On September 01 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:
that's some epic timing hapa. We must be in a QT together and shit.

Are you worried his me/you thing was just a stunt?

Well a useless Yamato is a scum-yamato. The stunt is a bit beyond what I'd expect from scum-yamato, but the main point remains.

Hapahauli

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August 31 2013 21:48 GMT

#1294

Yeah I remember that comment. The thing is, that there are variations in Yamato's scum-games (see the difference between say... GoT and Sicilian). The common denominator is always his lack scum-hunting though.

Hapahauli

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August 31 2013 21:55 GMT

#1299

On September 01 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
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Anyways, i can't really disagree about how useful he's been, but do you really think he'd have gone balls out at BOTH of us like that?

Maybe? I mean Yamato is fully capable of being useful as town, and if he's not next cycle, he should probably die.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2013 21:55 GMT

#1300

On September 01 2013 06:54 debears wrote:
btw what does PoE mean?

Process of elimination

Hapahauli

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August 31 2013 22:11 GMT

#1308

@ Alakaslam

I'd like your comments on the Day 1 vote.

Your vote (or rather Hopeless's vote) was on TK. Why did you never attempt to change it? You were posting a lot near the end of the deadline, but I really didn't sense any effort on your part to consolidate.

Hapahauli

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August 31 2013 22:19 GMT

#1311

On September 01 2013 07:17 debears wrote:
Hey Hapa I remember you making an extensive meta post on marv back in a game I can't remember the name of.

I believe it would greatly help me out cuz I think you addressed the point I'm trying to get to.

It was a game where drazak was medic, you had a veteran claim when marv tried to counter you. I obsed but I really cant remember

Yeah that's GSL III Mini Mafia

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&currentpage=37#724

It's an absurdly situational case though.

Hapahauli

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August 31 2013 22:37 GMT

#1325

In regards to that GSL III case debears, I'm pretty sure none of it applies to marv here, or atleast the more robust points. Marv's emotions tend to be getting the best of him this game, which is a pretty big town tell for him.

Hapahauli

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August 31 2013 22:44 GMT

#1327

On September 01 2013 07:42 debears wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'm not really into Marv for emotions. More for her passivity when it came to the day one lynch. I'll go into it more in a little bit. Some of your case does apply, and I will quote the pertinent sections in my typed up case.

Taking sections of the case defeats the whole purpose of the case... that all those points I made were on full display in a single game.

Hapahauli

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August 31 2013 22:58 GMT

#1332

Anyway we have about 15 minutes to the deadline (as I'm typing this), so I'll get some thoughts out of the way in-case I get shot.

I'm pretty convinced that Marv, Sciberbia, and Rayn are town.

The people out of that group right now is where I'm having difficulty. I have a lot of slight town-reads and not many scum-reads. As for tomorrow, I think the best course of action is to look at the vote count and try to see who was really trying to consolidate and help town (wiht the last minute vote) and who was not.

Sn0_Man (0) ~~raynpelikoneet~~
raynpelikoneet (0) ~~yamato77~~ ~~tutankoopa~~
tutankoopa (2) ~~Oatsmaster~~ Alakaslam ~~raynpelikoneet~~ FirmTofu ~~raynpelikoneet~~ ~~raynpelikoneet~~
Sciberbia (0) ~~sn0_Man~~ ~~raynpelikoneet~~ ~~debears~~
marvellosity (0) ~~yamato77~~
debears (0) ~~Hapahauli~~
Sylencia (0) ~~debears~~ ~~raynpelikoneet~~ ~~raynpelikoneet~~ ~~Hapahauli~~ ~~yamato77~~
yamato (0) ~~marvellosity~~
Alakaslam (2) ~~sciberbia~~ ~~Hapahauli~~ ~~Oatsmaster~~ ~~Sn0_Man~~ ~~marvellosity~~ Tutankoopa yamato77
FirmTofu (8) ~~Onegu~~ ~~yamato77~~ Onegu Oatsmaster marvellosity SnO_Man debears Hapahauli sciberbia raynpelikoneet
Onegu (1) Sylencia
Oatsmaster (0) ~~sciberbia~~ ~~Hapahauli debears~~

I'd expect 1-2 scum to be off of the FT wagon.

Sylencia is definetely a candidate to be scrutinized tomorrow, since he basically dropped a vote on Onegu with him having virtually no chance of getting lynched. Sylencia's play has been really strange this game. He's posting more, but is not nearly as productive as I've seen him in past games, and also has this really... "sad" air about him. Lots of frowny faces in his filter for some odd reason. He's someone I'm leaning scum on right now.

I mentioned Yamato77 already. He's useful as town, and hasn't been at all useful this game. Unless he shapes up in a big way tomorrow, I wouldn't hate to dispatch of him.

Alakaslam is someone who had his vote in the wrong place, but there are just these comments/lines in his filter towards the end of the day that sound remarkably genuine. Having coached several newbie games with him, I don't think he's difficult to read, and has a hard time staying genuine when he's scum. My gut-feel for this guy is town, but he definetely should be pressured to contribute.

TK definetely deserves another look. He really wasn't moving his vote around much today, and I think we've given him far too much town-credit for his quick change-of-mind on Rayn early on Day 1.

Hapahauli

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August 31 2013 23:00 GMT

#1336

Welll... sweet.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2013 23:02 GMT

#1339

I'm going to go grab some dinner. Look forward to your case debears, though I don't think I'll be all that convinced.

Hapahauli

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August 31 2013 23:24 GMT

#1363

On September 01 2013 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean, WHY THE fuck would i be lying?

Well this would be the 3rd blue role you'd claim, no?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2013 23:25 GMT

#1366

Can the hosts distinguish what is the difference between "active" and "passive" protection?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2013 23:26 GMT

#1367

On September 01 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am a vet. debears claim is shit. he is scum.
i was hit.

I'm not following the logic here. Debears claimed roleblock and you claim veteran. OK.

So...
1) You've claimed mason and vigi already. How can I trust your claim?
2) What does yoru claim have anything to do with debears being roleblocked?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2013 23:28 GMT

#1374

Oh geezus waddafuq.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2013 23:50 GMT

#1403

I have an abusrdly hard time believng that debears' claim could be fake. It's simply too well prepared and justified with breadcrumbs.

I guess I need to look into Rayn's filter one more time tonight, but I'm inclined to believe that they're both town and that there's an SK afoot.

Hell I really don't even know if Rayn's claim is truthful or not =/

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2013 23:53 GMT

#1406

And for the doubters, 2 veterans is extremely possible. I've actually played in a newbie game with 2 veterans and a JK.

@ Rayn and Debears - out of curiosity, are there any conditions on your powers as related to the water level? There's something in the OP that talks about some powers being linked to that.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2013 23:54 GMT

#1407

On September 01 2013 08:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fu hapa, iam vet.

You're the vet mason vigi apparently.

And this is the problem with all these fake-claims Rayn. The boy who cries wolf can't be trusted.

Hapahauli

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September 01 2013 00:03 GMT

#1411

On September 01 2013 09:00 sciberbia wrote:
shit sorry debears just did 3rd party speculation. I take it back.

I dunno I'm with hapa I think they are most likely both town. Not sure whether rayn is lying again or not to try to make a "big play" or something

For as tough of a time I'm giving Ryan about the claim, it's probably legit (if Rayn is town). He hasn't been suspicious of debears at all this game, and all his other claims were levied around trying to manipulate the game around his individual reads.

I do need to entertain the possibility of scum-Rayn tonight. And even though scum-Rayn can be somewhat spazztic, I don't know if he could fake these levels.

Also, any town-vigi should claim. If not, we either have a mafia vigi or an SK on our hands.

And if there's an SK, we can confirm it tomorrow night (if two people die) and thereby corroborate both of these claims.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 01 2013 00:48 GMT

#1412

The problem with this game right now is that there's seemingly a core group of active townies (myself, scib, marv, debears, rayn) that are willing to talk and discuss (even if hostile at times), while there exists a group of 7 other people doing jack shit.

Even if I'm somehow wrong about one person in this group of active players, I'd much rather be focusing on the 7 who are doing nothing and are more likely to be mafia.