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On August 31 2013 06:10 marvellosity wrote:
Oats why is Hopeless scum now even though he was on tuten with you?
what changed for you?
I agreed with the dudes arguments and now I think Tuten is town and therefore hopeless push is bad.
I think I summurized it earlier. Also he looks like he is trying, but the effort is all around Tuten which is pretty easy for scum to do IMO. I think town hopeless wouldve detunneled.
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ok sorry went away and the above post didnt happen.
How the fuck did I get almost lynched....
come on guys..
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Oats are you masoned with rayn?
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OK so all in all we had a bunch of imo pretty good discussion and ended up lynching a vanilla town lurker. Not a terrible D1.
I guess we may have outed our mason pair but of all the roles to out mason is a pretty harmless one.
And I really don't know about this mason stuff at all.
I mean it's one thing to have a little interplay with your mason partner in the thread so as to throw the scumteam off, but posts like these seem to be taking it a bit far.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats can you clarify to me why exactly are you suspicious of Tutankoopa? Has his policy vote something to do with it and if it does, what? On August 29 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats can you make a case on me if you think i am scum? I would really like your thought process gathered together in a well-construced post. On August 29 2013 08:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no fucking idea why you would vote for someone then 5 minutes later say that they are town.
NO CLUE.
Also that post doesnt make him scum or town. Remember Titanic? On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn.
Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it. On August 31 2013 06:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
I sheep you like every fucking game rayn. Dont beg, its unbecoming.
I really kinda want rayn to be lying so Oats can still be scum and I can still be right about him.
@Oats
Please do confirm whether or not you are masoned with rayn and will one of you please produce some logs?
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or on second thought maybe it cant hurt to wait till the daypost if there are actually any logs.
god night-time is no fun
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Onegu is mafia. Alakaslam is probably mafia too but right now I want get the Onegu conversation out of the way. There's a general pattern in Onegu's play, and it has to do with what lynches he's pushed, or rather, not pushed. There are two good examples of what I'm talking about.
Onegu made the following post about debears at the start of the game.
On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu
You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now? Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie.
Several other things happened after that regarding Onegua and debears, but let's come back to those later. The last thing in this storyline was Onegu abandoning his debears lynch in order to propose a lynch on the 2 post coinflip lynch, FT. Why? Up till that point Onegu had never retracted his stance on debears. When I asked about it, Onegu said he changed his mind on debears due to this post. Well.... there's not much alignment indicative information in that response for two reasons. The first is that the debears post in question (Hapa and I talked about it) had already been a talking point so I can;'t exactly credit Onegue for "making a read." The second reason is that Onegu never said anything about dropping debears as a scumread. I think this is pretty fishy, at best it's null.
The second example is far more damning. It relates to yet again, Onegu having a scumread and not considering that read as a lynch option. Here is what Onegu had to say about Hopeless. I think this was around the time when Onegu returned from a moderate posting break.
On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:
Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum.
"Hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum."
What do you do when someone has a good chance of flipping scum? You lynch them! What does Onegu do?
On August 30 2013 16:16 Onegu wrote:
Anyway I have a doctors appointment, and am then going to celebrated my birthday belatedly, when I get back I will look into syl and everyone else. Wtf are you doing FT? Do something or die.
##VOTE:FirmTofu
This post happened 30 minutes after Onegu can be quoted saying that "hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What else does Onegu have to say about Hopeless?
On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid.
This obviously came after hopeless dropped out. Onegu's point is that we shouldn't give Alakaslam any leeway for being a replacement. If this is truly Onegu's opinion then I would expect him to still be vocal about considering an Alakaslam lynch, which he wasn't. He made several posts about Hopeless's scumminess throughout D1, but he never showed any interest in lynching him. The same thing goes for the debears read, although that is tricker due to Onegu's non-confirmable explanation.
Summary:
Onegu is not pushing candidates that line up with his scumreads. There was the weirdness with debears, and the multiple instances of Onegu saying that Hopeless is a good lynch, but when it's time to pick a candidate Onegue settles for FT. When Onegu made this decision FT had all of two posts. Why would a townie think one player has a good chance of flipping scum, but then decide to lynch a coinflip lurker who has 2 posts?
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On August 31 2013 10:45 sciberbia wrote:
god night-time is no fun
I'm here baby, and I'm ready and willing to satisfy all of your darkest, most primal mafia-related fantasies.
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Debears I'd like to know your comprehensive thoughts on Onegu. If the Marv read still tickles your fancy then I want to know about that as well.
It's night time so obviously there's no rush to force anything if you are ill-prepared... just whenever you get around to it.
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Hey guys, wtf happened in the last 18 pages... There were literally 3 or 4 different wagons going on and they were flipping every hour?
@Tutan, I was saying that before...
Anyways, everyone was complaining that I didn't comment on Hopeless. At the time I was going to read his filter again, he got replaced. I don't even know what to say in that kind of situation. Are we supposed to wait for Slam to comment on the happenings of town? Was I supposed to put down a vote on Alakaslam in the 1 hour the was in the game before I slept because he was being useless and Hopeless wasn't exactly the most townie character in the game? I probably should've actually said that I wasn't going to vote for Slam to see what he said, but I didn't even wake up in time for the deadline T_T.
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On August 31 2013 11:25 Sylencia wrote:
@Tutan, I was saying that before...
If so, then sorry. Ever since rayn returned midway through D1 I've had a hard time focusing on anything but him.
As a matter of fact, I sorta went over this with Onegu himself, albeit in a condensed format. Anyone who is interested in reading for context should start here.
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On August 31 2013 11:13 Tutankoopa wrote:Onegu is mafia. Alakaslam is probably mafia too but right now I want get the Onegu conversation out of the way. There's a general pattern in Onegu's play, and it has to do with what lynches he's pushed, or rather, not pushed. There are two good examples of what I'm talking about. Onegu made the following post about debears at the start of the game. Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote:On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu
You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now? Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie. Several other things happened after that regarding Onegua and debears, but let's come back to those later. The last thing in this storyline was Onegu abandoning his debears lynch in order to propose a lynch on the 2 post coinflip lynch, FT. Why? Up till that point Onegu had never retracted his stance on debears. When I asked about it, Onegu said he changed his mind on debears due to this post. Well.... there's not much alignment indicative information in that response for two reasons. The first is that the debears post in question (Hapa and I talked about it) had already been a talking point so I can;'t exactly credit Onegue for "making a read." The second reason is that Onegu never said anything about dropping debears as a scumread. I think this is pretty fishy, at best it's null. The second example is far more damning. It relates to yet again, Onegu having a scumread and not considering that read as a lynch option. Here is what Onegu had to say about Hopeless. I think this was around the time when Onegu returned from a moderate posting break. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:
Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum.
"Hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What do you do when someone has a good chance of flipping scum? You lynch them! What does Onegu do? Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 16:16 Onegu wrote:
Anyway I have a doctors appointment, and am then going to celebrated my birthday belatedly, when I get back I will look into syl and everyone else. Wtf are you doing FT? Do something or die.
##VOTE:FirmTofu This post happened 30 minutes after Onegu can be quoted saying that "hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What else does Onegu have to say about Hopeless? Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid. This obviously came after hopeless dropped out. Onegu's point is that we shouldn't give Alakaslam any leeway for being a replacement. If this is truly Onegu's opinion then I would expect him to still be vocal about considering an Alakaslam lynch, which he wasn't. He made several posts about Hopeless's scumminess throughout D1, but he never showed any interest in lynching him. The same thing goes for the debears read, although that is tricker due to Onegu's non-confirmable explanation. Summary:Onegu is not pushing candidates that line up with his scumreads. There was the weirdness with debears, and the multiple instances of Onegu saying that Hopeless is a good lynch, but when it's time to pick a candidate Onegue settles for FT. When Onegu made this decision FT had all of two posts. Why would a townie think one player has a good chance of flipping scum, but then decide to lynch a coinflip lurker who has 2 posts?
How am I not pushing my scum reads I also said FT had a good chance to flip scum, then he came back and placed his vote down with no reason, he deserved to die for his play it was scummy. And when I first unvoted him I was decideing between syl and alakaslam. Then FT made the vote with no backup after I said if he comes back my vote will go right back on him.
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The one I'm currently worried about though is Slam, look at this filter coming into this game - absolute spam :|
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On August 31 2013 11:33 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 11:13 Tutankoopa wrote:Onegu is mafia. Alakaslam is probably mafia too but right now I want get the Onegu conversation out of the way. There's a general pattern in Onegu's play, and it has to do with what lynches he's pushed, or rather, not pushed. There are two good examples of what I'm talking about. Onegu made the following post about debears at the start of the game. On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote:On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu
You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now? Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie. Several other things happened after that regarding Onegua and debears, but let's come back to those later. The last thing in this storyline was Onegu abandoning his debears lynch in order to propose a lynch on the 2 post coinflip lynch, FT. Why? Up till that point Onegu had never retracted his stance on debears. When I asked about it, Onegu said he changed his mind on debears due to this post. Well.... there's not much alignment indicative information in that response for two reasons. The first is that the debears post in question (Hapa and I talked about it) had already been a talking point so I can;'t exactly credit Onegue for "making a read." The second reason is that Onegu never said anything about dropping debears as a scumread. I think this is pretty fishy, at best it's null. The second example is far more damning. It relates to yet again, Onegu having a scumread and not considering that read as a lynch option. Here is what Onegu had to say about Hopeless. I think this was around the time when Onegu returned from a moderate posting break. On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:
Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum.
"Hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What do you do when someone has a good chance of flipping scum? You lynch them! What does Onegu do? On August 30 2013 16:16 Onegu wrote:
Anyway I have a doctors appointment, and am then going to celebrated my birthday belatedly, when I get back I will look into syl and everyone else. Wtf are you doing FT? Do something or die.
##VOTE:FirmTofu This post happened 30 minutes after Onegu can be quoted saying that "hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What else does Onegu have to say about Hopeless? On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid. This obviously came after hopeless dropped out. Onegu's point is that we shouldn't give Alakaslam any leeway for being a replacement. If this is truly Onegu's opinion then I would expect him to still be vocal about considering an Alakaslam lynch, which he wasn't. He made several posts about Hopeless's scumminess throughout D1, but he never showed any interest in lynching him. The same thing goes for the debears read, although that is tricker due to Onegu's non-confirmable explanation. Summary:Onegu is not pushing candidates that line up with his scumreads. There was the weirdness with debears, and the multiple instances of Onegu saying that Hopeless is a good lynch, but when it's time to pick a candidate Onegue settles for FT. When Onegu made this decision FT had all of two posts. Why would a townie think one player has a good chance of flipping scum, but then decide to lynch a coinflip lurker who has 2 posts? How am I not pushing my scum reads I also said FT had a good chance to flip scum, then he came back and placed his vote down with no reason, he deserved to die for his play it was scummy. And when I first unvoted him I was decideing between syl and alakaslam. Then FT made the vote with no backup after I said if he comes back my vote will go right back on him.
Saying that FT had a good chance to flip mafia is worthless if you don't back it up with an explanation. I asked you for an explanation and you posted things such as:
On August 30 2013 16:52 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 16:42 Tutankoopa wrote:
He should be lynched instead of anyone else? How many hrs will you be away? I hate letting lurkers into lylo especially ones that are somewhat scummy. But maybe not today for him as I also think hopeless looks bad, and I havent looked at syl close yet. Ill be gone maybe 4-6 hours. But he really needs to do something.
On August 30 2013 16:39 Onegu wrote:
I think he should be lynched as hasnt done much of anything, this reminds me of DI in NWM when he flipped mafia but I guess that was DI meta. I just want him to do something so we can get a betterread on him. But after rayne had me go and read some of his other filters he looks slightly scummy for his first post. But really not have time to expqnd more on this yet.
I don't see your reasoning for thinking that FT had a good chance to flip mafia? How could he have? He had two posts. What was going on in your head at the time? What specific reasons did you have for thinking FT was mafia at that exact moment in the thread? I don't see how you could have possibly been more confident in your FT read than in your Hopeless read or any other read.
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On August 31 2013 11:45 Sylencia wrote:
The one I'm currently worried about though is Slam, look at this filter coming into this game - absolute spam :|
Welcome to the world of alakaslam, at least he hasnt posted 12 youtube videos and talked about svengali 50 times.
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On August 31 2013 11:45 Sylencia wrote:
The one I'm currently worried about though is Slam, look at this filter coming into this game - absolute spam :|
Yeah. I think they are both mafia. I also think there's nothing that can be said about Alakaslam until he starts posting reads so I'd rather talk about Onegu until then.
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On August 31 2013 11:48 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 11:33 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 11:13 Tutankoopa wrote:Onegu is mafia. Alakaslam is probably mafia too but right now I want get the Onegu conversation out of the way. There's a general pattern in Onegu's play, and it has to do with what lynches he's pushed, or rather, not pushed. There are two good examples of what I'm talking about. Onegu made the following post about debears at the start of the game. On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote:On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu
You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now? Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie. Several other things happened after that regarding Onegua and debears, but let's come back to those later. The last thing in this storyline was Onegu abandoning his debears lynch in order to propose a lynch on the 2 post coinflip lynch, FT. Why? Up till that point Onegu had never retracted his stance on debears. When I asked about it, Onegu said he changed his mind on debears due to this post. Well.... there's not much alignment indicative information in that response for two reasons. The first is that the debears post in question (Hapa and I talked about it) had already been a talking point so I can;'t exactly credit Onegue for "making a read." The second reason is that Onegu never said anything about dropping debears as a scumread. I think this is pretty fishy, at best it's null. The second example is far more damning. It relates to yet again, Onegu having a scumread and not considering that read as a lynch option. Here is what Onegu had to say about Hopeless. I think this was around the time when Onegu returned from a moderate posting break. On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:
Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum.
"Hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What do you do when someone has a good chance of flipping scum? You lynch them! What does Onegu do? On August 30 2013 16:16 Onegu wrote:
Anyway I have a doctors appointment, and am then going to celebrated my birthday belatedly, when I get back I will look into syl and everyone else. Wtf are you doing FT? Do something or die.
##VOTE:FirmTofu This post happened 30 minutes after Onegu can be quoted saying that "hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What else does Onegu have to say about Hopeless? On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid. This obviously came after hopeless dropped out. Onegu's point is that we shouldn't give Alakaslam any leeway for being a replacement. If this is truly Onegu's opinion then I would expect him to still be vocal about considering an Alakaslam lynch, which he wasn't. He made several posts about Hopeless's scumminess throughout D1, but he never showed any interest in lynching him. The same thing goes for the debears read, although that is tricker due to Onegu's non-confirmable explanation. Summary:Onegu is not pushing candidates that line up with his scumreads. There was the weirdness with debears, and the multiple instances of Onegu saying that Hopeless is a good lynch, but when it's time to pick a candidate Onegue settles for FT. When Onegu made this decision FT had all of two posts. Why would a townie think one player has a good chance of flipping scum, but then decide to lynch a coinflip lurker who has 2 posts? How am I not pushing my scum reads I also said FT had a good chance to flip scum, then he came back and placed his vote down with no reason, he deserved to die for his play it was scummy. And when I first unvoted him I was decideing between syl and alakaslam. Then FT made the vote with no backup after I said if he comes back my vote will go right back on him. Saying that FT had a good chance to flip mafia is worthless if you don't back it up with an explanation. I asked you for an explanation and you posted things such as: Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 16:52 Onegu wrote:On August 30 2013 16:42 Tutankoopa wrote:
He should be lynched instead of anyone else? How many hrs will you be away? I hate letting lurkers into lylo especially ones that are somewhat scummy. But maybe not today for him as I also think hopeless looks bad, and I havent looked at syl close yet. Ill be gone maybe 4-6 hours. But he really needs to do something. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 16:39 Onegu wrote:
I think he should be lynched as hasnt done much of anything, this reminds me of DI in NWM when he flipped mafia but I guess that was DI meta. I just want him to do something so we can get a betterread on him. But after rayne had me go and read some of his other filters he looks slightly scummy for his first post. But really not have time to expqnd more on this yet. I don't see your reasoning for thinking that FT had a good chance to flip mafia? How could he have? He had two posts. What was going on in your head at the time? What specific reasons did you have for thinking FT was mafia at that exact moment in the thread? I don't see how you could have possibly been more confident in your FT read than in your Hopeless read or any other read.
It was mostly meta on him as I have played alot with him. And I was about even on him and hopeless as scum. And there was zero town motivation for him to make the first post calling out rayne promise to post his thoughts then post a post that does nothing, and leave. And like I said I dont want a scummy lurker at lylo
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Meta on somebody who had posted twice?
That's the core of the issue. I mean... I have a hard time believing you had a real read on FT.
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On August 31 2013 12:18 Tutankoopa wrote:
Meta on somebody who had posted twice?
That's the core of the issue. I mean... I have a hard time believing you had a real read on FT.
So you think rayne is scum?
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On August 31 2013 12:33 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 12:18 Tutankoopa wrote:
Meta on somebody who had posted twice?
That's the core of the issue. I mean... I have a hard time believing you had a real read on FT. So you think rayne is scum?
What? No, I've not said this. How is this relevant?
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On August 29 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have a point in FT, Sylencia. I have strong meta-reasons to believe he is scum.
I still don't get the Sn0 part. I get why you think it's beneficial for him to unvote as mafia before leaving, but why would he make the vote on the first place? And why would he unvote in the manner he did as at that time i (and also marv) thought exactly the same thing about sciberbia's post Sno is talking about?
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