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Finland43268 Posts
On August 31 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
I didn't get your "ironclad" case last game rayn and I promise I re-read this one for you and still don't get it this game.
You are fortunate that I have last game to rely on or else I'd be working on your lynch I think.
@Tofu: yamato has a huge spat with marv/hapa for a bit this game. Enough to try and look townie, but not enough to really convince me. Its way more than last game though. I had questions at the start tho.
Man, i am not stupid.
read the case and pages 8-10 of the game, and think about what Tutankoopa says and how does he act.
Ask yourself; Does what he says to me make sense compared to how he acts?
Townies do not forget their intentions behind actions, mafia does (or does not have them).
Think about it.
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Finland43268 Posts
On August 31 2013 05:05 debears wrote:
lynch is in three hours right?
I might do my dark horse candidate by then if we cant get the syl lynch
btw raynp. Would you be willing to put your life on the line if you got the tk lynch and he was town?
yes.
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On August 31 2013 05:05 Onegu wrote:
Ok its 3am I need to get some sleep now, with how FT is giving his reads now with zero rhyme or reason to them make me lean scum, also we disagree about yamato. The post about figureing out marv and hapa is nothing like his recent scum games.
Please if you do not have a strong scumread sheep me ok?
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OK rayn due to your vehement request, I reread TK's filter and I've conducted a fairly thorough investigation into this TK 'lie' you are referring to.
I maintain that there is no lie, TK could most certainly be town, and I still don't see any good reason to lynch him today.
First of all, he was correct in saying this
You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions.
See this sequence of quotes for reference+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? On August 29 2013 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait wait. What was the policy in your mind? On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...
Second of all, his story checks out. He said he didn't get the damning response for Hopeless that he was fishing for, so there was no reason to follow up on his questions to hopeless.
But he still didn't like that he had to explain why he asked those questions, because it gave away one of his scumhunting strategies to the scumteam.
On August 30 2013 22:54 Tutankoopa wrote:
Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game.
I'm open to you explaining why my explanation of TK's statements doesn't make sense, but I cannot see any problem with his story.
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On August 31 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:05 debears wrote:
lynch is in three hours right?
I might do my dark horse candidate by then if we cant get the syl lynch
btw raynp. Would you be willing to put your life on the line if you got the tk lynch and he was town? yes.
He said this last game and was both wrong and never got lynched (eventual NK).
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On August 31 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
I didn't get your "ironclad" case last game rayn and I promise I re-read this one for you and still don't get it this game.
You are fortunate that I have last game to rely on or else I'd be working on your lynch I think.
@Tofu: yamato has a huge spat with marv/hapa for a bit this game. Enough to try and look townie, but not enough to really convince me. Its way more than last game though. I had questions at the start tho. Man, i am not stupid. read the case and pages 8-10 of the game, and think about what Tutankoopa says and how does he act. Ask yourself; Does what he says to me make sense compared to how he acts? Townies do not forget their intentions behind actions, mafia does (or does not have them).Think about it.
That bolded statement is simply not true. Townies are human - they forget all the time. Especially when put under pressure, it can be hard for people to find the motivation or the presence of mind to keep a story 100% straight. Every time I read that exchange you harp on about in your case, that's what I think. TK just seems annoyed at dealing with you as opposed to him making some calculated lie.
Maybe TK is scum, but what you have isn't a strong case, and isn't really a case at all.
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Finland43268 Posts
On August 31 2013 05:08 sciberbia wrote:OK rayn due to your vehement request, I reread TK's filter and I've conducted a fairly thorough investigation into this TK 'lie' you are referring to. I maintain that there is no lie, TK could most certainly be town, and I still don't see any good reason to lynch him today. First of all, he was correct in saying this Show nested quote +You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. See this sequence of quotes for reference + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? On August 29 2013 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait wait. What was the policy in your mind? On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... Second of all, his story checks out. He said he didn't get the damning response for Hopeless that he was fishing for, so there was no reason to follow up on his questions to hopeless. But he still didn't like that he had to explain why he asked those questions, because it gave away one of his scumhunting strategies to the scumteam. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 22:54 Tutankoopa wrote:
Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. I'm open to you explaining why my explanation of TK's statements doesn't make sense, but I cannot see any problem with his story.
No sciberbia. I asked Tutankhamon what he thought the policy was, because i did not understand the question to Hopeless (why the fuck would you think i would have asked him that otherwise?).
The bolded part you quote and what you say about it is bs, he uses the phrase "a while longer", that does not mean he has some "ultimate scumhunting methods" and he is cleary referring to this situation, as he says later in his post:
"Anyways, as the ship sailed already, here is my answer"......
Are you scum?
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Vote Count
Sn0_Man (0) raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (0) yamato77 tutankoopa
tutankoopa (3) Oatsmaster Alakaslam raynpelikoneet FirmTofu raynpelikoneet
Sciberbia (0) sn0_Man raynpelikoneet debears
marvellosity (0) yamato77
debears (0) Hapahauli
Sylencia (1) debears raynpelikoneet
yamato (0) marvellosity
Alakaslam (1) sciberbia Hapahauli Oatsmaster
FirmTofu (2) Onegu yamato77 Onegu
Onegu (1) Sylencia
not voting (5) sn0_Man tutankoopa marvellosity Hapahauli sciberbia
tutankoopa is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
Voting is mandatory, please let me know if I missed anyone
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Oh my god you are going inception-level depth in to this.
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Finland43268 Posts
On August 31 2013 05:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 31 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
I didn't get your "ironclad" case last game rayn and I promise I re-read this one for you and still don't get it this game.
You are fortunate that I have last game to rely on or else I'd be working on your lynch I think.
@Tofu: yamato has a huge spat with marv/hapa for a bit this game. Enough to try and look townie, but not enough to really convince me. Its way more than last game though. I had questions at the start tho. Man, i am not stupid. read the case and pages 8-10 of the game, and think about what Tutankoopa says and how does he act. Ask yourself; Does what he says to me make sense compared to how he acts? Townies do not forget their intentions behind actions, mafia does (or does not have them).Think about it. That bolded statement is simply not true. Townies are human - they forget all the time. Especially when put under pressure, it can be hard for people to find the motivation or the presence of mind to keep a story 100% straight. Every time I read that exchange you harp on about in your case, that's what I think. TK just seems annoyed at dealing with you as opposed to him making some calculated lie. Maybe TK is scum, but what you have isn't a strong case, and isn't really a case at all.
uhh..
i give up.
at least lynch Sylencia then. I am far more convinced of TK, marv, and scib's last post is full of crap defending someone with bullshit.
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@ Oats, TK, and FT
You guys around? Where'd you all run off to?
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Finland43268 Posts
what Hapa, what is the exchabnge you are talking about?
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Well as far as I'm concerned all of a sudden we have too many reasonable lynches lol (aka our votes are spread already :/).
Syl/FT/Alakaslam are all people I'd lynch plus we have a fair portion tunnelled on koopa.
Since not having my vote on anybody makes it a bit harder for consolidation, I'm going to
##Vote: Alakaslam
however I'm currently quite willing to be convinced on any of those 3.
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On August 31 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what Hapa, what is the exchabnge you are talking about?
The TK/Hopeless exchange in your last case.
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On August 31 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well as far as I'm concerned all of a sudden we have too many reasonable lynches lol (aka our votes are spread already :/).
Syl/FT/Alakaslam are all people I'd lynch plus we have a fair portion tunnelled on koopa.
Since not having my vote on anybody makes it a bit harder for consolidation, I'm going to
##Vote: Alakaslam
however I'm currently quite willing to be convinced on any of those 3.
We don't need to consolidate yet. I suspect we'll have a solid bloc of voters come deadline.
Although Alakaslam peacing out and not doing anything right now is bothersome.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:08 sciberbia wrote:OK rayn due to your vehement request, I reread TK's filter and I've conducted a fairly thorough investigation into this TK 'lie' you are referring to. I maintain that there is no lie, TK could most certainly be town, and I still don't see any good reason to lynch him today. First of all, he was correct in saying this You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. See this sequence of quotes for reference + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? On August 29 2013 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait wait. What was the policy in your mind? On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... Second of all, his story checks out. He said he didn't get the damning response for Hopeless that he was fishing for, so there was no reason to follow up on his questions to hopeless. But he still didn't like that he had to explain why he asked those questions, because it gave away one of his scumhunting strategies to the scumteam. On August 30 2013 22:54 Tutankoopa wrote:
Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. I'm open to you explaining why my explanation of TK's statements doesn't make sense, but I cannot see any problem with his story. No sciberbia. I asked Tutankhamon what he thought the policy was, because i did not understand the question to Hopeless (why the fuck would you think i would have asked him that otherwise?). The bolded part you quote and what you say about it is bs, he uses the phrase "a while longer", that does not mean he has some "ultimate scumhunting methods" and he is cleary referring to this situation, as he says later in his post: "Anyways, as the ship sailed already, here is my answer"...... Are you scum?
@rayn
I totally understand why you asked TK the question you did, but you cannot dispute the fact that you did in fact start asking TK questions about his hopeless post before hopeless had a chance to answer. This IMO means TK did not lie to you.
I don't think the stuff that I bolded is complete BS. I sympathize with what he is saying. He was fishing for a damning response from Hopeless. He didn't get it, but he still didn't want to explain what he was fishing for, because then all the fish would leave and he would never be able to catch another fish with the same fishing rod.
If you're right about him rayn then he has me fooled. I'm leaning town on him and I don't want to lynch him today. I need to figure out who I want to lynch so I'm done talking about TK for now -- he can defend himself. I'll be open to persuasion again tomorrow.
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I think I"m down to Syl/Oats (and maybe FT) right now.
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And I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me scum for actually looking through your filters, seeing what you're talking about, and explaining why I don't think it makes TK scum, which nobody else has been willing to do.
For people that leave Oats off their list of willing to lynch, why is that?
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Hi, I'm back and sweaty, you lucky things.
Question one: why is Firm asking about sciberbia's meta with regards to posting 'formally' and what have you when it's been talked about at least twice in the thread already?
Secondly, remember when you talked, rayn, about how you just shout louder than the rest of people and get your lynch just by shouting? Well, hi there.
Couple of things I agreed with as I read them, can't remember who said them now - I think Onegu is looking better than I thought earlier in the cycle, his posting seems more sincere and pointed than his first, quite wishy washy post.
Also agree with... Hapa? on oats' 'half-heartedness'. Syl doesn't look great to me but he's posting too much for Syl to be a particularly good lynch today, I think I agree with yamato on that one.
Slammy has posted but nothing of substance, I still think he's a pretty good lynch. Gonna check me out some Oats stuffs. Here for talkies as well.
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Alrighty imma take a quick shower (really need a break) and then figure out where we should go here.
Between what Onegu said to me last night, and the thing hapa said about the replacement today, I don't feel so great about a hopeless lynch.
FT is on the scummy side of null for not doing jack shit all game and making our lives difficult, but I don't think there's enough in his filter to make a lynch on him a smart option today.
I think I want to go with either a sylencia lynch or an oats lynch. I still need to look more into oats. brb.
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