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On September 13 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair.
5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead?
5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?).
6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense! On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those? Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread.I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense. On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question? Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question... Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's. Whatever happened to all this: "I think SnB is town" stuff "vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect? Because my read on SnB changed after his horrible hit-and-run entrance an hour ago. I just explained it to Koshi.
So you spent all that time defending VA and SnB, yet you suddenly lose all of it for one post?
That doesn't make any sense at all
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On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:
1) Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious.
2) My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said.
I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum.
1) I'm not sure on how accurate that statement is, seeing as I haven't played in a game with scum you raynp. But it's pretty accurate of your town meta
2) So this is what changed your read? 2 lines about, "hey it looks like scum raynp based off this meta read I have and this interaction". The fact that he is mentioning an interaction is kinda encouraging seeing that it means he's trying to make sense of the thread (possible to fake).
also, you are forgetting the part where he goes and says "i want to vote panduin" right after this post. You weren't his top scumread, so no reason to be like "omg this raynp so scum"
Considering that you are having fits about little things this game, some of this rings true by SnB.
Definitely not as scummy as you think
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On September 13 2013 07:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
what doesn't make sense is you harping on about WoS not being here when he was a replacement to begin with xD I don't think he's going to be that active this game tbh.
rayn changes his mind like crazy, get used to it. I'm sure he'll be screaming for my lynch at some point this game too.
He never said he couldn't post before friday.
When did he say "I can't post before friday"
On September 12 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:As I didn't get to say this in pregame chat (as I didn't know I'd be playing until the silent pregame period) I would like to make this perfectly clear. There is a period of time in this game where I will not be around a computer---I was told I won't get modkilled for this---what you guys choose to do about it when the time comes is another story, but I am giving you fair warning. I will not have computer access from Friday pre-deadline until Saturday evening post-deadline. This will be the entirety of Night 1 I believe. Make of it what you will. + Show Spoiler +I'm also real sad I'm replacing DP---if anything I wanted to play with him.  Going to do some stuff and watch Masterchef finale. Will return to hunt scum later.
He never mentioned it pregame. Didn't mention it here.
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On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum.
1) It's insight on you. Close enough.
2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta.
Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum.
3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate
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On September 13 2013 07:52 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:47 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 07:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
what doesn't make sense is you harping on about WoS not being here when he was a replacement to begin with xD I don't think he's going to be that active this game tbh.
rayn changes his mind like crazy, get used to it. I'm sure he'll be screaming for my lynch at some point this game too. He never said he couldn't post before friday. When did he say "I can't post before friday" On September 12 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:As I didn't get to say this in pregame chat (as I didn't know I'd be playing until the silent pregame period) I would like to make this perfectly clear. There is a period of time in this game where I will not be around a computer---I was told I won't get modkilled for this---what you guys choose to do about it when the time comes is another story, but I am giving you fair warning. I will not have computer access from Friday pre-deadline until Saturday evening post-deadline. This will be the entirety of Night 1 I believe. Make of it what you will. + Show Spoiler +I'm also real sad I'm replacing DP---if anything I wanted to play with him. Going to do some stuff and watch Masterchef finale. Will return to hunt scum later. He never mentioned it pregame. Didn't mention it here. I just don't see the point on bringing this up repeatedly. We get the point, he isn't posting. Plenty of other people aren't either.
We are arguing like idiots again..........
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On September 13 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:57 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. 1) It's insight on you. Close enough. 2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta. Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum. 3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something? Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT?
I'm done arguing with you. You have hit my ignore list for this game.
If you can't see why a meta read is important to bring up when you are a subject of discussion (and you think ppl are trying to lynch you), then it is hopeless to beat it out of you, especially when it's an accurate meta read according to you.
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On September 13 2013 08:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
No I feel this is important. If you are town you should drop it because it looks like you are trying to pile dirt onto WoS that isn't there. if not posting was a crime, scum would already have majority in this game LOL
I am not gonna drop this. I want him to post
Why do you not care if he posts? Like seriously, if he is town, as you say, would it not be 100000x better if he posts?
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On September 13 2013 11:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I was digging through GK's filter and I just noticed he requested a ban.
Need a replacement/modkill for GK
huh? where do you see this?
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On September 13 2013 11:19 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 09:48 Old Partner wrote:
we should lync kush, he will never be readable.
It is just not true about me never being readable. No one who plays with me a lot thinks that. Yes my content so far has not been particularly alignment indicative. But that is because I was busy and didn't have time to come up with anything worthwhile. In the next 8 hours at some point I will closely read the thread, decide who I want to lynch, and write why. That is a promise you can hold me to. So all policy votes on me, (which im pretty sure is all of them) should come off right now. Because I AM PROMISING to do shit tonight and if I don't you can auto lynch me.
Still waiting Kush.
On September 13 2013 18:39 kushm4sta wrote:
close read aborted at pg 10 because im tired and i have shit to do
And this ain't gonna cut it. That's 40 min from the 8 hour mark you said.
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Actually you know what screw it. I'm gonna type up my post on kush's main tell now.
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I'm debating. I'm actually not going to make a huge meta post like I thought I would, because the activity difference just doesn't tell the story.
1) His activity isn't fitting of the games that I've played with him (scum or town), but he just isn't emotionally involved in this game.
Usually, in his town games, he actively discusses main lynch targets (even if they aren't necessarily the ones he wants to lynch). But, his lack of doing that could be from lack of time.
But, with lack of time, that brings up this question
On September 07 2013 15:38 kushm4sta wrote:
does aperture ever end
Why does he ask questions like this pregame, then suddenly decide not to play and not read the thread? This question infers that he is excited to play the game, and doesn't want to wait. Then, we get this kush.
On September 13 2013 18:39 kushm4sta wrote:
close read aborted at pg 10 because im tired and i have shit to do
2) While he said he would do a close read within 8 hours, he didn't. Meanwhile he kept posting in thread instead of reading.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19732542
Look at the string of posts from him following this one in his filter. He is supposed to be reading and making reads, yet he doesn't do that (only gets to page 10), then keeps posting in thread. There's a disconnect.
He promises to read thread ---> doesn't -----> posts in thread for quite a bit of his filter
So, he's too busy to read the game, but has time to actually post when he promised he'd read and make reads? That doesn't make sense. It's scum oriented.
3) His stance on GK is odd. It directly contradicts a post he made a little before it
first post
On September 13 2013 13:20 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 12:57 kushm4sta wrote:On September 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
did you or did you not read the whole thread so far wos? Mabes. If you haven't even read the thread, how can you be so sure about your terribad grack read? Answer that question yourself, Kush. What are the possible answers to that question? Not sure honestly. Because I am also in the position of never having read the thread, but in that case I always just want to sheep someone instead of being the only one voting for an unpopular, unfounded, lynch.
second post
On September 13 2013 16:19 kushm4sta wrote:
on pg 10 of reread. so far i really want to lynch goodkarma for his useless nitpicking posts. I could also lynch Wos.
On September 13 2013 16:45 kushm4sta wrote:
##vote gk
So, basically he says, "I'm not reading so I'm going to sheep a case by an active player. Then, he goes and votes for GK, despite no main player saying GK is scum. Doesn't make sense.
Also, in line with how kush plays as town, he usually comments on the main lynch candidates, which he does not do here. On top of that, he wants to lynch a player no one has talked much about being scummy. On top of that, that player has been replaced by a replacement who has shown he has started reading the thread (almost as much as kush at this point). That's scum motivated
Furthermore, kush can figure out games, but he usually does it in unique ways (look at Acne Mini Mafia where he focuses on the flavor to try to solve the game). He hasn't shown that this game in any way. At all.
At this point, the only justifiable reason you could not want to lynch kush is "he's too scummy to be scum". That might be a different story if he was showing involvement in the game. But, he hasn't. He should be lynched because he's scummy and he's not involved in par with his town games.
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On September 13 2013 21:24 Koshi wrote:
Maybe.
Kush should crank up his activity.
Still don't want to lynch him. I think I can read him if he posts more.
Idk where you get that he is gonna post more.
he said specifically he would read and make reads within 8 hours and if not we can lynch him. He didnt.
why is he suddenly going to pick up activity when he he promised to o and didnt deliver that promise?
This SnB wagon is suspicious as fuck, especially from raynp, who said snb was town up until one post. One post that was relevant to thread discussion at the time and accurately described raynps meta according to raynp.
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On September 13 2013 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Papa smurf got a red hat. Maybe also a red role?
[dramatic] dum dum dum [/dramatic]
lol i just understood this joke now
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On September 13 2013 23:30 blubbdavid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 23:14 Koshi wrote:
bubbles = blubb
Meh, I think I want to lynch blubb or SnB. Feel free to lynch SnB, that way you will get more info. I won't support it, but also don't want to defend him.
Aren't you supposed to be summoning people to your zealos lynch with well thought analysis instead of randomly commenting on the SnB lynch that you don't care about it?
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ebwop
you are getting close to kill it with fire status
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##vote blubb
My above post shows some pretty dang scummy thought process.he literally doesnt care about someone else getting oynched over his scum read in zealos
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I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats
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On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 01:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats What 4th wagon? Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP. Why arent you voting for OP? Second read is Blubb.
Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand
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On September 14 2013 01:57 Koshi wrote:
PS: because VA has a good % on initial reads.
But my own reads say SnB better than blubbers.
Nobody is saving this blubbers guy or at least try to defend him. Or something.
This is terrible reasoning. If blubb was scum, scum wouldnt hard defend him, they would try to convince town someome rlse is scummier. Mafia 101 plz
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Pandain. Look at my post on blubv right before I vote him. Then looka at his reaction and case on zealos
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