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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 15:23 GMT
#2260
Pandain do you still think kushm4sta is scum?
What do you think about his case on debears and about what i just said about it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 15:28 GMT
#2262
Oats, explain?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 15:36 GMT
#2264
Seriously Oats, wtf are you doing this game? You are just trolling around not trying to even look like anything..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 15:38 GMT
#2266
Yeah me too. After we get them you will explain your scumread on me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 15:45 GMT
#2271
On September 17 2013 00:41 Pandain wrote:
Both of you guys are town.
This is what I got out of this


You mean me and Oats?
Could you answer the kush -- debears thing?
I don't see a reason why you wouldn't as town effectively shut down a bad case on you. In case kushmasta is town he is looking into a wrong place in debears' mind. Why not make him look into other places? If kush is scum it would strengthen the case on him (as some people think kush is scum). Bad cases don't necessarily mean the maker of them is scum, but it certainly doesn't help the town that there are bad cases around.

Right now it seems like debears can't shut down the case. I don't see a reason why a townie would not want to shut down a bad case on them in the first place. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 15:46 GMT
#2272
EBWOP: Got cut.
Okay i go read Mario mini and kush's filter again.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#2278
On September 17 2013 01:04 kushm4sta wrote:
My case was amazing and right. Completely different attitude as scum.
Show me debears insulting someone as town.

My reads right now are panda grack debears.
It's just I have not written a case on the other two.

kush, i just read the games you quoted. I don't see your point tbh.
Can you tell us how exactly his attitude is different?

He actually "insults" (i would not call that as an insult) Hapahauli in his town game a same manner he "insults" other people in his scum game. Both are different from this game imo. Both are similar to Desert and Aperture. You can't just take one quote where he shouts and look at it. When i read the posts in context and read the thread +/- 1 page from that it doesn't look like your case holds water.

If you think debears is scum based on that you need to explain better what you mean. Based on your case and what i just read i don't think you are right.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 16:17 GMT
#2279
On September 17 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
You know, this is the first time Rayn is concerned with someone making a bad case. Ive never seen it before.

This is not true. I always shoot down bad cases on my townreads. Even on my scumreads, but if someone makes a case on my scumread that i think is bad i usually let them answer first.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 16:23 GMT
#2281
On September 17 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
You know, this is the first time Rayn is concerned with someone making a bad case. Ive never seen it before.

This is not true. I always shoot down bad cases on my townreads. Even on my scumreads, but if someone makes a case on my scumread that i think is bad i usually let them answer first.

You call this shooting down a case??
You have been 'musing' over it for like 2 pages already.

It's because i have been trying to figure out wtf is with that case from both sides of the argument..

On September 17 2013 01:06 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
You know, this is the first time Rayn is concerned with someone making a bad case. Ive never seen it before.


he might be actually learning how to play. That's my theory, anyhow

My D1 play somehow always ends up being a clusterfuck whether or not i am right on my top scumread. It always happens, people (scum or town) find some reason to not lynch someone i want to and some fucking lurker is gonna get lynched and they always turn up town. I dunno, i just can't help it.. :/
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 16:26 GMT
#2285
On September 17 2013 01:24 Old Partner wrote:
OK guys I was lying about being Survivor I'm actually the cop with a red check on Pandain huehuehuehue

You are teasing me.... Don't do this.. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 16:46 GMT
#2294
debears i have a tip for you.

When you play with me you will always find my play the same like it was here in D1. I nitpick on something i find important because there is nothing else to go with. At some point i usually am unable to see what's important and what's not. That's the point where i need some level headed guy totell me where i am going wrong and what should i look for. Usually it's someone like marv/Hapa/Palmar. In this game i think it would be you or Pandain. Look at the difference how you/Pandain called my case on SnB off. Pandain remained calm when i was trying to sell the case to him (i always do that because i am usually tunneled :/ ). You however didn't, you called me retarded and bad and refused to talk to me. I mean, in some level you are right, because i am an arrogant asshole on D1, i always am and i dunno how i can help it.

However, i am not bad at this shit. After D1 (and especially after N1) i take a complete re-look on the whole game. I look at who did what on D1. Who voted where and why. Who didn't give a fuck about things. When did certain things happen and why. I am far better player D2 -> than D1. For example in Desert i was pretty sure on D2 end that marv is scum because he should have been the one who would keep me "calm" on D1 when i tunneled Thrawn. When Thrawn proved his towniness on N2 i was 100% sure marv is scum. I am capable of finding mafia.

So please, if you are town, in this game (and future games), don't try to shut me down in case i go into stupid tunnel mode. I can be convinced with reasonable arguments. It might take time but it's possible. It's also beneficial because i am town and i am perfectly capable of finding mafia if someone (or me myself) push me into right direction or/and shuts down my bad arguments.

I also ask very weird questions sometime. Please people (if you are town), even if you think my questions are stupid, answer them, because i know what i am doing and it helps me figure out your alignment. I do very strange stuff. For example, in Bluelightz game i asked geript what he does think about his hydra partner's posts and if he thinks his hydra partner is scum. The answer he gave me was 100% town. That's how i roll. If you don't understand my questions, you can ask me afterwards about them. I am willingto explain what i was/am after.

Thanks for listening.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 16:51 GMT
#2298
On September 17 2013 01:34 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 01:04 kushm4sta wrote:
My case was amazing and right. Completely different attitude as scum.
Show me debears insulting someone as town.
My reads right now are panda grack debears.
It's just I have not written a case on the other two.


This is scum kush right here. "My case is so right". Then picking 2 of the towniest players in the thread, and one that is considered town by about half the thread as the scumteam. Yeah right.

Kush, there's a reason why no one has ever made a meta case on me. Because I play the same as either alignment. The fact that are building your case around your read and not your read around your case is scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 15 2013 22:59 kushm4sta wrote:
1) also his cases this game have been overly simplistic and directed towards very easy targets.
His scumread list atm is

OP - claimed survivor
Me - afker everyone wants to kill with fire
Zealos - classic lynch bait

It's like he's going for the most obvious shit and not even trying to find scum.

2) In terms of meta, town debears is levelheaded and logical. Scum debears is much louder and more emotional. Recall his bitchfit with rayne for no reason.

Another thing that scum debears loves to do is yell at people about how to play the game.
This is scumdebears from NMXXIX:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 00:49 debears wrote:
On October 26 2012 00:46 sylverfyre wrote:
On October 26 2012 00:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 26 2012 00:35 sylverfyre wrote:
On October 26 2012 00:24 Djodref wrote:
@sylver

I don't care about who hasn't posted right now. I want to know what info you were expecting to get by asking your question.

I was making that list because I wasn't even sure myself who/how many people hadn't spoken up.

I was trying to stir something up and you can also consider it a kind of "roleclaim-lite" (I hardly expect anyone to claim they enjoy playing scum when I ask ingame, but i think it could have been interesting to see if some people said they like a particular pro-town power-role.)

So, you admit you were rolefishing?

Yes, I am trying to get people to talk about roles without doing something as ridiculous as asking for a D1 mass claim. Also I am trying to get to know the other players in general.


No,
No.
No.
No.
No.

Talking about roles is stupid. It gives the mafia stuff to go on when looking for nk candidates. DON'T DO IT.


Here is this game (just one of the many times he has done something like this):
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 05:01 Papa_Smurf wrote:
On September 14 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote:
Pandain
Oats plays solo as town. He never consolidates and picks his target. He ends up being the only one voting for a person a lot. I remember Titanic.

Kush you are seriously going to ask people to vote for you? Can I reveal who I think you are?


Please don't give scum extra info unless 1) you are certain the info you reveal will make him look town
2) He is the leading candidate
3) if 2 is not the scenario, but it's close and time is running short



already have disproved 1) and 2a)


On September 16 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote:
3) As scum you tell people how to play like with general newbie tips for how to play mafia. In your example, you were explaining why someone's case was bad / your thought process. It was not a superficial tip like you do in your scumgames.

Here is another example:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 10:12 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Stop wifoming over posting a role pm

Do post analysis over actual play

This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game.

~~~~

4) Regarding your emotionality,
in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis.


5) You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical.
As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper.

Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 09:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:
So let me get this straight

Raynp wants me to explain my read on him right away
Raynp wants BH to post ever read he has right away
Raynp won't post actual analysis on kush's play
Raynp thought we should lynch oats (a replacement) over kush

Wow

Can
He
Be
This
Bad
As
Town


~~~~

You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still!

~~~~

6) Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town.


On September 16 2013 02:30 kushm4sta wrote:
7) @ps also please show me where you were a dick to someone in a town game. I think acting like a dick is a huge scumtell for you.


1) Already show how I have simplistic reads that are very successful (especially lately)

2) Funny thing is, if you look at desert postgame. I was bitching at raynp there after I stopped here. It's non alignment indicative. I even said don't consider it as part of my filter I'm pretty sure.

3) is definitely misconstrusing my contributions this game. 1st, there is/was no reason to wifom about the WoS nk. It should be pretty clear that scum would not shoot him. Scum's goal is to get rid of the towniest players. WoS was not a "towniest" player. Also, if things like these were my only contributions, then you'd have something. You are cherrypicking 1 quote and ignoring the cases in my filter.

5) Repeating the points in 2

4 and 6) These points are both bullshit, and totally misrepresent my meta, because you should have read Mario mini's day 1 if you want to know my meta when I'm like this. I freak out over stupidity and bad cases on me. Yours is that. I did in in MM, and I'm doing it here, because I think you aren't that fucking bad as town to come up with such a horrible misrepresentative case.

7) Now he comes up with "oh debears is a dick as scum" after I purge his "emotional" tell. And you know what? He hasn't shown any quotes from my scum game of me being a pure dick. I'd love to see that.


Kush claimed to have read my games, yet his failure to recognize the similar circumstances between this game and mario mini (day 1) are amazingly unacceptable. That means he didn't read my games. He skimmed and cherrypicked.

You know, the bolded part is the reason why i found out SnB's post so scummy in the first place. Because that applies to me too. But SnB didn't even have a conclusion and he has for some reason gone with the same mindset after that the whole game. I still can't see what he was trying to add to the discussion with that post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 16:51 GMT
#2300
On September 17 2013 01:49 Old Partner wrote:
You know Rayn after this game I officially cede title of "most full of self" to you

beagh i can't even insult or spam well

my heart isn't in it any more

haha. <3
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 16:54 GMT
#2304
On September 17 2013 01:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't think rayn's ego will ever recover after this game. I hope all the scum are the lurkers so we can laugh at him again like desert

Can you elaborate on this because in that game i was the only one who could succesfully push a lynch on mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 16:59 GMT
#2313
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 17:05 GMT
#2318
Vayne instead of calling people names and arguing about how good or bad they are could you tell us who you think is mafia so we can have a coherant discussion about yours/their alignment?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 17:07 GMT
#2320
So, first of all, what do you think of my read on Koshi? And do you still think Grack is scum based on what has happened since the last time you were here?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 17:10 GMT
#2322
Could you read my town case on Koshi and tell what do you think about it?
Also what do you make of Grack's claim? Why would he have done it as scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 17:17 GMT
#2329
On September 17 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So, first of all, what do you think of my read on Koshi? And do you still think Grack is scum based on what has happened since the last time you were here?


I think it's wrong and this game reminds me a lot more of him in sicilian than persona. You need to go back and read that. He used vivax as a puppet the whole game and got "fake angry" multiple times that game. it's so similar to this. Except in this game, he's using you as his puppet.

I have thought grack was scum for a while now, between what he did day 1 with the subtly asking for people's opinions and stuff before the game was really fleshed out. He wanted to know who he could push as mafia. Then you add in all this fake claiming stuff and it's stupid. doesn't help town at all. As I said earlier that fake fight between him and koshi looked extremely fake so that's the nail in the coffin for me.

don't know who's the 3rd if it's not you but I assume kush/umasi/zealos or something

But he was not scum in Sicilian. He scumhunted with Vivax first, when Vivax died he scumhunted with me. Every scum we found Koshi shot. I could have totally figured out he was the SK but layabout's check fucked that all up. Could you compare to GoT if you got something to compare because comparing this game to his SK game is not a good comparison, SK needs to find scum too. In my opinion it points more towards him being town here than scum.

I agree that the fake claim was stupid. But as scum, why do it? To save debears (who is not scum according to you)? To save BH? I can't find any other reason for him doing so as scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2013 17:18 GMT
#2330
On September 17 2013 02:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
actually pandain is kinda suspicious too if he's a good player. He had me as a solid townread then once a lot of people start suspecting me he does a complete 180 on me and says he is a "bit suspicious of me" with no reasoning.

what do you think of that rayn?

Pandain is null for me. As i said he has said some pretty townie shit, but some of his reads change in odd manner from D1 to N1.
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