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On September 02 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote: The Panda has returned :o :D | ||
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Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them. VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time. GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction) I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move. Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread. Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says. I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though. Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. | ||
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Zealos's post doesn't mean anything I think; I think he was referring to his name in the mythical realm known as real life. Wouldn't make sense otherwise. Also kush I'll probably change from you, I was once the huge spammer too. I'll just ask you to step it up. | ||
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On September 12 2013 14:47 Papa_Smurf wrote: I disagree with the SnB being town read just because he saw my smurf signed up as coach. If you call him town, call him town by his in game play Like, as a player in the forum, its not like he was researching me and that's how he found me signed up as coach, it was a completely different circumstance. And to say "oh you must be smurf because of that", when my name is papa smurf is no new knowledge I don't know any time you offer new information like that, it strikes me as town. Mafia usually repeats information, or if they do make a case it's usually contrived and forced to find some sort of an opinion. Also Grack you seem to have heavily misinterpeted my post, which is okay. I'll explain now. You were being pretty hesitant in sharing your opinions early on in that you were always open to being convinced otherwise; this contrasts with your play now. I don't think your scum at the moment, though if Kush were to be found mafia I would have to re-evaluate it. Also I didn't advocate we lynch you to being bad as I don't think you're bad. Furthermore I didn't have a good enough read yet. I do, however, advocate kush for being pretty unproductive. It's a bad move to try and lynch someone who we think might be scummy day one. These never turn out to be actually scum, instead it's just a townie who put his neck too far in. Going to quickly quote this. On September 12 2013 16:08 Grackaroni wrote: Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze. So let's get him out of the way and not have to worry about him later and possibly waste a lynch on him. Let's use the auto-unsure day 1 lynch to deal with him. Furthermore, vig's shouldn't be used so early and they shouldn't be used in situations like that; instead they should be used in the late-game to help avoid LYLO situations. Furthermore, I later realized Zealos was just talking about his name, and therefore he's still open to suspicion. Even before that, it didn't change the fact he was lurking and therefore inherently suspicious. Please try to convince me otherwise if you believe lurking is town-friendly. It's also bad policy to lynch OP, people like him will share their opinions and will be easy to analyze. Getting rid of someone like Kush who will be hard to analyze is a superior option. Please let me know if you're confused. Zealos strikes me as red too; isn't contributing except generic posts. Not advocating anything, not putting himself out there. Isn't playing like a blue most importantly, and he seems more red than green. Grack seems town now, pretty pro-active and bent on trying to lynch me. Koshi I'm going to suggest to you to not look just at arguments but why people post them and possible motivations. Someone you think is antitown, or makes an anti-town post, could in reality simply be a townie who made a point you either disagree with or they didn't fully understand at the time. Grack thinks blub is scummy at its core because he makes points Grack disagrees with, which isn't a good argument. To me blub is slightly suspicious, but only at a gut feeling I can't really explain with. Not nearly enough to lynch, and doubt anyone can truly make a case and say they are more than 60% certain. On September 13 2013 02:39 blubbdavid wrote: Heh, even Panda is misreading his own post. Nope I also feel like I'm the only voice of reason sometimes, but Vayne and Ryan and Panther make good insights sometimes. | ||
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Ever since I called him out, and more interestingly since I said I would probably change my vote on him, he has stopped spamming but also stopped contributing. More trying to survive than anything else, and more waiting for a lynch on him to go away. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:27 Sn0_Man wrote: whos panther? Oops, Partner. Instinctively thought Old Panther sounded cooler. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:31 Koshi wrote: Panda his first post was bad. Last one a bit better but mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. OP will come back and dazzle you guys. Both posts were good, make a single argument otherwise. You just chose not to see the points. On September 13 2013 04:31 Sn0_Man wrote: Alright, Panda managed to reveal that he's trying to find blue players, that he wants today's lynch to not be aiming for scum, that trying to lynch him "seems townie", and that the only reasoning against blubbers is "gut". Anybody see anything remotely townie in there? Everyone should look for blue players as you want to try and identify them vs greens vs reds. I want a lynch to either be clearly scum or failing that lynching someone proven to be chronically anti-town regardless of alignment, who will distract us later on. I gave you a hint of what I was feeling about blubbers, but it's not strong at all at the moment and not worthy of consideration but wanted to share my opinion on him as it related to the topic I was discussing. Not dealing with shit anymore until I have to leave, get ready everyone. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Vayne why are you hard-defending all the scummers? You can't say for certainty anyone is scum, especially now, so don't make generalizations like this, and they aren't productive at all. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain: Who do you think is scummiest atm? Why? Honestly I'm too busy to really make a good case, I am leaving in an hour to go practice for improvisational comedy. My main point for today is that there is no one who I would say is more likely than 30% scum, and therefore we should have other priorities than trying to lynch the "scummiest" person, who any reasoning on day 1 would be based more on wifom or poor confusion between what is anti-town and what is scum. However to satisfy your question on what I believe now, it is: 1. Onegus -Even if you have to rely on friend internet access, it doesn't justify no posting. Furthermore he was still posting in other threads about two hours before he said that. (So seems to me like he's trying to get a free excuse to lurk and not be judged, rather than an actual "sorry i can't post" post) 2. Blub -Poor reasoning in general, general contribution and not specific. Bad responses to questioning. Can't point out specifics at the moment as I want to respond to you guys and help you. I also note no one actually responds to my content which is kick-ass for the most part but you guys ignore it with bad reasoning. Not all of you of course, and maybe I'm just frustrated. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:52 Koshi wrote: Also, everything Pandain says about Zealous is strange. post 1) Zealous is main character so without counterclaim he is town. post 2) So in his first post the name "Isaac" was enough for a townread. And then in his second post the name isn't enough? Dnu. No, none of it is strange and all of it is good. As I said I don't really have time to make my posts super eloquent, but I'll explain this post. This is a themed game of Golden Sun, and it is 99% certain that Isaac THE MAIN CHARACTER OF THE SERIES/FIRST GAME is one of the people, ESPECIALLY since the first day post said its up to ISAAC AND HIS FRIENDS TO STOP THE MAFIA. So Isaac claim = auto town. Too dangerous for mafia to fake claim, since there has to be a real Isaac given the OP description. I then later realized Zealous wasn't talking about his role PM, but instead that his real name was Isaac, so I realized it meant nothing. Understand? | ||
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Note his strange absence since he's been called out, and how that isn't explained by other factors. It can however be indicative of trying to wave the bandwagon. He may seem an easy lynch, I agree, but it's because it's a good lynch, and I think further upholstered by the fact that there is actually no bandwagon on him at the moment. The logic above I don't think is that particularly strong, but it is stronger than anything else I've seen, and town won't have to waste a vig shot on him later or inevitably lynch him later(as mafia, if he's town, certainly won't shoot him.) It's in best interest of town from all perspectives. | ||
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Also I think most active pressure is townie especially day 1. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, everyone should bluehunt as town. It's beneficial when people claim, you are able to distinguish blues from reds. Not open analysis though please don't make lists. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:56 kushm4sta wrote: WOW i haven't even finished reading the thread yet, but this shit coming from pandain about Isaac and what not is complete and utter garbage. IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE.... Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it. That's a pretty weird thing to ask, a weird thing to hound on since I pointed out it didn't even matter and wasn't even a major part of my post, wouldn't deserve that reaction as well. | ||
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Raynpelikoneet, I am interested in how you came to the conclusion that SnB is scum, and while I'm sure you can make an argument through looking at his posts and responding in analysis, I don't think that the end result actually lends himself to him being scum; at least not the way that you say. You say he fucked off, yet he could easily be AFK or simply have ignored you. Which is fine, especially if he's trying to be playing like the greats, in where you ignore people all the time because they're making flawed and ultimately inconsequential points. Basically, not worthy of your accusation. You also say he didn't contribute shit, yet I think in the posts he has made he has made more thoughtful points than even you perhaps, quote; On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote: Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. He took a stance on my analysis of him and said it was bad, despite the fact I proffered that it meant it struck me as town. So even trying to challenge that is a small advance for him. He also said this: Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning. Maybe that's why he's ignoring you/ seems hit and run? To me there are some slight questionable things, but really there are questionable things in almost every post anyone makes, if you look hard enough. I think your reasons are flawed and he should be given more time. Original Panther I also think Original Panther is more suspicious than before, due to the fact he's so bent on lynching kush. I might be more interested, however, if I didn't already objectively think lynching Kush is the right move. OP is suspicious in me in that he's not actually advocating anyone to be lynched, which is questionable to me given all his analysis that he did; he actually offers no strong opinions. I also slightly agree that he might be trying to simply appear like a contributing town while in reality he doesn't push for anything or make use of his analysis; however I think it would be more beneficial to pressure him now, and make him give opinions. Finally, there is suspicious and then there is worthy to be lynched day one. Actually it's interesting why the SnB lynch took off. I also want to draw attention to Koshi for pretty suspicious behavior. + Show Spoiler + Immediately after SnB's last two posts, Koshi posted this. On September 13 2013 03:26 Koshi wrote: SnB dropping some knowledge. /signed for truth On September 13 2013 06:58 Koshi wrote: There is truth in what he says. But the problem is it might not really apply to this game. He says a lot of things that sounds smart/correct but meh. On September 13 2013 06:49 Koshi wrote: I want to lynch Pandain, Goodkarma or SnB. On September 13 2013 07:07 Koshi wrote: You say that this is incorrect? If I read this I nod my head and think "yeah this is true". But in the end he doesn't commit to shit. I also have a problem that he uses the example about you grilling me about OP for 2 hours, which was pretty tedious indeed, but then twists this conversation between us to make everything else he says about you true or at least have more value. tldr: I feel like SnB is being sneaky. Pretty interesting, shows to me he's not actually trying to investigate and instead he just makes opinions. Also don't understand how he objectively changed, I don't think it's sneaky at all, and I think this is bad contrived reasoning. I will later post on why kushm4sta should be lynched. | ||
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Reasoning on SnB is weak due to fact he posted that he was going to be gone. Also is weak in that at that point he had contributed more than others. OP is suspicious but I think seeing how he does during the weekend is more beneficial than lynching him. He won't have an excuse to not post, and we can analyze him further than. Koshi is suspicious for, to me, contrived reasoning, lack of consistency(without explaining why sudden change), lack of actual advocating, and actual, looking at his filter, lack of interest in town. | ||
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So just a general thing to note about his contradiction. | ||
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On August 13 2011 02:47 Koshi wrote: Interesting story, where do you download this porn? I think that my "stream" also needs some. :°) Interesting questions arise. What did he do with the porn? Where is this stream? Is this in violation of twitch.tv policies, justin.tv at the time? | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, had a cigarrette and clamed down. I promised myself i will not vote for townies this game. I do not know if blubbers is scum. I do not know if OP is scum. I don't think kush is scum. I however know SnB is scum. ##Unvote: ##Vote: StrongandBig He says i am very hard to read, which is a lie. There is no reason to make such a lie as town. There is no way he has "forgotten" how easy i was as a read on him in Aperture 2. I have proven that with quotes from him post game Aperture. Therefore SnB is mafia. You are very hard to read, from what I have read of your posts and other posts from other games, you are aggressive as both alignments and also you actually can make the thread hard to read through your constant, often ill-reasoned spam reminicient of my own play years back. You are going to be wrong on SnB, your reasoning is inherently flawed and based on meta thinking and omgus, and you need to have a fresh perspective that doesn't inherently judge things you disagree with as scum. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears is also mafia because he refuses to comment on my case on SnB. He knows i am right. He is not defending SnB, he is attacking someone else instead. He also said some time ago that's exactly what mafia does. This is absolutely horrible reasoning, first you cannot know anyone is right or anything is scum day one, and from what I've read before (I believe) SnB posts again, your reasoning is way mis-tuned. You say he reads you differently than in Aperture, I don't see how that's a problem at all or warrants you calling him scum. I fail to see how you make the generalization: 1.He's lying (could have easily changed/different perspectives in different contexts) And then to add to that: 2. You're confident enough in your generalization that he is even >10% scum. I'm going to stop addressing you now until I make my post. | ||
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I think Zealos is hugely duspicious and worthy of a lynch. He comes in and says he won't contribute, but gives bland reasoning that shows he's not actually interested in helping town. On September 13 2013 21:50 Zealos wrote: That's my name IRL. I haven't posted much, that is true, but I have had a busy few days from college, and tbh, I find Day 1's a bit of a clusterfuck anyway. I much prefer to look things over once a couple of people are dead. Not a great excuse, but eh. Trying to play "don't care townie" card On September 13 2013 21:55 Zealos wrote: I don't really know how I can prove that I'm town at this point. I would argue that SnB looks Scummy, while I just look useless, so logic dictates that killing SnB is the best for today, then deciding on me tomorrow, after a bit more time has passed. If he was town, he would be saying he doesn't even need analysis that shouldn't even be a question. I also agree with this statement of blub in regards to Zealos. On September 13 2013 22:13 blubbdavid wrote: I do not like the fact that Zealos is jumping on the wagon so quickly, without much analysis. Rayn, it may make sense that you feel offended by SnB's posting, but him questioning your meta is not helpful for scum except for making the main speaker (which you are) look bad. As he said on his big post, he is undecided about you. The only thing I could hold against him is that he wants to see Panda dead. On September 14 2013 02:49 Zealos wrote: I'm pretty sure "starting on" the least active player in the game is a safe bet as scum, just saying~ Also, pls guys, my name is above my posts and at the start of the game. ZEALOS /=/ Zealous : D This is like 4 pages later? Showing he still follows thread but note he hasn't contributed shit so far at all. I think zealous is suspicious, I think WoS is suspicious, Oats is supsicious(trying to do lynch which isn't going to happen) . I don't know if blub is really bad, but I can't exactly say he's playing scummy. It seems like a typical "man this guy isn't making any logical sense" lynch into oh shit he's town. Kush so far hasn't contributed shit. Sorry, hasn't done literally anything. Has admitted he doesn't want to do read the thread, shows he doesn't care, and shows that in the future he won't care. He will be annoying to deal with and town WILL eventually lynch him later if we don't lynch him today. Instead we should lynch the person who we're going to end up lynching for the same reasons anyway now; deal with blubbers later when we obtain more information, and play it safe. SnB isn't scum, blubbers seems bad but not certain enough for scum. Zealos also seems scum but again I think we need more information. Two flips(assuming two kp although there might be three) tomorrow will grant us more than enough information to lynch someone. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote: Also. I am certain that Kush is not scum. Please remove votes from him. Pandain? Old Partner? He seems scum to me because contrary to what you guys say is his "dont' give a shit" style, he attempted to become townie, probably because he can't just yolo away and fuck himself if he is scum. Still hasn't done anything, and while this is circumstantial the fact that no real support for an obvious lynch like this is indicative that there's not a bandwagon. Instead actually the two most logical people are the ones supporting this. Isn't that weird? | ||
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SnB will result in town, if you guys lynch him than the only good thing that will happen is you will realize to listen to me for once. We can win this game if we play it safe and smart, rely around obtaining information and then good scum-hunting. I advocate lynching Kush because town has to deal with him eventually and it'll result in a lynch anyway of him later on. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:58 Papa_Smurf wrote: My main problem is that he said "ill read and make reads" Then says "I won't do it don't have time", but continues to post stupid shit Then votes GK, who was never in the main discussion for lynch, and whom also got replaced. Kush is usually in the main thick of things as town (despite how good or bad his contributions are), which he isn't doing at all here He also seems, as evidenced by his post two above, that he honestly doesn't care(doesn't make sense if he's town), or he's trying to seem like he doesn't care and thus justify an anti-town playstyle (makes sense if scum, not if town). | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain hoe kushmasta is "unreadable" or whatever you think? I think kushmasta has contributed way more to the game than SnB has. Uh he hasn't contributed like at all. That's a lie. Look at his filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427569&user=kushm4sta¤tpage=2 Also SnB is clearly busy, that is why he isn't posting and is true regardless if he is scum or not. You are tunneled and need to try and play smart scum-hunting rather than desperate scum-hunting. On September 14 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote: Pandain Oats plays solo as town. He never consolidates and picks his target. He ends up being the only one voting for a person a lot. I remember Titanic. Kush you are seriously going to ask people to vote for you? Can I reveal who I think you are? Maybe, not sure given he's only posted like three times, just he played a bit suspicious so far and gave a vote which doesn't make sense even from an uninformed town aspect. Of course he could just have skimmed fast and made poor decisions, or have another opinion on the case he hasn't elaborated on yet. On September 14 2013 05:00 kushm4sta wrote: also it's day 1 wheni never have any clue whats going on. Well shit you're certainly then not going to catch up on these 50 pages. On September 14 2013 05:02 Koshi wrote: Hmm, with 4 scummers I would like to consolidate on a target. Also Pandain you think there will be 3 flips in the night??? Wtf SK, Vigi and Scum? I assume scum has 2-3 KP. That's most we can objectively tell considering 1 or 4 is a heavily imbalanced game. On September 14 2013 05:03 kushm4sta wrote: k ima vote for blubbers night all Isn't giving a shit trying to find scum. | ||
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You said he will play like this always, ok then we're going to lynch him later for being unproductive. A vig shot is wasteful and assumes we have a vig. Instead we can lynch players like blub later when we have more information and can raise that, as you said 5% chance, to possibly a 20% or even a 1%. Kush also is clearly not blue given the fact he just peaced without possibly claiming. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:08 Papa_Smurf wrote: Btw I am willing to vote kush as long as it's for certain SnB will not be lynched I agree with this general sentiment. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:13 Papa_Smurf wrote: I'm starting to get there on a scum read on him, but it's not certain. If he is town, I want him because, hell, hapa apparently really respects his play so he might be some good. Kush/Blubb (mainly kush) have a much better chance of flipping I don't think he's scum yet. Or rather, I think it's a possibility but given other people who I think are scum (WoS for general uselessness despite contributing, Oats for bad vote as I said, and Zealous), it's hard to say he's objectively more scummy. I think, as is obviously true, we will be way more knowledgeable on where everyone stands after this lynch. Sudden bandwagon on Original Person despite no real talk on it? Holy shit what the fuck. He at least doesn't make this thread hard to read. He at least is contributing and has shown he will contribute. He at least will be able to analyze later. If the order in which we could lynch is OP-Kush and Kush-OP, than I would rather it be Kush-OP, given the fact that the reasons which are inevitably going to be lynching kush are on his play he has already shown. And sorry Rayn, he isn't going to make a sudden scumslip like you hope, and you can't expertly analyse him. I don't want to seem like I'm way confident kush is scum, but I'm far more comfortable lynching him than Bubbles or OP who we can analyze after tommorow night. It's by far the better option with rolechecks and flips. | ||
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*why are people retarded* *it is clear OP isn't mafia, there's no active resistance to his lynch* *It's going so well* *he also isn't spamming and will contribute* *also why do people vote him and then say peace out without any analysis* *why are people retarded* | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:23 Koshi wrote: Rayn, I like OP. Why do you want to lynch him?? Look how long his posts are. He is not a good lynch unless you KNOW he is scum. Like 75% and more. Exactly this. EXACTLY THIS. IN THE LAST 20 minutes look at what has happened. On September 14 2013 05:09 Umasi wrote: ##vote old partner On September 14 2013 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Old Partner On September 14 2013 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote: ##vote: old partner Umasi and Wave did it and then peaced out. Rayn, you could've still lynched SnB and then stopped advocating. Are you at least convinced now you can't say he's scum yet? That more information is needed? | ||
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Blub is an ok lynch but Kush is the smart lynch. OP is a poor lynch. Koshi and Rayn please read what I said about how to play it safe, and then decide for yourselves how to vote. I trust you guys. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Suddenly Koshi seems like a decent place to look at. I can't understand the motivation behind his question. If we assume that I know his name, and given its unlikely I know him IRL, them it's possible through scum talk or qt that is where I found out his name | ||
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It's irrelevant now anyway can't assume much even if I did find it out throught qt | ||
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Old Person is clearly not mafia. There is no strong push against him except really by me, joined by Papa_Smurf. Rayn has also attempted to get SnB lynched. Blub was a lynch no one actively pushed but rather occurred over time. Umasi, Grack, and Wave gave random votes. Grack never explained, and Wave and Umasi's filters go against what they said before. Umasi said OP was cool with him(and OP didn't post after Umasi). Wave never even really mentioned OP. THESE VOTES DONT MAKE SENSE AND THEY ARE STRANGE Also Rayn is important to point out in how he stopped actively trying to get SnB lynched, and didn't even go to blub despite originally him being between those two. Never explained why. At time he voted, SnB and Blub both could've/probably would've been lynched. As a whole these votes don't make sense . It doesn't mean they're mafia, but it means it doesn't make sense . Also note how everyone has already voted. And everyone is on one of the three lynches, except for SnB/Zelous who are voting each other. I would encourage you guys to both vote kush. Old Person has been suddenly bandwagoned by people who voted him despite no evidence they had suspicions of him. Then they left. Not all of these are mafia, but some of them certainly might be. The bandwagon on OP is so strange and indicates he is town . Mafia would not have let him die and would've softly defended him earlier against suspicions/pushed him aside . Furthermore, even ignoring all the above, OP has shown he has and will contribute, and indicates that he will contribute more later on. | ||
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Rayn I ask that you see what I'm saying, or at least trust in me if you believe I'm town. I promise you OP is town. Papa_Smurf and OP are town or are behaving like town. OP is town mainly for the bandwagon that just occured, also note that he's afk even now which shows that he really can't contribute as of now. Zealos if you're town I ask you to vote Kush. Also you guys are talking about mostly useless shit that doesn't matter now, focus on the matter at hand. | ||
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With Kush, we have no such occurence as he is not going to be contributing more. In prior games he has contributed more as town, actually pro-actively scum hunting. This game he indicates he doesn't know what's going on, and I don't trust him to make himself easily identifiable. He will be a distraction later on to the town. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:32 Koshi wrote: Ahhhhh fucking screw it. But I think Kush is Isaac. (he better is not a blue role) Because he asked mods about fake role names apparently. + he commented twice on it. Don't lynch Kush. Actually that's another good point. He said that scum are given fake claims. There's no way he actively asked the OP about such a random matter when it's clear he doesn't give a shit about the game in thread | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:34 Pandain wrote: Actually that's another good point. He said that scum are given fake claims. There's no way he actively asked the OP about such a random matter when it's clear he doesn't give a shit about the game in thread What about this Rayn? Isn't this inherently more suspicious than whatever you feel about OP? | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: How does it make him scum and why has noone asked anything about it from him until now? fucking 20min before the lynch... And then people say "noone is defending OP". Yeah fucking right. Kush is my town read, i will not vote for him and if you lynch him it's gonna be a mislynch. Only I am really defending OP. At least actively. Koshi is also and so is Papa, but I'm the one actually trying to not get him lynched. What about the point about fake claims? Are you ignoring information? How can you say that you can differentiate a scum kush and town kush on day one? Is a scum kush than productive and help scum hunt? Why are you so certain he's town, it seems to me it would be more logical to say you're simply uncertain. | ||
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SnB, me, Rayn, Zelos, Koshi are active. Without anyone pushing actively, Zealos isn't going to be lynched. Will you switch your vote than to kush at 5 minutes before? | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:43 Grackaroni wrote: I'm back, I'm surprised by all of the votes piling in on OP but I still think he is a good lynch. @Pandain: What do you mean I didn't give reasons on OP? I thought I gave my reasons pretty clearly for why OP is scum. Just not recently because OP hasn't posted anything new since my last read on him. Yeah no I thought I excluded you. You gave reasons before on suspicion, but I meant that prior you seem from your posts that it's either SnB or bubbles who you're looking at, then 7 hours later you vote OP. Sorry if that's not clear, not saying your mafia just an overall strangeness which you didn't explain. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:13 Grackaroni wrote: I'm trying to rack my brain around a townie motivation for S&B to say that Rayn is hard to read when he's shown that he has an easy time reading rayn in postgame (where he couldn't have been lying) and I cannot think of one. S&B is a good lynch. I don't know what to say. Thought I made my points clear. | ||
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Kush has been playing scummy with him not giving a shit and yet knowing about fake claims, which he wouldn't have done if he didn't give a shit as its totally out of the blue. He also acted like he didn't care, but then shaped up, which is strange if he actually didn't care. Even if he's not scum, he is hard to read later on, partly due to what's mentioned above. He is the safer lynch as it's easier to tell out tommorow if blub or OP is scum. | ||
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You guys, honestly right now, won't vote Kush? Tell me now | ||
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There's too much I don't know. I haven't looked at his prior games either really. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:57 strongandbig wrote: If he's blue why would you vig him. What happened to your conviction that the wagon on OP is wrong. This is too much to think about at the last second. I'm simply not confident in Zealos right now. It's why I wanted to wait for more information. | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:04 strongandbig wrote: Hahaha SHENNANIGANS LOL | ||
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Like if in the same position I would've done that too. | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain you here? Stop asking that and just say it. I don't want to spam for such a small reason. | ||
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Why Grack is town Here is his filter. Please let me know if you think that's not pro town! | ||
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On September 14 2013 10:43 Umasi wrote: sorry for not being around at lynch time fwiw I buy the roleclaim, I think it's stupid to not believe the roleclaim, it fits with his stated reasoning and pushing his lynch is blatantly pro scum anyone have things they want me to address specifically? I've kind of lost the flow of the thread since I've been afk/entered the thread late Have you read the whole thread so far? Do you have any opinions on who you think are scum, and if so why? | ||
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Here's my list so far. 1. Pandain 2. kushm4sta 3. VayneAuthority 4. Old Partner 5. Koshi 6. Strongandbig less sure 7. Onegu replaced D1 by Oatsmaster 8. blubbdavid 9. raynpelikoneet 10. Grackaroni 11. DarthPunk replaced N0 by WaveofShadow 12. Papa_Smurf less sure 13. goodkarma replaced D1 by Umasi 14. Sn0_Man 15. Zealos Also an overall note: Even as Survivor, BH doesn't actually have to contribute anything or help town. He wins with either team. So he could actually give purposely bad analysis if he feels mafia is losing, or help pin remaining scum if he thinks town is winning. So we have to judge him based on his posts and posts alone without regards to how experienced he is. | ||
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And I did find your jokes funny BH | ||
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On September 14 2013 13:59 VayneAuthority wrote: hey im here for a bit to discuss anything if anyone wants to, otherwise heading to bed. to pandain's last point, we can always lynch OP to buy us time for a day if we ever unsure at some point. We always have that as a back option due to his claim. Would that be right choice? I guess so in that OP could vote as scum; unless a cop gets killed in which case we should go for scum anyway. | ||
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Maybe lynch him tommorow for the lolz? 👹👺👺👺👺 | ||
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Also a vig shot is an awful idea especially since you yourself say there are few things you have a problem with and I consider them minor. I would rather see a vig shot on Rayn, who if scum will kill scum and tell us so much info, and if town will save us unreadable spam. My thoughts | ||
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I don't think there's much use in the speculation, I agree with vayne's analysis of leave him as a back-up lynch in case we're uncertain on who to lynch. As for me Furthermore anyone who thinks I'm scum ignores the fact that I have been suspicious of Zealos before and even posted this here. Also quote of mine: SnB isn't scum, blubbers seems bad but not certain enough for scum. Zealos also seems scum but again I think we need more information. I was like the first one(I think, or at least significant one) to actually analyze Zealos and point out suspicious behaviors besides just generic "being useless." I had switched to Zealos(why even encourage that bandwagon in the first place if I never wanted him to be lynched, it easily could have gone out of my control if I was scum.) In fact, I hadn't realized OP had voted, and thought that he was going to be lynched instead of zealous. I would rather have had blubbers lynched instead of OP which is why I changed my vote. I don't know how I would have voted between blubbers and zealous. Furthermore you assume Zealos is scum which isn't certain. Even if he is, it wouldn't mean I would be scum. As I mentioned before, I had thought it was between OP and Blubbers and made sure my vote counted and chose blubbers. | ||
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I say we go for Kush still tomorrow as I do believe his "fake claim" information is a genuine scum-slip, and I also believe that he is purposely trying to play anti-town and isn't attempting to help town. And contrary to other people, I don't believe that saying this is his normal meta excuse him from the fact he is playing as scum. | ||
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I think WoS definitely deserves further analysis, but also think Sn0_man needs to be further looked into at all. However I am confident enough in kush to delay Sn0 for a later moment. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:59 strongandbig wrote: SO CLOSE one more! On September 14 2013 06:59 strongandbig wrote: Who else is active VOTE ZEALOS Which indicated we hadn't done it. You may not be aware of this, but everything literally happened in like five minutes. Even if I was wrong, it wouldn't mean I was scum. Your assumption that I am in fact lying rests upon these assumptions 1. Zealos is scum still not certain 2. Zealos and I are scum Doesn't make sense since I helped vote him anyway, see my above post. Why would I do that if scum? Furthermore, I helped first lay suspicion on him. The fact I may have been wrong about the vote count is amusing and sad but nothing else. | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:25 Papa_Smurf wrote: So you are saying you didn't look at the votecount and voting thread at all? No I did, I based what I thought was the score based on what I that was there. Which is that we needed someone else to vote zealos or else OP was going to be lynched anyway, who I didn't think was scum. You are over-thinking things. | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:25 Grackaroni wrote: I know you were suspicious of Zealos that's the crux of my argument. you indicated time and time again that Zealos was suspicious. You believed blub could be mafia but was not as good of a lynch as Zealos and that you wanted to leave him alive because you can read him more easily later. You did vote between Zealos and Blubbers, you unvoted Zealos and voted for Blubbers. You posted your reasoning at the time for not wanting to lynch Zealos once people started actually pushing on him and it was shady. It looks to me a lot like you were soft bussing Zealos and then when people actually started moving on to him you got cold feet and panicked. When did I say Zealos was a better lynch than Blub? | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:30 Old Partner wrote: Not to be contrary here because I like you being alive pandain, but blubbers got lynched anyways. if I had voted blubbdavid instead of zealos, nothing would have changed. I voted Zealos because I was freaking out and saw what I thought was a last-minute swap to him, and wanted to make sure it would work. I didn't see your vote. Note when I was like "well this was interesting" after I voted because I then saw your vote, which was amusing in more ways than one because you just suddenly appeared and also I didn't know exactly was the outcome then. | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:31 Papa_Smurf wrote: If you did the same process as I did, you would have thought OP was behind zealos by 2 votes. If you did math based on correcting the votecount yourself, you would have had OP behind zealos by 1 vote What do you mean? Where was the vote count incorrect? Again I don't think any of this matters because townies make mistakes but it was OP 4, Zealos 4. And since OP was there first, he would've gotten lynched. | ||
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Basically here: I paniced, didn't think we would get votes for OP. By my reasoning(which I forget how I did because I didn't think it would matter), OP was going to be lynched. Given that I didn't think he was scum or that we would get another vote, I voted blubber who was more likely. | ||
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I don't know if that even really matters, I think he probably was in context to that time. But it was between Blubbers and OP and not OP and Zealos. | ||
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I only gave a quick read-through which didn't really bring me up any useful information, which is why I wanted you to help bring any insights. I honestly don't see any actual accusations. And I don't feel like going through all my actions when I don't even remember all of them. | ||
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Even if I was wrong in any way, it doesn't mean anything and doesn't say I'm scum. If anything how active I was proves I wasn't scum. | ||
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Utterly not considering Kush at ALL for scum, despite how active he is in trying to find any reason why anyone is scum. Trying to plant suspicion on literally everyone I think is town(this is omgus, I know, but when it's to this large degree I think it means something). Not really reacting to my thinking he's scum. | ||
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On September 15 2013 09:38 Zealos wrote: yeahh... no. Would still rather kill SnB tho. Why? | ||
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Why did you make this post and how can you justify it; On September 15 2013 09:38 Zealos wrote: yeahh... no. Would still rather kill SnB tho. When before you made this post. On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote: I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it? ##Predayvote:OP vigipls | ||
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Your posts should make points, this allows us to help analyze you later and also you share your thought process! I'm going through what, first, is the obvious choice. Lynch OP . His original posts following the thread: On September 15 2013 07:36 Old Partner wrote: Well how boned am I now? fuck show or indicate a mindset where he is willing to give up. As in, he doesn't believe he can prove he's town. Furthermore, I actually do agree there is a chance that there are two survivors. I never rule out the impossible. However, it is indicative he is scum because of the retroactive effect, the less likely there are two be two survivors, the more that he's scum. Alright, makes sense. To me he's going to end up scum because I can't see there being two KP. If both scum and SK hit townies, without blue intervention, town could only have two mislynches, which is pretty harsh. So for further analysis during this day we should assume he's scum, although again it's not certain and if wrong we need to re-evaluate things. Kush is certain scum to me. His post here reveals he knew scum had fake claims. He later explains here: On September 14 2013 07:43 kushm4sta wrote: I asked about this as soon as I got my role. There are fake claims so mass claim well just out blues There's no way he asks this when he gets his role. Why would anyone ever do that on this planet. This alone is enough for me, but I will also add that he doesn't give a shit, is actively trolling, but then says he will try and play serious. He is doing a persona of a troll rather than an actual troll. But again, the above was enough for me anyway. Koshi is town His posts are too genuine. Here is his filter. Here you go! Like Rayn, he posts a shit-ton, but however unlike Rayn you see a logical progression of ideas and they always have an immediate point and an intent to promote discussion. If you have questions about this please ask me and I'll go more in detail with specific posts. Umasi is town Doesn't post much, but is attempting to promote discussion, albeit late because he was a replacement. Also Goodkarma struck town to me as he correctly identified the pointless koshi/grack/va/snb situation. This post to me seems like he's attempting to generate discussion: On September 13 2013 18:13 Umasi wrote: few things with this line, blub. kind of a wacky thing to phrase, but why didn't you want to mess with the wagon? like, why is that a thought that even entered your head? 'Should I interfere with this or not' and in the underlined, you say 'if SnB were scum' why are you speaking in a different tense than the present? I think it's a breach in mentality, you are scum, SAB is town, and since you know this, phrased it the way you did accidentally. ##VOTE BLUB your opening post struck me really wrong, the fact that you fos(or whatever you did, lightly pressure) grack makes me think grack is kinda townie since you're pretty scummy. gotta go to sleep now, not nearly done catching up with the thread, will check in in the morning and try to catch up as much as possible before school. He pressures blub, but rather than go afk eventually or even stick with "he's suspicious," he actually changes to the scum that we now know in OP Rayn I'm a lot less suspicious of Rayn, honestly. To be frank most of my analysis was that he was disrupting the thread, and trying to nail everyone who I thought was town. But him on OP is one of the main tells that he's town, he actively didn't vote for blub(or zealos, if we assume zealos is town), despite an active presence in the thread. This vote, disregarding on what he says, indicates to me he is probably town. | ||
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There is not an SK unless someone here claims they got shot. Then we can assume that there is(or more unlikely scum has 2 kp, but that's a small possibility). So that means that there are no third party, so SnB is either scum or town. Assuming he's scum, that means that mafia have to be sure that they didn't roleblock someone else. So either WoS was roleblocked (why), or SnB is town because mafia don't roleblock themselves especially not at a pivotal moment like N1. | ||
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On September 15 2013 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote: So why do you think I dont want to kill BH? On September 15 2013 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont want to lynch OP, he's cool. Why does Rayn get townie points for being on OP Pandain? If rayn was scum, OP was a mislynch. Please explain | ||
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2. kushm4sta 4. Old Partner 5. Koshi 6. Strongandbig 13. goodkarma replaced D1 by Umasi 9. raynpelikoneet 10. Grackaroni See analysis of mine before. This leaves: 3. VayneAuthority 7. Onegu replaced D1 by Oatsmaster 12. Papa_Smurf 14. Sn0_Man 15. Zealos Papa_Smurf is cleared for me right now. He has been adamant on kush and pushing discussion when discussion had died down. Filter His posts have been long and more importantly filled with points and not just repeating stuff. Even more improtantly, perhaps, they have been often which overall indicates hes active which is a general point for him, though not certain. If Kush is in fact scum, I would say Papa is probably cleared for helping me almost lynch him. Vayne is a bit suspicious to me, contrary to what I believed earlier. Mainly it's the fact that despite being active, he's not trying to actually push stuff. He's giving a lot of defenses but not a lot of strong offenses. Sn0 is slightly town to me. . Was actually trying to push for me, and active and frank about his opinions. Problem is hasn't posted lately so hard to analyze, where has he been lately? Also he immediately tried to say OP was bullshit, why would scumteam do that? Esp. if you're playing a lurker like Sn0. I am waiting for Oats and Zealos respones. On September 15 2013 12:29 Papa_Smurf wrote: Also pandain on your read on rayne, you say "assume zealos is town". Do you ahve a town read on him now? No, I was talking in reference to him, if Zealos and Blub were town, then not switching to either(assuming Zealos was town) indicates that Rayn is in fact town. | ||
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On September 15 2013 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: hmm? Im asking why Umasi thinks I dont want to kill BH. Im confused. Also I answered the second part earlier, I was wrong :x Probably because you said you don't want to lynch OP in the post above. I'll be back in 30 minutes, hope you're ok with that Papa. I want to play super smash with my friend and don't feel too compelled to justify myself atm. | ||
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It's Kush 4, OP 6, Blub 4. I agree to help try and get Zealos lynched instead of OP, since you guys didn't want to lynch kush. Grack changes from OP to Zealos. Kush 4, OP 5, Blub 4, Zealos 2 Blub changes from OP to Zealos Kush 4, OP 4, Blub 4, Zealos 3 I change from Kush to Zealos Kush 3, OP 4, Blub 4, Zealos 4 It is 6:59. I realize that no one else is online or going to change. OP was going to be lynched since he hit 4 first. Given the strange votes I had seen on OP I had believed he was town, so I would rather lynch Blub than OP. So I change from Zealos to blub to ensure Blub is lynched instead as I thought it was the better choice. | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote: you're horrible koshi. Night guys. OP is scum. Lynch him or lynch town. GUARANTEED. On September 14 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote: for what? I dont want to lynch SnB today. There are already 2 votes on OP, so he needs like another 3 to be the dude thats gonna die. Do you think thats hard to get?? I dont see the point of you shutting me down like this. Do you prefer regurgitated content or new stuff about a new person that is scum. You have given no reasons why you dont want to lynch OP Papa smurf. Give those reasons. On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote: What 4th wagon? Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP. Why arent you voting for OP? Second read is Blubb. Why have you changed despite him becoming more suspicious? | ||
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On September 15 2013 14:02 Papa_Smurf wrote: Ok. This above vote gives me a wtf kind of moment (you apparently thought you were voting OP and not kush, which would make you think OP had one less vote than he actually did at that time, which in turn would let you think OP was safe) Oh yeah no I was probably copying the format of the people above me. Or just consistantly thinking about OP. | ||
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I then realized you play like you are playing now when you are anti town. Then I also realized that even if you aren't scum, you're still a third party and who really cares in the end. This is a free lynch that we get a 70% chance of hitting scum, you would do the same in our situation and we aren't changing it. Especially since mafia only killed *another* survivor. So for our sake either do more analysis if you want or stop spamming the thread. | ||
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How did you come up with a fake claim? Why did you now say you fake claimed? None of this is scum to me but just confusing. | ||
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Actually it's more a benefit, you can see how others respond to those arguments and then analyze from there. You should respond less and analyze more. I have 7 pages of filter and I've said probably far more than 30 pages of filter from others. | ||
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On September 18 2013 08:51 Grackaroni wrote: What townie gets RB, knows that there was only one RB yesterday and then is curious whether scum could have RB'd Koshi. I'm suspicious of this claim. Can you explain this? | ||
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I also think, sadly to say, that Zealos should be lynched first instead of Kush. I am not as certain after reading kush's filters in other games that he is playing like scum. His play is like his town play. The only thing scummy to me, while incredibally suspicious, is that for some reason he asked if he could claim to the host, and then asked if scum were given fake claims which doesn't make sense to me. However I do believe that post analysis should take precedence over meta-guessing. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote: The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP. Which was true and suspicious. (However I have learned that sometimes townies don't give reasonings as well). The big three are Vayne, Zealos, and Kush. If you think I'm mafia because I made logical points which happened to be unfortunately wrong(but not because of my logic), then I can't really say anything because I did indeed help save BH. I am also way less suspicious of Kush now due to his plethora of contributions lately. In fact, the only thing I really have against him now is that he is having really bad reads as well as his scum slip early on. Also his early spam. However Zealos is guilty of continual lurking, bad reads, and really everything + more than Kush. Zealos is suspicious in innumerable ways, and I'll just point out the ways in which he's been suspicious that you guys haven't noticed. On September 14 2013 06:34 Zealos wrote: Pandain seems town, so I guess I trust you. Whatever :3 ##Vote: Kush Speaks for itself On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote: I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it? ##Predayvote:OP vigipls Ok with him being scum, doesn't make sense from town perspective. Also disagrees with his previous assertion that OP is a "pre day vote". On September 15 2013 09:38 Zealos wrote: yeahh... no. Would still rather kill SnB tho. Again disagrees. This is okay in itself, townies change opinions and don't have to say why because the thought process is continual rather than in steps, and we don't even see all of those steps. On September 16 2013 20:18 Zealos wrote: I've changed my mind again. If we don't kill OP today, we will look back at the end of the game and be like "How did we let a potential SK or Squm survive when at best they are a survivor" However this post is so suspicious, OP was already going to be lynched, and this is bad reasoning to the extreme. Seems like a bad attempt to justify a lynch. I don't really see a townie justification, and the reasoning for that lynch is just so bad. Finally I will note that his play this gamesharply contrasts with his two last town games(excluding bastard mafia which was an anomoly game anyway with weird roles and post requirements), game of thrones mafia, Paranoia Mafia, while being similar to his mafia play in Magic the Gathering Mafia, although a year ago. Mainly they are different in that Zealos actually tried that game to help figure out stuff; this game there's no real effort. I don't consider his continual accusations of SnB, without any real attempt to get him lynched or convince others, as well as the lack to figure out other people, to disprove my conclusion. I further disagree with PapaSmurf that even if it indicates he's SK that that means we try and lynch scum instead. If anything, we go straight for the SK so we lower the future KP. Furthermore, I note that OP only bandwagoned Zealos when it was himself or Zealos, and so scum would logically choose to save the more experienced player as well as the godfather to boot. Finally, I note that if Zealos turns out to indeed be scum, it helps analyze kush who's been defending him without legitimate reasons and is suspicious as already noted. If Zealos turns scum , I would assume a Zealos-Kush-BH team as scum with Vayne as the SK. | ||
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Don't understand how you can defend someone who's play so drastically differs from his town play in previous games. Zealos isn't a town lurker, or at least a town non contributing person. He's a mafia one, etc mtg mafia. Why would you go off worse reads when blue roles will provide us more info later on | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:24 Sn0_Man wrote: Cursory analysis of the voting reveals that zealos literally cannot be scum. 3p yes, scum no. I do like how pandain is going after the 3 easiest targets in the thread though. Note how Kush was the preferred mislynch of BH since day1 and most of his reads lined up with Koshi's (who was killed last night). Kush is also confirmed town. Vayne looks bad but he can't be SK and his play looked like SK more than scum to me. Try again panda. I don't know what you mean. I see four town one scum on him day one with mafia gf voting him to save himself. Day two two town and desperate BH. Kush was never pushed by BH, only laid a single vote which never ended up threatening kush. I was the one behind that effort and while acknowledging Kush looked scummy never actually wanted to lynch him or pushed him despite being then clearly suspicious. | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Zealos might be SK but i want to lynch scum now because it gives us better connections to the last scum. Zealos is not mafia because of D1 votes. If you think Zealos is sk then lynch him to lower kp. He also can clearly be mafia to day one votes and you ignore context otherwise. | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so Zealos is mafia and Blazinghand last minute switches to lynch a scumbuddy instead of lynching town!blubbers? Bullshiiiiitttt.. It's not certain though it might point to him then being SK. I have devoted already too much of my time to this, if you can't see regardless ignoring meta hat Zealos is the best lynch the. I don't have time to convince you. | ||
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I have no idea how you can possibly justify reading this filter and saying that Grack is mafia. Filter Ignoring HOW wrong he is, that is not how a scum plays unless you are literally better than Ace. He has been contributing actively, putting himself out there, fake claimed for no reason , and then un fake claimed for no reason . That is not a scum play style and he is not scum! I have defended myself plenty of times before, read my filter(it isn't that long). Yes, I thought OP was town, votes were piling on him too quickly. It just so happened that all votes ended up being town, but it could have more likely been the other way around and there were some scum in there. I justified myself and a lot of you guys even agreed with me, so now saying that I'm scum due to that is really really poor reasoning. You guys confuse honest incorrect analysis with scum shennanigans. Oats, look at my analysis of Zealos. Ignoring what I said about Vayne(which turned out to be incorrect, sorry didn't think about that), his play style fits with his mafia play style, doesn't fit with his play style, and he has been lurking. Only townie thing is that he ended up voting OP but its ridiculous to try and claim that scum wouldn't have bussed him after WoS was revealed to be a survivor. Oh my god you guys need help, I will be debunking Vayne's post now. | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:54 VayneAuthority wrote: Compact read development of why grack and pandain are scum together. (pandain association, seeing a scum partner's opening post as scummy due to outside knowledge) This is so incredibly meta and relies on the assumption that we are scum. So this is all flawed unless we're scum. (We later find out WoS is survivor, so this is why I added this quote. Looks like WoS knows something is up but doesn't give a shit since he's 3P) (starts attacking me day 2 when it is town sentiment that im scummy) This kind of argument is also bad. (You guys say I go after easy targets, maybe it's because they're clearly scum? I've put in more logical analysis then you guys, which are based on assumptions and meta.) This isn't even an attack, it's a response as to why he thinks you're scum. (Pandain association) The whole fakeclaim thing, can't even quote any of that to summarize how dumb/anti-town it was It is the exact opposite of anti-town. It is so dumb that it is town. The only reasoning was an honest Grack attempt to help the thread, it wasn't out of any possible scum motivation that you can possibly imagine. Name me a single anti-town motivation. That's right, there isn't any. In fact, the fact he then backtracked is so town because it is so fricking weird. (I forgot pandain was even in this game at this point, he is the lurker.) (ignore staged argument since that's wrong now, but fact stands that their argument shit up the thread) (abrupt reads change to agree with town sentiment, association tells galore) And finally, the most recent argument where grack tries to paint me as scum based on a mod question. LOL! If anyone doesn't think that grack/pandain are the last scum then too bad, guess you can't be convinced. The rest of your arguments also rely on the assumption we're scum. In fact really all of them do. Not very good reasoning, not good logic, Grack is really town and anyone is wrong to say otherwise. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:32 Sn0_Man wrote: See rayn? Pandain proves grack town. So we lynch pandain  You have been tunneled after me since day one, I ignored you since it didn't matter then. Now it does because if we have four different targets scum will never get lynched. On September 19 2013 00:44 Sn0_Man wrote: Pandain, zealos IS NOT SCUM. He could very very easily be 3p (I half wanna say jester lol). If you can PROVE that he is the SK (maybe, say, SnB was pushing him or somethign) then we can talk but if you want to lynch him you have to prove him the SK. Stop saying "this looks like his scum game" because he aint scum. The point is he's not town. That's the crux of my argument. I don't care if he's SK(in fact it's better), and I disagree with you guys who rely on meta-analysis that it's impossible that he's scum. Read my argument, he doesn't give a shit this game, he gives shits in other games, and shares his shit with the rest of the town. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote: This is it right here. Thats why I think hes scum. Also his randomass unvote of OP on day 1 without saying other than 'this feels bad' Please reflect on the matter. Give me an honest justification for that fakeclaim/anti fake claim? Distract the thread? Really he would put that much suspicion on himself to try and shit up the thread? On September 19 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain, i am pretty sure i asked you about this earlier, but i'll ask you again: How do you explain Grackaroni's vote switch on D1 based on his reasoning? Grack thinks Pandain & SnB & OP are scum. Grack has his vote on OP. SnB pushes Zealos lynch. Pandain makes a couple of good posts (according to Grack) and advocates kush lynch Grack switches to Zealos. Explain it to me from town pov. Because he agreed with my logic, which is perfectly sound, that a) Day one votes are usually guided my lurking mafia b) votes on OP were strange and unjustified, and also conflicted with people who previously liked OP That reasoning led me to mistakenly believe that OP is town, but the only reason I was wrong is because it actually happened that the lurking town led the vote, which is almost never the case. It happened that people piled on OP, but that vote honestly at that time was a poor choice and there wasn't enough evidence to really lynch him. Grack ended up believing me, however, on the vote issue. Townie thinking. Also ignore that matter, and look at his filter. Recognize townies make mistakes and weird things(for example you have pushed literally everyone in the thread at some time as scum), and instead look if they made honest mistakes. Grack did, he has been pro town otherwise. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:44 Sn0_Man wrote: Lynching SK effectively halves the anti-town KP since town is far enough ahead this game (due to 15 player 3 scum setup) that SK will be hitting town as much as possible. Alternatively, we are at 7-1-2 Lynch Scum, 2NKs on town: 5-1-1 MYLO since a mislynch leads to 2-1-1 town can't win Lynch SK, Only 1 NK on town: 6-0-2 not mylo since a mislynch leads to 4-0-2. Objectively better for town to lynch SK over scum. Also was hoping that scum might know who the SK is so we can lynch SK happily in harmony. The point is that we should, at the core, lynch people who are anti town. There may be signs they are scum, with more information and flips we can narrow others down. But Zealos is the most likely of flipping either scum or SK, please reflect on his prior games and then come back to me. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol what suspicion did he get put under? Absolutely nothing. The fakeclaim was to out the vet IMO, then he unfakeclaims and apologizes. The thing that makes me think he's town is that in his unfakeclaiming post, he posted that he doesnt want to be thought of confirmed town for the claim. Which is an odd mindset for scum. He didn't get put any under suspicion because I correctly identified that it is too risky and too bold for a mafia to try and fake claim a vet in order to, as you say, out another vet. A vet is such a small part of the game, only one person versus ~3 other blues and however other many town members. You really think his goal was to out a vet? What if a vet did claim? Then shit, total suspicion on Grack. We would have had a totally different game, and probably would have lynched Grack. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:49 Sn0_Man wrote: Zealos *cannot* be scum lol. If we are 100% that he is antitown then I agree he is the best lynch because that makes him SK. @Oats how the hell would I know. I've only played with 1 SK before and town got raped because of it (also bastard setup imo but thats neither here nor there). Actually, as far as I'm concerned SKs are practically universally bastard but w/e. We don't have to be 100%, I at least am far more certain than anyone else he is antitown. There is like a .5% chance that Grack is scum, and a .0005 chance he is SK. I also disagree that he cannot be scum. Zealos did not vote for OP. BH could have thought he would gain town cred if he last second voted Zealos, which he would've. They could have miscalculated and thought they had to vote Zealos or OP would be lynched. There are too many variables you leave out and then make assumptions of when in reality it was a last 5 minute vote scram. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Then Grack apologetically unfakeclaims. You dont see the play here? He knows his plan is to fakeclaim vet, then fakeclaim VT. Low risk IMO and possible we think that hes town for doing some retarded shit. High risk. Because you guys would have bandwagoned(although I would have protested again, knowing how idiotic it was) against Grack for a false fake claim which he would have only un-fakeclaimed after being shown wrong. You guys would have thought he was making stuff up and trying to gain blue status. On September 19 2013 03:00 Sn0_Man wrote: Aaaaand before WoS flipped survivor zealos was mega-bussing OP N1? yeah no He never bussed OP Night One, wwhhhhaaatt? Only post was here: On September 14 2013 07:00 Zealos wrote: Also, so casual OP switching votes while inactive in thread. Smooth. This helps indicate the theory he's SK as it seems he's against OP, but again I refrain from such absolutes. On September 19 2013 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did Zealos not vote for blubbers then? Do you think scum/SK agree on dying instead of voting for anyone who is not in their team, let it be just for living another phase? Zealos was there. He was in thread. He was about to get lynched. It makes zero sense if he is not town. He is town. I refrain from such absolutes, and the only thing that you have convinced me of is he is SK rather than scum. Sno are you happy, I mainly agree now, though still don't real out scum. He is not playing town, how can you accuse everyone EXCEPT Zealos when Zealos is the most ANTI TOWN out of anyone. | ||
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Points I have made 1. Grack is clearly not scum. Read his filter please. Even if he double fake claimed, his posting still makes him town. 2. Zealos is anti town, probably SK. | ||
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I am searching for anti town people and Zealos is clearly not pro town. Given he is normally pro town I have to assume he is similar to his mafia playstyle. Or now tp play style | ||
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On September 19 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: So where did everyone go when we started talking about scum instead of SK? As I said I had class. If I had to guess, it would be Vayne for scum. It's a bunch of little things. + Show Spoiler + He voted Blub who we now know is town. It's alright, a whole bunch of others did too (and I chose him over BH). This post is suspicious: On September 12 2013 08:32 VayneAuthority wrote: this time im his town buddy bro also you were serial killer in that game so you were just leading on anything LOL @papasmurf it was just that game. he usually just fucks around as town but randomly started writing cases and shit in persona Assumes that kush is town at day one, weird assumption to make. Assumes they're both town? Covering? Slipped knowledge kush is town? A lot of possibilties, but most lead to a scum reason why. On September 14 2013 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote: im back, catching up now. saw the mislynch though =/ gotta look at the people that followed my wagon with little to no support. He was leading a wagon? Makes it seem like others are at fault and not him. There are more posts like this, it's not certain but its a guess. He also is playing similar to his town game in Titanic. I would say he's playing a good game of mafia, but mafia none the less. Don't understand why people say my posts make me pro-town and then when it happens I'm wrong(it's ok, it's mafia) people say I'm mafia. I did what I did because it made sense, and I explain it. I also think Kush is still a good choice, but think Zealos is the best choice. Sno can you explain why you think I'm scum? All I get from you is that I'm going after the "easiest" lynches. | ||
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On September 19 2013 05:15 Sn0_Man wrote: The complete lack of scumhunting, the ridiculous vote swaps latelatelate day 1, etc. Built upon an early scumread that I let slide when your posting improved but I'm having a hard time giving up completely. Virtually every reasonable scumteam that I can come up with includes you. A large part of it also being how you interacted with OP. I've scum hunted plenty. It's just that I like to analyze rather than post every opinion I have which is likely to change. That's why I go after my best reads rather than everyone at once, because my reads on other players will change eventually anyway. I'm trying my best with classes, judge what I have based on the quality of the posts. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:32 Sn0_Man wrote: Dibbers has been hella townie all game. I agree that the OP wagon looks like the wagon of injustice, only who the fuck is it saving if its scum driving it? That gives me some pause. Still think blubbers is the lynch. | ||
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On September 19 2013 05:48 Sn0_Man wrote: Maybe hard defending scum is a town-tell and nobody let me know? Maybe I was simply wrong? Your argument isn't that I made a scum slip. It isn't that I unreasonably defended him. Your argument as to why I should be lynched above others is that I simply happened to be wrong. You defended and voted to save OP when he was FAR more suspicious, while I correctly realized he was scum. On September 17 2013 06:46 Sn0_Man wrote: Mind change #88932 Zealos is scum. Read that filter (LOL) no way hes town. Lynch him first THEN Blazinghand. Watching BH squirm is amazing. (i voted in other thred for zellos) Your reasoning is inherently flawed | ||
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On September 19 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: That doesn't work unfortunately, because if we lynch town we lose. That's not a townie mindset. Yeah I know if he wasn't town I was going to be like sike don't lynch me! | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: When you get back talk to me about this post. In this post you give reasons why Vayne is scum. I don't see how these things you point out make Vayne scum. In fact, you say later on that "Vayne played similarly in his town game Titanic". You say there is "other stuff like this". What's it? I still don't get why you think kush is scum. You have been wanting to policy lynch him on D1. After that he has stepped up his game, a lot. What makes him scum? I think Vayne is scum, but I gave an honest analsyis. He's playing similar(post style) to his town play in Titanic, but he has made suspicious votes. The "it" is suspicious posts. Kush was more than a policy lynch to me ever since he said he knew scum had fake claims. I didn't and still don't find it plausible that upon receiving your role you ask if you can claim, and then ask if scum can fake claim. It's a non-sequitur. I don't buy his excuse for it. Also his recent play has been poor analysis wise too, but that's not as important, as he could just be bad trying to push Grack as scum and then me as scum. | ||
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If we find the SK, then town only faces one possible kp(due to blue roles perhaps saving). So it would be now 7-2-1 Into 7-2 Night passes, 6-2 5-2 into night 4-2 4-2 into night 3-2 3-2 into night 1-2 and lose etc... we have three chances to lynch and still win. The three remaining are most likely in Kush, Zealos, and Vayne. There is a small chance it is someone like Sno. Your reads on mafia are bad and wrong as I've stated, so my view on this is that you're trying to find mafia but failing. | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's suspicious in Vayne's voting? Compared to Grackaroni who agrees with his scumread to vote for a target that is pushed by his other scumread? Really, Vayne comes out more suspicious of that? Have you ever played with kush? Him asking if scum have fake claims does not necessarily make him scum. If he was scum why the hell would he be screaming it out in thread for nothing? Him making analysis makes him so town. This is like more analysis he has made in his last 5 town games. Who is to say he is wrong? Even if you are not scum, why can't Grackaroni/debears be? I disagree with everything you say. First, you forget. It isn't really Vayne's vote but his posts which are suspicious. Voting blub, saying we need to look at people who followed him without reason, and then not following up with that. Bad reasoning on grack and me. It's not conclusive, and I never said I was which is why I have been changing my opinion of him. "Him making analysis makes him so town". That's what grack has been doing? Except better analysis? And he's been doing it for longer and more consistantly? You still also haven't addressed the fact that there is no smart reason for a scum to try and fake claim and bring attention to himself when everything is going well for him, in order to try and out a vet. Has there EVER been a play in mafia history which tried to out a vet? That is not even risky, it's just dumb. | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne has been looking into people who followed him. Didn't you and Grack follow him for example? Okay so where has Grack found scum? What makes his analysis better? Yes there is and i have addressed it. I don't remember that kinda scenario. I can point out a lot of scenarios that are extremely rare but not impossible. Have you seen a scenario where a townie fakeclaims cop to lynch a mafioso and the real cop claims a green check on the fakeclaimant to convince him to lynch another mafioso? Then a third townie says "you are all dumb" and makes a case against a third mafioso, and because it is majority lynch it's possible that noone is gonna get lynched so a fourth townie fakeclaims a cop to lynch the first mafia guy. These things happen. Vayne doesn't even matter, no one seriously wants to lynch him, or I ignore those people because it's not the right lynch at this time. He is too vague. But grack is town, and if you're going to let him be lynched because you're too blind to see it then you need to re-read the mafia guides that are stickied at the top of the mafia forum and relearn how to find townies. There's only even been one scum to find, and that's OP. Ok, so he was wrong the first time along with me for good reasoning. You guys had bad reasoning anyway and it was a bad day one lynch that turned out to be lucky. But when it was obvious he was scum, he voted him. There's not much to hold against him. And no you can not find a game where mafia has ever fake claimed vet in order to out a vet because that is the most retarded idea I have ever heard in my life | ||
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On September 19 2013 08:02 kushm4sta wrote: do you think im being sneaky about who i tihnk are anti town?/ panda grack deberas i only said it a million times No but I'm curious why you don't at least vote and take a side. | ||
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On September 19 2013 05:58 Pandain wrote: Lynch Zealos. If he's not anti town, you can lynch me. That's the pandain way! Me tooooo | ||
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But we're far confident that Zealos is SK(or more unlikely, scum). I also disagree with debears and possibly Umasi in that I don't think there are really any scummy things in Grack's play | ||
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The only game where he plays like he is now is in Magic the Gathering where he was scum. Scum play is usually a lot like SK play. | ||
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On September 19 2013 08:24 kushm4sta wrote: um i REALLY dont think we should be aiming to kill the sk. SK is way harder to find than mafia. Most of the time they act pretty much like town. Like previously i thought debears was scum but now I think he may be mafia If you think this you are wrong. | ||
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On September 19 2013 08:30 VayneAuthority wrote: My biggest gripe is OP switching his vote to zealos to save himself. what's the point of saving yourself in that manner to just kill another scum? He's SK or town, I don't see him as scum. Too easy and doesn't make any sense. We've come to an analysis that either he's SK, or mafia messed up in that regards and Zealos is still mafia (less likely but still to be considered). | ||
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[QUOTE]On September 19 2013 08:27 kushm4sta wrote: [QUOTE]On September 19 2013 08:13 Papa_Smurf wrote: Btw just to let people know. The reason why Umasi and I and Pandain are voting with each other is from the mason talks. Umasi and I both think Pandain is town based on mason chats and overall play.[/QUOTE] people dont pass over this..if debears were town, why would he be making excuses for being on the same wagon as certain people[/QUOTE] And he's simply explaining why we are thinking alike. I like to think of it as a disjointed town circle of freedom. | ||
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Bastard: there were post requirements to his role so I mainly ignored this, also it was a funny game. Was town though Paranoia: town, actually contributed Game of thrones: town, actually contributed His play, although its from a year ago, is most similar to Magic the gathering mafia. Here's my analysis of Zealos: + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2013 00:18 Pandain wrote: Which was true and suspicious. (However I have learned that sometimes townies don't give reasonings as well). The big three are Vayne, Zealos, and Kush. If you think I'm mafia because I made logical points which happened to be unfortunately wrong(but not because of my logic), then I can't really say anything because I did indeed help save BH. I am also way less suspicious of Kush now due to his plethora of contributions lately. In fact, the only thing I really have against him now is that he is having really bad reads as well as his scum slip early on. Also his early spam. However Zealos is guilty of continual lurking, bad reads, and really everything + more than Kush. Zealos is suspicious in innumerable ways, and I'll just point out the ways in which he's been suspicious that you guys haven't noticed. Speaks for itself Ok with him being scum, doesn't make sense from town perspective. Also disagrees with his previous assertion that OP is a "pre day vote". Again disagrees. This is okay in itself, townies change opinions and don't have to say why because the thought process is continual rather than in steps, and we don't even see all of those steps. However this post is so suspicious, OP was already going to be lynched, and this is bad reasoning to the extreme. Seems like a bad attempt to justify a lynch. I don't really see a townie justification, and the reasoning for that lynch is just so bad. Finally I will note that his play this gamesharply contrasts with his two last town games(excluding bastard mafia which was an anomoly game anyway with weird roles and post requirements), game of thrones mafia, Paranoia Mafia, while being similar to his mafia play in Magic the Gathering Mafia, although a year ago. Mainly they are different in that Zealos actually tried that game to help figure out stuff; this game there's no real effort. I don't consider his continual accusations of SnB, without any real attempt to get him lynched or convince others, as well as the lack to figure out other people, to disprove my conclusion. I further disagree with PapaSmurf that even if it indicates he's SK that that means we try and lynch scum instead. If anything, we go straight for the SK so we lower the future KP. Furthermore, I note that OP only bandwagoned Zealos when it was himself or Zealos, and so scum would logically choose to save the more experienced player as well as the godfather to boot. Finally, I note that if Zealos turns out to indeed be scum, it helps analyze kush who's been defending him without legitimate reasons and is suspicious as already noted. If Zealos turns scum , I would assume a Zealos-Kush-BH team as scum with Vayne as the SK. | ||
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I've said before Vayne was iffy at best, I've always said Kush was the best bet. Read my filter for plenty of analysis. Vayne is also playing like his town play in Titanic. | ||
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Please people think about honest mafia thought process | ||
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See: Mafia XXX analysis by Ver on mafia thoughts | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote: I see no reason to not believe the claim, vet/mason/parity cop is more than reasonable. If there are any other blues in this game, speak up now. this is important. No that's dumb unless almost lynched | ||
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PS claims Isaac(main character who we know is in it due to other roles being Isaac's best friend/mother), and parity cop, and Kush keeps his vote on him. Being wrong is okay, but he's keeping his vote on him which shows he's desperate. We next focus on oats/vayne/Sno tommorow. I will do analysis and figure it out. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please do not lynch kushmasta, i am sure he ain't scum... You've been sure everyone has been scum at some point. 100% sure SnB scum, heavily sure that me/grack scum, etc.... | ||
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Kush do you honestly think PS is likely fake claiming? That we don't have an Isaac when everyone is active? | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:24 kushm4sta wrote: PS WHY YOU NO CHECK ME This shows that he believes PS is cop. Yet he still has a vote on PS | ||
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Give role now and pm. | ||
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He went from "Rayne is the towniest townies to ever town" to "Rayne is def sk" On September 19 2013 22:19 kushm4sta wrote: 1. Pandain 2. kushm4sta 3. VayneAuthority 7. Onegu replaced D1 by Oatsmaster 9. raynpelikoneet 10. Grackaroni 12. Papa_Smurf 13. goodkarma replaced D1 by Umasi 14. Sn0_Man 15. Zealos this is all i know also this. Also previous post he was like "three antitown elements are in these four: not rayn" | ||
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Who is SK then? Oats? Sno? | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:55 kushm4sta wrote: the problem is we have 3 town and 3 anti town here. anti town has umasi on their side so they have the majority Do you think it's likely that PS fake claimed cop(risk being counter claimed) and also claimed the Main Character (definitely in the game, so risk being counter claimed) | ||
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Since we're not going to change. | ||
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I'll see myself out | ||
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Basically I totally agree with Grackaroni's analysis, that we should attempt to lynch the SK. I also agree with the post by Sn0 man indicating that he's not mafia, aka he's sk. Furthermore, I believe Grack, rayn, Papa, and me are town, so everyone else (Oats, Vayne, Sn0+man) are anti town. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:14 Grackaroni wrote: I recognize that there is another game going on that most of you are in but for the last few days the activity level has been atrocious. It wasn't an issue for me then because I thought I had the game solved. Pandain, your lack of activity concerns me. All you did yesterday was pop in to agree with my analysis. This is LYLO, please give me your best. I don't think there's much to say. I'll vote Oats. | ||
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Also I think we should vote oats instead of Vayne because in scenarios where grack is Mafia oats is more likely | ||
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I will say why Oats is scum. Grack is clearly not, by the way, because he is trying to get us to post, when he could have just lurked into victory if scum. | ||
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I would ask all town members to follow me, as assuming its 3 versus 2, we need to unite. And I am indeed town. | ||
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On September 25 2013 13:32 VayneAuthority wrote: if you are town then rayn is town by proxy, we've figured out the game at this point besides the fact that rayn thinks there is a 1 shot vig and the roleblock incriminates me, as if I would be stupid enough to roleblock a vet and then ask if roleblocking a vet kills them in 1 hit right after I did it. I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario in where he isn't right though so I'm not sure what happened. What if I was framed night one? Rayn then isn't town. | ||
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You and Rayn are going too hard against each other. I'll decide between you later. | ||
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I'm convinced. | ||
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Thank god for so few players btw so I can post like this. | ||
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So tomorrow I'll do it since I'm too tired now, analyzing is too long now. | ||
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Rayn is clearly town so I don't have to prove myself. Rayn claimed one of most important characters and medic? If false gets counter claimed and loses. Therefore Rayn likely town | ||
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On September 26 2013 04:03 Pandain wrote: Basically me and Rayn are linked. Rayn is clearly town so I don't have to prove myself. Rayn claimed one of most important characters and medic? If false gets counter claimed and loses. Therefore Rayn likely town | ||
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I know I stopped playing but that doesn't make me scum. And I didn't quit playing after day one, I pushed for Zealos and Kush who turned out to just be retarded. Plus I'm here now. Oats has been gone, why aren't you suspicious of him? | ||
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But your fake fake claim. Nooooooooooooooooooooo | ||
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Also what are you. I'm VT | ||
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There are too many flaws in your hypothesis. You assume the above which is illogical, you assume Rayn would fake claim medic and an important name in the series which is likely in it(same logic stood true for Papasmurf). If we were scum, we would have just buddied Oats and been like yo Vayne so scum. | ||
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1. It makes sense for town to have a medic. Do you disagree with this? No medic? I mean its possible, but scum doesn't know if town has a medic so its risky to try and claim medic as its literally impossible to have two medics. logic logic logic | ||
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Still think kush was a good lynch though, but I focused too much on bad rather than scum. I consider it as my warm-up game back to mafia, however. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: It was impossible to convince the town this game. Look at what happened on D3. I had to fucking choose between confirmed town and 99% confirmed town BECAUSE I WAS NOT GIVEN ANY OTHER OPTION FOR LYNCH AND EVERRYONE JUST "##YOLO LETS KILL KUSH BECAUSE ITS FUNNN!"!!" fuck this shit. He was literally claiming debears was scum. | ||
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