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On September 19 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town". Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. ...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? you voting for OP wasn't a suspicious vote because you had already started the case on him earlier in your filter. Oats kind of pushed him earlier but not nearly enough to convince others to vote for him. The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP. And you bought that at face value given that: 1) You were suspicious of Pandain 2) Pandain was right there defending OP 3) At early on in the game when i voted for OP and gave my reasoning (which was in fact exactly what made people vote for him in the end) there were a lot of people arguing against OP being scum. Makes sense how? 1 and 2) Scum basically never come out like this and start hard defending a teammate this vocally. They think it will make them appear too scummy. 3) I don't remember anyone arguing that they thought Op wasn't scum except Koshi. Okay this is the chain of events in chronological order: You change your vote on OP and give a reasoning for it. Oats makes a case on OP and votes for him. Then me/Umasi/WoS vote for OP. You have a scumread on SnB and Pandain. SnB starts a wagon on Zealos. Pandain joins the Zealos wagon and says "there is no resistance to OP lynch". What do you do after that? You agree with you scumread on a wagon that's been pushed by your other scumread! for what, "because there is no resistance on the dude's lynch i think is scum, besides the other two dudes i think are scum". What do you need, do your town reads need to oppose a scumlynch for you to think the lynch is in fact on scum? Your voting behavior on D1 makes absolutely zero sense.
I even indicated earlier that Zealos was scummy and that I was going to consider switching on to him. Pandain's post and the easy flow of unexpected vote were enough to make me uncomfortable with the lynch and prompted me to switch. What doesn't make sense?
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If I had been there and had written out a well reasoned case on why OP was scum and pushed it to the thread or if you had done the same then I would have stayed, but I didn't expect him as scum to have been getting those votes without someone pushing for him hard.
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On September 19 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 00:27 Grackaroni wrote:On September 19 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town". Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. ...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? you voting for OP wasn't a suspicious vote because you had already started the case on him earlier in your filter. Oats kind of pushed him earlier but not nearly enough to convince others to vote for him. The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP. And you bought that at face value given that: 1) You were suspicious of Pandain 2) Pandain was right there defending OP 3) At early on in the game when i voted for OP and gave my reasoning (which was in fact exactly what made people vote for him in the end) there were a lot of people arguing against OP being scum. Makes sense how? 1 and 2) Scum basically never come out like this and start hard defending a teammate this vocally. They think it will make them appear too scummy. 3) I don't remember anyone arguing that they thought Op wasn't scum except Koshi. Okay this is the chain of events in chronological order: You change your vote on OP and give a reasoning for it. Oats makes a case on OP and votes for him. Then me/Umasi/WoS vote for OP. You have a scumread on SnB and Pandain. SnB starts a wagon on Zealos. Pandain joins the Zealos wagon and says "there is no resistance to OP lynch". What do you do after that? You agree with you scumread on a wagon that's been pushed by your other scumread! for what, "because there is no resistance on the dude's lynch i think is scum, besides the other two dudes i think are scum". What do you need, do your town reads need to oppose a scumlynch for you to think the lynch is in fact on scum? Your voting behavior on D1 makes absolutely zero sense. I even indicated earlier that Zealos was scummy and that I was going to consider switching on to him. Pandain's post and the easy flow of unexpected vote were enough to make me uncomfortable with the lynch and prompted me to switch. What doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that you have three scumreads. OP, Pandain, SnB. You switch from your scumread to another person who is pushed by both of your other scumreads, while the wagon you were on has zero scumreads of yours.. The reasoning is "noone is agruing against OP lynch". :p
ugh, It's so obvious that I wasn't suspicious of Pandain anymore because of the posts he was making when I switched on to Zealos. I'm pretty sure I even directly wrote that guy is town. i think even you agreed that Pandain was likely town from those posts pushing people off of the BH wagon.
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On September 19 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 00:40 Grackaroni wrote:On September 19 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 19 2013 00:27 Grackaroni wrote:On September 19 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:
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Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. ...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? you voting for OP wasn't a suspicious vote because you had already started the case on him earlier in your filter. Oats kind of pushed him earlier but not nearly enough to convince others to vote for him. The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP. And you bought that at face value given that: 1) You were suspicious of Pandain 2) Pandain was right there defending OP 3) At early on in the game when i voted for OP and gave my reasoning (which was in fact exactly what made people vote for him in the end) there were a lot of people arguing against OP being scum. Makes sense how? 1 and 2) Scum basically never come out like this and start hard defending a teammate this vocally. They think it will make them appear too scummy. 3) I don't remember anyone arguing that they thought Op wasn't scum except Koshi. Okay this is the chain of events in chronological order: You change your vote on OP and give a reasoning for it. Oats makes a case on OP and votes for him. Then me/Umasi/WoS vote for OP. You have a scumread on SnB and Pandain. SnB starts a wagon on Zealos. Pandain joins the Zealos wagon and says "there is no resistance to OP lynch". What do you do after that? You agree with you scumread on a wagon that's been pushed by your other scumread! for what, "because there is no resistance on the dude's lynch i think is scum, besides the other two dudes i think are scum". What do you need, do your town reads need to oppose a scumlynch for you to think the lynch is in fact on scum? Your voting behavior on D1 makes absolutely zero sense. I even indicated earlier that Zealos was scummy and that I was going to consider switching on to him. Pandain's post and the easy flow of unexpected vote were enough to make me uncomfortable with the lynch and prompted me to switch. What doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that you have three scumreads. OP, Pandain, SnB. You switch from your scumread to another person who is pushed by both of your other scumreads, while the wagon you were on has zero scumreads of yours.. The reasoning is "noone is agruing against OP lynch". :p ugh, It's so obvious that I wasn't suspicious of Pandain anymore because of the posts he was making when I switched on to Zealos. I'm pretty sure I even directly wrote that guy is town. i think even you agreed that Pandain was likely town from those posts pushing people off of the BH wagon. lol no, i thought he was town because of how he argued with me on SnB. I think he looks terribad from his voteswitch and his reads change on N1. You say you were not suspicious of Pandain any more. I asked your reasoning. You pointed out the post where he pushed out people from voting for OP. I dunno how you can drop your scumread on him based on him defending BH. Your scumread is defending your scumread, he gets a town read from you based on that. What gives?
Yes Pandain's posts during the time of the lynch changed my read on him.
On September 14 2013 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah Pandain is either town or really good scum. I don't trust his read on kush / OP however.
SnB how am i OMGUSing?
You even posted something in response to me saying that which was agreeing with me. This implies that you as well thought Pandain was more likely town from those posts...
You are like blatantly leaving out the fact that I was suspicious of Zealos, it's ridiculous.
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On September 19 2013 00:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
all of what I just posted, relies on grack being scum so that is why we lynch him first.
that has got to be the worst case I have ever seen and it is seriously making me doubt my read on you. I'm the most scummy player in the thread because: "sheep WoS reasoning" "he was suspicious of Panda's post". What is up with Vayne this game, does he always play like this?
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On September 19 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 01:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hows claiming vet draw out the SK?
If it did somehow do that, please enlighten me so that we can lynch him. I talked about this already. Scum hit does not go through on N1. They know who they hit. Scum fakeclaims vet. Koshi's response was obviously a blue (vet) claim. 1) Scum hit Koshi - Koshi is vet, no need to roleblock him on N2, just kill him dead. 2) Scum hit other then Koshi - Koshi is still a vet, roleblock and kill him on N2. The person scum hit is either SK or was docced (50%).
haha ok I'm not really going to even bother debating with you at this point. If you think I'm scum and I fake claimed in order to pull off this intricate play and catch the SK then I don't know what to tell you. I would never do that lol, I just wanted to get night killed...
Also you do realize the person I'm pointing to being the SK is you lol. So I guess that hypothetical makes you the SK.
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On September 19 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni you fakeclaimed in order to get killed during the night. Then you retract from the claim before the night.. Right..
I've explained this already.
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On September 19 2013 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni, do you think there was zero influence by scum in D1 mislynch? Do you think a lot of townies just fucked up majorly? Scum Godfather is going to get lynched, do you think scum just sat on their asses, did nothing and hoped for townies to fuck up?
Do you want to lynch Pandain?
there probably was scum influence involved in the lynch. Not sure if I want to lynch Pandain right now, I don't know why he made that switch from Zealos to Blubbers if Zealos is not scum as well. And Zealos voting kush actually doesn't make sense if Zealos was scum.
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Scum cannot be afk for deadlines? I didn't know this was a rule.
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On September 19 2013 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:03 Sn0_Man wrote:The issue at hand is that the only thing i'm decently sure of is that pandain is scum. However, I don't want to lynch scum I want to lynch SK. But all my town reads could actually be SK, I'm just calling them town because I have deduced that they aren't scum.  The problem is if we do not lynch scum/SK we probably lose. SK is much harder to find than scum because they can genuinely scumhunt. Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:02 Grackaroni wrote:On September 19 2013 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni, do you think there was zero influence by scum in D1 mislynch? Do you think a lot of townies just fucked up majorly? Scum Godfather is going to get lynched, do you think scum just sat on their asses, did nothing and hoped for townies to fuck up?
Do you want to lynch Pandain? there probably was scum influence involved in the lynch. Not sure if I want to lynch Pandain right now, I don't know why he made that switch from Zealos to Blubbers if Zealos is not scum as well. And Zealos voting kush actually doesn't make sense if Zealos was scum. Well who is the scum influence to the lynch?
I don't know yet. scum is probably in the group of Vayne/Kush/Pandain/debears.
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On September 19 2013 02:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Kush ain't scum bros have you guys reread any of the game?
I want dibbers to come in and talk. Preferably scumhunt. And tell me who the SK is cuz i sure dunno.
Because he said Grack unvoted. Scum scum scum. Only possible explanation is scum. That doesn't make him town, it's not like it was some difficult reasoning he had to make up to call me scum that he is incapable of making as scum.
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On September 18 2013 22:42 kushm4sta wrote:
Also to the people who think i'm scum: no just no.
My meta is known for busing. Let me tell you why this is. I find it impossible to make arguments against people I know are townies. That is why I need to bus, because since they are really scum I don't have to make anything up.
So a game like this, where I write extensive cases against people, I'm either busing or town.
Also I think this post basically implies that I am town. He's saying, no I can't be scum because Grack is town and when I'm scum I like to bus.
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On September 19 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:This is it right here. Thats why I think hes scum. Also his randomass unvote of OP on day 1 without saying other than 'this feels bad'
Oats can you explain your switch on me? You said good reason = scum. bad reason = town.
bad fake claim = town.
Then Rayn comes up with the reasoning that I fake claimed to draw out a veteran to claim and you buy that? If Koshi counterclaimed me yesterday I could have actually ended up lynched.
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I Don't think it's a good idea to go after Zealos and hope that he is the SK. He is probably not scum and SK can blend in fairly easily because he is actually solving the game as well. If Zealos is town we are screwed.
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I don't think Pandain would defend me that hard if he was scum. He could have easily sat back and watched me get tunneled and lynched rather than intervening, and all of his posts that he made during that seemed townie once again.
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On September 19 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 23:23 Grackaroni wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote: fake claimed for no reason , and then un fake claimed for no reason . This is it right here. Thats why I think hes scum. Also his randomass unvote of OP on day 1 without saying other than 'this feels bad' Oats can you explain your switch on me? You said good reason = scum. bad reason = town. bad fake claim = town. Then Rayn comes up with the reasoning that I fake claimed to draw out a veteran to claim and you buy that? If Koshi counterclaimed me yesterday I could have actually ended up lynched. Well I reread your fakeclaim, and came to the conclusion that it was a good claim that had no reason to be there, even to have #bigplays. No reason shit is normally scum doing shit.
I'm not sure if I understand the oats method of scumhunting yet, but this seems like it's the exact opposite of what you were arguing with me earlier on night 1.
On September 15 2013 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol reasons. Everyone has reasons.
Scum has reasons. Town has reasons.
Why are you calling having reasons townie? Not having reasons is more townie.
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On September 19 2013 23:45 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take back my earlier statement. I want to lynch Oats if he does not give me 2 scumreads with proper reasoning. Don't do this rayn Oats aint scum lol.
He flip-flopped on me opportunistically when Rayn was leading the charge against me and I don't think he has valid reasoning for doing so. This is scummy.
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Oats is the best lynch at this point, ever since push on day1 for BH he hasn't given any fleshed out reasoning for anyone being scum. He gave 2 different conclusions on my alignment with the same reasoning (lack of reasoning) and the only thing that had changed during that time was that thread sentiment (Rayn) was in favor of lynching me. I would no longer characterize his play as in your face, now it seems much more passive and shifty.
He was also trying to take all the credit for the wagon on BH in his talks with me night one and when people bought that BH was survivor he was against lynching him. BH only got lynched day2 because of WoS' flip. Oats pushing BH Day1 doesn't mean he has to be town. There is no rule that scum cannot be afk for deadlines and there was no way he expected BH to be lynched. He was a replacement, nobody was going to listen to him and he could have voted basically anyone he wanted to. He could have pushed BH not expecting for BH to have to vote switch and gather up town cred later if BH flipped in a later round.
Oats is our best chance at scum today.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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On September 20 2013 01:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
rayn you know I'm not scum. I gave quite extensive reasoning on why grack/pandain are the remaining scum. also people should stop voting zealos since he is being modkilled anyway.
Your reasoning is just so bad, I don't even know what to tell you. First I'm scum because Pandain's first post was "exactly the kind of post scum like to jump on" whatever the hell that means and now it's because Pandain is also scum and I jumped on his post because I knew he was scum. Really, out of everything in the thread that is why I'm scum?
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I think that you should have better reads if you are town and actually analyze the thread but I'm just also thrown off by the fact that you didn't seem to have any clue how the RB/veteran worked and I feel like if you were actually scum you would have came in and sheeped Rayn's reasoning rather than writing out that bad case and drawing attention to yourself. God I don't even know what to think at this point
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