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On September 13 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:28 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm leaning scum tbh. Even though I hate rayn's claims with a passion its probably not unreasonable to say that they cause some amount of uncertainty to the scummers who would probably not mind doing without.
Although rayns reads this game are even worse than most of his other games (apparently thats even possible) so there is that. <3 Who's found scum in last couple of games and who's not? *Ego* As I recall I found 2 scum in desert, one of them got derailed by you and your fucking mason claim with oats. Then, in aperature, I caught a scum without reading. You didn't catch any. Game and match I was talking to Sno, but still: Your Sylencia wagon on D1 (which i agreed with) was derailed by Oats wagon, who i saved in the end. Anyways this is pointless.
My point is simple
Stop waving your dick around in people's faces like you are better than them.
Your play was unacceptable in Desert. Your play in aperature was terrible. You aren't as good as you fucking think.
Get over yourself. Relearn how to play. Starting with your playstyle. Post less and think more. Maybe then you will actually be good
*note to everyone* - this is me just bitching at him because I've had to deal with this for two games straight. He needs to be put in his place by somebody, regardless of his alignment this game
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On September 13 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can someone tell me why blubbers is scum? He retracted from his bad argument when pointed out he's wrong.
so scum can't do that?
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On September 13 2013 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:36 Koshi wrote:On September 13 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can someone tell me why blubbers is scum? He retracted from his bad argument when pointed out he's wrong. I am waiting on his first good argument. yeah me too.
yet you asked why is blubbers scum?
and I will talk to you in postgame about your play in desert and here thus far
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which one specifically? just quote it
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snow you never answered this
On September 13 2013 02:55 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 02:07 Sn0_Man wrote:On September 13 2013 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno why do you think debears is scum? *STARSENSES* On September 12 2013 12:12 Papa_Smurf wrote:I'm going to win the worst mafia play of the year award now  also scumslip or something On September 12 2013 15:59 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 15:44 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 15:14 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 14:49 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 14:47 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I disagree with the SnB being town read just because he saw my smurf signed up as coach. If you call him town, call him town by his in game play
Like, as a player in the forum, its not like he was researching me and that's how he found me signed up as coach, it was a completely different circumstance.
And to say "oh you must be smurf because of that", when my name is papa smurf is no new knowledge Do you think that Pandain is scum? No. You didnt read his post to see what he actually said (you misinterpreted it) What did I misinterpret? You have a reason to believe he is town? Eh a closer look at that post has some out of place things READ THIS WHOLE QUOTE CHAIN PLEASE. He's excusing pandain pretty hard then a soft-backoff Basically, its mega weak association garbage that I threw together to make a scumteam that then failed because there are 4 not 3 scum. He's not on my lynch list today, but he's scummier than null. BD and to a lesser extend panda tho... sn0 I would like an answer for you on htis Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 15:14 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 14:49 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 14:47 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I disagree with the SnB being town read just because he saw my smurf signed up as coach. If you call him town, call him town by his in game play
Like, as a player in the forum, its not like he was researching me and that's how he found me signed up as coach, it was a completely different circumstance.
And to say "oh you must be smurf because of that", when my name is papa smurf is no new knowledge Do you think that Pandain is scum? No. You didnt read his post to see what he actually said (you misinterpreted it) Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 15:59 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 15:44 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 15:14 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 14:49 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 14:47 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I disagree with the SnB being town read just because he saw my smurf signed up as coach. If you call him town, call him town by his in game play
Like, as a player in the forum, its not like he was researching me and that's how he found me signed up as coach, it was a completely different circumstance.
And to say "oh you must be smurf because of that", when my name is papa smurf is no new knowledge Do you think that Pandain is scum? No. You didnt read his post to see what he actually said (you misinterpreted it) What did I misinterpret? You have a reason to believe he is town? Eh a closer look at that post has some out of place things How do these quotes not infer that I reread panduins post and then posted the questions I had about it?
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On September 13 2013 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can't see this game ending well for us at this rate, time to stop worrying about other games and play the game please.
There's 4 or 5 players that haven't done shit yet, you guys aren't lynching each other so just stop.
i never said i wanted to lynch raynp. Blubb and kush are the main candidates for me.
Onegu should be vigged. If not let's see what he comes up with if his internet is actually down.
WoS is starting to worry me.
He said he'd be gone all friday and saturday, yet he hasn't posted anything or show any urgency this game to get in substantive posts. Instead, he went to watch masterchef all night apparently. Also, his post is questionable. He's on my scumdar also.
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On September 13 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 03:01 Papa_Smurf wrote:
One more thing. Vayne and I seem to be thinking along the same paths. That's a good sign. Grack has constantly been along my line of thinking. good sign.
As of now, I will be down for a blubb lynch and kush lynch. I remember you as a guy who is not hopping on easy lynches. You are a guy who gives reasoning for his reads and acts based on it. You have a valid point on kush (in your other post), however discussing it is useless. Why is blubb scum? Can you comment on my case on Old Partner? + 2 questions. 1) Why are you shitting up the thread for no reason? 2) What's wrong with my play in this gmae? Does it make me scum? How?
I'm not answering the second two questions. Read my posts on you and infer what my read on you is and why I posted what I did the way I did. Otherwise, I'll starting calling you names again because you aren't reading.
What's wrong with an "easy" lynch when the lynch candidate is doing stuff that is inherently scummy?
Vayne and friends have posted enough reasoning to lynch him, and I agree with them.
If you want, I can make a giant post about what I think about blubb and why he be scum city if you want (it'll be repeating most of what they said)
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On September 13 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain.
start reading please
On September 12 2013 15:58 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles.
Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them.
VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time.
GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction)
I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move.
Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread.
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says.
I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though.
Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen.
I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. The two bolded parts don't seem to come from a town mindset. 1) (As I said in an earlier post), SnB's finding me signing up as a coach for newbies isn't "research". He probably saw the post in the forum with my name as the latest post and looked at it for a second. It's something that either alignment would do, seeing as knowing who the smurf is can help mafia consider nks more easily. 2) The wording you use on kush seems to infer you think he is town "posting like shit" - that is not the same as "posting like scum". Posting like shit would infer that you think he is town and he should post better "he'll be useless to the thread basically" - you say uselessness as though he is town. "he has ignored OP's (my plea actually) plea to stop spamming" - kush hasn't really been spamming. And you act as though he wouldn't ignore OP's plea anyways. If you thought he was town, that would be a reasonable assumption that he should listen to non spam pleas. But, if he's mafia, he doesn't have motive to listen to such pleas other than to avoid being lynched. I find it odd that none of your words come close to calling kush scum, yet you would lynch him purely for posting like shit, uselessness, and ignoring a plea to not spam. Not scumminess. 3) you have a major contradiction here in these two parts of your post Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos.You say zealos seems town, then say he should be considered highly suspicious. I wouldn't think town would get that mixed up in their reads in one post
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On September 13 2013 04:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would disagree on WoS, his opening post was solid and real life should never be taken into account when forming scum reads. If you really want to look into it though, he's usually town when he gives these excuses since he probably gets really paranoid or whatever that people will think he's scum.
I can't read onegu for shit, so I honestly couldn't care less if he's vigged or whatever. He looks really scummy to me as both alignments in every game so no comment there.
Blubb's response to my case was satisfactory so doubt ill be leaving my vote there by the end of this cycle, but he needs to do a lot more then just that.
But what I'm saying is, Vayne, is that he said "I won't be here Friday and Saturday". Then, goes and lurks first half of d1.
There's a disconnect there from a town perspective.
If I recall correctly, he was one of the more active posters d1 of aperature no?
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On September 13 2013 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 04:04 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain. start reading please On September 12 2013 15:58 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles.
Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them.
VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time.
GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction)
I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move.
Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread.
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says.
I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though.
Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen.
I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. The two bolded parts don't seem to come from a town mindset. 1) (As I said in an earlier post), SnB's finding me signing up as a coach for newbies isn't "research". He probably saw the post in the forum with my name as the latest post and looked at it for a second. It's something that either alignment would do, seeing as knowing who the smurf is can help mafia consider nks more easily. 2) The wording you use on kush seems to infer you think he is town "posting like shit" - that is not the same as "posting like scum". Posting like shit would infer that you think he is town and he should post better "he'll be useless to the thread basically" - you say uselessness as though he is town. "he has ignored OP's (my plea actually) plea to stop spamming" - kush hasn't really been spamming. And you act as though he wouldn't ignore OP's plea anyways. If you thought he was town, that would be a reasonable assumption that he should listen to non spam pleas. But, if he's mafia, he doesn't have motive to listen to such pleas other than to avoid being lynched. I find it odd that none of your words come close to calling kush scum, yet you would lynch him purely for posting like shit, uselessness, and ignoring a plea to not spam. Not scumminess. 3) you have a major contradiction here in these two parts of your post Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos.You say zealos seems town, then say he should be considered highly suspicious. I wouldn't think town would get that mixed up in their reads in one post Right. Does this make him scum? My argument throughout the day has been that OP has been bringing up the exact same invalid points - besides this NOTHING MORE! How is Pandain more suspicious than OP?
1)Remember how OO wanted to lynch me for being useless, then voted me.
Pandain did the same thing with kush.
2) Then he called someone town and suspicious in the same post. That's definitely awkward if he is town.
3) And his reasoning for his townread on SnB is totally off.
so
1) is scummy
2) is weird as hell for a town to say
3) is bad logic
See what I'm gettin at?
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On August 31 2013 11:19 debears wrote:
I'm gonna guess most people have a town read on clarity and wave of shadow. Possibly BH too. Just based on filter size
VE Koshi and Slam doing decently as well
Vayne this post is when i first replaced d1 of aperature
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On September 13 2013 04:19 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 04:14 Papa_Smurf wrote:On August 31 2013 11:19 debears wrote:
I'm gonna guess most people have a town read on clarity and wave of shadow. Possibly BH too. Just based on filter size
VE Koshi and Slam doing decently as well Vayne this post is when i first replaced d1 of aperature if you read it, it was mostly a bunch of garbage and he turned out to be 3rd party I am just going to have to once again disagree at this point. WoS is a bit hard to read though so no way am I giving him a free pass like SnB. my day one lynch candidates at this point are blubbdavid (less after his response), grackaroni (still think that post that me and WoS picked up on is super sketchy), and one of rayn/koshi, cant decide who is town of them yet but one is scum for sure. vig targets - onegu, zealos, etc all the people that refuse to do anything.
ohhh i htought he was town in aperature. Eh. I guess I'll just lay off it for now
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I like Pandain in the membranes responses in the second post. He is cleared for now
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On September 13 2013 04:59 Sn0_Man wrote:
Lets lynch vayn/rayn/pandain + 1 (the rhyming team!). Probably in reverse order (+1!)
blubbers looks awful but
a) everybody who I think is scum wants to lynch him and
b) maybe lynchbait?
Well, upon reread he looks really really bad. Ugh.
Sno do u just want anyone lyncheD?
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Sn0
why do you want to lynch vayne/raynp/pandain, all of whom are contributing well (ie looking town) over lurkers who look scummy?
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On September 13 2013 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHAT IS GOOD? WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING "THIS GUY IS SAYING GOOD THINGS"? WHTA'S GOOD, TELL ME?
If you really are making a big deal about literal meaning, you are either scum or not reading as town.
If you are town, just chill out and readdddddddddddddd
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On September 13 2013 06:33 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand why Pandain suddenly thought that. Who told him? Was it in this thread? Did he answer already when we asked before?
I do agree with this point. Zealos has neither confirmed or denied thats his real name or if he's claiming. I think people are jumping to conclusions. Let's wait to hear from Zealos more before we all start saying he claimed.
A few notes:
1) I do agree SnB's fall off in terms of posting is a little alarming. I'm not worried about it right now. As of now, kush, blubb, WoS, zealos, onegu and any other lurker should be our main concernin that order. That's 5 lurkers alone rght there. That's 1/3 of the game. We can't really expect to win with that many if they are town (and I don't think they are).
2) @Raynp - if you want people to answer your posts, stop making so many. I don't even read half your posts (espeiclaly in our last 2 games) because your posting is all over the place
Also, get rid of your hard on for OP. He has contributed more than 1/3 of the players, and nothing jumps out as super scummy. Focus on people that should actually be lynched
3) WoS - Still mia. He's not gonna be here for two days. Why is he not posting when he knows he won't be here for two days. This is unacceptable if he is town
4) @Sn0 - If you look at my post that questioned Panduins, and then Panduins second post, you will see that alot of the questions I had were fully answered by Panduins explanation of his thought process. It's logical and it checks out.
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On September 13 2013 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears, i have a question for you:
Is SnB's post right or wrong?
You are talking about the post where he gives a kinda meta read on you?
If so, the answer is who knows. It's hard as hell to actually read you because you walk the line of bad town and scum. I've thought you were scum in both games I've played with you and you were town.
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Hold on a sec
Raynp- you have a town read on VA correct?
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On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair.
5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead?
5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?).
6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense!
On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those? Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread.I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense.
On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question? Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). Show nested quote +I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question... Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's.
Whatever happened to all this:
"I think SnB is town" stuff
"vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff
If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect?
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