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On August 30 2013 22:54 Tutankoopa wrote:For reference: Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. However, we're long past that point in the game so I'll give you a full explanation.Much of H's play was him being skeptical of the rayn voter(s). He says that rayn is being too stupid to be mafia. The full picture is that everything he posts and all of his accusations are based off of his page 2 Rayn town read. By asking those questions I was basically fishing for more evidence that Hopeless knew rayn's alignment. Show nested quote + If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? Stupidity is a common target of policy lynchers. Hopeless doesn't have to agree with the policy, but surely if he think's you're being stupid he would be able to understand why people might want to policy lynch you.... or at least have a reasonable idea why. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On August 30 2013 22:30 Tutankoopa wrote:
Do people want me to keep talking to rayn? Not really. Got a casual read on Sn0 lying around? Apologies if I missed you talking about him previously Way back in the game I saw him say something like "Nvm, I lied." I thought it was townie and haven't paid attention to him since then. No, it's not the best town-tell.... but it is what it is.
Tutankoopa; actually. How does the bolded part make sense? Hopeless had already answered your question and you never followed it up (before or after i asked for your motives). Was there something else you wanted to find out besides Hopeless' answer and why did you never follow up your first set of questions to him?
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Okay Tutankoopa is clearly lying about something here.
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Tutankoopa says this:
Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. However, we're long past that point in the game so I'll give you a full explanation.
This is what happened in chronological order:
On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?
On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...
On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tutankoopa i would like you to explain a couple of things: Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense. Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.
My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted. What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post?
10 hours. 10 hours after Hopeless has answered i ask him about his motives. In that time frame he has done nothing to follow that Hopeless thingy up.
Then he straight out lies of me not letting Hopeless answer first.
When i point out the lie he does this:
On August 30 2013 23:36 Tutankoopa wrote:
I didn't follow it up because I didn't get the damming result I was fishing for so there was literally nothing to say. You also kinda interrupted whatever train of thought I might have had when you decided to press the smurfing issue.
Which is WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING ALL THE FUCKING GAME WHEN SOMEONE ASKS HIM SOMETHING. He does give fishy answers in the first place and gives totally different answers compared to his first one when asked to clarify.
Tutankoopa is mafia!
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On August 30 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Uh what rayn?
Im not lynching Tutan off that.
What the fuck. Are you seriously buying the fact that "he got disturbed" when i asked him if he is a smurf. rofl.
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EBWOP: distracted rather than disturbed
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On August 30 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Uh what rayn?
Im not lynching Tutan off that. What the fuck. Are you seriously buying the fact that "he got disturbed" when i asked him if he is a smurf. rofl. Well no, but I dont think that contradicting yourself off pretty vague questions is totally 100% a scumtell. I dont understand your questions sometimes too man.
This has nothing to do with my questions.
The dude said i did not let Hopeless answer him, that's a fucking lie. I point out the lie and suddenly it was me "distracting him" and "not letting Hopeless answer" any more.
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On August 31 2013 00:27 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:54 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 30 2013 23:50 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote: FirmTofu
Heads or Tails? I'm actually getting more interested in taking this approach, mostly to be fair to alakaslam since replacing in as the prime lynch candidate with 8 hours to lynch is horrendously unfair. Excuse me. What if I wasn't vt? And I am in another game. Liking this one too though, but beware the flow of juices. (Currently they do not.) What is with FirmTofu? Should I read his filter?
Take your time, read the thread (at least skim through it) and read whoever you think is worth reading. FirmTofu is the only one who is definitely not.
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Alakaslam, i mean, there is no point for people to tell you who to read. You should find that out yourself.
Please read the thread and whenever you are ready comment on what you find is important. You are atm the leading condidate to be lynched and you not reading but trolling here instead is not helping you.
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Hapahauli please get in here as soon as possible! I need to talk to you about something!
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On August 31 2013 03:09 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapahauli please get in here as soon as possible! I need to talk to you about something! Back, awake, and catching up. Whats up?
Look at my last post about Tutankhamon, compare that with what marv did after. What can you see?
I think Tutandude is totally scum. I am bad at explaining but that's fucking damning. marv soft-defending him from start of the game is weird. He always fucks off when i post something good about my scumread on tut. Also i do not think hopeless/alkaslam is mafia. The wagon is fishy.
Lynch tutandude.
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Okay. Fuck you Hapa and marv if you are town this game.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Sylencia
Since apparently noone wants to lynch a guy who is most likely to be scum, i go to my secondary target.
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On August 31 2013 04:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. Fuck you Hapa and marv if you are town this game.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Sylencia
Since apparently noone wants to lynch a guy who is most likely to be scum, i go to my secondary target. Rayn... how often have your Day 1 tunnels been correct in the past?
In past 2 games 1/2. Abd the other one was WoS being completely retarded.
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Oh actually
in past 3 games 2/3 and WoS
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yeah and i tunneled Chezinu in NWM but noone wanted to nuke him. i guess that makes it 3/4
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Also, if you do not want to lynch Tutandude, and can't consolidate on Sylencia, please PLEASE let's lynch FT.
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i already have. Whenever FT is scum he decides do shit on me. From the very first post of mine.
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No hapa, please do not be try to "safe lynch" like you are now.
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TK has not done anything but given bad answers and been wishy-washy about everything. He is a smurf. His early game is fishy (and i can't fucking point out why). He is so very mafia, and i have a feeling marv is too.
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By smurf i mean i expect him to not be bad.
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bleh.. he's straight out lying to me and trying to cover it up with something else.. I notice this stuff when i see it.
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EPT
