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On September 05 2013 06:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Actually Sn0, have you ever played a scum-game on this site?
Yeah I replaced into a newbie as scum. Town literally had the game solved by votes when I replaced in tho 
I played scum very aggressively, trying to own town and force them into lynches that I wanted. I was the loudest voice in the thread, complaining about every bit of bad play from all these people and how they were much better lynches than my scumbuddy. Probably a mistake in hindsight but that was about it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399518¤tpage=56#1110 <- replacement post of the thread
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Well my scum-read was a red-checked spammer who single-handedly drove home an unpopular mislynch day 1. No points for guessing who that was.
That really isn't relevant to this game. I was merely explaining why I felt the need to be more active last game and why this game I've been fairly spectatorial.
Either way, I'm out for a bit.
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Guys, its simple setup speculation... This is the shit I do in these games
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On September 05 2013 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sylencia are you okay with getting lynched and marv being the second highest vote candidate?
This actually seems like a reasonable plan.
If we are at 800 water level (we are), then lynching syl gives us 900 water level according to his claim, but would kill marv (in the situation we outlined). Assuming scum NK's score 50 water (which I've mentioned before is what I believe), we couldn't go above 950 water before we get another shot at lynching UNLESS scum have an ability to add water, but based on the rest of the setup I'd guess any such ability would be "conditional" on 250 or less water.
Problems: Scum could totally have a way to boost water, and if marv and syl are both town then we lose since even if the water level doesn't go up we end up @ 3-3 next day. Oh yeah, and we have to get scum on board this plan which seems quite unlikely. All they have to do is affect the 2ndary lynch target and we lose. This part sucks. I think claiming lynchproof might be a mistake TBH.
I kinda liked how this hedges our bets regarding syl though. Too bad.
Of note, I still haven't figured out how rayn's vet claim can possibly make sense. Scum can't have multiple factional KP since that would enable a D2 town loss, so it would have to be a non-conditional (1-shot?) scum vig.
@Hapa: is your medic protection good for 1KP or all KP that night?
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Rayn 8 consecutive posts might be stretching it.
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On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote:
Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation.
##VOTE SYLENCIA
Huh. WELL GUYS WE FOUND SCUM
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I'll admit he said he would be here then peaced. I don't see that as a scumclaim though.
Reading Onegu though... yeah thats scum.
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Because if we lynch syl and his claim is true it should be easy for scum to orchestrate the secondary candidate (given that they have 3/8 of the vote right now). Which means that we lose on the spot. But Onegu doesn't want us to think about that, he wants us to JUST VOTE SYL so that his scumteam can be the ones to choose the secondary lynch. It is very very far from a No-Lose situation.
You can taste his eagerness to get this mislynch going. He is far far too excited about this considering the information available to town.
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In literally every situation you can think of where town!syl is to be lynched 3 scum can last-minute fuck with the vote and get a townie lynched. At no cost since they win the game as soon as that lynch goes down.
Actually there is kinda one where that isn't the case but we have to have scum nailed down to 3 of 5 players and make them all be on syl. Not worth trying. Essentially, we can't do your plan.
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On September 06 2013 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man, would you agree with me, you and Hapa voting for marv and every other person voting for Sylencia?
Probably not. Seems unecessarily risky and people wouldn't go along I don't think. If the other 5 all appeared on syl right now I'd just be more worried that you are scum and could mess it up. Scum aren't gonna fall in line with a plan that screws them over.
Its not that I think you are certainly scum (if I did I'd try to lynch you) but I hold doubts about you. That vet claim among them.
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4-4 lets scum transition it to 3 syl 3 somebody else without too much effort I don't think.
Yes, this is only if syl's claim is true but what I'm saying is that we have to judge syl based on other stuff because we can't afford to test his claim.
It feels too risky. I'm not certain enough about reads and I feel like any plan that is public in the thread like this can be circumvented by scum. I'd consider it if it was literally everybody doing exactly what hapa said. Thats about the only way. Even then I'm not sure I'm sold on him getting it right.
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Its in the OP rayn. X gets lynched.
Besides, I'm now quite sure onegu is scum. He simply sounded like a small child who had just been given a fistful of candy when the idea to split votes syl-marv came up. Too certain of impending victory. Its not how he's played all game, and its not something he would do as town.
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Re reading, maybe I'm seeing what I want to see in onegu as opposed to what is there, but I seriously see his post as a huge "ZOMG FREE WIN" post. If you consider what he is saying, it makes so much sense for that to come from maf.
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Rayn I honestly don't believe a single thing you say with respect to blue roles. I finally see what you were doing with veteran but you seem to not understand that that shit HURTS TOWN and doesn't achieve your goals with respect to screwing with mafia's head.
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I just did. I'm also waiting for hapa to discuss any kind of weird-ass vanilla claim.
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Hmmmm rayn finally did somethign that makes some amount of sense. Still a bad play but it finally makes a bit of sense.
Rayn is saying that the host provided him a "VT" claim. I find that hard to believe so right now I'm going with "rayn is making up shit hoping Syl will provide a fake VT claim which would prove him maf".
Sorry rayn, i gave away ur game because ur really annoying.
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And because its not helping town right now
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Whys onegu town?
He is seriously advocating F5-wars at the deadline to prevent us from outright losing if scum are faster.
L.M.A.O
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I'd really like to be discussing this with hapa.
@Syl I think he wants a VT name lol. which makes no sense. Whys it that I want to lynch rayn more every time he pulls this shit?
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Onegu bcuz last 2/3 pages, Marv cuz thread isn't working and gut, +1 unsure maybe you or thrawn or some shit.
Syl looks pretty good tbh due to the last 3 pages. Hapa conftown. Yam... I don't see him being scum but that could change. He doesn't make sense in a team with my other reads.
I told you, I'm having a bad time trying to establish who the fuck is scum this game. Onegu ain't hard tho.
PS its hard not to just go full omgus because I know I'm town and I know I look lynchable so people pushing for my lynch look to me like scum going for dat ez win.
PPS people who are trying to say that me being aware of people's reads on me makes me scum (aka thrawns case on me) are full of shit. Reading the thread isn't a scumtell.
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