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On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
@hapa
yea I agree. I just kinda want to ignore this debears/rayn drama for now as they both seem rather townie to me based on their filters and with time this night-action stuff may resolve itself.
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?
Maybe come up with a list of questions for people to respond to when they wake up?
Really any progress made today will be on the backs of players who aren't posting right now >>
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On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk? onegu
TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?
As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?
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On September 01 2013 11:31 debears wrote:
Hapa,does raynp ever breadcrumb any of his true claims?
I have no clue. I've only played in games where he was some anti-town faction.
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@ Yamato
Why are you leaning town on Sylencia? I haven't seen any justification from you in your filter at all. Putting him in the same category as sciberbia in that regard is really surprising.
@ Scib
Regarding Oats' defense, it actually strikes me as pretty townie. There was a good meta observation made by ObviousOne a while ago, to the effect of "If you can sense Oats' 'madness' in the thread, he's probably town."
To this regard, him having this absurd non-sensical 180 is completely up his alley as town. Futhermore, his defense of just calling things bad and not really addressing cases towards him is also pretty normal.
Even though he's less active than I'm used to seeing out of him, his defense (on meta) is townie.
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On September 02 2013 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa, we gotta stop meeting like this
I think we need to see other people :3
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Basically scib, every game I've ever played with town Oats, I always find myself banging my head against the wall trying to wrap my head around some absurd contradiction in his filter. Town Oats is always goign to change his mind a lot and do incredibly spazztic things. As scum, he has a far less chance of doing so, and his play is actually remarkably clean as scum.
The only thing that keeps me on edge about him is his low activity and convenient choice of lynch targets. For example, he's mentioned multiple times suspicon on myself and scib, but has chosen to spend most of his time tunneling various lurkers (FT, Slam, etc).
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@ Sn0, TK, Onegu
We basically haven't heard from you three today. What do you make of the Rayn/Dibbers stuff?
Who are your scum-reads? (As for TK who has his vote on Onegu, I'm more looking for other reads).
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On September 02 2013 09:10 Tutankoopa wrote:
Before I try to figure this out, can anyone explain why all the role speculation makes any sense? All the "evidence" I see is debears claiming a roleblock and rayn claiming he was shot. How does that lead to some setup with multiple vets or whatever people are talking about? And why are we giving any weight to rayn's claim?
Well it would be a different situation if both players weren't absurdly townie on behavior already. As far as the speculation goes, claiming to get shot as veteran is a really difficult claim to pull off as scum. Both debears and rayn's behavior around their claims seem legitimate and what I'd expect from both if they were telling the truth.
Hapa I plan on being in the thread for a long time starting later this evening. I'd rather talk then in live conversation. Did you really not understand my onegu case? I read your questions last night but I didn't know how to respond because I didn't know what to make of your post. I'm also curious as to why you are reading me incorrectly.
Awesome. I should be around for the next few hours.
In regards to your case - your case basically states that Onegu was vocal about suspicion of a scum-read (Hopeless) then switched off in favor of someone who was being "useless" (FirmTofu). The thing is, Onegu rationalized that switch on his belief that FT was scum, and has stated to the effect several times. What precludes the explanation that Onegu simply voted the strongest of his scum-reads at the time?
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On September 02 2013 09:48 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa, do you have anything to say about my post besides to question my weak town read of Syl?
This goes for anyone, btw.
Not really? There's very little in there that hasn't already been said to some capacity.
Except for your stuff on me, which you don't even give a read with =/
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Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.
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On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence. I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read. Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.
The thing is, this "uncertain" mentality of yours isn't really reflected by your latest "reads" post. You seem to have a pretty organized idea of who is suspicious and who is town.
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@hapa
Who would you rather lynch between Oats and yamato? I think they're both scum.
If had to choose between the two, probably yamato, since useless = scum for him as a meta-point.
However I'm not entirely convinced about either, and I'd probably lean towards lynching Slam at this point. We had a good case on hopeless, and his successor has literally done nothing up until this point.
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On September 02 2013 12:44 Tutankoopa wrote:
He said he thought I'm town because he thought he knew who I am. Do you think this is a justification that scum would make up? It suggests that he was trying to figure out my alignment. I believe he was talking to marv.
A weak/mysterious town-read isn't really a tell one way or the other.
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On September 02 2013 12:48 Onegu wrote:
Hey I habe been thinking about the rayn and debears thing, and its possible one of then IS the SK. SK normally have one shot immune or green to checks and I have seen them have both also. Somfor example scum shoots SK debears who is immune and SK debears shoots Vet rayn. Doesnt this make a bit moe sense then 2 town vets? And since no one has claimed vig yet its more likely a SK or Maf vig. We should know tonight though.
I suppose that's possible, however I wouldn't risk lynching into either today.
I'm more interested in hearing your scum-reads Onegu. We've heard so little from you this game.
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On September 02 2013 13:48 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hapa are you in the thread? Lets figure each other out and get this over with.
I'm doing some work so I'll be in and out. Though you're not someone I'm looking to lynch as of now.
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Hey, awake and catching up.
I'll get to Yamato's case in a second I guess. I'm a bit frustrated there are votes on me at this stage of the game, but I sympathise with some of the points.
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Well looking at the case, I'm scum because I played "peacemaker" in a past scum-game (which I've done as both scum and town in may games), and that I have "avoided direct confrontation with Yamato."
The first point is pants-on-head, but the second is worth talking about. Firstly, I haven't at all avoided confrontation with Yamato. Hell Yamato thought I was town on Day 1 because of a huge extended argument he had with myself and marv. Hell I thought I was basically done with yamato's case at that stage in the game. If that's avoiding confrontation, I really don't know what to say on the subject. It is true that we haven't interacted much today, but that's because we've barely been in the thread at the same time. Every time Yamato and I are in the thread, I'm questioning him to some capacity, which often is soon ended by him going to bed =/
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As far as my read on Yamato goes, I'm still annoyed that he's posting so little, but I find it hard to believe he'd still be attacking me at this stage of the game as scum.
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Oats, are you around right now? I want to talk about Slam with you.
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