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On September 02 2013 12:46 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +@hapa
Who would you rather lynch between Oats and yamato? I think they're both scum. If had to choose between the two, probably yamato, since useless = scum for him as a meta-point. However I'm not entirely convinced about either, and I'd probably lean towards lynching Slam at this point. We had a good case on hopeless, and his successor has literally done nothing up until this point.
I mean, does this post sound like a town-hapa mentality?
Don't you remember RTP where you both were town and I was mafia? He went after me the WHOLE DAY. He certainly didn't just have this weak ass read and let it flop about like a dead fish.
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When I look at Duel Mini and this game, I see a Hapa that has played quite similarly.
He begins the game (or shortly after) with a terrible case on someone (debears this game, iamp that game), and is then scrutinized for it. Hapa's defense this game was, "well I do this as town, too!" which is onyl somewhat true. As town, he pressures things that ACTUALLY ARE scummy, but as I pointed out early on D1, his case on debears was absolute dogshit and seems completely fabricated.
He attempts his best to seem somewhat "pro-town" without actually leading discussion in a useful direction. In the beginning of both of these games, he makes a post like this:
On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me.
Where he attempts to look like a "peacemaker" between two headstrong townies. But what is noticeably missing from his play in Duel and his play this game (on D2 at least) is real discussion about his lynch targets. All of today he's spent talking about me/Oats, yet he makes the post I quoted in the last post I made saying he doesn't even want to lynch us. Why?
He also avoids direct confrontation with me for an extended period of time. EVERY TIME I've questioned his read of me this game, he's failed to respond. In fact, he's generally not even talking TO ME, just ABOUT me. What made him rescind his town read of me on D1? Has he explained that? Why is a period of inactivity from me so detrimental to his read of me that I went from relatively sure town to "maybe scum" over the period of ~24 hours?
He did MUCH THE SAME THING in Duel. And I caught him the same way! His read of me was ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT and not logically explained whatsoever, and when I called him out on it, he deflected. So I dueled him. And got him lynched. This game feels eerily similar to how that played out, only he has yet to hang for his crimes.
So let's change that.
##Vote Hapahauli
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On September 03 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:
yam, I've got nowhere near enough to lynch Hapa today.
And by that I mean I think Hapa is town. Or at least not mafia.
Why do you think Hapa is town?
I guarantee I can deconstruct your townread of him with just posts from his filter in Duel.
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On September 03 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 00:40 yamato77 wrote:On September 03 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:
yam, I've got nowhere near enough to lynch Hapa today.
And by that I mean I think Hapa is town. Or at least not mafia. Why do you think Hapa is town? I guarantee I can deconstruct your townread of him with just posts from his filter in Duel. I was in Duel, and it didn't feel the same as this. I don't really know what else to say right now.
You also died N1, and aren't me. Yes, a lot of this is subjective. That's mafia.
Trust me, Marv. I can read Hapa. I've never thought Hapa was scum past D1 in a game we were both town before.
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On September 03 2013 00:51 marvellosity wrote:
if he's mafia he's significantly upped his game imo.
It's not completely out of the question, is it?
I mean, I fooled you for at least a little while in PMs in Sicilian, no?
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He had 6.5 in Mario as mafia in just one cycle
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Plus, only you or Hapa would be good enough scum to shoot + roleblock debears.
Come on.
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On September 01 2013 08:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Welll... sweet.
Doesn't this seem to you like he was expecting something else from the daypost?
It's just a weird fucking post as town to make. When I see "Welll..." I think hesitancy or disappointment. Why are either of those things townie reactions to a daypost with no deaths?
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On September 03 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 01:00 yamato77 wrote:
Plus, only you or Hapa would be good enough scum to shoot + roleblock debears.
Come on. And yet bad enough to miss his crumb that had an underline and a double e in the same sentence?
Do you disagree with how I analysed the NKs?
If you don't, then honestly, I don't think anyone who hasn't been around for quite a while would know to shoot + roleblock. MAYBE scib would be experienced enough as mafia, but I really feel like it's Hapa.
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On September 03 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote:
yamato, i see shoot+roleblocks in newbies for god's sakes, I'm not lynching on that.
that's not even the whole argument
each piece is weak on its own, but together they all paint the same picture
hapa is mafia
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I have to sleep at some point, fuck
you idiots are going to lynch some random noob again
zzz
Hapa plz shoot me
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On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?
This is why I pushed Hapascum
Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture
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On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats? This is why I pushed Hapascum Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?
I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.
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On September 03 2013 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato do you think marv is town?
Yes
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On September 03 2013 08:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats? This is why I pushed Hapascum Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not? I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you. And I'm not impressed you made a case, afked, and didn't give a single fuck about the lynch.
I made a case, pushed the case, left my vote on mafia, and then had to go to sleep for at least a few hours. I slept 5 hours.
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On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats? This is why I pushed Hapascum Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not? I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you. Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something. SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are. As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game: Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence. I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read. Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down. @scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now. ... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.
I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this.
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On September 03 2013 08:35 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.
SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are. I want to +1 this. If you guys knew my name+alignment you'd probably be lynching me on the fact that I haven't been foaming at the mouth for much of this game. People don't seem to care lately with the exception of scib all game long and hapa just recently. I have no idea what's causing this, but discussion in this game has proven to be entirely unhelpful. I'm gonna re-read the entire thread sometime before D3 and if anyone has the time, I'd like them to do the same.
The game is probably over at the daypost.
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We probably lose at daypost if a townie dies, but whatever. I'll give out my non-Hapa reads.
Sn0 looks like mafia. 4 page filter for day 1, and managed to find himself on both town wagons. Since then, he's done absolutely nothing except decide that Oats was a better lynch than Slam out of nowhere.
If I'm right about Sn0, Slam is also probably mafia. Has done nothing all game and is even less useful than he is in Aperture at any given time. Hopeless was also the main lynch target D1, and him replacing out seems more likely if he is mafia than if he is town in that situation.
TK being thrawn means he's almost certainly not scum, but I still like my 3P read on him. He gives just enough of a fuck that I'm sure this isn't scum thrawn, but not enough for me to want to give him a town read. I feel like he's posted more out of a survival instinct than anything.
Also, still rather convinced of Hapa. I don't see scib/debears/marv/rayn/syl as mafia. Onegu mighty be mafia who is bussing Slam for THE CREDZ but I like my conspiracy theories better.
Anyway, GG scum, you played well.
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