EPTOn September 06 2013 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:
well im fuk'd
##Vote Marv
well im fuk'd
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Next we kill the 1 goo | ||
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On September 06 2013 12:25 thrawn2112 wrote: Hey yamato. How's this going to play out? Tomorrow, while high on pain meds after a root canal, I am going to name the last two scum, and then get told I'm wrong and mislynched for the loss of town. Watch. | ||
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On September 06 2013 10:05 Hapahauli wrote: You're preaching to the choir man. Again, I agree with you. You agree that me saying Rayn is a better scum player than a town player doesn't make any sense? I know that's a lie >_> | ||
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It takes real mental fortitude to not scream at you for how lazy you are when discerning my alignment, if you are indeed town. | ||
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I hate that the biggest indicator that HAPAHAULI is town is that he fucking claimed blue. It reeks, Hapa. | ||
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On September 06 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey yamato are you here? I am now if you ask non-stupid questions, I might even entertain a conversation. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also, even if you think my questions are not reasonable, can you answer Hapa's? what does Hapa question? All he keeps saying about me is that I'm "useless" when I've probably put in more time and effort this game than he has. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are not even looking at what "confirmed townies" post. What gives? If there's some question I missed, you can tell me instead of being an obtuse asshat. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: That is the point. You never gave any concrete reasons for your reads change. It was all because of "i reread stuff". It's not enough. Why is Sno now town and Onegu scum, it makes no sense to me? Looking at how they justified their votes and how consistent this voting pattern was with the rest of their filter played a part in me slightly changing my reads. TBH the strength of my reads is always in flux and will change. It's the worst argument in all of mafia to call someone scum because they changed their mind about how they read the game. | ||
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If I accept that Hapa is doc (I don't want to) and that thrawn is still terrible at being scum (maybe he isn't?), then I have to consider that 2 out of Sn0/Syl/Onegu are mafia. But I doubt this, because I think the hubbub over Syl not having a fakeclaim is unreliable, both because of host error and because I don't trust Hapa. If Hapa is mafia, he has every reason there to lead you down this road. Plus, why would Marv tell Syl to make this messy sort of claim when it was already clear he was getting lynched? What disturbs me is: 1) Marv is a better mafia leader than that. 2) Why did Hapa want to lynch Syl over the AFK Marv who had solid cases against him? (note, his vote was only on him after he apparently scumclaimed) 3) Hapa and Marv both defended each other throughout the game against almost all rebuke, even on Marv's final day. 4) We have no way to truly confirm Hapa's role as doc because now he can't even use his own role, due to its conditional nature, AND this is a closed setup. Would a scum doctor be entirely out of the question in a themed game of this nature? Why are we presuming this to be normal in any way, shape, or form? It's POSSIBLE that we have a lynchproof townie. 5) Why the fuck would mafia Syl fakeclaim lynchproof? To save Marv? It would never have worked, and Marv would have known that. You ruined nothing, because the plan was so bad it could have never made it out of the QT, if it was even suggested, 6) Messy claims like this almost always come from town, in my experience. Scum would go over every facet of a claim before they risked making one. Also, I question my presumption that thrawn cannot play mafia. It's entirely possible that thrawn has learned how to post, especially having been on a scum team with a leader like Marv. The attitude and encouragement of your scum partners can greatly affect your ability to post things believably. This would also adequately explain the disparity in posting ability between Hapa's recent scumgames and this game. The whole reason I question this is because when I look at how the last day went down, I think to myself "who really stepped up to try at MYLO to solve the game/give their input?" Keep in mind, this is relative, but Sylencia, Onegu and Sn0 were all in the thread throughout the day discussing things. Unusually silent were Hapa and Thrawn, both of which have seen their respective activities slowly decline over the past few days, as Marv's has. Now, I'll admit, taking the step to saying that Hapa fakeclaimed is more risky than presuming that he didn't. But we can't be certain he's telling the truth, and there's enough minor connection between the Thrawn/Marv/Hapa triangle that I feel like it's at least worth discussing before we jump off a cliff trying to lynch someone who may well be unlynchable. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know yamato. My point is it's something that has been here, in thread all game long. For example your read on me. You have had a town read on me until D3 start. Suddenly i become scum for my D1 and D2 voting. That is something you have had access to before. Why did you not make that conclusion on N1 N2 start? It's really fishy, and the same thing happens with Onegu/Sno. Do you not understand that you WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN when you do something like what I did? As in, your past reads SHOULD be questioned with a heavy dose of skepticism? The fact that I entertained the possibility that I was reading the game incorrectly is actually the towniest fucking thing ever, btw. Scum yamato would never admit he was wrong. However, I have the good sense to know that I have preconceived notions about how players play, and that if I let them cloud my judgement the entire game, I could very well lose. | ||
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Why would scum Yamato NEED to change his reads at that time? | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So do you think Sylencia is mafia or not? Not really, no. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually yamato, you are throwing dirt on everyone besides me. You are not sure of anything besides me at this point? I find it hard to believe knowing your skill level. I'm quite clearly saying that I DON'T really think Onegu/Syl/Sn0 are mafia and that I have LOTS of reason to question Hapa and Thrawn, bro. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Well thats progress. Hapa's town tho so drop that. I'm willing to hear cases against thrawn for sure but you need something better than "maybe he learned to post as mafia iunno". That isn't selling me on a "this lynch is a sure thing" and its MYLO so... I'm not sure sylencia tried to "solve the game" he pretty much just showed up, claimed, then tossed a vote at marv and ran. I do agree that the claim garbage is a bit messed up. You cannot possibly blindly trust a claim in a closed setup You WILL lose. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Well thats progress. Hapa's town tho so drop that. I'm willing to hear cases against thrawn for sure but you need something better than "maybe he learned to post as mafia iunno". That isn't selling me on a "this lynch is a sure thing" and its MYLO so... I'm not sure sylencia tried to "solve the game" he pretty much just showed up, claimed, then tossed a vote at marv and ran. I do agree that the claim garbage is a bit messed up. ALSO, RE: Thrawn I could go through his filter and pick out "signs" that I think thrawn could be mafia, but the most important thing is that his interest in this game and the effort he's put into solving it in the past few days has waned to a significant point. Look at his posts since he came out as thrawn. Are they really indicative of a townie, who should be caring MORE about the game as MYLO approaches, or a mafia player who cares less because he thinks the game is already won? Same goes for Hapa BTW. The end of his filter is shit compared to what a REAL town Hapa would look like at this point in the game. He's not even trying, he's just posting what amounts to random spam instead of actually trying to win the game. I mean, when have you EVER SEEN Hapa agree with Rayn? Doesn't happen. | ||
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