EPTOn September 17 2013 10:41 kushm4sta wrote:
@grack will you kill me tonight?
@grack will you kill me tonight?
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Umasi was already really likely town before this for leaving his vote on OP. This also really explains Umasi's suspicion of Zealos' QT comment. If I was mason I would have been a bit paranoid that he was trying to crumb a claim to use later in the game. | ||
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Vayne SnB Pandain Zealos People to look further into if the game is still going on and none of the above players are likely scum. Sn0 Man Debears Kush People who I COULD hypothetically see being scum but are very likely not: Oatsmaster People who are town Koshi Rayn Umasi | ||
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S&B= SK kill. 3 mafia and 1 SK makes sense if we believe the role pm flavor (I do) | ||
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On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote: got roleblocked last night can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? What townie gets RB, knows that there was only one RB yesterday and then is curious whether scum could have RB'd Koshi. I'm suspicious of this claim. | ||
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On September 18 2013 07:28 VayneAuthority wrote: so there you have it, koshi didn't say he was rb'ed yesterday so he took 2 shots. there's the missing shot from yesterday. He posted this afterwards but I think it's a cover up. I don't think anyone would think this makes sense... | ||
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Scum have Roleblockers in pretty much every game. Town RBs are Jailkeepers. No Jailkeeper in his right mind would have Jailed S&B n1. It's logical to assume from the n1 actions that there is 1 roleblocker and that roleblocker is scum. Now vayne supposedly has the knowledge that he was Roleblocked and at the same time wonders if scum could have RB'd Koshi and that was the reason there was a dead veteran. He shouldn't be wondering this if he was actually Roleblocked. It makes no sense. Either he was thinking there was 2 roleblockers or it's a slip. | ||
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"Is it possible that the reason our veteran died is because he was roleblocked?" Which isn't a question that someone who had gotten RB would ask because there has only been 1 RB claimed yesterday so Koshi couldn't have been RB'd last night from his point of view. I'm probably making too much of this so you don't need to read as far into it as I did. People wrote off S&B as likely town for being RB'd n1; We shouldn't do the same for Vayne. | ||
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I think it's Rayn. WoS makes the most sense to me for a Rayn kill because they have a history together. SnB was very focused on Rayn. Probably a good thing for town to look into if he ends up one as one of the absolute final people alive with all of the scum dead and only the SK remaining but he is the most pro-town person in the thread so it would be absolutely horrible play to lynch him just because the night kills points towards it being him. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually, Grackaroni explain this post: Where do you get the idea that i would be bussing BH? It was not sure he was scum then. If i was scum and he was not, why is it fishy for SnB to assume i could be scum and BH is not? His 2 scum reads were on players who were very unlikely to be scum together because of the way you pushed BH. I wanted to find out if he thought you two were scum together (not something a townie actually reading the game should think) or if he just wasn't considering scum teams as a whole yet and was only looking at individual players. On September 18 2013 23:08 Oatsmaster wrote: I honestly think that this makes kush town. All he has been arguing is that I am scum because I moved my vote. That's not an argument that would be impossible for Kush to come up with if he was scum. I've been trying to piece together potential scum teams in my head and I see 2 likely teams. Zealos/Pandain. That last minute vote switch was utter chaos. Zealos- He hasn't given a shit about analyzing the game. I don't think that BH putting his vote on Zealos makes him town because BH really wanted to keep himself alive this game. He continued posting as if he were survivor all the way until the very end. I could definitely see BH throwing a weaker teammate under the bus in order to allow himself to stay in the game. Pandain hasn't been doing much analysis ever since BH went down. He was actively making analysis and trying to get people off of BH and ever since that he has seemed very demoralized. In order for this theory to be correct though there would have to be a lot of disorganization between BH and Pandain. Vayne/Kush- Vayne hasn't done jack shit as well recently, he has stuck to the same reads all game and he never truly sits down and tries to convince people that he is right about them. Vayne actually was doing something at the start of the game and since then he has seemed demoralized. Kush- Much like Vayne, Kush is sticking to these shitty reads, but he does try to push them and convince others he is right. He hasn't analyzed my meta or he chose to ignore it. Kush is definitely capable of doing what he has as scum because he hasn't had to actually read through the thread and come up with a reason for me being scum. All he did was say grack unvoted and press on about it. Vayne/Kush are both very protective of one another. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town". Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you gain suspicion until now? No, you did gain town-credit. so what, I didn't think my claims would get town credit. That's the same reasoning as saying that you were wrong that scum would want to bus BH day2 and that they would actually want to be really indecisive and jump in on a last second vote switch because they got town credit from it now. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. Then there is this: What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? you voting for OP wasn't a suspicious vote because you had already started the case on him earlier in your filter. Oats kind of pushed him earlier but not nearly enough to convince others to vote for him. The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: And you bought that at face value given that: 1) You were suspicious of Pandain 2) Pandain was right there defending OP 3) At early on in the game when i voted for OP and gave my reasoning (which was in fact exactly what made people vote for him in the end) there were a lot of people arguing against OP being scum. Makes sense how? 1 and 2) Scum basically never come out like this and start hard defending a teammate this vocally. They think it will make them appear too scummy. 3) I don't remember anyone arguing that they thought Op wasn't scum except Koshi. | ||
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