EPTYou have even less reasoning for Koshi being scum, all you have said is that he was suspicious of Pandain. It looks to me that you only wrote your case on Blubbers to jump on some early town cred and after people wrote you off as town you got lazy and stopped bothering to analyze the thread.
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Grackaroni
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You have even less reasoning for Koshi being scum, all you have said is that he was suspicious of Pandain. It looks to me that you only wrote your case on Blubbers to jump on some early town cred and after people wrote you off as town you got lazy and stopped bothering to analyze the thread. | ||
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On September 14 2013 14:53 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't feel the need to repeat myself, if I see anything worthy of deep analysis then ill post it. You asked for scumreads and I gave an overview of what i've seen from day 1. It's not so much outdated as getting badgered to re-iterate what I have already said. If you actually thought this was all shitty then you would have said something before now I presume. There's a reason I had asked you the question rather than just looking back at what you already said. I wanted to see if you had anything new to bring to the table after the Blubbdavid lynch. Your reasoning for Koshi being scum is weak. You are telling me there is nobody in this game you are more suspicious of at the moment then Koshi because he was suspicious of Pandain's first post? That's the best scum read you've got at this point in the game? | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:31 Pandain wrote: SnB, I beg you to vote Kush. Zelos isn't going to be lynched, and you see I agree with you he's scummy. He's not going to be lynched however. Rayn I ask that you see what I'm saying, or at least trust in me if you believe I'm town. I promise you OP is town. Papa_Smurf and OP are town or are behaving like town. OP is town mainly for the bandwagon that just occured, also note that he's afk even now which shows that he really can't contribute as of now. Zealos if you're town I ask you to vote Kush. Also you guys are talking about mostly useless shit that doesn't matter now, focus on the matter at hand. Pandain says that he thinks Zealos is scum On September 14 2013 06:32 Pandain wrote: The reason I favor Kush instead of blubb is that we can more safely lynch blubb later, or rule him out later due to rolechecks and flips and then analyze there. With Kush, we have no such occurence as he is not going to be contributing more. In prior games he has contributed more as town, actually pro-actively scum hunting. This game he indicates he doesn't know what's going on, and I don't trust him to make himself easily identifiable. He will be a distraction later on to the town. There is some miswording going on here but I think what he is trying to say is that we shouldn't lynch blubb because we can get a better read on him later on. On September 14 2013 06:54 Pandain wrote: You can't get zealos, there's 2 votes on him now? Rayn won't do it, WILL YOU RAYN? You guys, honestly right now, won't vote Kush? Tell me now This is a scummy way of deflecting the wagon, Pandain thinks that Zealos is scummy but, oh shit, there's not enough time! On September 14 2013 06:53 Pandain wrote: .I am more inclined to have someone vig Zealous instead. Why are you saying this? What is the difference between a lynch and the vig? why leave Zealos to the vig? You agreed that he's scummy earlier and aren't voting because he's not going to be lynched. On September 14 2013 06:55 Pandain wrote: I don't know there's a chance Zealos is blue. There's too much I don't know. I haven't looked at his prior games either really. What kind of a reason is this to not lynch somebody? A bad one. When you said you wanted to policy lynch Kushm4sta and wanted to get him out of the way you didn't go, "oh no what if he's blue, it's too risky!" Hell you didn't even care if Kush would flip town. Pandain planted his vote already on Zealos and switched it to Blub. WE HAD THE VOTES TO LYNCH ZEALOS AND HE SWITCHED. He said he wasn't going to vote Zealos because we couldn't get a majority. Pandain's vote pushed Blubbers to his death over Zealos and what I'm seeing is scum, already agreeing that Zealos is scummy, desperately trying to save his scum buddy from a last minute vote switch through shitty tactics. . (GUYS NO TIME, HE MIGHT BE BLUE, LET'S JUST LEAVE HIM TO THE VIG") | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:27 Pandain wrote: Hi everyone, clear your heads for a moment. Old Person is clearly not mafia. There is no strong push against him except really by me, joined by Papa_Smurf. Rayn has also attempted to get SnB lynched. Blub was a lynch no one actively pushed but rather occurred over time. Umasi, Grack, and Wave gave random votes. Grack never explained, and Wave and Umasi's filters go against what they said before. Umasi said OP was cool with him(and OP didn't post after Umasi). Wave never even really mentioned OP. THESE VOTES DONT MAKE SENSE AND THEY ARE STRANGE Also Rayn is important to point out in how he stopped actively trying to get SnB lynched, and didn't even go to blub despite originally him being between those two. Never explained why. At time he voted, SnB and Blub both could've/probably would've been lynched. As a whole these votes don't make sense . It doesn't mean they're mafia, but it means it doesn't make sense . Also note how everyone has already voted. And everyone is on one of the three lynches, except for SnB/Zelous who are voting each other. I would encourage you guys to both vote kush. Old Person has been suddenly bandwagoned by people who voted him despite no evidence they had suspicions of him. Then they left. Not all of these are mafia, but some of them certainly might be. The bandwagon on OP is so strange and indicates he is town . Mafia would not have let him die and would've softly defended him earlier against suspicions/pushed him aside . Furthermore, even ignoring all the above, OP has shown he has and will contribute, and indicates that he will contribute more later on. | ||
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Zealos, Pandain You can thank me later. | ||
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Pandain's actions minutes before the lynch are a complete contradiction to what he was saying earlier, I don't see a townie backing off on a lynch he was in favor of in the last second because the player might be blue, and then voting for somebody he said he was not in favor of lynching. Vayne's reasoning for his top scum read (Koshi) is shit and he has been clinging to it all game. I think a townie would have re-evaluated his reads at this point. | ||
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On September 14 2013 21:06 strongandbig wrote: The latter. I never try to assemble a "coherent scum team" in my reads. It's a distraction, you need to find s I don't think it's likely bh is scum. But there are things that make me doubt his story somewhat. This is something that should be kept in mind for tomorrow, I think there is close to a 0% chance of Rayn and BH being on the same scum team. Rayn stubbornly sat through Pandain's posts on why BH couldn't be scum and never switched. he could have easily switched off without any suspicion and saved BH from exposing himself. Bussing is one thing, but this kind of a play is not a tactic that mafia would ever use. tldr If one of BH/Rayn flips mafia, the other is town. | ||
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On September 15 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote: So therefore Zealos is scum, Vayne is scum, Pandain is scum. Uhuh. Nope. Zealos hasn't done anything town like yet this game. You make it out as if it's ridiculous that anyone would jump to the conclusion of a Pandain-Zealos scum team from those posts. You have a reason to believe Zealos couldn't be scum? | ||
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On September 15 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Nice extremely useless Post Grack. EXTREMELY. *sigh* Looks like I'm getting myself into the classic game of scum or dumb. | ||
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On September 15 2013 00:18 Oatsmaster wrote: *sigh* look at this extremely constructed post. lol my one liner is too constructed. Talk to me Oats. Tell me why Umasi is scum, all you've said is because he voted for OP and then called you scum. Townies do things like that as well as scum... That is why I'm telling people that if One of BH/Rayn is scum the other is town. | ||
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On September 15 2013 00:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Well, BH and Rayn arent even gonna die. So that post was useless. Scum Post useless shit. You scum. Umasi did nothing. Was really easy for him to vote for OP with 0 reasoning. He then called me scum even though he sheeped me for like no reason. Therefore useless/stupid scumreads = to the dude being scum. BH/Rayn aren't even going to to die but I easily could be dead by tomorrow. I agree with you about his vote on OP but your vote on BH was poorly reasoned as well and you also placed it and disappeared. Rayn and I both gave a lot of reasoning for our votes on OP, you/WoS/Umasi did not. Pandain's main target was also a policy lynch, the same Policy lynch as BH's. So why does your reasoning then for BH being scum only apply to BH? Why does it apply to BH then but not Pandain now in light of Pandain's scummy vote switch? | ||
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On September 15 2013 00:46 Koshi wrote: Grack do you like my scumteam? Not really, I'll look over it again because maybe I'm missing something but it doesn't make sense for me that scum would be pushing Zealos over BH as a vote switch rather than Kush if they are all scum. | ||
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On September 15 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote: It was excellent. BH was playing anti townish. I was the second person to talk about OP and I arguably caused him to be almost lynched. See. OP's post were way more bullshit than Pandain. Also Pandain's vote switch is only scummy if Zealos is scum. Which I dont think so. You need to read the thread. Rayn was the first person to call BH scum and he gave reasoning. I was the second person to call OP scum and I gave my own reasoning. I don't think you were at all the cause for OP being almost lynched, you had little reasoning. | ||
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On September 15 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah cause Zealos is town. Like look at his first 5 posts. So town. Like useless people are town. Uh. Yeah cause he would post at least 1 long post in that part if he was scum. Oh my god. people are town because they are useless? I don't think I can do this anymore. | ||
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Grackaroni
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I cannot differentiate scum from dumb and it pisses me off. Pandain makes a scummy vote switch, but it's ok because he switched off a useless player who he thought was scum. So obviously they are both town. | ||
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On September 15 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol so why were there only 2 votes on OP for like more than 12 hours? Dat Ego. You had only one point and I had already used it in my argument for OP being scum earlier. I don't know why people ended up jumping on it, but I don't think it's fair to say it was because of you. I do think think it's likely a scum jumped on this vote at the end of the day and I don't think there's anything that excludes that scum from being you. | ||
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On September 15 2013 01:06 Oatsmaster wrote: So thats your problem. Ok. Right. Pandain did a lot of shit other than the vote switch but thats the only thing you are thinking about? When voting for OP your only point was that he is scum for policy lynching. That's not what I'm thinking about I want to know what you are thinking about. i.e., Why didn't that apply to Pandain then and why doesn't that make you suspicious of Pandain now. | ||
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On September 15 2013 01:08 Oatsmaster wrote: So me as scum decides to start up a dead vote because why? Also why did you unvote? Once again you aren't reading the posts because I've said this multiple times. I unvoted because I agreed with Pandain at the time and it was weird to me (and still is) that all of the votes were falling in without me even being there to push them. You may like to think you were, but you sure as hell weren't the reason. Blub was town, BH is likely 3rd Party, Kush is likely town just by looking at the votes. You're a replacement, you could have pushed basically any lynch you'd like. | ||
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