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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:01 GMT
#2651
Then why the fuck are you voting for yamato?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:05 GMT
#2653
Okay that does it:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Onegu
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:07 GMT
#2655
Why the fuck would you, as town, in MYLO, say "I think Sno is scum, i'm okay with no-lynch, i am voting for yamato"??
Why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:09 GMT
#2658
On September 12 2013 00:07 Onegu wrote:
Mostly because you are so sure. And when I tried to change your mind to a sn0 lynch you countered me hard, said sn0 was town and Yamato scum, and since I wasnt sure 100% on sn0 I went with the lynch that was going to happen, as I have said yamato has a chance to flip scum also Im just not convinced yet.

Well now, (1) answer yamato's case on you please. Then (2) tell me why someone is scum in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:14 GMT
#2660
In the meantime, yamato:
1) Why did you not explain your read on Sno to Hapa when he asked about it (besides me) multiple times?
2) What was your thought process of me being scum on N2-D3 start given that i saved Oats on D1?
3) Why did you do nothing in the game for 5 irl days D3 ->?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:15 GMT
#2661
EBWOP: 4) Why did you think Hapa is scum on N3?
5) Why did you think Thrawn is scum on D3-D5?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:22 GMT
#2665
On September 12 2013 00:17 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In the meantime, yamato:
1) Why did you not explain your read on Sno to Hapa when he asked about it (besides me) multiple times?
2) What was your thought process of me being scum on N2-D3 start given that i saved Oats on D1?
3) Why did you do nothing in the game for 5 irl days D3 ->?

i explained my read of sn0, period. we had this discussion. I rescinded ALL OF MY READS at the start of D3 for the purpose of re-examining them.

saving Oats isn't necessarily an alignment indicative play. nor is it enough to make you "confirmed town" once he flipped town. i don't but into confirmed townies too often anyway, it's easy to lose games that way.

i did stuff, you guys just ignored it and/or called me scum for it. story of my life.

No you did not explain your read on Sno. Hapa asked you about it in two posts after you had "explained it".

Why would i as mafia save Oats from being lynched over two lurkers when all of them are town? FT and Slam were lynchbaits this game, i could have just said "you are all fucking stupid, don't lynch Oats, lynch X" instead of claiming Mason with him (something that ensures he will not get lynched).

No you didn't. You gave a read on someone, i questioned i, you said "lololol, okay X is not scum, Y is." I questioned it, you said "lololol, maybe Z is".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:23 GMT
#2667
On September 12 2013 00:19 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: 4) Why did you think Hapa is scum on N3?
5) Why did you think Thrawn is scum on D3-D5?

because he obviously didn't give much of a fuck about actually discerning my alignment. Hapa, as town, should know better than to call me scum when I spout off conspiracy theories

thrawn, like I said many times, just had his activity trail off into uselessness near the end. Also, his about-face of his read on me was fishy and not at all what I would expect from a player who WATCHED ME PLAY SCUM IN GoT, and has played with me many times in the past.

I'm actually confirmed town when I do stuff like accuse people who have a near zero chance of being scum. it's what I do.


But you know this role stuff maybe best in this game. Hapa was CONFIRMED town unless he was scum doctor after debears' flip..

thrawn had, yes. So did you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:31 GMT
#2670
On September 12 2013 00:22 yamato77 wrote:
in fact, I've done nothing to be called scum, really. I'm playing NOTHING like I play mafia. NOTHING.

it's mind-boggling that it gets to the last 12 hours of D5 until you guys stop and think about this. Maybe I was being a dick earlier today, but really, you guys deserved it. and it helped me catch the real mafia between Sn0/Onegu.

I'll be honest with you here. I would have expected a lot more from you in this game if you were town. The things that bother me:
1) You analyzed the voteing patterns. What did you do on D1. Let's look at it; You talk only about marv/Hapa. Then your vote goes onto FT with reasoning "Heads/Tails?". How does ANYONE look worse than you by your own analyses? How can you call anyone scum by their D1 behaviour when you yourself don't take part in any relevant discussion, if you think HApa/marv discussion is relevant, why not push their lynches then? D2; You vote for Hapa. At that time i found the vote reasonable. However, that's all you do. You didn't give a shit about anything, when it's clear Hapa is not gonna get lynched you don't say anything about the current candidates or contribute to the lynch.
3) From there onwards you call the two confirmed townies scum. You call the confirmed scum who the confirmed townies nailed as scum "not sure to be scum". You should know better than this.
4) After that you call all of Thrawn/Sno/Onegu scum, whenever i ask relevant questions about your top scum read you change the candidate (as i pointed out earlier).
5) You leave your vote on marv, the you say "im not auto-lynching Sylencia on D4 (lol)", then you fuck off for 5 days..

Does town!yamato do stuff like this? Yesterday I read 5 games of yours. 2 scum games where you were not killed on D1/D2 and 3 town games where you were alive D3 ->. I don't see similitaries in your town games. I see similitaries in your scumgames.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:40 GMT
#2680
On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote:
Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation.

##VOTE SYLENCIA

Your vote did not go on Sylencia before his fakeclaim. Why are you lying?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:47 GMT
#2685
Did you vote for Sylencia on D1?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:56 GMT
#2689
On September 12 2013 00:52 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you vote for Sylencia on D1?

No, I made the case, then FT came back parked his vote without reason when I had just said if he came back and wouldnt get modkilled my vote would go back on him.

afaik debears made the case on Sylencia that got sheeped, not you.

These are your posts during the time:
On August 31 2013 01:36 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu

I mentioned it before

- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.

I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect.



Meh I understand, I really need to turn my town play around :/. That being said a few quick things before I go in depth.

FT still hasnt came back and is a good lynch canidate. If not him alakaslam should die, its dumb to not lynch him because he replaced in 9~ hours from deadline. The person he replaced was scummy simple as that.

Still havent caught up on the whole syl thing, and while I understand his reasoning I find it odd he hasnt pointed posts out as scummy, he just says im overall scummy. Debears pointed things out and put together a case that made me feel much better about him. Ok doing some deeper reading now.

On August 31 2013 03:34 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 17:16 Sylencia wrote:
Alright, here's my current views:

FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT.

Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart:

On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke.

I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself.


His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter).

More soonish




Says he is ok with a FT lynch here.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:
On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all.


Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on):

- No real direction in his play
- He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering
- Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker.

To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently.

Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing


Gives reasons for voteing me here without point out any posts.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 22:48 Sylencia wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote:
I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.

give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it


Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2?


Again says he is ok with a FT lynch


Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu

I mentioned it before

- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.

I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect.



Now look at the second line of why I am scummy. And I gave reasons for him being a good lynch, ie lurking, his scum meta for calling out rayne. Scy looks like he is just comeimg after me as a easy lynch target without any solid reasons other than sheeping what other people have points out about me. I would be ok with a scy lynch, but for the time being FT needs to die, and alakaslam has done nothing to change my read off of hopeless. I am ok with any of these three lynches.

Your vote is on FT. Your vote stays on FT. After that you unvote FT. Then you say "i need to think about this" and the next post you vote FT again.

How is that your case?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 15:57 GMT
#2690
On September 12 2013 00:54 yamato77 wrote:
Rayn, how do you feel about changing your mind and no-lynching today?

You could be ABSOLUTELY SURE who is mafia based on who gets shot tonight.

Sh.. do not talk about no-lynching. I wanna hear Onegu now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 16:00 GMT
#2692
How much can you hang on?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 16:03 GMT
#2695
Sno are you here?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 16:04 GMT
#2696
On September 12 2013 01:03 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 12 2013 00:52 Onegu wrote:
On September 12 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you vote for Sylencia on D1?

No, I made the case, then FT came back parked his vote without reason when I had just said if he came back and wouldnt get modkilled my vote would go back on him.

afaik debears made the case on Sylencia that got sheeped, not you.

These are your posts during the time:
On August 31 2013 01:36 Onegu wrote:
On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu

I mentioned it before

- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.

I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect.



Meh I understand, I really need to turn my town play around :/. That being said a few quick things before I go in depth.

FT still hasnt came back and is a good lynch canidate. If not him alakaslam should die, its dumb to not lynch him because he replaced in 9~ hours from deadline. The person he replaced was scummy simple as that.

Still havent caught up on the whole syl thing, and while I understand his reasoning I find it odd he hasnt pointed posts out as scummy, he just says im overall scummy. Debears pointed things out and put together a case that made me feel much better about him. Ok doing some deeper reading now.

On August 31 2013 03:34 Onegu wrote:
On August 30 2013 17:16 Sylencia wrote:
Alright, here's my current views:

FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT.

Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart:

On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke.

I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself.


His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter).

More soonish




Says he is ok with a FT lynch here.

On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:
On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all.


Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on):

- No real direction in his play
- He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering
- Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker.

To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently.

Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing


Gives reasons for voteing me here without point out any posts.

On August 30 2013 22:48 Sylencia wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote:
I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.

give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it


Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2?


Again says he is ok with a FT lynch


On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu

I mentioned it before

- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.

I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect.



Now look at the second line of why I am scummy. And I gave reasons for him being a good lynch, ie lurking, his scum meta for calling out rayne. Scy looks like he is just comeimg after me as a easy lynch target without any solid reasons other than sheeping what other people have points out about me. I would be ok with a scy lynch, but for the time being FT needs to die, and alakaslam has done nothing to change my read off of hopeless. I am ok with any of these three lynches.

Your vote is on FT. Your vote stays on FT. After that you unvote FT. Then you say "i need to think about this" and the next post you vote FT again.

How is that your case?


It my case because he attacked me for no reason except the same thing he did. His vote on me was terrible and I called him out for it. Then he was almost lynched it it wasnt for marv and sn0. When I unvoted I was looking at him and slam again to decide where my vote goes, then FT came back. Then I call out syl night 1 day 2 night 2 and day 3 I tunneled him.

Why did you never vote for Sylencia until i called out his fakeclaim if you were sure he was scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 16:07 GMT
#2699
Also show me one post where you talk about Sylencia on N2?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 16:10 GMT
#2700
On September 12 2013 01:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yes I'm here

Yes I still wanna lynch Yam.

I am not sure about it. Actually i am leaning on Ongu heavily.

"I made a case on him D1" != true
"I pushed him D2" != true
"I pushed him N2" != true
"I voted for Sylencia on D3 before his claim" != true

.....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 16:11 GMT
#2701
The only reason he thinks he is town is because of his stance on Sylencia. Everything he says about his stance on Sylencia is false.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 11 2013 16:14 GMT
#2705
On September 12 2013 01:12 Onegu wrote:
Ok it was early day 2. Im trying to go off of memory here. I never once dropped my scum read on him. Night 1 I was busy defending my FT vote.

Then I call out syl night 1 day 2 night 2 and day 3 I tunneled him.

Can you show me one post where you call out Sylencia on N2?
How can you not remember what you have posted? Hell i can do that and i have something like, what... 700 posts. I can also remember what other people post.
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