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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 20:55 GMT
#3126
Ebwop notice*
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 20:58 GMT
#3127
Lynch Zealos. If he's not anti town, you can lynch me.
That's the pandain way!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 21:02 GMT
#3130
On September 19 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 05:58 Pandain wrote:
Lynch Zealos. If he's not anti town, you can lynch me.
That's the pandain way!

That doesn't work unfortunately, because if we lynch town we lose. That's not a townie mindset.

Yeah I know if he wasn't town I was going to be like sike don't lynch me!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 22:02 GMT
#3136
I will be here soon
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 22:16 GMT
#3142
On September 19 2013 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 05:11 Pandain wrote:
On September 19 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So where did everyone go when we started talking about scum instead of SK?


As I said I had class.

If I had to guess, it would be Vayne for scum.

It's a bunch of little things.
+ Show Spoiler +


He voted Blub who we now know is town. It's alright, a whole bunch of others did too (and I chose him over BH).

This post is suspicious:
On September 12 2013 08:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
this time im his town buddy bro

also you were serial killer in that game so you were just leading on anything LOL

@papasmurf it was just that game. he usually just fucks around as town but randomly started writing cases and shit in persona


Assumes that kush is town at day one, weird assumption to make. Assumes they're both town? Covering? Slipped knowledge kush is town? A lot of possibilties, but most lead to a scum reason why.
On September 14 2013 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
im back, catching up now. saw the mislynch though =/ gotta look at the people that followed my wagon with little to no support.


He was leading a wagon? Makes it seem like others are at fault and not him.

There are more posts like this, it's not certain but its a guess.

He also is playing similar to his town game in Titanic.

I would say he's playing a good game of mafia, but mafia none the less.


Don't understand why people say my posts make me pro-town and then when it happens I'm wrong(it's ok, it's mafia) people say I'm mafia. I did what I did because it made sense, and I explain it.


I also think Kush is still a good choice, but think Zealos is the best choice.

Sno can you explain why you think I'm scum? All I get from you is that I'm going after the "easiest" lynches.



When you get back talk to me about this post.
In this post you give reasons why Vayne is scum. I don't see how these things you point out make Vayne scum. In fact, you say later on that "Vayne played similarly in his town game Titanic". You say there is "other stuff like this". What's it?

I still don't get why you think kush is scum. You have been wanting to policy lynch him on D1. After that he has stepped up his game, a lot. What makes him scum?


I think Vayne is scum, but I gave an honest analsyis. He's playing similar(post style) to his town play in Titanic, but he has made suspicious votes. The "it" is suspicious posts.

Kush was more than a policy lynch to me ever since he said he knew scum had fake claims. I didn't and still don't find it plausible that upon receiving your role you ask if you can claim, and then ask if scum can fake claim. It's a non-sequitur. I don't buy his excuse for it.

Also his recent play has been poor analysis wise too, but that's not as important, as he could just be bad trying to push Grack as scum and then me as scum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 22:19 GMT
#3145
It's not fucked up.

If we find the SK, then town only faces one possible kp(due to blue roles perhaps saving).

So it would be now 7-2-1
Into 7-2
Night passes, 6-2
5-2 into night 4-2
4-2 into night 3-2
3-2 into night 1-2 and lose
etc... we have three chances to lynch and still win.

The three remaining are most likely in Kush, Zealos, and Vayne. There is a small chance it is someone like Sno.

Your reads on mafia are bad and wrong as I've stated, so my view on this is that you're trying to find mafia but failing.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 22:21 GMT
#3146
You're right its harder if we don't hit SK in the next two times, but Zealos is not flipping town
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 22:30 GMT
#3148
On September 19 2013 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 07:16 Pandain wrote:
On September 19 2013 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 19 2013 05:11 Pandain wrote:
On September 19 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So where did everyone go when we started talking about scum instead of SK?


As I said I had class.

If I had to guess, it would be Vayne for scum.

It's a bunch of little things.
+ Show Spoiler +


He voted Blub who we now know is town. It's alright, a whole bunch of others did too (and I chose him over BH).

This post is suspicious:
On September 12 2013 08:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
this time im his town buddy bro

also you were serial killer in that game so you were just leading on anything LOL

@papasmurf it was just that game. he usually just fucks around as town but randomly started writing cases and shit in persona


Assumes that kush is town at day one, weird assumption to make. Assumes they're both town? Covering? Slipped knowledge kush is town? A lot of possibilties, but most lead to a scum reason why.
On September 14 2013 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
im back, catching up now. saw the mislynch though =/ gotta look at the people that followed my wagon with little to no support.


He was leading a wagon? Makes it seem like others are at fault and not him.

There are more posts like this, it's not certain but its a guess.

He also is playing similar to his town game in Titanic.

I would say he's playing a good game of mafia, but mafia none the less.


Don't understand why people say my posts make me pro-town and then when it happens I'm wrong(it's ok, it's mafia) people say I'm mafia. I did what I did because it made sense, and I explain it.


I also think Kush is still a good choice, but think Zealos is the best choice.

Sno can you explain why you think I'm scum? All I get from you is that I'm going after the "easiest" lynches.



When you get back talk to me about this post.
In this post you give reasons why Vayne is scum. I don't see how these things you point out make Vayne scum. In fact, you say later on that "Vayne played similarly in his town game Titanic". You say there is "other stuff like this". What's it?

I still don't get why you think kush is scum. You have been wanting to policy lynch him on D1. After that he has stepped up his game, a lot. What makes him scum?


I think Vayne is scum, but I gave an honest analsyis. He's playing similar(post style) to his town play in Titanic, but he has made suspicious votes. The "it" is suspicious posts.

Kush was more than a policy lynch to me ever since he said he knew scum had fake claims. I didn't and still don't find it plausible that upon receiving your role you ask if you can claim, and then ask if scum can fake claim. It's a non-sequitur. I don't buy his excuse for it.

Also his recent play has been poor analysis wise too, but that's not as important, as he could just be bad trying to push Grack as scum and then me as scum.

What's suspicious in Vayne's voting? Compared to Grackaroni who agrees with his scumread to vote for a target that is pushed by his other scumread? Really, Vayne comes out more suspicious of that?

Have you ever played with kush? Him asking if scum have fake claims does not necessarily make him scum. If he was scum why the hell would he be screaming it out in thread for nothing? Him making analysis makes him so town. This is like more analysis he has made in his last 5 town games. Who is to say he is wrong? Even if you are not scum, why can't Grackaroni/debears be?


I disagree with everything you say.

First, you forget. It isn't really Vayne's vote but his posts which are suspicious. Voting blub, saying we need to look at people who followed him without reason, and then not following up with that. Bad reasoning on grack and me. It's not conclusive, and I never said I was which is why I have been changing my opinion of him.

"Him making analysis makes him so town".
That's what grack has been doing? Except better analysis? And he's been doing it for longer and more consistantly?

You still also haven't addressed the fact that there is no smart reason for a scum to try and fake claim and bring attention to himself when everything is going well for him, in order to try and out a vet. Has there EVER been a play in mafia history which tried to out a vet? That is not even risky, it's just dumb.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 22:33 GMT
#3149
And Sno take your vote off of me as you've clearly been tunneling.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 22:34 GMT
#3150
And Kush, are you going to vote or wait until you know what will work best for you.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 23:03 GMT
#3155
On September 19 2013 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 07:30 Pandain wrote:
On September 19 2013 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 19 2013 07:16 Pandain wrote:
On September 19 2013 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 19 2013 05:11 Pandain wrote:
On September 19 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So where did everyone go when we started talking about scum instead of SK?


As I said I had class.

If I had to guess, it would be Vayne for scum.

It's a bunch of little things.
+ Show Spoiler +


He voted Blub who we now know is town. It's alright, a whole bunch of others did too (and I chose him over BH).

This post is suspicious:
On September 12 2013 08:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
this time im his town buddy bro

also you were serial killer in that game so you were just leading on anything LOL

@papasmurf it was just that game. he usually just fucks around as town but randomly started writing cases and shit in persona


Assumes that kush is town at day one, weird assumption to make. Assumes they're both town? Covering? Slipped knowledge kush is town? A lot of possibilties, but most lead to a scum reason why.
On September 14 2013 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
im back, catching up now. saw the mislynch though =/ gotta look at the people that followed my wagon with little to no support.


He was leading a wagon? Makes it seem like others are at fault and not him.

There are more posts like this, it's not certain but its a guess.

He also is playing similar to his town game in Titanic.

I would say he's playing a good game of mafia, but mafia none the less.


Don't understand why people say my posts make me pro-town and then when it happens I'm wrong(it's ok, it's mafia) people say I'm mafia. I did what I did because it made sense, and I explain it.


I also think Kush is still a good choice, but think Zealos is the best choice.

Sno can you explain why you think I'm scum? All I get from you is that I'm going after the "easiest" lynches.



When you get back talk to me about this post.
In this post you give reasons why Vayne is scum. I don't see how these things you point out make Vayne scum. In fact, you say later on that "Vayne played similarly in his town game Titanic". You say there is "other stuff like this". What's it?

I still don't get why you think kush is scum. You have been wanting to policy lynch him on D1. After that he has stepped up his game, a lot. What makes him scum?


I think Vayne is scum, but I gave an honest analsyis. He's playing similar(post style) to his town play in Titanic, but he has made suspicious votes. The "it" is suspicious posts.

Kush was more than a policy lynch to me ever since he said he knew scum had fake claims. I didn't and still don't find it plausible that upon receiving your role you ask if you can claim, and then ask if scum can fake claim. It's a non-sequitur. I don't buy his excuse for it.

Also his recent play has been poor analysis wise too, but that's not as important, as he could just be bad trying to push Grack as scum and then me as scum.

What's suspicious in Vayne's voting? Compared to Grackaroni who agrees with his scumread to vote for a target that is pushed by his other scumread? Really, Vayne comes out more suspicious of that?

Have you ever played with kush? Him asking if scum have fake claims does not necessarily make him scum. If he was scum why the hell would he be screaming it out in thread for nothing? Him making analysis makes him so town. This is like more analysis he has made in his last 5 town games. Who is to say he is wrong? Even if you are not scum, why can't Grackaroni/debears be?


I disagree with everything you say.

First, you forget. It isn't really Vayne's vote but his posts which are suspicious. Voting blub, saying we need to look at people who followed him without reason, and then not following up with that. Bad reasoning on grack and me. It's not conclusive, and I never said I was which is why I have been changing my opinion of him.

"Him making analysis makes him so town".
That's what grack has been doing? Except better analysis? And he's been doing it for longer and more consistantly?

You still also haven't addressed the fact that there is no smart reason for a scum to try and fake claim and bring attention to himself when everything is going well for him, in order to try and out a vet. Has there EVER been a play in mafia history which tried to out a vet? That is not even risky, it's just dumb.

Vayne has been looking into people who followed him. Didn't you and Grack follow him for example?

Okay so where has Grack found scum? What makes his analysis better?

Yes there is and i have addressed it. I don't remember that kinda scenario. I can point out a lot of scenarios that are extremely rare but not impossible. Have you seen a scenario where a townie fakeclaims cop to lynch a mafioso and the real cop claims a green check on the fakeclaimant to convince him to lynch another mafioso? Then a third townie says "you are all dumb" and makes a case against a third mafioso, and because it is majority lynch it's possible that noone is gonna get lynched so a fourth townie fakeclaims a cop to lynch the first mafia guy. These things happen.


Vayne doesn't even matter, no one seriously wants to lynch him, or I ignore those people because it's not the right lynch at this time. He is too vague.

But grack is town, and if you're going to let him be lynched because you're too blind to see it then you need to re-read the mafia guides that are stickied at the top of the mafia forum and relearn how to find townies.

There's only even been one scum to find, and that's OP. Ok, so he was wrong the first time along with me for good reasoning. You guys had bad reasoning anyway and it was a bad day one lynch that turned out to be lucky. But when it was obvious he was scum, he voted him. There's not much to hold against him.

And no you can not find a game where mafia has ever fake claimed vet in order to out a vet because that is the most retarded idea I have ever heard in my life
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 23:03 GMT
#3156
On September 19 2013 08:02 kushm4sta wrote:
do you think im being sneaky about who i tihnk are anti town?/
panda grack deberas
i only said it a million times


No but I'm curious why you don't at least vote and take a side.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 23:21 GMT
#3162
On September 19 2013 05:58 Pandain wrote:
Lynch Zealos. If he's not anti town, you can lynch me.
That's the pandain way!


Me tooooo
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 23:23 GMT
#3165
It's a phrase. We wouldn't actually let you lynch us.

But we're far confident that Zealos is SK(or more unlikely, scum).

I also disagree with debears and possibly Umasi in that I don't think there are really any scummy things in Grack's play
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 23:24 GMT
#3166
Debears just used his posts this games, I would rather use those and then consider them in context. Normally, Zealos is more pro-active as town. He actually contributes rather than lurking(although he has been admiteddly mod killed in half of his games, in all the others he has been pro-town.)

The only game where he plays like he is now is in Magic the Gathering where he was scum. Scum play is usually a lot like SK play.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 23:25 GMT
#3168
On September 19 2013 08:24 kushm4sta wrote:
um i REALLY dont think we should be aiming to kill the sk. SK is way harder to find than mafia. Most of the time they act pretty much like town.
Like previously i thought debears was scum but now I think he may be mafia


If you think this you are wrong.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 23:34 GMT
#3178
On September 19 2013 08:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 08:27 Umasi wrote:
People who won't lynch zealos, why is he town?


My biggest gripe is OP switching his vote to zealos to save himself. what's the point of saving yourself in that manner to just kill another scum?

He's SK or town, I don't see him as scum. Too easy and doesn't make any sense.


We've come to an analysis that either he's SK, or mafia messed up in that regards and Zealos is still mafia (less likely but still to be considered).
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2013 23:39 GMT
#3180
I think the above is reason why anything kushm4sta says should be taken with a grain of salt.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 00:55 GMT
#3185
No it just means both of you are suspicious; it's just more suspicious of Zealous because it doesn't fit with his meta while it does fit with yours
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 00:59 GMT
#3186
[QUOTE]On September 19 2013 08:36 kushm4sta wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 19 2013 08:27 kushm4sta wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 19 2013 08:13 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Btw just to let people know.

The reason why Umasi and I and Pandain are voting with each other is from the mason talks. Umasi and I both think Pandain is town based on mason chats and overall play.[/QUOTE]

people dont pass over this..if debears were town, why would he be making excuses for being on the same wagon as certain people[/QUOTE]
And he's simply explaining why we are thinking alike. I like to think of it as a disjointed town circle of freedom.
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