnNB make me feel so bad for myself. | ||
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Look at what happened on D3. I had to fucking choose between confirmed town and 99% confirmed town BECAUSE I WAS NOT GIVEN ANY OTHER OPTION FOR LYNCH AND EVERRYONE JUST "##YOLO LETS KILL KUSH BECAUSE ITS FUNNN!"!!" fuck this shit. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:19 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn you were the only player that caught on to our scum team. I was just trolling you at the end because I was excited for my first mafia win. I was surprised Oats did that 180 it really looked for a second like he was locked down on me/vayne. Everything Oats did this game after D1: X says something. "X IS SCUM" Y says something. "Y IS SCUM" A says something. "A, B and C ARE SCUM! FINAL!" Z says something. "Z IS SCUM! A IS TOWN!" .... ... .. . ..... repeat | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:32 Koshi wrote: Yeah I might be able to read VA. How crazy would that be. I know, i am pretty sure i am able too. :D | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:40 Koshi wrote: I would say it was massively town favored but then it seems scum won so dnu really. Being able to roleclaim 4 blues 11 townies 3 scums with only one night a double KP 3 ways to block 1 KP (vet and 2 times hide) And then scum even shot the survivor so I really have 0 clues how we lost. Setup was fine. We lost because people do not think. For example, BH was so obviously scum from the beginning. What happens then? I actually try to play better and try to consider what other people say aswell, and get debears + Sno_man just throwing shit at me for something i don't even know why wtf.. Then SnB comes suddenly in with a meta-case that's 1600% bullshit, debears should see that right away but says nothing because i am for some fucking reason on his ignore-list?!"!??!! But hey guys, it was nice you threw me off. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:49 Koshi wrote: Yeah double vigshot makes it more even. Bad play happens. My thoughts at when i made my first post: "OP is scum, now, who is scum with him?" Then everyone (besides you) shits on my questions about him / Pandain. "Well this went well fuckers. At least Koshi is town". | ||
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It was so hilarious, one of the few moments i had fun in this game tbh. Thank you <3 | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:54 strongandbig wrote: well, you make me enjoy playing the game less, so we're even Let's try to be friends instead of callling each other retarded? Deal? Sorry i really was just disappointed at myself and i hate losing. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:55 VayneAuthority wrote: apologies for any ad hom attacks, there's only so much you can say as scum since you have to play like an idiot on purpose. I'm not even sure what you're supposed to do when there's nothing you can say besides pull a yamato. Gg all and thanks for hosting. At least i don't take it personally. No hard feelings! GG! You played well! | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:58 strongandbig wrote: sounds good i agree SQUM was def the best moment of the game. I wish my squirtle breadcrumb interpretation was right. I mean, i don't know how i am supposed to interact with you tbh. I let go of my case when people called it bad (even though i thought you were scum). I asked you to focus on something different than me, or make a case on me. I did not focus on calling you scum on D2 - at least i don't remember doing so. All i remember from you were you bringing up me or Zealos. I would have hoped you would try to question someone else than me or Zealos, or talk about something that's not me or Zealos. It looked really bad for me, idk, was i not clear enough when i proposed you look into other people? Or did you feel like i was 100% scum trying to tell "fuck off my scumteam" or what? How am i supposed to tell you you're looking into wrong places or do i have to absolutely prove i am town first? I am genuinely curious because me -- you battle took a lot of effort that could have been put into finding scum in this game. | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote: look at the second post in my filter if you want to see why I was scum this game. goes to show that nobody really reads filters Yes that's one of the reasons i have noticed. | ||
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I shouted only right things a lot. I probably need a 80 page filter to get those things through. :/ | ||
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I questioned people about BH, and questioned Grack, and got called out for "shitting up the thread". Way to go debears and Sno! I don't even feel sorry for saying this ffs! | ||
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And wtf is this bullshit you and debears have been spreading the last two games? Seriously. When Koshi died he had fucking more posts than i did. WHY THE FUCK IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO READ GAMES WHERE I POST ? Do you have some personal issues? Just come and say i am an asshole or something you fuckers! Seriously i am tired of this bullshit with you two. At least other people are trying to be constructive. You are just idiots. And that's what i think. | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:46 debears wrote: I don't know why you are taking my comments so personally. Post less and read/think more is not at all confrontational. There are points in the game that you did flood the thread (see d1 with the SnB meta read). It does make the game incredibly hard to read for people like me. Not to mention, it's easier to follow your thought process when you have a step by step explanation in a post, rather than among a couple pages of filter. It also can keep your arguments more coherent (remember the part where you added to your SnB meta read about it being wrong, and I was confused about it because you had said it was accurate earlier?). The one person I think of as a successful mass poster is marv. But, the main difference I feel between you two is that marv keeps it better organized between posts (at least from my experience) and has better explanations. This is the last time I'm going to try to explain this to you. If you don't like it, that's fine and dandy. In any endeavor in life, you improve most by looking at where you failed, and why. A lot of times, the best way to see those failures is through what others say you failed at and what others say you need to improve on. Okay i am at least trying to understand. I know i did present the SnB argument poorly in the first place. That was my mistake. I know i also made a mistake in arguing about it with you (that was because of my poorly presented argument -- which i now can see you didn't understand). I got frustrated when i actually went back and made a coherant points just for you you had already "ignored" me and wouldn't look back into it. As in you having played with me in Aperture and in Desert should have seen why the meta SnB brought up was wrong. Look at how Pandain handled the situation. He told me i might be right, and SnB might be wrong, and asked me how does that make him mafia. I argued with him about it for a while, and came into conclusion that i might be wrong. | ||
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