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On September 25 2013 00:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
unless you are trying to figure out the game? and now I find myself in a place where it actually matters. If roleblocking does nothing to koshi then I can't be framed, but since he can it now looks like it is possible for me to be mafia based on the roleblock, and scum knew since then they know there is no SK this whole time.
and yes I don't see why 3 of the 4 main characters would be in the game and the 4th is randomly just a fakeclaim for scum. All the fakeclaims so far have just been random stuff ive barely heard of.
that is like the worst reasoning I've heard. How many fake claims have you seen? 2? and because those 2 were not one of the 4 main characters then Mia cannot possibly be a fake claim.
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On September 25 2013 00:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
idk dude, it's not only that. the heuristic also stays true since I was wrong about the framer. +doctor = +mafia power role it just wasn't a framer like I thought since the kills make no sense from a scum standpoint so I didnt even think of vig. from my POV shots were WOS/koshi then SNB/koshi and I was roleblocked because I faked being a vig earlier in the game apparently. didn't know if anyone actually looked at it but apparently they did.
Why do I get the impression that you don't give a shit about being lynched. that's not a normal townie response, especially when it would basically make you responsible for losing the game.
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On September 25 2013 00:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
haha if you think this game is on me you are insane, rayn didnt tunnel you this entire game. and you're right I dont care at this point. nothing is going to change his mind so I lost, you win grats
You have the game "solved", you've completely ruled out Rayn/Pandain from being scum and then rather than writing up why Oats and I are Mafia you just sulk in pity over how Rayn has voted you.
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Frankly I will blame you if you get mislynched and flip town because you aren't even trying.
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Rayn may be tunneled but I can't say that he isn't trying to solve the game.
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@Pandain: please elaborate on why if I was mafia it would more likely be on a team with oats and what has changed your mind.
@Rayn: Please explain why I am mafia over Oats.
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@Rayn: Also talk me through your thought process during the end of the day when Debears claimed Parity cop and the last second vote switch.
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I hate that nobody is talking. Everyone is acting as if Rayn/Pandain are confirmed town and I don't think that's the case. Rayn did hammer BH at the start of the game but there have been other things that point towards him being scum.
Pandain's just not been present in the game for a long time now.
Oats/Vayne very well could be the scum team and they certainly have been the most useless pair left but they could also be town. I feel like if Oats was scum he would be pushing for Rayn and trying to court my vote rather than bussing Vayne.
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I believe there can't be a SK because of the win condition BH kept talking about. It would be 2-2-1 which I think equals mafia victory in the win condition.
There was 2 deaths after BH was already dead so it's not a mafia KP decreases after they lose a member sort of deal so there is probably a mafia vigilante + Roleblocker (no framer)
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On September 25 2013 13:44 Pandain wrote:
Grack why haven't you voted yet?
Because I haven't decided which pair is scum and want to see more information. It's not instant majority. Doesn't really matter when I vote since nothing is permanent.
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You had a case on Oats I believe?
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It kind of makes me more comfortable voting for Vayne lol. Is there some specific reasoning besides gut reads that changed your mind?
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On September 25 2013 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 06:09 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn: Also talk me through your thought process during the end of the day when Debears claimed Parity cop and the last second vote switch. What are you talking about? I wanted to lynch Oats or Vayne. Idiots forced me to vote for kush.
How did they force you? You had the option between two people you considered confirmed town and for some reason had to take the one unconnected to you to save Pandain. Losing Pandain shouldn't have been such a big deal that you just sacrifice Kushm4sta and vote him over staying firm and aiming for scum.
Why did you jump on the sn0 Man wagon? The reasoning makes sense for me but it shouldn't have been such an easy decision for others. Sn0 Man easily could have been VT with me scum/SK
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On September 26 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 00:27 Grackaroni wrote:On September 25 2013 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 25 2013 06:09 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn: Also talk me through your thought process during the end of the day when Debears claimed Parity cop and the last second vote switch. What are you talking about? I wanted to lynch Oats or Vayne. Idiots forced me to vote for kush. How did they force you? You had the option between two people you considered confirmed town and for some reason had to take the one unconnected to you to save Pandain. Losing Pandain shouldn't have been such a big deal that you just sacrifice Kushm4sta and vote him over staying firm and aiming for scum. Why did you jump on the sn0 Man wagon? The reasoning makes sense for me but it shouldn't have been such an easy decision for others. Sn0 Man easily could have been VT with me scum/SK lol. For me Pandain was and is confirmed town because i do not buy the framer bullshit. As i said back then, should i have voted for confirmed town instead of unconfirmed town? I voted for Sno_man because i thought he had a bigger chance of flipping SK than you. Your vet fakeclaim and defence on debears made no sense from SK perspective because you would have no reason to stick your neck out and defend town!debears OR scum!debears. You are asking stupid questions. And that makes me think you are mafia. All the answers for those questions are in thread.
You didn't need to vote for Pandain over kush but you could have done more to push Vayne/Oats. It shouldn't be the worst thing in the world for you if you don't end up getting the votes on scum because a different confirmed town would have been lynched otherwise. If I were in your position as town and I knew kush + Pandain were town my vote would not be flung at him in order to save Pandain. If I were mafia however, I would have to vote kush because I would be exposed.
I believe you were thinking I could be mafia then, in which case it could have been Oats as SK as well with Sn0 Man as town.
I don't think my questions are stupid the answers are very important to me. Your responses to my medic questions were fishy as hell.
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On September 26 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:39 Grackaroni wrote:
It kind of makes me more comfortable voting for Vayne lol. Is there some specific reasoning besides gut reads that changed your mind? well Pandain pretty much didnt play after day 1. Rayn is being really fucking weird and I think Vayne might be town. So yeah.
What makes you think Vayne might be town?
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You left out all of the quotes of you pushing Kushm4sta and you voting for Kushm4sta. Does the same check really make that much of a difference when you already know kush is town. The only difference it makes is one flip tells the town your alignment and the other one does not.
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On September 26 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +I believe you were thinking I could be mafia then, in which case it could have been Oats as SK as well with Sn0 Man as town. No i thought Oats and Vayne scum and Sno SK. Show nested quote +I don't think my questions are stupid the answers are very important to me. Your responses to my medic questions were fishy as hell. What about the medic questions? It was the correct play assuming there was a SK.
your saving Oats over Koshi when you admitted that the correct medic choice should have been Koshi and then when asked about it later answering that you didn't heal Koshi because he is not a top scumhunter and that you healed Pandain because he is a top scum hunter, which doesn't even line up with your original claim. You chose Oats over Koshi not Pandain.
You exposed yourself to RB's as doctor and if you are mafia you know that the SK doesn't exist and everybody is jumping on you being SK so you confirm yourself by "blocking the SK's shot"
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you think I don't believe you aren't just as hopeless if you are town. Since when is asking questions scummy. If I'm not in here prodding discussion the thread is dead silent. If I was on a team with Vayne (or Oats for that matter) then he wouldn't have sheeped your reasoning on me being scum based on my vote because it was going to kill me if Pandain hadn't come in and stopped the wagon.
If you had any idea of my Meta at all you would see that I don't have the balls to argue back and forth with people in the manner that I've done this game as scum and I certainly wouldn't claim a role in order to flush out the non-existant SK or risk getting counter-claimed for no benefit.
I don't like being in LYLO. It's stressful that's why I try to get myself killed off. I am going to do everything I can to make sure that I am not endgamed for the second game in a row.
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And I don't even know why I'm trying right now because Vayne looks so freaking scummy and if he does happen to be town it doesnt matter anyways because he's never going to vote for the scum team.
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On September 26 2013 00:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 25 2013 23:39 Grackaroni wrote:
It kind of makes me more comfortable voting for Vayne lol. Is there some specific reasoning besides gut reads that changed your mind? well Pandain pretty much didnt play after day 1. Rayn is being really fucking weird and I think Vayne might be town. So yeah. What makes you think Vayne might be town?
Not sure if you are still here but I still want an answer to this before it gets buried.
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