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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 31 2013 10:38 GMT
#1263
7/9 of my games have had FT in them
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 31 2013 10:40 GMT
#1264
Maybe 6 im trying to remember if he was in my third newbie or not
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 31 2013 10:51 GMT
#1266
On August 31 2013 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you answer the second question?
How are you supposed to know what FT does as mafia compared to town when you have never been in a game where he has been mafia?



Because he never plays town like that, and besides his play in this game. was anti town and scummy, I never said the only reason he should be lynched was because of meta. I dont understand the problem, I pushed the lynch of someone scummy with meta reasons to go along with his play this game
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 31 2013 11:00 GMT
#1269
On August 31 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What? Do you remember what FirmTofu did in GoT?



He had reads in GoT, not just one liners that did nothing. And when he came back in GoT he gave reads and defended himself, nothing like this game.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 31 2013 17:56 GMT
#1286
On September 01 2013 02:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 07:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Look he is so lurker that is not much of a scum tell now I read kppoa

OK I meant koopa.

See this is why I don't like the claim from ONEGU that FT was scummy. What was so scummy please.

I have piss poor reception sorry



Go read my filter slam all of my reasoning is in there, if you want to call those reasons wrong and scummy thats one thing, but when you say you dont like the claim he was scummy but dont know the reasons I called scummy is terrible.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 01 2013 05:05 GMT
#1420
Im here was catching up on my other game first.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 01 2013 05:10 GMT
#1421
But am I reading correct debears was RB and shot?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 01 2013 14:01 GMT
#1454
On August 30 2013 23:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
TBH I'm not sure who is a better vote than Alakaslam right now anyway. I'm willing to lynch oats but I feel like that its more intelligent to leave him around a bit longer, get more info out of him.

Sylencia is another option, although apart from his very early stuff that has been done to bits I don't see what else would incriminate him.

I'm not sure who else is a real candidate. Onegu is playing as I expect him to, which might be unfortunate but really doesn't make me want to lynch him. None of Marv/Hapa/Yam are remotely lynchable at this point. Sciberbia picked it up a ton.

Actually reading Tofu makes me plenty happy to lynch him, although at the same time I really question a scummer posting that lol.

I don't think koopa is a real lynch. If nothing else he's been reasonable to rayn, quite above and beyond the call. Which leaves bears but I once again feel that he deserves at least another day.

TL;DR: I still wanna lynch Alakaslam.

PS: maybe it wasn't clear, but I read most of yesterday and essentially never bothered posting once hapa got going because he was saying pretty much everything I thought about the thread. Only substantially more eloquently.



Sn0 you go from this to.


On August 30 2013 23:54 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 23:50 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

Heads or Tails?

I'm actually getting more interested in taking this approach, mostly to be fair to alakaslam since replacing in as the prime lynch candidate with 8 hours to lynch is horrendously unfair.


This and then back to

On August 31 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well as far as I'm concerned all of a sudden we have too many reasonable lynches lol (aka our votes are spread already :/).

Syl/FT/Alakaslam are all people I'd lynch plus we have a fair portion tunnelled on koopa.

Since not having my vote on anybody makes it a bit harder for consolidation, I'm going to
##Vote: Alakaslam
however I'm currently quite willing to be convinced on any of those 3.



Why did you have the middle post?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 01 2013 14:13 GMT
#1460
On August 31 2013 11:25 Sylencia wrote:
Hey guys, wtf happened in the last 18 pages... There were literally 3 or 4 different wagons going on and they were flipping every hour?

@Tutan, I was saying that before...

Anyways, everyone was complaining that I didn't comment on Hopeless. At the time I was going to read his filter again, he got replaced. I don't even know what to say in that kind of situation. Are we supposed to wait for Slam to comment on the happenings of town? Was I supposed to put down a vote on Alakaslam in the 1 hour the was in the game before I slept because he was being useless and Hopeless wasn't exactly the most townie character in the game? I probably should've actually said that I wasn't going to vote for Slam to see what he said, but I didn't even wake up in time for the deadline T_T.



Not really again you never really pointed anything specific out you just voted me and left. And I dont understand the sentiment that someone being lynched that wagon should just stop because they were replaced.

On August 31 2013 00:39 Sylencia wrote:
Note: I did originally say that FT was decent choice, but Oats is right:

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
no yamato, lets not lynch a lurker, it like never ever works.


I don't really remember a time in any of my games when full lurker ends up being scum.


This is a 180 off the guy who flipped town, and it happened recently in NWM when DI flipped scum, so saying a full on lurker doesnt work, well sometimes it does.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 03:48 GMT
#1531
Hey I habe been thinking about the rayn and debears thing, and its possible one of then IS the SK. SK normally have one shot immune or green to checks and I have seen them have both also. Somfor example scum shoots SK debears who is immune and SK debears shoots Vet rayn. Doesnt this make a bit moe sense then 2 town vets? And since no one has claimed vig yet its more likely a SK or Maf vig. We should know tonight though.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 03:49 GMT
#1532
Ebwop

Have
Them
So for
More

tablet with no spell check
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 03:51 GMT
#1533
Oh I guess rayn would have to be SK then if debears was RB.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 04:36 GMT
#1536
On September 02 2013 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 12:48 Onegu wrote:
Hey I habe been thinking about the rayn and debears thing, and its possible one of then IS the SK. SK normally have one shot immune or green to checks and I have seen them have both also. Somfor example scum shoots SK debears who is immune and SK debears shoots Vet rayn. Doesnt this make a bit moe sense then 2 town vets? And since no one has claimed vig yet its more likely a SK or Maf vig. We should know tonight though.


I suppose that's possible, however I wouldn't risk lynching into either today.

I'm more interested in hearing your scum-reads Onegu. We've heard so little from you this game.



My main two are alakaslam and syl. I liked the case on hopeless then alakaslam has done nothing to change that thought as he has lurked and spammed, and I have made my points on syl and he hasnt responded to them at all. I am leaning town on oats, this is basicly how he has always played as town in the games I have been with him in but its always difficult to get a solid read on him. After the post by yamato that I really liked he has been like the only person to try to figure out your and marvs alignment which makes me lean town on him. That being said everything he has said about you I cant figure out you or marv, null on both of you. Debears I believe and he is the closest thing I have confirmed town I believe his claims and he has played pro town. Rayn is likely SK or town I dont see him flipping scum as he has been playing way out there and he didnt really do that in GoT as scum but made plays like this in NWM as town with fake claims, his vet claim is most likely legit but doesnt mean his alignment. Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. sn0 I would like him to answer the questions I put to him about his alakaslam lynch thoughts. And scib Im not sure going to look at his filter soon.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 04:50 GMT
#1539
On September 02 2013 13:45 Tutankoopa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:
Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him.


Why do our interactions remind me of the awkward silence of public bathrooms? With how I've been talking about you since N1, it seems like you'd have a lot more to say to me than you have. Considering how I've spent most of my time since N1 trying to get you lynched I expect to see some emotion from you, maybe anger or annoyance. You say you're null on me. What are you currently doing to figure out my alignment?



First I dont get angry in these games much as either alignment, and I thought I posted a bunch on your case against me in our back in forth and then you dropped it not me. And I am going to go everyones filter today and update my reads. I just finished up with my kids so I am starting now with the filter diving.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 06:01 GMT
#1549
On September 02 2013 13:59 Tutankoopa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:45 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:
Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him.


Why do our interactions remind me of the awkward silence of public bathrooms? With how I've been talking about you since N1, it seems like you'd have a lot more to say to me than you have. Considering how I've spent most of my time since N1 trying to get you lynched I expect to see some emotion from you, maybe anger or annoyance. You say you're null on me. What are you currently doing to figure out my alignment?



First I dont get angry in these games much as either alignment, and I thought I posted a bunch on your case against me in our back in forth and then you dropped it not me. And I am going to go everyones filter today and update my reads. I just finished up with my kids so I am starting now with the filter diving.


Yeah we talked about it, but I reached a point where I had to either accept that you thought FT was likely mafia, or decide I don't believe you. I don't believe you, so I don't know if that line of inquiry is still productive. Right now I am most interested in your read on me, specifically how it's changed from the very start of N1 until now.



You mean day 1 I didnt call you town n1, and the reason you became null to me is because your case against me was based on something that I dont really consider a scumtell. And it makes me wonder why you are pushing my lynch on something that isnt really a scumtell. But I more interested in lynching people who just basicly sheeped your case on me, alakaslam and syl. Rayn as sk but he isnt a priority now.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 06:15 GMT
#1552
On September 02 2013 15:08 Tutankoopa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 15:01 Onegu wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:59 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:45 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:
Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him.


Why do our interactions remind me of the awkward silence of public bathrooms? With how I've been talking about you since N1, it seems like you'd have a lot more to say to me than you have. Considering how I've spent most of my time since N1 trying to get you lynched I expect to see some emotion from you, maybe anger or annoyance. You say you're null on me. What are you currently doing to figure out my alignment?



First I dont get angry in these games much as either alignment, and I thought I posted a bunch on your case against me in our back in forth and then you dropped it not me. And I am going to go everyones filter today and update my reads. I just finished up with my kids so I am starting now with the filter diving.


Yeah we talked about it, but I reached a point where I had to either accept that you thought FT was likely mafia, or decide I don't believe you. I don't believe you, so I don't know if that line of inquiry is still productive. Right now I am most interested in your read on me, specifically how it's changed from the very start of N1 until now.



You mean day 1 I didnt call you town n1, and the reason you became null to me is because your case against me was based on something that I dont really consider a scumtell. And it makes me wonder why you are pushing my lynch on something that isnt really a scumtell. But I more interested in lynching people who just basicly sheeped your case on me, alakaslam and syl. Rayn as sk but he isnt a priority now.


What I'm look for is basically a transcript of your brain's inner monologue while you were reading my case against you. Simple saying that it made you read me as "null" is so boring...


Ok again you used a case against me that isnt a scum tell, while its not scummy it def not towny therefore null.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 06:19 GMT
#1553
Again I think it is scummy for the people to sheep that case without adding anything. Slam and syl.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 14:24 GMT
#1590
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu


TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?

As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?

Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either..

That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu?



Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta.

The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 14:27 GMT
#1592
Oh and sorry had a small family emergency that I just got back from the hospital, my son pulled out his g-tube and we had just used his replacement, but Im here now and working on figureing the game out.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 02 2013 18:30 GMT
#1637
On September 02 2013 17:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 17:35 sciberbia wrote:
@alakaslam
Yamato looks like scum to me because
  • he's hardly ever in the thread and has a much lower thread-presence than he normally does as townmetaspeak ignored
  • he doesn't do a lot of scumhunting or give out a lot of reads neither do I and he actually has so I should have your vote
  • he is wishy/washy on many of the reads that he does give out I will roll scum every game to you then
  • he called hapa & marv scum but then backed off for no good reason k, taken out of context is probably why I didn't see this as the case
  • he doesn't look very interested in helping town find good lynches I am very interested in doing so, I look wholly uninterested
  • he admits to being useless but still acts disturbed that hapa thinks he's scum ........... Are you scum. If this why do you even talk to me you should just vote me now. Most of these things that make Yamato scum I have done en macro.


But I'd be more interested in hearing your thoughts on other people than further thoughts on yamato. I'd love it if you could find someone you think is scummy. it will so likely be wrong that why will it matter? I will still try but it's going to fail.

Thanks for the follow-up explanation by the way. That was more helpful.


Anytime.

Seriously though, if these are Yamato reasons there is double standard at work. And I did find someone I thought was scummy, two actually, and bam! I find my own WIFOM in it all.


On September 02 2013 17:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 29 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine.

Could you be more specific because i really do not understand?

Picking a day 1 lynch by process of elimination is horrible.

+1

On September 02 2013 17:53 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
no yamato, lets not lynch a lurker, it like never ever works.

+like 5



So you randomly give out these numners, you give no reason why you are giving them, what they mean, or why its important.


Add this in to what hopeless was doing and was scummy as hell, plus you avoiding makeing serious reads.

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