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On September 14 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears is also mafia because he refuses to comment on my case on SnB. He knows i am right.
He is not defending SnB, he is attacking someone else instead. He also said some time ago that's exactly what mafia does.
Lol the fact that you are completely ignoring what I said when I argued with you is out of control
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On September 13 2013 08:06 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 07:57 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. 1) It's insight on you. Close enough. 2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta. Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum. 3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something? Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT? I'm done arguing with you. You have hit my ignore list for this game. If you can't see why a meta read is important to bring up when you are a subject of discussion (and you think ppl are trying to lynch you), then it is hopeless to beat it out of you, especially when it's an accurate meta read according to you.
You lost any credibility you had with me when you refused to budge one bit on your reasoning and badgering me about the kush case. Your play is horrendously antitown
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 14 2013 04:52 Pandain wrote:To sum up in essence why Rayne's analysis of SnB is flawed: - Assumes that his opinion on how easy Rayn is to read hasn't changed in the two weeks since he made his prior post. Assumes that all people make logical statements totally consistent at all times.
- Assumes SnB has to be lying(goes with above.)
- His mindset is wrong, isn't from a town-beneficial perspective. He is tunneled( won't really address counter arguments such as mine), showing that his reasoning is going to be bad because of his desire to find scum.
I think Zealos is hugely duspicious and worthy of a lynch. He comes in and says he won't contribute, but gives bland reasoning that shows he's not actually interested in helping town. Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 21:50 Zealos wrote:Zealos: Is this guy his name Isaac or his role pm name Isaac? That's my name IRL. I haven't posted much, that is true, but I have had a busy few days from college, and tbh, I find Day 1's a bit of a clusterfuck anyway. I much prefer to look things over once a couple of people are dead. Not a great excuse, but eh. Trying to play "don't care townie" card Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 21:55 Zealos wrote:
I don't really know how I can prove that I'm town at this point.
I would argue that SnB looks Scummy, while I just look useless, so logic dictates that killing SnB is the best for today, then deciding on me tomorrow, after a bit more time has passed. If he was town, he would be saying he doesn't even need analysis that shouldn't even be a question. I also agree with this statement of blub in regards to Zealos. Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 22:13 blubbdavid wrote:
I do not like the fact that Zealos is jumping on the wagon so quickly, without much analysis. Rayn, it may make sense that you feel offended by SnB's posting, but him questioning your meta is not helpful for scum except for making the main speaker (which you are) look bad. As he said on his big post, he is undecided about you.
The only thing I could hold against him is that he wants to see Panda dead. Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 02:49 Zealos wrote:On September 14 2013 01:50 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:42 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats What 4th wagon? Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP. Why arent you voting for OP? Second read is Blubb. Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand Yes, let's concentrate, and you may very well start with it. What do you think of SnB? On September 14 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:14 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok snb's case is bad, dunno if it makes him scum.
I still wanna lynch blubbdavid for being like blendy and stuff. His push on Koshi is really newb town or scum.
And his next post is bad too, calling out Grack for nothing really.
Lol, I may be bad and confused and stuff, but not blendy. NOT BLENDY. My case on Koshi, Grack (where some people agreed with me) and Zealos are pioneering work. And I am calling Zealos out because of that wagonhopping and non-contributions of his. My own views on SnB don't matter in this case. @rayn I will vote for SnB if it is required. This isnt addressing. All the shit you are pointing out from Koshi and Zealous and Grack are all like non alignment indicative. Yeah sure all the stuff you pointed out scum do, BUT TOWN DO TO. You wanting to vote for SnB to save yourself even though you dont really think he is scum is scummy cause if town die, its not as big a deal for them as scum dying. If I really was scum I could have made it much, much, fucking much more easier for me. Then I wouldn't even have started with Zealos. Or do you think that both me and SnB are scum? And we are trying to evaluate who to sacrifice? Rly? btw a little tip oats: look out for papa smurf I'm pretty sure "starting on" the least active player in the game is a safe bet as scum, just saying~ Also, pls guys, my name is above my posts and at the start of the game. ZEALOS /=/ Zealous : D This is like 4 pages later? Showing he still follows thread but note he hasn't contributed shit so far at all. I think zealous is suspicious, I think WoS is suspicious, Oats is supsicious(trying to do lynch which isn't going to happen) . I don't know if blub is really bad, but I can't exactly say he's playing scummy. It seems like a typical "man this guy isn't making any logical sense" lynch into oh shit he's town. Kush so far hasn't contributed shit. Sorry, hasn't done literally anything. Has admitted he doesn't want to do read the thread, shows he doesn't care, and shows that in the future he won't care. He will be annoying to deal with and town WILL eventually lynch him later if we don't lynch him today. Instead we should lynch the person who we're going to end up lynching for the same reasons anyway now; deal with blubbers later when we obtain more information, and play it safe. SnB isn't scum, blubbers seems bad but not certain enough for scum. Zealos also seems scum but again I think we need more information. Two flips(assuming two kp although there might be three) tomorrow will grant us more than enough information to lynch someone.
Damn do I like this dude
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On September 14 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote:
Also. I am certain that Kush is not scum.
Please remove votes from him. Pandain? Old Partner? He seems scum to me because contrary to what you guys say is his "dont' give a shit" style, he attempted to become townie, probably because he can't just yolo away and fuck himself if he is scum. Still hasn't done anything, and while this is circumstantial the fact that no real support for an obvious lynch like this is indicative that there's not a bandwagon. Instead actually the two most logical people are the ones supporting this. Isn't that weird?
My main problem is that he said "ill read and make reads"
Then says "I won't do it don't have time", but continues to post stupid shit
Then votes GK, who was never in the main discussion for lynch, and whom also got replaced.
Kush is usually in the main thick of things as town (despite how good or bad his contributions are), which he isn't doing at all here
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On September 14 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 04:57 Pandain wrote:
Kush is the play it safe option, we won't really gain any more information on him as indicative of what he's posted. Has clearly indicated he's not going to read the thread(keeps posting currently without effort to read). Scum aren't going to kill him and we shouldn't waste a vig when we can use it for late-game scenarios.
SnB will result in town, if you guys lynch him than the only good thing that will happen is you will realize to listen to me for once. We can win this game if we play it safe and smart, rely around obtaining information and then good scum-hunting.
I advocate lynching Kush because town has to deal with him eventually and it'll result in a lynch anyway of him later on. Can you explain hoe kushmasta is "unreadable" or whatever you think? I think kushmasta has contributed way more to the game than SnB has.
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On September 14 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote:
Pandain
Oats plays solo as town. He never consolidates and picks his target. He ends up being the only one voting for a person a lot. I remember Titanic.
Kush you are seriously going to ask people to vote for you? Can I reveal who I think you are?
Please don't give scum extra info unless 1) you are certain the info you reveal will make him look town
2) He is the leading candidate
3) if 2 is not the scenario, but it's close and time is running short
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and 1 must be accompanied by 2/3
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On September 14 2013 05:02 Koshi wrote:
Hmm, with 4 scummers I would like to consolidate on a target.
Also Pandain you think there will be 3 flips in the night??? Wtf SK, Vigi and Scum?
Stop right now. That can be talked at night. LYnch candidates. Don't derail the thread
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On September 14 2013 05:03 Koshi wrote:
Yeah I know. But Kush is being a bit silly. And its 3 votes for people across the board.
Going to end bad...
Yeah mb didn't see the votes going off blubb
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On September 14 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote:On September 14 2013 04:58 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 14 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:On September 14 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote:
Also. I am certain that Kush is not scum.
Please remove votes from him. Pandain? Old Partner? He seems scum to me because contrary to what you guys say is his "dont' give a shit" style, he attempted to become townie, probably because he can't just yolo away and fuck himself if he is scum. Still hasn't done anything, and while this is circumstantial the fact that no real support for an obvious lynch like this is indicative that there's not a bandwagon. Instead actually the two most logical people are the ones supporting this. Isn't that weird? My main problem is that he said "ill read and make reads" Then says "I won't do it don't have time", but continues to post stupid shit Then votes GK, who was never in the main discussion for lynch, and whom also got replaced. Kush is usually in the main thick of things as town (despite how good or bad his contributions are), which he isn't doing at all here He also seems, as evidenced by his post two above, that he honestly doesn't care(doesn't make sense if he's town), or he's trying to seem like he doesn't care and thus justify an anti-town playstyle (makes sense if scum, not if town). The problem is that's exactly what he does as town.. It does not make him scum. I t would make me or you scum, but not him. If you are right about SnB being town and won't settle onto anything but kush/blubb we are most likely going to lynch town because kush has like 1% chance of flipping scum and blubb is ~5%.
It is not exactly what he does as town. I've played with kush multiple times and seen his games multiple times
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Btw I am willing to vote kush as long as it's for certain SnB will not be lynched
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On September 14 2013 05:08 kushm4sta wrote:
@panda wtf
I have read the thread. Sometimes I do not, but I have read every post of this thread. Most of it has been translated to blah blah blah but I read the shit! It's just to formulate reads for me, that takes time beyond reading. No, I'm not ever going to get to give this game a good close read. How I will progress in the future with my reads is I will be mainly looking at filters of people who I think are suspicious, and possibly read a block of like 10 pages around a vote.
So you read the game, but fucking refuse to give us any reads or any thoughts on the main happenings on the thread? This is bullshit
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SnB
Where are you? Will you vote kush so I can safely transfer my vote to kush?
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On September 14 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
So I've still technically never played with a useful kush. He played well in Persona after I was lynched.
I'm leaning towards policy lynching him now. Yes he has the potential to be useful but I hate when people troll on purpose and expect to get away with it.
We all have potential to be useful. Everyone has hot streaks. And that was one game from kush.
Not to mention the things I've pointed out in difference from kush's town meta, which kush has NEVER REJECTED
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On September 14 2013 05:11 strongandbig wrote:
can people tell me why they think rayn is town? All i've seen so far is because "he's being aggressive" but do you really think he's not capable of that as scum?
I'm starting to get there on a scum read on him, but it's not certain. If he is town, I want him because, hell, hapa apparently really respects his play so he might be some good. Kush/Blubb (mainly kush) have a much better chance of flipping
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On September 14 2013 05:13 kushm4sta wrote:
oh sorry DEBEARS can you say what you want me to reject? i will respond to any question
You said you've read the thread. I've put multiple posts. No way you missed them
So you are lying that you read, or you are scum acting like you have no idea what I'm talking about
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k i voted kush now that SnB is safe
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On September 14 2013 05:16 Koshi wrote:
Yeah I am going to vote on blubbers.
So what's your read on me?
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On September 14 2013 05:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 05:19 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 14 2013 05:16 Koshi wrote:
Yeah I am going to vote on blubbers. So what's your read on me? You are not getting lynched it seems. But I know you went in discussion about blubb with VA pretty early in the game. We will see after flips.
what is your read on me right now. stop avoiding the question
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answer my question koshi
it should be simple to answer
town
scum
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